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Jesse Jackson, Jr. Pins US Job Losses On iPad

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the protectionism-as-religious-talisman dept.

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theodp writes "Illinois Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. went on an anti-technology rant on Friday on the floor of Congress, blaming the iPad for eliminating thousands of American jobs. 'Why do you need to go to Borders anymore?' asked Jackson. 'Why do you need to go to Barnes & Noble? Buy an iPad, download your book, download your newspaper, download your magazine.' Jackson continued: 'What becomes of publishing companies and publishing company jobs? And what becomes of bookstores and librarians and all of the jobs associated with paper? Well, in the not too distant future, such jobs simply will not exist. Steve Jobs is doing pretty well. He's created the iPad. Certainly, it has made life more efficient for Americans, but the iPad is produced in China. It is not produced here in the United States."

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I'm sorry Mr. Jackson (4, Informative)

Cryacin (657549) | about 3 years ago | (#35844758)

But are you for real?

Talk about a load of xenophobe/technophobe nonsense! The trouble is not the technology, but rather that the good old US of A loves importing deflation and writing bad checks. Much easier to have a dumb populace of consumers who spend money they don't have, and then import deflation to counter it and blame a random fad technology than get to the actual issue.

Re:I'm sorry Mr. Jackson (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844812)

The black "elite" are significantly more racist than the people they claim to despise.

Indeed the tension between white and black is nothing compared to the outright disgust the chinese show for the black community.

Re:I'm sorry Mr. Jackson (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | about 3 years ago | (#35845104)

The black "elite" are significantly more racist than the people they claim to despise.

Not O.J. Simpson. He married a white woman, for Christ's sake.

Those of us who work in the electronics(just about everybody) and healthcare(doctors and pharmacists) know as fact that it's all Asians who despise Black people. They claim that it is because black people are criminals and that black co-workers have bad work ethics, but the Asian prejudice is much more primal. Asians are the most physically dissimilar to Africans. There's a reason why Black-Korean tensions were a literal bullet point in the midst of the Los Angeles riots.

Though if I got to choose how the breakroom would stink when I walked in to eat, I'd much rather have it smell like fried chicken than kim chee and fish heads wrapped in banana leaves.

Even more strange (5, Informative)

alvinrod (889928) | about 3 years ago | (#35844824)

Even more strange. Just last month he wanted to amend the constitution and give an iPad or similar device to every kid in school in the country [thehill.com] . Wonder what made him change his mind.

Re:Even more strange (5, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 3 years ago | (#35844870)

He's a politician, he says what benefits him the most in that moment.

But his complaints are not totally without merit.

If he were smarter his point would be that all jobs have life cycles, and we need to develop and innovate so that we can place people in jobs that are ahead of the curve instead of behind.

It's like everyone clammoring to bail out GM and save a bunch of low skill jobs that are going nowhere but overseas in the future anyway. It's a losing battle with the wrong objective.

But from the left, his policies are reactive rather than proactive. Proactive would be getting out in front and stopping things that stifle innovation, like hostile business environments. Instead, he wants us (if he could expand, I'd wager) to outlaw things and restrict things and tariff things after the fact.

Should we want to be one step ahead, or one step behind?

Re:Even more strange (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845048)

The same thing that made Hillary Clinton shut up about "big pharma" and the same thing which will make the Goldman Sachs rhetoric disappear in 5 years. Politicians manufacture fake outrage in order to hassle a pay off. Once they've been paid off, they shut up. In this case he is probably looking to have both a carrot and a stick to "encourage" Apple and Apple employees to pay him off. The carrot is the government buying IPads and handing them out for free. The carrot is something he'll think of in the future in order to demonize Apple and make their life uncomfortable. They'll do it long enough and strong enough until they are paid off. Then they'll shut up. Oh, and why Apple this time around? It's where the money is at the moment.

Re:I'm sorry Mr. Jackson (3, Interesting)

immaterial (1520413) | about 3 years ago | (#35844842)

He's not wrong (about the US losing jobs part). Using the magic of economies of scale and increased efficiency, big internet companies are gobbling up the chain stores in almost the exact same way the chain stores gobbled up the truly local competition. I can't say I feel bad for the chain stores, but JJJr is right in that it will present a difficult challenge to the country once tens of millions of local "middleman" (sales) jobs and businesses are consolidated down to a few thousand each in two or three 50-square-mile warehouses in the desert somewhere.

