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Sony Should Pay For OtherOS Removal, Says Finnish Board

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the seems-only-fair dept.

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x*yy*x writes "According to Consumer Board in Finland, Sony should pay up 100 euros to a console owner for OtherOS removal. The board said that the removal of OtherOS crippled console features that were present at the time of purchase and agreed that consumers should be compensated. Sony tried to point out that the user agreed to the PS3 EULA, but the consumer board noted that such agreements can't go around consumer laws."

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Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Interesting)

boaworm (180781) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913586)

I've been looking around a bit, but I haven't been able to find a good explanation to why Sony is removing the feature in the first place.

Does it allow hacking the console? Does it cost too much to maintain? Anyone knows?

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913608)

Makes hacking the console easier.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (-1, Offtopic)

AppealToBootyness (2063342) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913660)

Captain Lee wasn’t the only female in the Logistics Department. There was also Staff Sergeant Jones; She had just arrived in country to replace the old Section Sergeant w

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who had retired. “Have you ever seen a Vienna sausage?” She tossed her short dark brown hair back and looked me in the eyes. Her brown eyes w

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were full of fire, just like mine, or so I’m told. “Uuh, yes, Sergeant.” I wondered where this was going. “That’s how big my husband’s prick is.” Her eyes never fell. She was trying to impress a point u

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upon me, but I’ll be damned if I knew what it was. I really didn’t need to know that information. “I’m sorry, Sarge.” I looked down at my stack of papers that I had decided that I deliberately wasn’t going to finish that day. “Yeah,” she said, “Me too.

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.” She leaned back in her chair, putting her arms behind her head. “I mean, he’s a good person and he takes care of me and all. I

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do love him, but sexually, he is a waste. It sounds mean, but, I let him fuck me every night and I don’t even feel it. He can’t even give me head the way I r

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really want it.” I started thinking that maybe I had some paperwork to do after all. “You know what I like to do?” She was staring at me again, her big, dark brown eyes flickering. “Wha

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at, Sarge?” “On my birthday, I go out and pick up a guy. I pick up a guy and fuck him.” “That’s a bit of a gamble isn’t it?” I replied. “He may not be any

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good.” “Worse than a man with a penis like a Vienna sausage who lasts all of four seconds? God, even his balls are tiny.” “Damn.” That was the best I coul

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ld do. I couldn’t believe my section Sergeant was sitting here emasculating her husband in front of me. Not that it would be much of a loss, apparently. “Back in the States, I had a

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guy I could go to. I met him one year at an airport bar and he was good, so I called him on my birthday, until he got married. He had six in

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nches, which was big for me. The next guy was almost as bad as my husband, so I never called him back. Then I got sent here.” “Birthday getting close, Sarge?” I

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I was pushing it but I couldn’t resist. “Past.” She frowned. “This post is so small that if I go home with anyone, everyone will know about it. Little dick or not

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t, I don’t want a divorce.” “True.” I said, but I wasn’t sure I meant it. One good fuck a year. I couldn’t believe it. Sgt. Jones was

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pretty. She was thick but not fat by any means. Her body was strong and shapely and her chest was at least a D. Her face was comely, with dark brown bedroom eyes, high cheeks and full lips. She must have plenty of offers, but she limits h

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herself to once a year. That would drive me crazy. “Captain Lee knows all about it. I told her while I was at a barbecue at her house. You know what she told

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d me?” “What, Sarge?” “She told me to talk to you.” “Me?” I took a sip of coffee out of nervous habit. “Oh yes, She says you are the best fuck she ever had and that you’re at least 8 inches

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long.” I stood up and found a rag to clean up the coffee that had just sprayed out of my nose. Mine was 8 ¼ inches to be exact. I had measured it. “It’s my birthday and I you know what I wan

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nt?” “Why don’t you tell me?” I smiled nervously. “I want it inside me.” She stood up and walked toward my desk as she talked, staring at me the whole time. “I want something big, to suck on, to play with, to fuck me good and hard and make me sore insi

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ide. Are you up for it?” I stood up. All of this talk had caused my cock to begin to fill. My pants became tight against it. “I’m up al

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ll right.” She reached for it and stroked it through my pants. “The same rules as with Captain Lee. We have fun for my birthday and then it’s back to business, OK?” “Of course.” My mind was re

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eeling. “I don’t want to do it in here though.” Her large breasts were noticeably heaving. She was short of breath from the excitement. “I’ll find a place and let you know.” “Hooah, Sarge.” Which is Army talk for “Awww Right!” I wa

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as a little irritated at first, I must admit. Was I just someone the Captain could whore out to anyone she felt like? What made h

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her think She could just send some woman to me to fuck and I’d do it? Because I would, that’s why. I got booted out of 2nd Infantry for thinking with my dick and she probably kn

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new all about it. She also knew from personal experience that I have a pretty loose grip on my hormones. Damn it! I thought. I’m be

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eing used. Used by gorgeous women. Oh no! The Captain had called me Old Reliable. I decided then and there to take that to a new l

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level! If they wanted a sex machine, they were going to get one. I knew she wanted it to be something special. It wasn’t a meet in the bathroom and fuck

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against the stall kind of thing. It didn’t have to be extravagant, just decent. Overseas, you can’t just check into a Motel Six out by the highway and get your groove on

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n. On post everyone knows who you are and off post you stick out like a sore thumb. The old building where the Captain and I had our fling was being used now so that was out. That’s when I remembered the morgu

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ue. Not really a morgue. More like a collection point. Whenever someone croaks on post they get sent there and Specialist Brooke, the mortuary guy bags ‘em and tags ‘em and takes th

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hem up north. That happens maybe twice a year down here. 90% of the time the freezer’s empty and Brooke is re-painting or filing papers or off on temporary duty in Seoul. True, the back ro

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oom is pretty creepy but the front has a desk and a couch, just like a normal office. It would be nothing for the both of us to sho

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ow up there since DOL is in charge of the supplies and operations at the collection point. And I just happened to have the spare key. If Brooke is actually the

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ere, I’ll just tell him to beat it and maybe owe him a favor for later. “Hey Sarge.” I offered as Sgt. Jones poured herself some coffee.

