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OpenOffice.org To Be Given Back To the Community

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the that's-what-it's-all-about dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Oracle has stated they will give back the OpenOffice.org productivity suite to the community. Edward Screven, Oracle's Chief Corporate Architect, said the company intends upon 'working immediately with community members to further the continued success of Open Office.' Because there was a 'breadth of interest in free personal productivity applications,' the company believes the OpenOffice.org project would be 'best managed by an organization focused on serving that broad constituency on a non-commercial basis.'"

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Forsks work aren't they (-1, Troll)

slasushi (2042356) | about 3 years ago | (#35832286)

Its really is time to fork Gnome [tinyurl.com] Join the effor!

Re:Forsks work aren't they (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832326)

Sad thing is, that's actually more feature-complete than Gnome.

Re:Forsks work aren't they (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832332)

link to js that takes over your browser

Re:Forsks work aren't they (1, Interesting)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35832338)

Its really is time to fork Gnome [tinyurl.com]
Join the effor!

Could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...

Re:Forsks work aren't they (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832448)

Could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...

Could? Sure. Should? Every GNAA post would be linking to the BBC or Google or Slashdot itself just to get them blacklisted. Some sort of manually put together blacklist would be feasible for sites that do actual damage (but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you)

RE:Goatse (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832522)

but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you

Are you sure about that? Some people may have been scarred for life.

Re:Goatse (3, Funny)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35832792)

but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you

Are you sure about that? Some people may have been scarred for life.

A -1 goatse mod would be a start.. but nooooo change is bad unless it slows down the site or is shiny...

Re:Goatse (1)

sleepy_weasel (839947) | about 3 years ago | (#35833128)

... or you don't allow AC to post links... that'd be the easiest.

Re:Goatse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833228)

... or you don't allow AC to post links... that'd be the easiest.

I guess it would be easy but how it would it help? As far as I can see goatse links are usually posted under user names. Certainly the one that started ths thread was.

Re:Forsks work aren't they (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35832768)

Could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...

Could? Sure. Should? Every GNAA post would be linking to the BBC or Google or Slashdot itself just to get them blacklisted. Some sort of manually put together blacklist would be feasible for sites that do actual damage (but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you)

I think you give the fucktards too much credit. Firstly it wouldn't have to prevent a user from clicking it, maybe just a friendly warning. Second why do we, the "tech coward" ever need to link using tinyurl.com. Thirdly I think it could be done in a way that would avoid the problem you note.

Honestly it would make a fun project that could be marketed to other forums... Yes Slashdot overlords you could get a larger bonus this year if you force your tech slaves to get on this... I assure you we are talking 7 figure profits here...

Re:Forsks work aren't they (3, Insightful)

Anon-Admin (443764) | about 3 years ago | (#35832804)

You dont have to blacklist the URL. Just strip all url's from any post tagged as TROLL. Should take care of the issue.

Re:Forsks work aren't they (2)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35832932)

You dont have to blacklist the URL. Just strip all url's from any post tagged as TROLL.

Should take care of the issue.

Agreed, I like my -1 Goatse mod idea but your idea would work.. How about instead of stripping the link totally it just strips the html link bit out and leaves the text so if someone wants to see a gaping hole they still can manually copy/paste.

Translation: They couldn't "monetize" it. (4, Funny)

mmell (832646) | about 3 years ago | (#35832306)

Can't make money off it? It isn't competing with something we already offer? Get rid of it!

Oh, and could somebody ban "slashushi"? Some troll out there is generating slashdot ID's just to post pictures of himself.

Re:Translation: They couldn't "monetize" it. (4, Interesting)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 3 years ago | (#35832476)

I suspect the mass brain drain of former Sun employees has a lot to do with it as well. It's hard to support your customers if everybody who knows how to support it has left the building. This just might be an olive branch to keep some of the talent from flying the coop long enough to get new blood up to speed.

Re:Translation: They couldn't "monetize" it. (2, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 3 years ago | (#35833426)

I think oracle deserves some credit for this decision. They looked at their core mission, they looked at their resources, and discovered they had a product that was not a good fit. In the case of Sun, openoffice.org was a small part of a solution for the desktop. For Oracle it was not. It was an asset that may or may not be worth something. It could have helped out the Java asset. It did not. So they let it go. They could have made an attempt to make money off it, and let the brand flounder and die. They did not. I think Oracle, unlike some tech companies, does not just randomly try things and let's products die, to customer detriment, when something does not work. They are pros. They have customers that us openoffice.org, that use the brand to give them some protection, and this gift was for them.