Re:I'm sorry Mr. Jackson (0)

countertrolling (1585477) | about 3 years ago | (#35844844)

...blame a random fad technology than get to the actual issue.

Well... yeah.. That's supposed to be the idea, isn't it?

Now, if he were to complain about the price...

Re:I'm sorry Mr. Jackson (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about 3 years ago | (#35845118)

"There has grown in the minds of certain groups in this country the idea that just because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with guaranteeing such a profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is supported by neither statute or common law. Neither corporations or individuals have the right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back." - Heinlein, Life Line, 1939

(Actually read that story yesterday. On real paper.)

could it be true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844762)

newspapers started failing a while back

He's right (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844764)

You know what else, those horse and buggy salesmen suffered the same fate when the automobile came out. Be warned!!!

Print media is going nowhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844768)

In fact, I find the advent of digital distribution for popular titles exciting.

It means my bookstore might actually start using their floorspace for more intellectual or niche books. Perhaps bigger sections for the less-popular genres.

I don't think I've seen a single new art book in my Barnes & Nobles for 3 years. I'm not kidding. If there is one, it is overstock that gets put in the clearance section near the front. The majority of the store is now a pastiche of what casual readers look for.

Serious readers have tons of cash they are willing to dump on books that appeal to them, but big chains for a long time have been telling them to look online or buy used online instead of browse their tired, repetitive, and narrow selection.

Re:Print media is going nowhere (2)

Anrego (830717) | about 3 years ago | (#35844880)

Probably more likely they'll just go out of business.

Unless you live in a huge area, you and your "serious reader" friends probably don't represent enough business to keep them afloat.

Re:Print media is going nowhere (3, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 3 years ago | (#35845018)

I think it's more likely that the bookstores will downsize or close. Retail shelf space has a cost, and they need a certain amount of turnover to pay that cost, going down the tail isn't going to help when you have a very limited amount of space. You need a lot of niche market spending to make up for the loss mass market volume, it's not impossible, but it is hard.

Jobs != economy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844770)

An increase or decrease in the number of jobs is one factor of how strong an economy is, but it is not by any means the only factor. Eliminating unnecessary jobs is beneficial to the economy in the long run, even if it is unpleasant for those who lose theirs.

Blacksmiths and coopers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844774)

How often do you see job vacancies for blacksmiths and coopers? As one door closes another opens.

Re:Blacksmiths and coopers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844892)

There are still jobs for blacksmiths, coopers, farriers (shoes on horses) but not in the quantities there used to be.

Re:Blacksmiths and coopers (1)

inventorM (1872970) | about 3 years ago | (#35844918)

The technologies that "replaced" blacksmiths has allowed them to take a time that blacksmiths used to spend making mundane things like hinges and nails, and spend that time making beautiful wrought iron fences, for example.

Re:Blacksmiths and coopers (1)

QuantumLeaper (607189) | about 3 years ago | (#35845030)

Yep, door close on nice paying manufacturing job and another one opens down the street at MC Donalds.... Real 'high' paying jobs (sarcasm).

Why go to Barnes & Noble (4, Insightful)

Zaphod The 42nd (1205578) | about 3 years ago | (#35844784)

Where are you going to buy the e-books for your iPad? They don't come from thin air, and the iPad doesn't write articles itself. Just because we've moved from brick-and-mortar distribution to digital distribution doesn't mean ANY jobs were lost, they were just MOVED.

Seriously, this made me sick to read. Rep. Jackson needs to keep his mouth shut on subjects he knows nothing about.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1, Flamebait)

gmhowell (26755) | about 3 years ago | (#35844846)

Rep. Jackson needs to keep his mouth shut on subjects he knows nothing about.

Opining on things he knows nothing about worked wonders for his father. And it has gotten junior into the US House. Seems to work for them.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844884)

Where are you going to buy the e-books for your iPad? They don't come from thin air, and the iPad doesn't write articles itself.