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“What is it, Green?” “I have a plan.” When the sun left the sky, leaving nothing but a sultry red over the mountains, I took my leave. I took the truck down there with

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some supplies first, a couple of candles, blankets, incense, glasses and a bottle of red wine. I also brought my portable radio so I could play some tunes and cover the noise. I went with Bauhaus instead of Metallica this time

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e. Speed metal may be alright for a torrid fling in a warehouse, but a special time like this called for something dark and sexy and Bauhaus had that in

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n spades. I lit up the candles on Brooke’s desk and closed the blinds. I laid the blankets on the couch because it was vinyl and bare asses on vinyl tend to squeak. The wine I took to the back and chilled in the freezer for a bit. It was vacant,

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of course, and my pal Brooke kept things very sanitary. I fired up the incense to take away the ultra-sanitized hospital smell that permeated the room. I think it was pat

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tchouli, the stuff hippies used to burn in the sixties. Whatever it was hung deep in the air and seemed almost hallucinogenic. When the wine

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was good and cold, I brought it out and set it next to the candles. Sergeant Jones arrived right on time. She walked in the door and took off her c

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cap, letting her dark brown hair fall around her face. I shut the door behind her and took her right hand. “Hi,” I said, smiling. “I’m Jack.” “Tammy.” She smiled back. Her beautiful full lips were painted a deep red

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and glossy, making them even more prominent. This wasn’t what she would typically wear with her uniform. She had done it to tease me and it worked. I wanted those lips around my c

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cock so bad it hurt. I have a thing for lips and hers were luscious in every respect of the word. Her hands felt soft. It was the first time I had touched them, caressed them. I held onto the

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em and led her to the wine. “Do you like Bordeaux, Tammy?” I asked. “Please.” She let me fill a glass for her. I had one too. “How’s your birthday so far?” I touched her soft face and she moved it over my hand so that I was touching her neck at the hai

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irline. I began to stroke her neck sweetly. It tensed under my touch when I got close to her ears. “Great.” She smiled. “When do I get my present?” “Soon, soon.” I didn’t

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want this to be a wham-bam roll on the floor like my afternoon with Captain Lee. Not that I didn’t enjoy it. Tammy wanted something exeptional for her birthday and she was going to have it. From the moment her breasts started heaving when she p

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petted my cock back at the office I knew I wanted to savor this moment. Peter Murphy was now singing “Bela Lugosi’s Dead”. The night’s rhythm was starting to take hold. “We should get out of these uniforms, at least.” She unbuttoned her blouse an

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nd instead of a brown Army T-shirt underneath, there was a transparent red nightshirt. More like a half-shirt made of sheer red mesh. Her beautiful full breasts shone with a reddish glow and made it seem even smaller on her. They seemed to defy gravit

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ty and her nipples, small considering the luscious fullness of her breasts had hardened to perfection, and made creases down the little top she was wearing. I wanted to suck on them, gently peeling the tiny nightshirt away an

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nd slowly tasting those tiny nipples, then sucking as much of those silky tits as I could pull into my hungry mouth. Her skin was deeply tanned all the way through, no lines at all and the

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light brown made those breasts look all that much smoother and more delicious. I hastily unbuttoned my top and threw it to the floor, closely followed by my t-shirt. We both went for our boots at the same time. There was no rush though. We pulled them

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m off and cast them aside. She was wearing red silk stockings to match her little top piece. My pants had to go. I stripped to

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my silk boxers and watched closely as she pulled of her own camouflage pants, revealing the rest of her outfit. Her soft shoulders and those oh, so delicious breasts were ha

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azed red in the candlelight. This accented the sweet, natural curve of her full hips and tight belly, leading to a bare, tanned, generous ass. Her thick, but beautifully curved thighs shared the re

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ed haze of her breasts all the way down to her small, pretty feet, bare, except or the thin layer of sheer red silk. The topper was her smoothly shaven mound of flesh. No panties, just naked, shaven beauty that begged to be rubbed against my face.

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Her body and my silk boxers were working magic on my cock, which now stood at half-mast. She noticed and smiled, getting closer, moving to the pulsing, sexy sounds of Bauhaus. “I love the candles.” She smiled, reaching

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g for me. “But that’s not what I came for.” “What’s a birthday without candles?” I said with a smirk. “There’s only one candle I want to light tonight.” Her hand washed over the silk of my boxers, explorin

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ng the rise that was steadily growing. “Is it really 8 inches?” “Eight and ¼, I measured.” “It will be the biggest I’ve ever had. I can’t wait.” “Wait just a little,” I said. I moved in to kiss her ne

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eck and she gave it to me. I began to kiss down her neck as my hands stroked her breasts through the silken mesh. Her nipples hardened under my fingers and she moaned a little. Her caresses over

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my cock became a little more fervent but still gentle, roaming back and forth. I let my fingers slide across those hard, tiny nipples and let her moan to me a little as I stroked. I had to touch her all over, such a full, soft curvaceous body, smoo

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oth in all the right ways. I slid my hands over her breasts again, squeezing a little, then down her waist and back up again with a

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another little squeeze. I felt her shapely, tight belly and her supple waist in one brush, pulling her into me. I drew her close so that her soft, puffy mound pressed

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hard against the silk that covered my raging cock, which was now at its full size. She gave out a startled little gasp and her soft hands moved to my ass and pulled me up harde

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er. She began to gyrate her hips, rubbing my silk wrapped cock all over and between her legs, spreading them slightly and standing on her toes, trying to get it

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to touch her where he really wanted it. I crouched a little and pressed the thick head against Tammy's soft folds. “Oh!” she shud

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ddered hard, I thought she would lose balance. I pulled away. All of the silk covering my swollen head was soaked. I had to touch. My hands rose up the inside of her mus

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scular thighs and caressed her tiny folds ever so slightly. They were dripping. I pushed a finger inside her and she cried out loud. So tight! “I’m going to fuck

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you so hard.” I whispered to her as I gently gave her the length of my finger. “It’s going to hurt.” “Hurt me.” She whined in my ear. “Please hur

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rt me. Make me scream for you to stop.” I began to tug on her clit lightly with my finger. She started to swoon and I had to catch her waist. I sat her down on the couch, still teasing with my fingers. Sh

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he let out a small cry and came on my hand, soaking my skin. I pushed her legs apart and began kissing the inside of her soft thighs. She let out a gasp as I pulled her little lips apart. They weren’t used to being stretched at all. I

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pulled the folds away from her clit and tasted the tiny bead with my tongue. Again, she cried and came, this time on my face. Her scent was all ov

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ver me and I was loving it! I began to lick at her clit and all around it, tasting the juice she poured on me. Her smooth, shaven pussy against my smooth, shaven face oiled au natural. Her hands stroked my cropped hair as she moaned and jo

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olted. When the blankets were soaked beneath her, she begged me to stop. Her legs were still shaking and her big sun-bronzed breasts, heaving, had escaped the tiny red top. “Oh, God!” Breaths short and hard. “Look

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k what you made me DO! I wanted yourAAAH!” While she was talking, I had lowered my head again. My eight and a quarter inches may be Captain Lee’s dirty little secret, but mine was my tongue. I pushed the tip of it as deep int

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to her sopping wet pussy as it would go and began to tongue-fuck her, in and out. Her walls squeezed together so hard my tongue was pushed out, followed by a gush of sweet girl cum. I lapped it contentedly as she cried out again.

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“Please Stop!” She begged. “I can’t take another one!” Licking my lips, I smiled. “You just wait and see what I make you take.” I stood up and got the bot

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ttle of Bordeaux. I took a big drink, straight from the bottle and handed it to her. She followed suit. Both of us wiped our mouths off. She was still sittin

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ng on the couch and I was standing beside her. She sipped on the wine and slid her hand up the leg of my boxers. “Birthday candle time.” She said, giving my erect cock a desperate squeeze. She quickly pulled down my silk boxers and I stepped out of them.