Re:Translation: They couldn't "monetize" it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832516)

Guess it's over, call it a day
Sorry that it had to end this way
No reason to pretend
We knew it had to end someday
This way

Guess it's over, the kids are gone
What's the use of trying to hang on
Somewhere we lost the key
So little left for you and me
And it's clear to see

Too much, too little, too late to lie again with you
Too much, too little, too late to try again with you
We're in the middle of ending something that we knew
Was over {Oh, it was over}

Too much, too little, too late to ever try again
Too much, too little, too late, let's end at being friends
Too much, too little, too late, we knew it had to end
And it's over

let me translte for ya (5, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | about 3 years ago | (#35832584)

Actually, more like "wah! guys! please come back! we promise we won't spite the community!"

This doesn't mean shit unless they change the bylaws [groklaw.net] which give oracle complete control over openoffice with the ability to nullify the community basically.

Re:let me translte for ya (2, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 3 years ago | (#35832812)

Why would they need "the community" when most of the actual paid developers are still at Oracle. The people who left were mostly auxiliary people who were easily replaceable.

Re:let me translte for ya (5, Interesting)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 3 years ago | (#35833004)

If what you say is true. Then why is LibreOffice already so much better than OpenOffice ever was?

Re:let me translte for ya (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833208)

Not exactly a high bar to jump, is it?

Re:Translation: They couldn't "monetize" it. (2, Insightful)

Asic Eng (193332) | about 3 years ago | (#35832614)

Be that as it may: that's good news. OpenOffice is a well established (and well chosen) name it will be good to have it back for the OSS community.

Re:Translation: They couldn't "monetize" it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833550)

You know what? Fuck you. People like you will never be satisfied.

Read between the lines (4, Interesting)

broknstrngz (1616893) | about 3 years ago | (#35832314)

It actually says: the code is a mess and we don't have any customers that would even remotely consider using it. So there, have it back and get off our lawn.

Re:Read between the lines (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832920)

It actually says: the code is a mess and we don't have any customers that would even remotely consider *PURCHASING* it. So there, have it back and get off our lawn.

FTFY.

Re:Read between the lines (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832990)

More truth here than will ever be known.

Re:Read between the lines (4, Informative)

jd (1658) | about 3 years ago | (#35833474)

I suspect it's more a "what do we do with a brand name with a collapsing value and no product?"

Forks work, aren't they? (-1, Offtopic)

slashboot (2042376) | about 3 years ago | (#35832342)

Its really is time to fork Gnome [tinyurl.com] Join the effor!

Re:Forks work, aren't they? (0)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35832388)

Its really is time to fork Gnome [tinyurl.com] Join the effor!

Once again could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...

Re:Forks work, aren't they? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832458)

Hmmm. Interesting. I've already joined, sir. Thank you very much.

Outcry (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 3 years ago | (#35832350)

Too much outcry from the community? Wasn't worth it after LibreOffice? (despite the stupid name?)

Re:Outcry (5, Interesting)

Luyseyal (3154) | about 3 years ago | (#35832628)

Heh, no kidding. Every time I see it in dselect (shut up, I'm old), I think "What's lib reoffice, oh wait, that's libre office".

-l

IT'S A TRAP!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832354)

Anyone who would actually use an Oracle product in the workplace should have their head examined.

I've never seen a company with such a lawsuit happy hostility for everyone other than themselves.

Stay away from Oracle and Java if you don't want to get sued.

Re:IT'S A TRAP!! (1)

Gerzel (240421) | about 3 years ago | (#35833646)

The people actually using those products often are not the people choosing those products for use.

LibreJava (2)

GeneralSecretary (1959616) | about 3 years ago | (#35832374)

Cool, let's try this with Java. LibreJava anyone?

Re:LibreJava (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833710)

Why not instead just let that script kiddie crap die? Then there will be less crapping programmers in the world who think they are 'leet because they can code-by-number.

Forks work, aren't they (-1, Troll)

slashmicro (2042382) | about 3 years ago | (#35832426)

Its is really time to fork Gnome! [goo.gl] . Join the effor!

Re:Forks work, aren't they (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832450)

Its is really time to fork Gnome! [goo.gl] . Join the effor!

fuck you.

Re:Forks work, aren't they (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832452)

Time to go to bed, kiddo.

Too late Oracle Bye Bye (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832464)

I have already uninstalled and deployed LibreOffice across our 500 client org.

I will not keep bouncing about.

We now fully back LibreOffice and will continue to do so. We will not backtrack back to OO until the next time Oracle change their mind.

Bye Bye Oracle.

LPOD not entirely Evil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832500)

They could have done much worse. Letting it go is a noble act that we should celebrate

Re:LPOD not entirely Evil! (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 3 years ago | (#35833046)

Given the number of companies that take the stance "This is ours, and better it completely disappear than anyone use it without paying us.", this is a good gesture on their part.