Duh. They had to save something for the iPad 3.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 3 years ago | (#35844890)

Sorry, but you're the one who knows nothing about the subject. Jobs weren't lost, just moved? Yeah, to China maybe. What are you gonna tell all the people who worked at Borders? That they should relocate to Taiwan and work on the iPad assembly line? You're saying something about "Where are you going to buy e-books... we've moved from brick-and-mortar distribution to digital". Do you really think that Amazon's ebook store requires even 10% of the staff that Border's employed? If so, then you truly know nothing about the subject.

Look, I'm big on technology. I fully understand and appreciate the benefits it has for society. But pretending there are no costs is stupid, and insulting to those people who are suffering the costs.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844944)

Is working in a bookstore a special skill? Why can't these people get any other job in retail?

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845016)

I saw someone post a comment similar to yours on a Microsoft blog. Earlier someone had said they wished for Microsoft to collapse. In response, the person wrote "Really? They employ over 88,000 people." He was asking us to think of the workers. /fail

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 3 years ago | (#35844946)

B&N have the Nook, even they see the writing on the wall. As for printed vs digital, people still read books. People just don't buy as much retail.

In Australia, several of our major bookstores too face downscaling or closure. Recently I've attended a couple of fire-sales offering 30-50% off. The books that remain? Stuff that has been sitting on the shelves at full price for several years. Even at half price, material that's 4 years out of date ain't worth it.

Amazon killed the chain store, not the iPad.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1)

ncgnu08 (1307339) | about 3 years ago | (#35845006)

Some people prefer "real" books compared to e-books. /. had an article not too long ago about how we retain information better from "real" books, and read faster too. Then you have the feel and smell as well. Maybe not for everyone, but they will not go away completely.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844990)

Consider making the slashdot knee-jerk reply aside for a moment and think about what efficiency is all about.

  Generally speaking, automation reduces human labor, creating more wealth, to the capital owners mostly.

  This is obvious in industries like mining, agriculture & manufacturing since the industrial revolution. But for the most part, this issue was dealt with by business owners, as consumers were not aware of how the goods they purchased were obtained, either by an army of people or by a few machines. People still purchased in brick and mortar stores and were served by other people.

  What the digital age has brought, is a new level of automation in which consumers themselves are part of the automated supply chain.It's the retail industry's turn for automation and the inherent reduction in labor it brings.

  Face it, this is how our system works. As new technologies are developed, in gross figures, less labor is needed.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 3 years ago | (#35845028)

Just because we've moved from brick-and-mortar distribution to digital distribution doesn't mean ANY jobs were lost, they were just MOVED.

Uhh... moved where?
The number of people required to run a datacenter 24/7 is a fraction of those required to run a bookstore, much less the supply chain that feeds the bookstore.

The bookstore industry is facing a serious contraction/consolidation.
They aren't going away, but there won't be as many bookstores around.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845060)

Moved where?

You buy eBooks online. Retail jobs are eliminated because of that. The publishing house jobs he is probably talking about have to do with the physical production of books and newspapers. These jobs are also eliminated by digital distribution. The executives, editors, authors and journalists are still there, but they were always there in addition to the retail, productions and transportation jobs that have now been eliminated.

I do not think he was arguing against technology, he was highlighting that local jobs in retail and production have been eliminated and that is completely true. They are being replaced by a device that is not even produced in the USA.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845098)

"Just because we've moved from brick-and-mortar distribution to digital distribution doesn't mean ANY jobs were lost" Nice attempt at a troll but I'll bite. Clearly jobs have been lost when you move to a more efficient means of distribution and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Not that I'm complaining, I purchase all my books from Amazon now.

Re:Why go to Barnes & Noble (1)

Crypto Gnome (651401) | about 3 years ago | (#35845136)


This retarded politician is attempting to treat the symptoms of a problem while ignoring the actual root cause.

Rather ask WHY is it more commercially viable for American companies to actually produce *almost everything* in {some random foreign country}.

THAT is the root cause of "american jobs disappearing".

The iPAD is just the current POP Culture ICON he has attached his rant to, he deserves to be taken out the back and summarily fired from his position, clearly he is totally incompetent and 100% self-serving.

Mark Twain said it best. (4, Informative)

jcr (53032) | about 3 years ago | (#35844786)

"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain.


Evolve or get out of the way (4, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 3 years ago | (#35844796)

I've worked in the publishing industry. I have no sympathy for people who are holding on to the past with both hands, fiercely fighting for things to not change. Things change over time. Adapt. Evolve. Move forward. If you fail to do so, you'll be left behind and forgotten. Blaming the iPad or the internet or anything of the sort is foolish. Times change - find the new marketable product (hint: it's probably digital), make that, and profit.