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. She stroked me slowly, staring at my erection. “All mine. Mmm” She tugged harder. Pre-cum appeared on the tip. “You’re the one dripping now.” I petted her hair and pulled on it a li

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ittle. I knew what she was going to do. I just wanted her to know I wanted it. She suckled lightly on the tip, taking the pre-cum, then on the head, dragging her tongue all over it. She licked the tense shaft up and down, first using her whole tongue an

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nd then her lips and tongue, side to side. Tammy squeezed the head between her fingers and picked it up. She licked down to my balls and sucked the

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em one at a time into her mouth, savoring each one and rolling it around her tongue. She licked all the way back up the shaft and took

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k it into her warm mouth. Finally, those glossy lips I had been lusting after were mine. She was amazingly gentle in her touch, but never lacking in feeling. Those precious lips took me in and out, just past the head. I had to have more. “Do you

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u think you can take it all?” I teased. “Go deep for me.” She took it almost half way. “Deeper.” She went a little further and stopped with a little sound. “I can make you choke on it.” I threatened with a playful tug on her hair. “No.” she

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begged. “I can’t. It’s too much.” I took her hair a little harder with both hands and pulled, but not too much. “Put it back in.” I ordered. “And don’t touch it. I’m going to make you take it.” She opened her mouth again and

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let me guide it in. I thrust with my hips as she relaxed her throat, her hands tense on my thighs. I pulled her hair into me and slowly fucked that glistening red mouth as she struggled to take every inch. I didn’t

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t give it all to her, just enough so she could take me and have it fill her mouth without really choking. I knew she liked it when one of her hands left my thigh and began stroking her pussy while I forced myse

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elf into her. I could feel her sucking harder as little orgasmic crests shook her ever so gently. Her mouth was so good I was tem

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mpted to let go and fill it with cum, but I pulled out instead. She stood up and put her arms around me, kissing my face and touching me all over. I caressed her back and felt the curves o

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of her ass, which filled my hands. All the while, I could feel that smooth, wet pussy against my hard cock. “My turn now.” She whispered to me. “Sit in

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that chair.” She motioned to an armless office chair behind the desk. I walked over and sat down. “It goes past your belly button!” Tammy gasped. “Let me play with it.” She stradd

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dled me, facing away. Her round, full ass was toward me and I rubbed the firm flesh as she prepared her pussy for me. She spread it as wide as she could and eased it over the fully engorged head that awaited her. She sat down a lit

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ttle more and moaned a little. She rocked her hips back and forth and I held myself still for her, letting my first couple of inches start to open her pussy, which was already sending little d

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drops down my shaft. God, she was a gusher! She fucked me softly, just past my head, moaning the whole time. I wanted her to pound it in, all the way in. “You’re so good, Tammy.” I stroked her

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beautiful ass. She could only respond in panting. “Give me more.” I begged. “Ohh!” I felt her legs weaken as her ass sunk down further, taking me in almost half way. Her hands clutched my knees and she started to go faster, crying out with ea

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ach thrust. Her bronzed ass jiggled slightly in my hands. Her cries grew more intense and her walls crushed me, her legs starting to shake

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e. If she weren’t so wet, I would have never gotten in. “Ohh Fuck!” She cried out loud, cumming in my lap. I sat up and pulled mysel

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lf out, lifting her off me. She seemed confused and grasped at my cock, desperately trying to pull me back in. I seized Tammy’s shoulders and pushed her over to the couch. “It’s time, Tammy.” I slid my raging cock down the crack of her ass. “I’m g

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going to do it like you asked me to do. Get on your hands and knees for me.” “Be careful.” Tammy was wide eyed. “Please.” “I’m going to hurt you.” I teased, stroking her ass as she kneeled before me. Her breathing was reduces to moaning

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g and panting. “Just like you wanted.” I settled in behind her, rubbing her back, up and down, from her ass to the back of her neck. Her legs spread for me and I used my hands to part her beautiful ass even wider, displaying that sweet, fuckable pu

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ussy. I held the head of my cock against it. She started to shake harder. “Fuck me!” she screamed, “Put it in!” I took her smooth thighs in hand and gave it to her. I sunk in all the way to my aching balls. She screamed out agai

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in and tried to pull away, but I held on, pumping away inside her. She made a whining sound and I slowed. I must have hurt her. “Don’tyou darestop!” She growled at me. Her ass bucked against me and my balls hit har

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rd. I pressed hard on her thighs again and began to pound her with all I had. I could feel her pussy squeezing hard as she came again. I

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I forced myself past her imploding walls and hit bottom with brute force, this time rubbing the head all over her inside while I held it in deep. Her arms collapsed and her face went into the blankets as she screamed agains

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st them. She screamed and cried into the blankets as I rocked against her, torturing her with my massive shaft. Her face came out of the blankets. “Cum in me!”

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she half sighed, half moaned. “Fuck me hard and cum inside me!” I leaned into her ass and threw my weight against her. It wasn’t hard to do. My fireworks were ready t

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to go. It was all I could do just to hold them back. The fire between my thighs crept down my shaft, up into me and out again and I felt myself thicken ev

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ven more as I pounded her pussy, trying to let it all go. As I exploded into her I buried my cock in deep and we cried out together. Oh Ecstasy! I lifted her legs off the couch and held her writhing body in suspension as I pou

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ured myself into her. I fell on top of her, as I died a Shakespearean death inside her. We lay there for a moment and she finally spoke up. “Could you please get off, you’re squashing me.” “Sorry,” I rolled onto the floor. “More Bordeaux?” “Oh, yes.” S

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She took her glass and drank deeply. I did the same. We held each other, still shaking. “Happy birthday, Sarge.” I grinned. “At ease, there, Specialist.” Tammy laughed, tousling my cropped hair.

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Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914156)

Only all the successful console hacks seem to have occurred after removal of the OtherOS feature....

And other consoles which never had any such features have also been hacked.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913612)

Probably because the content creators were uncomfortable with it, as they might imagine that it could potentially provide a route to more easily bypass DRM.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914010)

It also stops you from building your own supercomputer.

Maybe US DoD was involved?

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (2, Insightful)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914038)

Yes, but not on the side [physorg.com] you seem to be suggesting.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Informative)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913620)

You must have been living under a rock for the last year.

It was used for hacking the console, making it possible to run your own software, hacked games and backups of games. Those in favour say "and? I bought the console, I can do what I like." (These people make up the bulk of /. commenters, but by and large are in a minority if you look at various PS3 forums).

Those against say "Games are expensive enough as it is, if there's more piracy they'll get even dearer. And hacked games? Where's the fun in networked play if someone can use an aimbot? The whole benefit of networked console gaming is that you're all on a level playing field."

Sony say "We don't care what you bought, our EULA allows us to add and remove features as we wish."

Legislators say "Consumers can't relinquish statutory rights, that's the whole point of consumer statutory rights. We don't care what your EULA says."

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913678)

really ??? informative ??? wao ...

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913710)

Yes, because in the process of teaching or explaining, sometimes you have to say the same things in different ways to get the point across to different people who think and understand things in different ways.

I understand your amazement, it is essentially the same thing as the article summary...

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Insightful)

Spewns (1599743) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913718)

Those in favour say "and? I bought the console, I can do what I like." (These people make up the bulk of /. commenters, but by and large are in a minority if you look at various PS3 forums).