The OpenOffice name/brand (5, Interesting)

Bloodwine77 (913355) | about 3 years ago | (#35832508)

Does it mean we can rename LibreOffice to OpenOffice now? Or are the two forks going to continue separate lines of development?

Re:The OpenOffice name/brand (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832624)

Yeah; are they going to donate the OpenOffice.org trademark to the Document Foundation so it can rename (and merge any code that OOo might have written, although I'm of the impression that literally all development of note has taken place on LibreOffice since the fork)?

Re:The OpenOffice name/brand (0)

Haedrian (1676506) | about 3 years ago | (#35832660)

Actually given that the name is

"OpenOffice.org" ... I think I prefer LibreOffice...

Please, let's keep LibreOffice brand (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832930)

Even if Oracle gives OO.org brand to the comunnity, I think it's a great opportunity to stick with LibreOffice and leave behind all karma associated with the OpenOffice age.

Re:Please, let's keep LibreOffice brand (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 3 years ago | (#35833378)

The ODF could use the opportunity to make both brands available. That way they can use the momentum of OO.org and the freshness of LO. They can put the current name on some configuration file somewhere, and distribute the rest of the code unchanged.

give it away, give it away now. (1)

Roskolnikov (68772) | about 3 years ago | (#35832556)

This is how Oracle supports open source? we don't/won't pay to support it so we 'give' it back to the community.

Given the options this is the lessor of two evils, they could have let it die internally.

Re:give it away, give it away now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833308)

This just lets them paint a pretty pink rose on the stink of their unwillingness to join the community.

I'll take it. Let them be and make Open/Libre Office kick butt!

hah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832570)

Libreoffice is really starting to get a foothold and a large protion of developers have fled to little to late oracle!

Oracle Lost (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832610)

They are trying to take the Document Foundation and Libre Office brands now.

Do not fall for Oracle's scam. Back LibreOffice and the Document Foundation.

Show Oracle how we play the game. Kill Oracle Open Office by not using it.

Let them keep their oO.o fork (2)

symbolset (646467) | about 3 years ago | (#35832826)

It is a trap, a trick to try and salvage some tiny remnant of influence now that they've lost control of the mindshare and developers.

Re:Oracle Lost (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 3 years ago | (#35832864)

Actually AC, we can put a Gamer mentality on it. We can use both, and note here and there where the two programs don't render the same to watch out for MS style rendering tricks. Then treat it like it is "on loan". Slurp the good code out of it and include it into LibreOffice (if it hasn't already) before they take it away again.

Re:Oracle Lost (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 3 years ago | (#35833850)

And otherwise, wait and observe which form the "give it back" takes. If Oracle does something that is not easily reversed, like giving the Open Office trademark to an independent foundation, we may assume they are sincere. If they only make promises without substance, stay wary.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832680)

Microsoft announced they are giving Windows Vista to the Ubuntu Foundation.

LibreOffice has better icons (5, Informative)

Zandamesh (1689334) | about 3 years ago | (#35832692)

The first thing I though when I installed it was: woah, these icons look awesome!

Re:LibreOffice has better icons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832806)

LiberOffice HAS A CRAPPY NAME!
Moreover, PDF export crashes the program all the time.

Re:LibreOffice has better icons (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 3 years ago | (#35833064)

Really, never had that happen to me with OpenOffice *or* LibreOffice. And I ran both on XP, Ubuntu and Arch Linux. Biggest difference I've seen is a VAST improvement of .doc compatibility.

Re:LibreOffice has better icons (1)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | about 3 years ago | (#35833038)

I don't like the LibreOffice application icon. It looks too much like a generic document.

NEWS FLASH: NO MONEY WHEN YOU GIVE IT AWAY !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832754)

If you give it away, they may come, but they don't even leave tips, donchano !!

And besides, multi-biillion dollar company and that stinker just doesn't sit well with the money grubbers.

"Prank" Window (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35832840)

Anybody else get hit with a "prank" window that jumps around the screen when you clicked on a link put up by ae1294 on this post? I got the window closed, and everything looks fine, now, but I'm wondering if it dumped some sort of virus into my system. I've flushed my browser cache and history already.

I'm a fairly casual tech guy, and I know some of you have more expertise, so thats why I'm asking.

Re:"Prank" Window (2)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 3 years ago | (#35833122)

Here's the page source.

Wouldn't this be like a vulnerability? Doesn't seem to work on Opera though.

var yBase = screen.width / 2;
var xBase = screen.height / 2;
var delay = 10;
var step = .2;
var currStep = 0;
var Xpos = screen.width / 4;
var Ypos = screen.height / 2;
var j=0;

function start() {
        window.resizeTo(500,500);

        movew0w();

}

function movew0w() {
        for ( j = 0 ; j

The above fine work of art is © the Goatse guy.
Thanks to goatse.ru [goatse.ru] for hosting it.

setTimeout("start()", 1000);

Woah (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 3 years ago | (#35832846)

Who are you, and what have you done with Oracle?