Evolve or get out of the way for those who are willing to move into the future.

Re:Evolve or get out of the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844836)

I have no problems with time (or business models) changing. But when it comes to e-books and e-readers....well....you can have my paperback novel when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Re:Evolve or get out of the way (2)

geekd (14774) | about 3 years ago | (#35844912)

To me, the HUGE advantage of an e-reader is this:

You just finished Book One in a trilogy. It's only 9:30pm, you can read for another hour or so before bedtime. If you are reading on a an e-reader, you can be reading Book Two in about 90 seconds. If not, well, good luck finding a bookstore open at 9:30pm.

Re:Evolve or get out of the way (2)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 3 years ago | (#35844920)

I don't think the adage applies the same way to the demand side, but rather, it really applies most to the supply side. If the demand changes, the supply must adjust. As long as the demand for paper can be met profitably, then it will remain. Only when the demand can't be met profitably, would the demand side must adjust, either by not having new product in the form they want, or by accepting the new technology. I don't think you have anything to be worried about for a long time, I expect printed novels to hang on a lot longer than printed textbooks, reference and periodicals.

Not anti-tech necessarily (5, Insightful)

orkysoft (93727) | about 3 years ago | (#35844800)

His rant can also be interpreted as against globalization instead of against technology. All the people who will become lose their jobs now that more and more brick-and-mortar stores are being obsoleted by websites, they're not getting jobs in electronics factories, since the electronic devices are almost all made in low-wage countries these days.

Evolution? (1)

Flipstylee (1932884) | about 3 years ago | (#35844802)

Isn't this what happens when we as a people learn?
I'm not putting apple in the spotlight, as i'm speaking about technology in general.

Sometimes systems need to re-adjust, business models change and/or are eliminated.
Times change, people change.
I still read actual books though, i reason parchments to be my favorite backup storage type.

Is he serious? (1)

niola (74324) | about 3 years ago | (#35844814)

Does he not realize technology marches on whether we want it or not?

And does he not consider how many R&D jobs, app developer jobs, sales jobs etc all created around these devices?

As fanbois queue in the dark, Jobs makes millions (2)

bogaboga (793279) | about 3 years ago | (#35844816)

Steve Jobs is doing pretty well. He's created the iPad. Certainly, it has made life more efficient for Americans, but the iPad is produced in China. It is not produced here in the United States."

I for one will refuse to make a rich man even richer. I even wonder what will ever make me queue up in the dark of the early mornings just to get my hands on an iDevice. Am I boring or what?

And on the subject matter, I happen to agree with the congressman to a large degree.

Re:As fanbois queue in the dark, Jobs makes millio (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844950)

Am I boring or what?

No, just a dumbass.

Re:As fanbois queue in the dark, Jobs makes millio (1)

Wovel (964431) | about 3 years ago | (#35845150)

If you refuse to make rich man river, you can purchase very litle and limit your entertainment to grammar school plays.

Just like the car (2)

krizoitz (1856864) | about 3 years ago | (#35844818)

We should never have invented cars, it made all those other jobs obsolete, horse and buggy makers, livery stables, etc. Screw progress, lets all be Amish!

Occam's razor - there's a more likely explanation (-1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | about 3 years ago | (#35844820)

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a wookie from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about that; that does not make sense!
Why would a wookie, an 8 foot tall wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two foot tall ewoks? That does not make sense! But more importantly, you have to ask yourself, âwhat does that have to do with this case?' Nothing. Ladies and Gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case. It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

Re:Occam's razor - there's a more likely explanati (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 3 years ago | (#35844854)

You trying to say you can't tell the difference between Jesse Jackson, Jr. and Johnny Cochrane? That's some racist shit there....

Re:Occam's razor - there's a more likely explanati (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | about 3 years ago | (#35844896)

Any similarity to any other flim-flammers, demagogues or rabble-rousers, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

What about the Horse carriage jobs ? (2)

unity100 (970058) | about 3 years ago | (#35844822)

Why dont we bring horse carriage jobs by banning cars. or, by mandating 1 horse carriage be sold per car, or, 1 horse carriage worth of extra charges on cars, to be paid to horse carriage industry ?