Rational people generally are in the minority like that.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (4, Insightful)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914148)

Well, all sides are acting rationally:

The hackers want Other OS because it's something they paid for and that the console was advertised with. That's rational.

The regular gamers are happy with Other OS being taken away because not only it it something they don't need, it's actually detrimental to them (as it forces them to deal with cheating to a greater extent). It's rational to be in favor of something exclusively detrimental to one to be removed.

Sony shut Other OS off because it makes it easier to run unlicensed copies of games and to run homebrew that wasn't sold through PSN. Since game sales are essentially what makes the platform profitable it's rational for Sony to try to protect their bottom line.

The legislators point out that the PS3 EULA contains unenforcable provisions and hence Sony didn't have the right to turn off Other OS in their country.


All sides have good arguments. There's no sense to let people run arbitrary code on a device which you use precisely because people can't run arbitrary code on it (while a game is running); I can understand the regular gamers in that regard. On the other hand it's not okay to sell something with a certain feature set and then remove features you decide you don't want on the market after all so the postion of the hackers and the legislators makes sense as well. Ultimately I'd side with the hackers (Sony just handled the whole thing very badly) but I wouldn't call any side in this argument irrational. They just happen to have different perspectives.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (5, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914160)

OtherOS had no detrimental effects to regular gamers, it did not permit cheating in any way...

OtherOS did not make it easier to run copied games...
It did make it easier to run homebrew, but that was the whole point of it in the first place, and the homebrew it could run was intentionally crippled so it could not compete with profit generating games.

Successful hacks against the ps3, which do make it easier to both cheat and run copied games only became available long after the OtherOS feature was removed.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Interesting)

eyenot (102141) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913784)

It's great how you've presented each POV. I am entirely in the dark on handheld gaming right now.

You might not be surprised that I (and some) would argue all four sides independently.

Full ownership, good. It's yours to fuck up as you please, including the quality of your gaming experience.

And yeah, it sure sucks competing against the borg. You shouldn't be allowed on the network with a hacked console, or, if the parent company feels generous, you shouldn't e allowed on the mainstream network with a hacked console but have to stay in some overcrowded semi public channels.

And sure, it's Sony's network and it's their manifest destiny (we could say) to fuck with your device that they built in a way that you don't know squat about before it happens because micro technology has progressed so far that such a method is possible.

And right, that pisses some people off (me, included) mostly because it goes against the concept of honest business and is akin to selling booby traps. So governments representing the people should take issue.

Its a bright opportunity to design new ware and new methods to ensure that the arguments for and against console hacking are satisfied. It's the best business model and other approaches should be seen as the result of failing to appeal to the cognitive elite and instead asking marketers about security and accountants about response.

What will happen instead is the old arena-based bickering and rebellious super vocalizing of (ultimately) self-inflicted malcontent, crying over the obvious economic sink of entertainment funds and loathing over the ridiculousness of such matters as so weighty in times of global economic turmoil, and therefore less attention paid to more important matters leading to even greater ignorance, setting populations up for repeat performances of the whole "who could have predicted such a tragedy, it's just like in the movies" posturing and swooning.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

CapOblivious2010 (1731402) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913804)

You must have been living under a rock for the last year.

Too bad there's not a "-1 Snarky" moderator option.

Yes, your post is very informative. But you might also find it informative to know that not everyone owns a PS3 (I've never owned a sony console in my life), not everyone wants to run linux on everything from their car to their toaster, and not everyone follows stories like this in any detail whatsoever. Still, when an interesting event occurs (like a judge ruling that sony must pay people actual cash for screwing with their functionality via firmware updates), people may be intrigued by it - not so much so they can hop in a time machine, buy a PS3, come back to the present, and cash in, but rather because of the implications a precedent like this sets for other companies and products.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (4, Informative)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913838)

To go into more detail on the hacking thing...

The intent of OtherOS was to allow you to run your own software. (Although, some say that the intent was to try to get the PS3 legally considered as a computer for taxation reasons.)

There are two groups that were wanting to hack the console: Those wanting full access or access at all to the console's hardware for their own software, and pirates/cheaters. The pirates/cheaters are basically script kiddies, though - in other words, they don't have the technical ability to actually hack it.

I believe there was minor progress, early on, made towards using more of the console's hardware within OtherOS than Sony allowed, but not much was done with it.

In any case, Sony's attempt to get the PS3 classified as a computer failed, so they removed OtherOS from the PS3 Slim.

That pissed off the people who were wanting more access for their own software, not none whatsoever, so they began hacking the console, to see how to get OtherOS back onto the Slim. An impractical exploit for normal use, but one that exposed more info about the console, was used by Geohot.

That scared the crap out of Sony, and that's what caused them to remove OtherOS from existing consoles.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (5, Informative)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913966)

You're missing the biggest point. Sony didn't just remove OtherOS from the Slim, they removed it from all current and past PS3s by a forced PSN update. This forced consumers to either keep OtherOS and lose PSN access, or give up PSN access to keeo OtherOS

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (4, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914170)

You also lose the ability to play new games, not just PSN...

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

JonJ (907502) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913844)

These people make up the bulk of /. commenters, but by and large are in a minority if you look at various PS3 forums

That's really strange, imagine a bunch of Sony-fanboys being positive to taking it up the ass from Sony. AMAZING.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913886)

I think you should remove the board in front of your own head. The OtherOS option was a legal feature that allowed to install Linux on the PS3. It has nothing to do with custom firmware or hacking the console.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914018)

Yes it had everything to do with custom firmware and hacking. Other OS became an viable attack vector. Sony was obviously not going to put their entire platform at risk for the sake of the minimal number of people who bothered running Other OS. I find it laughable all the uproar about a feature that I suspect very few people complaining now even bothered to use when it was available.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

duguk (589689) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914184)

Yes it had everything to do with custom firmware and hacking. Other OS became an viable attack vector. Sony was obviously not going to put their entire platform at risk for the sake of the minimal number of people who bothered running Other OS. I find it laughable all the uproar about a feature that I suspect very few people complaining now even bothered to use when it was available.

Sony were the ones who offered this feature, then removed it to all their existing customers. Attack vectors aren't the point here; the PS3 product was sold with OtherOS, and later removed. Surely that demands compensation.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (5, Insightful)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913888)

Its those against that are the problem with society today. I have nothing against people acting in their own self interest. I would never ask or expect someone to act against their own self interest. What I find sad about most people is short sightedness. Its not at all in their self interest to let Sony get away with abuses like this just because it does not effect them and it means a cheaper video game today. Tomorrow when they become the victim of such practices they will have discouraged those who might have stood with them, and they will have created precedent against themselves.

As a consumer its impossible for me to understand how anyone else thinks its a good idea to create a trade environment where manufacturers are free to materially alter products after sale without my consent. There is just no way that is going to work to my favor over the long term. If people won't exercise enough sense to oppose it now wherever they spot it while its relatively benign, its going to be much harder later.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (-1, Flamebait)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913896)

Cheaters ruin games. Simple as that. It's not the piracy that will ruin a game, sure that is some money out of pocket that you will never recoup, but it's not as bad as the cheaters. Nobody wants to play a cheater infested game, paid for or pirated. See, I can understand anyone wanting to get more utility out of it, but if it opens the floodgates for Cheater Lake to wash us all down stream, then fuck you and your jailbreak.