Re:Woah (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 3 years ago | (#35833396)

No, no problem about what you made to Oracle. We just stopped you to tell the address of Congress; it's over there.

Re:Woah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833608)

Okay Larry. Step back.

pffffffft (1)

ItsLenny (1132387) | about 3 years ago | (#35832922)

I for one would NEVER donate money to oracle (open office) .. but I'd gladly donate to The Document Foundation to use libre ... Seriously screw oracle everyone should use Libre and never look back. I don't care which one has a better name OSS community should have no question about which to embrace.

A no win Battle (5, Interesting)

TrueSatan (1709878) | about 3 years ago | (#35833092)

Oracle (and Sun before them) were, prior to the fork that created LibreOffice, able to prevent the additional features that were in their commercial Ooo derivative from being added to Ooo itself and thus had a product that they could monetise. Novel sponsored GoOo and that then offered code Sun (and then Oracle) would not allow into Ooo (mostly to "protect" those additional, commercial derivative only, features) and this was what first put the skids on Oracle's continuing support of Ooo. Once LibreOffice merged the GoOo code into their Ooo fork there was no real point in Oracle attempting to sustain hope for their commercial derivative...it has simply taken them a while to acknowledge its demise. As there's now no money in it for them their "handing to the community" of Ooo means little and may well come with the existing bylaws of Ooo that will preclude a merger with the Libreoffice fork. Out of spite alone (WaaaaaI If I can't play with my ball I'll take it away so nobody can play with it.) I can't see them making a merger of the two into a possibility.

Re:A no win Battle (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 years ago | (#35833328)

In that case OO.org will simply disappear into obscurity. Sure, for a while name recognition will keep in going, but in the end it's toast. I've got some other big projects on the fly, but likely in June I'll be moving the thirty workstations we have running OO.org over to LibreOffice, mainly for OOXML support (though it's still far from perfect). Once we're down that path, there's no way in hell I'm going to move back to OO.org, even if they roll in the GoOo features, simply because I've got better things to do. So if OO.org is serious about keeping guys like me on, they'd better roll in those changes damned fast.

Someone at Oracle just had an "oh crap" moment (3, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 3 years ago | (#35833190)

And this is how it got expressed. LibreOffice people, just keep doing your thing. You don't need corporate control.

Clingy Ex-Husband (5, Funny)

dcollins (135727) | about 3 years ago | (#35833354)

Yeah, it feels like a clingy, manipulative ex-husband. "This time I'll change", etc., etc.

and a couple stories down about a Trojan Horse (1)

Locutus (9039) | about 3 years ago | (#35833362)

maybe it's just a coincidence but given how Oracle has acted in the past, we should all be wondering what gives with the turn around.
Maybe there's a patent or two they are holding behind their backs which have recently obtained from Novell. boo!

LoB

Keep LibreOffice (1)

bragr (1612015) | about 3 years ago | (#35833384)

I actually like the name LibreOffice a lot better than OpenOffice.org, which I have always thought was kinda silly. I'm hoping the document foundation keeps the new name.

Sounds like .... (1)

DaMattster (977781) | about 3 years ago | (#35833718)

corporate-speak bullshit. In actuality, I'll bet Oracle was more concerned about the public image damage by trying to wreck a community's efforts at developing an open source productivity suit. Also, Oracle could have been concerned about running afoul of the GPL license. They certainly took a lot of flack from the community over this one including some high level software engineer defectors. I think we would have a lot more respect for Oracle if they were to come out and simply say, "We made a mistake. Openoffice belongs with community." Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, et al. have a very pschitzophrenic, love/hate relationship with open source. They like having the ability to tap the vast resources of the community for developement but hate being undercut by a free product. This is why, depending upon the day, they are either praising or seeking to screw open source. It just depends on the motivation and whether or not the particular open source product is helping or hindering.

MySQL??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35833866)

MySQL?..... MySQL?......... Did I just hear some distant crickets? They didn't include MySQL when they 'Freed' OpenOffice.org? But why oh why not? Could it be... .could it be that they.... could it be that they ... *want* to continue monetizing MySQL, or at least keep it out of the marketplace or restrict it in the marketplace so that people wanting online dynamic web servers powered by a database in the backend.... be required to use a teensy more expensive option than MySQL.... like postgresSQL, or msql, or mssql, or..... or..... or oracle? NO!, thats not it, no no no no no! .......yes.

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