Barnes and Noble Nook (3, Insightful)

colinrichardday (768814) | about 3 years ago | (#35844828)

Does he know that Barnes and Noble has its own e-reader? Or that Amazon had one before the iPad?

jessie who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844830)

ya thought so.....

Re:jessie who? (2)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | about 3 years ago | (#35844856)

George W. who? Name recognition is half the battle in politics. For better or worse, Jesse Jackson Jr. has it. And also like George W, don't expect anything any smarter from him than you got from his old man.

standard-issue luddite dumbassery... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844834)

And no doubt your ancestors were as angry when electronic machines put all the computers out of their jobs, or when Henry Ford's "auto-mobile" stole everything from buggy-whip makers.

There's no shortage of jobs, there's a shortage of jobs that people victimized by the American school system can do effectively. That what this is really about. You can go from being a farm drone to a factory drone with no particular intellectual effort, but the American educational system (primary school especially) is actively and virulently hostile to what it takes to succeed in the computer age - the ability to think and be creative for yourself. Don't be surprised - the people who created it in the early 20th century explicitly said its purpose was to turn out nice obedient factory drones.

Well, welcome to 2010 - we don't need bio-robots on the factory floor any more, we need programmers for them.

Re:standard-issue luddite dumbassery... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844850)

I agree about the school system being a large part the underlying discussion, but could you provide some sort of reference for the claim about the people who designed the more modern school system?

Sad. (0)

digsbo (1292334) | about 3 years ago | (#35844838)

It's sad to see someone who once mobilized communities and got people to take responsibility for their own future (Operation PUSH) revert to nothing but finger-pointing and blame.

That, and he kind of looks like a Zando Zan.

http://www.flixster.com/photos/the-last-starfighter-zando-zan-10902903 [flixster.com] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cz6Pmg2hABQ/TDtWESsMtQI/AAAAAAAAAJM/J7eBwLB4iuQ/s1600/jesse+jackson5.jpg [blogspot.com]

Re:Sad. (0)

larry bagina (561269) | about 3 years ago | (#35844936)

You're confusing Jesse Jackson Jr with Jesse Jackson Sr. You're also confusing Jesse Jackson Sr with someone who isn't a race-baiting shakedown artist.

Re:Sad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845036)

Unfortunately, the apple didn't fall that far from the tree.

Save the horse whip makers! (4, Insightful)

Myji Humoz (1535565) | about 3 years ago | (#35844848)

If the odd case that anyone thinks Jesse Jackson Jr. has anything close to a valid point:

1) Though jobs for some brick and mortar retailers are lost, the loss is due to a structural change in the market induced by increasing digitization rather than through any one product. Horse buggy makers went out of business when automobiles came out, and much the same rhetoric was spewed to attack the manufacturers of cars.

2) China makes the iPads. True, but manufacturing is no longer a $40+benefits job with enough seniority. Gone for the foreseeable future are high paying manufacturing jobs that we as a nation want to focus on. The success of the IPad has spurred other technology companies to push their own tablets onto market. What does that mean? The tech companies hire more mechanical/electrical/computer/systems engineers, computer/materials scientists, programmers, designers, and production line developers. Those workers produce far more "value" to an economy than a factory worker in a mass production line. Ask a Foxxcomm worker (the guys who make iPads and iPods) if they'd rather be working in a Chinese factory or at the Apple headquarters, and guess what? They'd rather be an engineer.

3) Librarians aren't useful because the buildings they're in have information. They're highly useful because they can advise us where to find the relevant information. The librarians at my university aren't there to restock books or charge late fees. They're hired because they can help students track down critical papers, research vital bits of information, and educate them about how to find the right kind of sources. Brick and mortar stores are useful because they offer a tactile shopping experience that online systems can't seem to replicate yet. Same idea: physical locations and people offer have value added characteristics.

4) There are many things to blame for the job market pains in the United States. I don't think anyone is educated enough to really understand the "true" driving factors, but you know what? I sincerely doubt that stiffing innovation, creativity, and technological development is the way to go.

Actually sorry, I'm wrong. On behalf of the *IAA cabal and the Chinese Council for American Advisement, I suggest that we focus all of our governmental energy on stopping piracy of songs and movies instead of nurturing markets and funding basic science. If we can stop all illegal firesharing, we can save up to $13 trillion a year in damages!! That's several times more than the technology market makes in a year!