Also, fuck you and your PSN hack, you cunts may think it's giggly cute to put the shithammer to Sony, but all you are doing is fucking over people trying to enjoy their system. I have went from "meh, who cares" to "FUCK YOU CUNT HACKERS...HUNT YOU ALL DOWN, KILL YOU, AND YOUR FUCKING FAMILY, YOUR FUCKING DOG, YOUR CAT, YOUR FUCKING GOLD FISH, SALT YOUR LAWN, PISS IN YOUR POOL, PUSH OVER YOUR BIRDBATH, LEAVE MY FUCKING GAME NETWORK ALONE YOU GREASY RATFUCKS!!!!!1111!!", or something like that. (in regards to the Sony Network being FOBAR for days now)

If I feel that way, I am sure others feel strongly. I am sure Sony feels strongly. I am sure the lobbyists that work for them will feel strongly about it, and after they present a big fat check to whatever flesh eating Congresspersons they can summon, our Government will too. Holy Fuck, we are under attack from international cyberterrorists, RELEASE TEH KRAKEN!.

Come on people, lets fuck around and turn this into an all out war on our internet freedoms. We can surely piss them off enough to give us all some damn National ID Card with a chip to access our fucking balls and toilet paper and everything else in life. Between this and the Facebook/Twitter Jehadz in the Middle-east, whoever that is setting in "ye ole seat of power", has to be sweating their nuts off about now, wondering when the fuck is some of this foam at the mouth insanity going to drop the other shoe on us? Sweet Jesus, they are killing the kid's PS3, WTF?

All of this and the Fins are bitch wanting wtf, 100 Euros per customer? I would have to look at these fucking Fins and say; "Look douchebags, if you are going to force me to give up the protections on this system and open it up to whatever, then we are going to sue the fucking shit out of you when the entire game platform goes into the toilet because nobody plays the fucker due to all the cheaters on it. So, please, is your country worth that much even? Do I get to kick you all out if I win the lawsuit if you can't pay it? Granted, you people are fucking RETARDS, and obviously don't understand WTF a gaming system is and keeping one up, running and secure from ratfuck cheaters and whatnot. But I am willing to overlook that, providing you pull your collective heads out of your asses.

Look, here's the deal. Cut the damn deal with them and don't press charges. They stop their DDoS attacks, and I can finally log the hell in and register a couple of games I got, that are still in the plastic, as I wait to see if Sony is going to faceplant or not. Wal-Mart doesn't take back PS3 Games if they are opened, duh! So, here I wait. Pissed, thinking evil shit about hacker fucks jacking into my game time.

Sweet Jesus, they should all be happy as shit that I am not the owner of Sony. Fuck sending the DoJ after them. I could surely afford NINJAS!! Oh yeah, Sony Ninja's extract revenge on hackers! Details on /.! I can see it now. I would have my own RL RTS interface controlling my Ninja Teams, and after I greased them all, I would make a PS3 game out of it. The irony would be epic. /forcesuggest My game network, release it now!

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (4, Insightful)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913924)

So you translate your post...

I don't care if Sony is abusing others because they are not hurting me personally, and I am a short sighted selfish douche who can't see the harm in permitting the destruction of personal property and consumer rights just so I can more fun today.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (2)

indeterminator (1829904) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913950)

All of this and the Fins are bitch wanting wtf, 100 Euros per customer? I would have to look at these fucking Fins and say; "Look douchebags, if you are going to force me to give up the protections on this system and open it up to whatever, then we are going to sue the fucking shit out of you when the entire game platform goes into the toilet because nobody plays the fucker due to all the cheaters on it. So, please, is your country worth that much even? Do I get to kick you all out if I win the lawsuit if you can't pay it? Granted, you people are fucking RETARDS, and obviously don't understand WTF a gaming system is and keeping one up, running and secure from ratfuck cheaters and whatnot. But I am willing to overlook that, providing you pull your collective heads out of your asses.

To make a car analogy, Sony pulling the Other OS feature is similar to someone having bought a car with an AC unit, and getting their car back from the yearly servicing finds out that AC has been disabled because it interferes with the airbag system.

In both cases, it's about safety and security, but it's the fault of the manufacturer in the first place. The car manufacturer could argue that 'most people are not using the AC anyway, and it's still a perfectly good car', but they would still have to either compensate their customers or fix those cars.

This is not about evil hackers at all, this is about a corporation selling something, then changing the deal afterwards.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (4, Informative)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913986)

It was used for hacking the console, making it possible to run your own software, hacked games and backups of games.

That's a downright lie right there: OtherOS NEVER allowed for playing backups or hacking games. First of all, the PS3's own filesystem is encrypted and on a separate partition from the OtherOS partition, so there was no access to the files there in the first place. Secondly, there was no access to GameOS functions whatsoever. OtherOS was absolutely not used for running PS3 games, not then and not now.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914168)

OtherOS was used for making images of Blu-Ray movies which you can accomplish with nothing more than dd on a ps3 because of the way the drivers worked, but for which you need to use more complicated programs on other systems. Or so I have read in multiple fora; I've never owned a PS3 because I swore off Sony when they killed Lik-Sang. Thus my last Sony experience was Gran Turismo 3 and 4 on the PS2 Slim. Byebye, Sony. You will not be missed.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913630)

Because some people play copied games, and this apparently made the console easier to hack. Also, there might be a few hackers in servers (which totally can't be banned individually like they have to do everywhere else). Or something. Therefore, the feature should be removed from all customers' systems entirely!

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913670)

copied games???? wth are talking about ???? what copied games ???? the onlty thing that enabled copied games was a hardware trick long after linux was removed untill recently. an still very very long after linux was removed.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913726)

Really? Well, that's apparently what some people are saying (that it allowed for certain hacks that allowed you to do that). I don't agree with the removal even if that is true.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913778)

what linux lead to was an initial dump of some memory locations ... and even that required a hardware mod not possible for the common joe blow.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1, Troll)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914042)

No, Geohot demonstrated a viable attack on the hypervisor. A contemporary report of which is here [ps3news.com] . Sony had no choice but to shut OtherOS down before the attack was refined into an ISO that people could download, burn & install on the PS3 to root the thing completely.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1, Redundant)

whiteboy86 (1930018) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913656)

How many users buy a game console and use it for anything else then gaming or entertainment?

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913692)

how many handicaps are out there ... not much ... therefor we should remove the parking spots reserved for them ?
Does it really matter ... it was a fucking advertised feature (I bought mine b/c of this : the fact that you can run linux AND play games). There's a name for what happened : Bait and SWITCH.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913728)

Sucks to be you. I agree what Sony did was wrong, but are you now convinced that you should never buy from Sony again? I was convinced long, long ago and so this story failed to enrage me. The Sony rootkit affected me only because it was a problem on my business network -- I don't buy anything with a Sony label. So I'm curious to know if you learned never to buy from Sony?

I hope that every EU user claims his 100euro prize until it makes Sony bleed. And I hope this case gets revisited in the US and makes Sony bleed.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913794)

I licked my wound learned my lesson. If it's the last company on earth and their product will save my life I won't buy it !

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (5, Insightful)

JohnRoss1968 (574825) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913768)

It does not matter how many people buy it for games or whatever. What does matter is when a customer bought a PS3, they were told that it has the ability to use the other OS. And then Sony took that ability (that the customers paid for because it was a part of the package they bought.) and removed it without the customers permission. If that is allowed than what else is allowed.
Dear Customers we are disabling the ability to use 3rd party controllers.
Dear Customer we are disabling the ability of your PS3 unit to save games.
Dear Customer we are disabling the ability of your PS3 to play videos
Dear Customer we are disabling the ability of your PS3 to play games.
Dear Customer we are proud to introduce a new update that will allow your PS3 to use 3rd party hardware, and its only $19.99*
Dear Customer we are proud to introduce a new update that will allow your PS3 to now save games, and its only $24.95*
Dear Customer we are proud to introduce a new update that will allow your PS3 to now play movies and videos for only $10.99*
Dear Customer we are proud to introduce a new update that will allow your PS3 to Play GAMES ITS MAGICAL at only $49.99**
* These features may be removed at any time. No refunds. If these features are reintroduced you may need to purchase them again.
** Sony has the right to introduce features into its system to 'refinish' the surface of your game disks. Sony is not responsible for any damage done to your game disks.

PS Sony would like to thank our customers for their hard earned cash and would like to thank them by saying "SUCK IT"

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (5, Informative)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913680)

Basically, because the PS3 was "unhackable", George Hotz decided to take a look at it and came up with a really convoluted way to unlock a tiny bit more memory access within Linux. This "hack" involved soldering a chip to your PS3 and triggering it at the right time. It was really trigger happy and a bit of a faff to pull off, but it did work eventually. You had to do this EVERY time you restarted your PS3.

That's it. That's the entire reason why Sony removed Linux. This "hack" didn't enable piracy, it didn't grant access to any encrypted files or anything like that, it didn't even give you total control over the PS3 like recent hacks have, it basically allowed you to poke around the memory a bit more. So Sony panicked and removed it from all FAT PS3's.

I should point out - Sony had decided that the PS3 slim would never have OtherOS support long before this happened, but that's ok - that's a refresh of the console line and nowhere did Sony claim the Slim would have OtherOS support. The issue is the Original, "FAT" PS3's that had this feature advertised on the box.

It's quite ludicrous as well, as anyone interested in hacking the PS3 simply didn't update, poked around all they wanted and 6 months later, PSJAILBREAK was released, allowing people to do little more than play backups on (what was at the time) the latest PS3 firmware - which had linux stripped from it. This allowed other teams to REALLY explore the PS3 as it was effectively in Debug mode and the rest is history - all the CFW stuff that's going around now came as a result of this.So it was a pointless move, the cat was out of the bag and rather than just patch the flaw, Sony removed Linux and pissed off a lot of people, giving them a "valid, righteous" reason to push further into the PS3 and unlock as much as they could. The original Geohot exploit never really got that much attention and probably would have died down if Sony had just left well enough alone.

Of course, that's all the official reason. The real reason was probably just to save money. Less support costs, less development costs, less testing costs, etc.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914064)

I'm not a PS3 owner but I noticed that there seemed to be no hacks for the PS3 (that I heard of anyway), and I assumed that was because having Linux was "good enough" for most people. I recall hearing about hacks shortly after hearing about Linux removal, and I assume the two were related.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913724)

It is a bit of both.

Idiots weren't happy with the Linux playground they were given to them, no, they wanted more, they wanted to break through the hypervisor.
Well, they managed to get more privileges.

Sony, not giving enough resources for the project as it was, decided to get rid of it entirely.
This was retarded on their part because they could have just as easily silently patched anything they were using.
But no, they announced to the whole world they were removing the feature, so people never updated and that was Sony screwed.

Everybody always blames Sony for the wrongdoing, but it was the stupid hackers who made the first move.
They were the ones who destroyed it for all of us. You idiots couldn't be happy with the OtherOS feature, you had to wreck everything.
Now look what you kidiots done. Screw every single one of you who contributed to it. (especially you, Hotz, worst one of all, never seen such a stupidly big attention whore of a hacker in my life, not to mention childish in mentality, can't believe he thought he could take down Sony with donations)
I don't care if people were doing it for good reasons, for every good use of an object, there are equal numbers of bad uses. And the bad uses tend to outnumber the good ones.

And before anyone even bothers, don't give me the "it is my device" argument, I will destroy it.
The moment you use other peoples media on that device, it stops being yours to do whatever you want with it.
Don't give me "the law is wrong, waaah, let me share stuff, I'm cheap", grow up, get a damn job, stop wasting money on crap, whatever.
You'll not get anywhere sitting around in your room, masturbating to your ability to copy files and complaining at me on Slashdot, or anywhere else for that matter.
If you want change, get off your asses and educate people. Same goes for all you other idiots who complain at ISPs abusing people, or copyright law, or hell, inconsistent laws relating to nudity.
Until then, stop whining.
The childishness of all the moaning actually hurts my head. If you people had a brain you could do a lot. (hell, look at Anonymous... sometimes)

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913904)

> for every good use of an object, there are equal numbers of bad uses.

Okay, so #(good uses) == #(bad uses)

> And the bad uses tend to outnumber the good ones

Okay, so #(bad uses) > #(good uses)

I'm confused now.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (4, Funny)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913918)

Idiots weren't happy with the Linux playground they were given to them, no, they wanted more, they wanted to break through the hypervisor. Well, they managed to get more privileges.

I understand a talking snake and a naked chick was involved somewhere, and something about Apple. A lot has been lost in translation, apparently.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35914022)

Wow, a little full of yourself eh.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913760)

If you look at Groklaw, Sony did admit that it was costly to maintain.

And no, Other OS cannot be used to play copied PS3 games because a) one must emulate all 8 cores, 1 of which is purely dedicated to console security measures, and b) Other OS was designed so someone could turn their PS3 into a computer. It would not have access to the PS3 firmware and software that was installed. Each would be independent.

Sony was annoyed at the Air Force's use of their PS3's since they were losing money on the consoles anyway. 2000+ consoles that no games were purchased for = thousands upon thousands of lost dollars. They used "security" as a scare tatic for the courts to allow them to remove the function. This was a decision made by SCEA, not the actual Sony Hardware Division in Japan that allowed this to happen. Corporate greed trumps quality yet again.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913922)

Sony gets a cut from the games sold. Sony would therefore like it if people buy lots of games, and particularly would not like it if they buy a console to get a powerful graphics processor for their own purposes, and particularly not 1760 of them in order to build a high-performance cluster [physorg.com] . (For the military to do something as unorthodox as using gaming consoles for serious computing probably means that it must be significantly cheaper this way.)

The claims about hacking and piracy and so on are shaky, and the real reason is more than likely to protect their own business model.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (3, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913988)

I've been looking around a bit, but I haven't been able to find a good explanation to why Sony is removing the feature in the first place.