Double Slap (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 3 years ago | (#35845106)

If he was smart, he'd focus on just problems of lopsided trade, which have more legitimacy in my opinion. Instead, he liberally sprinkled in some old-fashioned ludditism. He's giving trade complaints a bad name by mixing them in.

I see it more as a symptom of regular folks getting nervous that the rich are getting richer while they are getting left behind. Regular folks cannot even afford an iPad. First manufacturing jobs were sent overseas, and now they are making products that most people cannot afford.

It's like a double slap: first your job goes away, then things are made overseas just for the rich, the same people who benefit the most from off-shoring of your job.

Progress (1)

inventorM (1872970) | about 3 years ago | (#35844864)

Obsolescence is the result of progress. How many carriage manufacturers still exist? When automobiles were first introduced, they were direct competitors to carriages. However, since automobiles have proven themselves to be better than carriages, the carriages have become obsolete, and therefore are no longer produced, except as historical replicas. The carriage manufacturers all went out of business or converted to building automobiles. When a new technology replaces an old technology, businesses must adapt, or go out of business. Please not that a few companies still produce carriages. Physical media will always have a special place. Everyday reading may become increasingly digital, but digitizing ordinary books allows special books to have prominence on the physical bookshelf.

Can't someone please think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844894)

of all the buggy whip manufacturing jobs that switching to cars will eliminate!

as a post human (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844898)

I see this guy as a typical "pesky" human causing a stink. With all the worries about pollution, they should look at the Senate and the House and the White House. Those buildings are the biggest emitters of methane gas in the world. The "pesky" humans contained therein are the cause of it.

So can we work less? (3, Interesting)

h00manist (800926) | about 3 years ago | (#35844900)

If there is no need for wasting paper, why do we need to work? Is it a religion, does everyone have to work, consume, and waste? What's broken are the economists, who cannot adjust the economy to change with the technology. Humanity has evolved before, but it was never by resiting change, but thirsting for it. There is no need to work just to consume, consume, there is a need to study, research and invent. That is real work.

It's not an anti tech rant! Watch the f'in video! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844916)

It's not anti technology! The guy loves the iPad! He's just upset that the US is losing jobs to creative destruction and outsourcing and the GOP is worried about debt!!

He's bang freaking on.

Gutenberg, you bastard! (1)

jcr (53032) | about 3 years ago | (#35844924)

With your newfangled "printing press", you put all those scribes out of work! Damn you!


Re:Gutenberg, you bastard! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845114)

What?! How can you say that after my kinfolk labored to perfect chiseled typography, using a hammer?

Cotton Gin? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844930)

Can we throw out all the cotton gin's while we're at it?

Imagine gas prices.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844932)

...if everything was still full serve?!?

Dang lazy people pumping their own gas anyway!

It's all the ipad's fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844940)

I didn't get laid this year. It's all because the iPad. Ban the iPad!!!

Just like his dad. (0)

Sarusa (104047) | about 3 years ago | (#35844958)

Doesn't even matter what he's saying. He just has to go on a rant now and then because if he doesn't get some camera time he'll JUST DIE.

Pitiful. (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#35844964)

Ah, a classic case of attacking the irrelevant symptoms and ignoring the relevant causes.

Has the supply of US jobs that aren't either burger flipping or financial services scamming been gutted like a landed fish? Oh fuck yeah. Is that the iPad's fault? How can you even seriously consider such a foolish idea?

With more respect than I can usually muster for Mr. Jackson, the numbers don't lie: American workers have been treading water or worse since the 70's. The economy as a whole has been doing OK, and productivity per worker has actually never been better; but fuck all of that has gone to the bottom 90-odd percent. The comparatively low-skill, low-capital populations that Jackson is probably most interested in appealing to have done particularly badly. The idea, though, that the destruction of a fairly modest number of low-skill, low-pay service sector jobs by technology is the root(or even a reasonably sized branch) of the problem would be hilarious were it not taken seriously. Low-skill, low-pay service sector jobs are the paltry rewards of the post-industrial economy, where people flip burgers for one another. If you are reduced to quibbling over those, you have already lost.