Does it allow hacking the console? Does it cost too much to maintain? Anyone knows?

It became an attack vector to break the hypervisor and gain control of the box. Other OS was entirely absent from the slim models, probably as a cost saving measure.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35914054)

Sony sells the PS3 at a loss. Customers buying lots of PS3s to run Linux-based grid computers were costing Sony big money, so they broke laws to remove the function. It'll be cheaper for them to weather the fallout than to leave the function in.

Re:Why is it being removed in the first place? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914196)

Does it allow hacking the console?

Yes, and this is the excuse Sony apologists have been using for its removal.

Does it cost too much to maintain?

In a sense, yes: people who use OtherOS are far less likely to buy games for the PS3, and so Sony does not get as much money from game publishers. This is probably the real reason Sony wanted to remove OtherOS, and the hacking incident was just a convenient excuse for doing so.

Good move (4, Insightful)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913590)

That's should stop a lot of companies from removing features at will..

Re:Good move (2)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913634)

If Amazon, Apple and Sony get the message this would take care of a hefty share of offenders.

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913644)

Just curious, can you give examples for Amazon's and Apple's removed features?

Re:Good move (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913666)

1984, faggot!

Re:Good move (2)

gerddie (173963) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913702)

Don't know about Apple, but Amazon deleted books [nytimes.com] at the kindle after people bought them, but at least they refunded the money and they also said they wouldn't do it any more [informationweek.com] .

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913650)

I don't know. Finland has what, 6 million inhabitants? How many of them bought PS3s? How many PS3s were sold worldwide?

If you assume a target market of, say, one billion possible buyers worldwide, compared to Finland's six million (seems fair enough - the USA, Canada, the EU, Japan and East Asia, Australia/NZ etc., ...), then that's about 0.6%. So it's fair to assume that 0.6% of all PS3s sales took place in Finland, too. Now assume that this actually goes through and that every last Finnish PS3 buyer actually collects their 100 EUR; globally, that boils down to 0.60 EUR per PS3 sold, then.

60 cents. Is that enough to make Sony (or any company) think twice next time?

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913756)

Finland is a member of EU. With any luck it will apply to all of EU.

Re:Good move (1)

Chatterton (228704) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914086)

Each eu country is autonomous for its own laws except if a law come from the eu. But this could send some ideas to other consumer organisation thru eu... I hope so.

Re:Good move (1)

nbetcher (973062) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913658)

Sorry to sound like part of the problem than the solution, but this ruling means little since it's unlikely to go any further than Finland. In the places that matter the most to this particular ruling (i.e. the places with the highest PS3 ownership), it's doubtful that Sony will have troubles paying off the judges either directly or indirectly (i.e. campaign funds to pro-business politicians). I applaud the Finnish though - definitely what I wish the US was.

Re:Good move (2)

Xelios (822510) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913732)

It's not even a ruling, it's a 'suggestion' from a government consumer rights watchdog that has no legal power by itself. Courts in Finland will take it into consideration, but nothing's been legally decided yet.

Re:Good move (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913800)

In my experience (as a Finn) both small and large companies follow their "suggestions" without even complaining. I don't know why they have such power, it could be a desire to avoid getting on their public "blacklist" or maybe courts are very likely to come to the same conclusion. For instance, I got a washing machine replaced five years after the two-year-warranty had expired simply because I mentioned that I'll contact the consumer rights authorities, if they don't at least don't give me a substantial discount on a new one. I had a recollection, which turned out to be correct, that consumer rights authorities have guidelines for how long certain products are expected to last so that they at least function reasonably well. A warranty by manufacturers is only seen as an extension of what is required. That is, a warranty guarantees flawless operation whilst consumer rights authorities decide how long it's reasonable to be able to use a product you've bought. Once I also found an interesting statement by the consumer rights authorities, they said that you can essentially tell software companies to take their EULAs and shove them. So whenever I have a problem with a product I've bought, I certainly don't hesitate to contact them because companies do respect their decisions.

Re:Good move (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913894)

That's should stop a lot of companies from removing features at will..

Sorry if this sounds like a flame but are you insane or obtuse? All this will do is jack up the price of consoles, dev licenses and games, so that games companies can cover their losses when forced to pay punitive damages.

Re:Good move (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914030)

Effectively shooting themselves in the foot as people move to XBox?

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35914190)

Says something when Microsoft is the least Big Brother of all the console makers.

Re:Good move (1)

Posting=!Working (197779) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914134)

If this costs Sony a ton of money, then the console makers will stay far away from ever trying this sort of blatant, anti-consumer, post-purchase downgrade again.

Jacking up the price of the consoles and games will just make people not buy them. They can't just charge whatever they want, that's not how economics works. Jacking up developer licenses would cause the console to die entirely as new games would be few and far between.

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35914012)

No it won't - it will cause companies to think long andhard when thinking about what features to include when something comes out. They will now think about what controllers to allow, etc, etc, and effectively lock down the systems even more so retards like the Fin government won't have anyplace to go.

Re:Good move (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914182)

Or adding features.... It could go both ways.

Hrm, hem, delish! (-1, Troll)

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Laura let go of my hand and walked over to the bed. She was putting a little extra sway into her hips and her ass looked delicious in the black thong. Stopping at t

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the side of the bed Laura bent over and began swinging her ass back and forth showing it off for me. Then standing up she turned and lied back on the bed. As I watched Laura hooked her fingers into the thong then after easing it off her

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r hips put her legs straight up in the air and sensually slid the thong up her legs before bending her knees and kicking it off. Laura then allowed her legs to spread open giving me a full view of he

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er glistening pussy. Propping herself up on her elbows Laura beckoned me over with her finger. As I approached the bed she made a noise of appreciation in her throat then said; "See

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now that's what youth is for." I looked down and realized my cock was already rising again. I walked up to the bed and Laura pointed at the floor. I obediently got down on my knees between her legs. I was going to go right af

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fter her pussy but remembering to be patient I leaned in and wrapping my arms around her waist took the initiative and kissed her. Unlike the crazed kiss on the ouch I kissed her softly and slowly, sliding my lips back and forth across her

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rs and gently teasing her lips with my tongue. I was rewarded with a happy little sigh as Laura put her arms around my shoulders and softly returned my kisses. We kissed for quite awhi

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ile our hands wandering, hers over my shoulders and back, mine down her sides and across her breasts. I broke the kiss and slid my lips down her neck. I went further down kissing her chest between her tits then starting with

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the left slowly swirled my tongue around each hard nipple. Laura moaned softly and started playing with my hair. I finished with her nipp

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ples and sitting back on my knees trailed my tongue down her soft stomach. When I reached the bottom of her stomach I gently pushed against her shoulder.