He's right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844972)

“A few short weeks ago I came to the House floor after having purchased a car and said that I happened to believe, Mr. Speaker, that at some point in time this new device, which is now probably responsible for eliminating thousands of American jobs. Now buggy-makers are closing stores because, why do you need to go buy a horse drawn cart? Why do you need to buy a whip? Buy an car, drive to work, drive home....

Fixed it for you....

-- stj

Dumb motherfucker (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844980)

Perhaps we should go back to an agrarian society so everyone is employed farming just to feed themselves. Ready to pull a plow Mr. Jackson? Maybe you should stop trying to think and just shake down rich corporations run by idiots with white guilt like your daddy does.

Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844988)

Did he mention a series of tubes?

Global Economy lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35844992)

Eliminating jobs? Or freeing jobs for export businesses?
By his broken logic, we should hire kids to break windows, since people would then hire american workers to replace them, instead of buying gagdets.

That man has ALWAYS been an idiot (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 3 years ago | (#35844996)

You would think that he would be opposed to Illegals as well as China's manipulation of economic situation. Instead, he wants to blame IPad. Tomorrow it will be Android. Of course, later, we will find paychecks from MS or Bill gates.

New technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845010)

New technology making old technology obsolete.

news at your local Town crier.

Let's go back to horses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845014)

I think we should have stayed with horses instead of cars because we wouldn't have put so many blacksmiths and stablehands out of work.

greening of America (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845068)

Jobs aside just think of all the paper not used so trees not cut down, trips to the store to buy books and newspapers not made saving energy and not creating greenhouse gases, and the eventual control over all the things people can or cannot read. It's a win, win, win situation.

In other news: (2)

geminidomino (614729) | about 3 years ago | (#35845072)

In other news, people with at least half of a functioning brain blame US Job Losses on Congress (including JJJr)

Right now Jackson is at home... (1)

Logos (80812) | about 3 years ago | (#35845092)

...playing Angry Birds on his ipad and laughing at how expertly he trolled slashdot!

Slashdot as usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845096)

If he was affiliated with the Republican party, that would be part of the summary, and it would be a major topic of discussion. But he's a Democrat. So it's a non-issue. This place is like visiting MSNBC.

I wish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35845120)

I'm nit american but I wish all apple products to be manufactured in US so that you'll have an app for everything if you're rich.

The horse/car comparisons are missing the point (1)

DeepBrain (28018) | about 3 years ago | (#35845128)

When the car industry replaced horses (in the U.S.), that created a wide range of American jobs for a broad range of people with a broad range of skill/education levels. Manufacturing jobs, engineering jobs, repair jobs (your neighbourhood mechanic, anyone?), construction jobs (all the roads needed for cars), etc.

Apple (or most modern technology companies) doesn't. They create engineering jobs (until those get moved to India). They create jobs flipping burgers (the only jobs left for unskilled workers in America) in their cafeteria for the engineers and marketeers. Jobs for FedEx airline pilots who fly planes full of iPads from China. Retail jobs in the Apple stores. But unlike most innovations of an earlier era (cars, airplanes, trains, whatever), iPads (or iPhones or iPods) create next to no blue-collar jobs in the country that invented it. No repair jobs (what repair? send it back to China for refurbishment) and no manufacturing/assembly jobs (all done overseas). And the suppliers' manufacturing jobs (along with many high-skilled engineering jobs, e.g. for the LCD panels) are all overseas too...

I had a BlackBerry a few years ago. It was made in Canada. If RIM can do some of their manufacturing in their home country (I believe they also outsource some production), so could Apple.

Ipod and job loss (1)

lsatenstein (949458) | about 3 years ago | (#35845152)

Sadly, Jesse Jackson is right. The IPod is responsible for the job losses. And with those losses, comes deflation. The unemployment rises, and the dollar drops. I live in Canada, and the US DOLLAR IS NOW AT 0.93.4 Cents Canadian. Job loss and US debt and the fact that aside from a few model cars, there is little we buy from the USA. All the goods we used to buy, from clothing, shoes, electronic goods all come from Asian countries. Even the help desk functions that were once situated in the USA are now offshore. The USA has to start taxing goods it imports, so as to reestablish jobs for Americans. If not, there will definitely be a reverse migration, of American Citizens moving to China, and Asia to find jobs and re-establish themselves.
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