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. Taking the hint Laura lied back and lifted her legs, placing her soft feet on my shoulders. Forcing myself to take my time I kissed the inside of each of her thighs and was thrilled t

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to feel them trembling in anticipation. With an act of will I ran my tongue up each side of the crease between her upper thigh and pussy. The moan I received was more than a reward for my patience ho

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owever. Finally taking my fingers I spread her pussy open lightly, and blew on her clit. When Laura made me even harder moaning; "Oh please Kev, please lick my pussy

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I need it soooo bad!" How could I say no to that? I eagerly plunged my tongue directly into her steaming pussy and began working it in and out quickly. As I continued with my tongue I used the tip of my finger to teasingl

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ly caress her swollen clit. "ohhh look at you tongue fucking me, ohhhh." Laura moaned. At the words tongue fucking I moaned myself goddamn this woman was hot! After a few more thrusts of my tongue I couldn't wait any longer and slid

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ding my tongue up the length of her sopping wet pussy started flicking it across her clit. Laura gasped as a shudder went through her body. I took her clit into he

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er mouth, and started sucking it in and out. I slid first one then two fingers into her pussy and as she groaned started pumping them timing it to the rhythm of my mouth. "Ohh someone taught you well." Laura gasped. I started speeding up then s

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slowing down. Twice I caught her on the edge stopping just in time to slow her down. Laura didn't complain just lied there moaning. I Looked up and saw that she was playing with her nipples the sight made my

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cock throb even more. Oh I was going to fuck the shit out of her I thought. I was speeding up again when Laura started driving me even wilder; "You like that Kev? You like li

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icking my pussy?" "Oh yeah." "Then tell me. Don't be shy." "I like licking..." I stopped as she grabbed the back of my head by my hair. "Like? Like is how you describe cereal. Don't be a kid Kev be a man. And use my name when you

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u tell me how much you're enjoying it." Okay if that's what she wants who am I to deny her? "I love sucking your hot pussy Laura." I told her replacing my tongue with my thumb on her clit as I spoke. "I love licking that sw

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weet little clit." "Ohhh that's so much better." On that note I started sucking her clit harder and faster than before. Laura was moaning louder than ever and her hips were thrusting into my face. I hesitated I wanted to us

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se my best trick but... No she said treat her like any other. Laura was getting closer, she was thrusting harder and her fingers were furiously working her nipples. I sucked her clit hard into my mouth then holding it there swirle

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ed my tongue. Then quickly before I could change my mind I slid my left hand back and pushed my middle finger into her ass. Laura came like a wildcat. She

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had still been holding my hair and used it to hold my face into her fiercely thrusting hips. Her thighs wrapped around my face and she let out a noise that was somewhere between a squeal and a wail. Her pussy gushed

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in my face and I did find myself getting a face full as I continued to suck her clit. "Oh my fucking god!" Laura cried out. Her body continued to spasm in what was the longest hardest orgasm I had ever seen. Her hips finally start

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ted to slow down and she let go of my hair. With a long drawn out moan Laura dropped her legs off of my shoulders and lied there panting. I stopped licking her clit and looked at her dripping pussy. Remembering

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what she had said I looked up at her and smiled; "Now who made a mess? That's okay I'll get it." With that I started licking her pussy from top to bottom

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m lapping up as much of her juices as I possibly could. Laura's hips pumped again and she let out a whimper that made me realize how damn ha

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ard I was. I couldn't wait any longer. Fuck her like I would anyone else I told myself. Without waiting for her to take the lead I stood up, grabbed her ankles,

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, and holding her legs up slammed my cock into the wettest pussy I had ever felt. "Oh yes!!!" Laura screamed ,and scream was the word. I found myself wond

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dering if the neighbors could here this? Once again Laura took my mind off of everything else; "Oh yes Kev give it to me! Slam that fucking pussy!" That's exactly what I was doin

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ng I had her legs high enough that her hips were off the bed and I was driving my cock into her as hard as I could. Laura was so wet every thrust caused a wet smacking sound. I was slamming her so hard her tits were bouncing back and forth, but what

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t had my eye was Laura's face. Her head was back, her eyes closed and her mouth wide open as a series of loud yelps were coming from her with every thrust of my harder than ever cock. "Yeah you like that?" I asked her all

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inhibitions gone "No, I love it!" She cried out. "I fucking love you pounding my pussy with that big fucking cock!" "Good," I told

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her. "Because I love doing it, I love hearing you scream while I fuck the shit out of you!" "Yeah? You love it you dirty boy? You love fucking your mother?" That

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got my attention. I slowed up a minute and Laura looked me in the eye. "Doesn't matter what you call me Kev, you're fucking your mother and your loving it!" She let out another loud squeal as I shifted my hands from her ankle

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es to wrapping my arms around her thighs lifting her higher. She continued to surprise me as her fingers reached down and she started stroking her own clit. "That's okay though you know why? Because you're mother f

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fucking loves it! Because she needs it! Oh yeah baby your mother needs that hard fucking cock buried in her pussy oh yeah she does!!" As twisted as all this sounde

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ed it was driving me wild. I had never fucked a woman this hard. I was rearing all the way back driving every inch of my cock in and ou

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ut of her. All the while Laura was talking trash and playing with her clit. "Yeah you bad boy shoving you're finger up your mothers ass making her cum in your fucking face oh you bad boyy

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yyyy!" with that I felt her pussy begin to convulse around my cock. Laura let out another incredibly loud wail as her eyes rolled back in her head and her bod

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dy went through its third orgasm in the last hour. I slowed up my slamming of her just a little as her orgasm finished. Then leaning over bent her legs back and started going harder. "Ohhhh," Laura moaned, "Oh y

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you're so fucking deep!" She looked up at me as she spoke, Laura was sweating, her hair stuck to her neck and parts of her cheeks. Her cheeks themselves were flushed from the heat and the orgasms. God she looked beautiful I thought. "Like fucking me

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don't you?" "Oh yeah I do." I got out in between gasps, I was starting to get close myself. "Stop." Laura said. As much as I didn't want to I did, although I did keep my cock inside o

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of her. "This isn't how you thought of it. Is it Kev?" At first I wasn't sure what she meant. Laura smirked at me. "Isn't there a way you'd rather fuck me Kev

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v? You know maybe with my ass in the air? That ass that you've been ogling for months now?" "Oh hell yeah!" I panted. "Then ask me." "Laura would you please get on your

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knees so I can fuck you doggy style?" "That was nice Kev." She told me as she slid herself back off my cock and further back onto the bed. "Now tell me why." "So I can see that hot little ass pointed right at me whil

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le I grab your hips and make you scream." "Oooh," She cooed. "Is that anyway to talk to your mother?" "No, but I bet that slut named Laura loves bei

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ing treated that way." I told her. "Ain't that the truth!" With that Laura rolled over and after getting on her hands and knees lowered herself onto a pillow pushing her ass up towards me. I all but jumped onto the bed to kneel behin

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nd her. Taking my cock I spent a minute teasing the two of us by rubbing it up and down her pussy then keeping the tip right at her pussy grabbed Laura's hips and slammed my prick into her tight

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t little box. "Oh fuck yeah!!" Laura cried out as I began pumping in and out. I went slow for the first minute or so giving myself a chance to enjoy it as I knew

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I wouldn't last long after the fucking from before. "Oh don't tease Kev you can take me like this again later, hell you can take me all weekend!" That was it! No holding back now I started slamming her so hard it made ear

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rlier seem like we were making love. Laura was wailing nonstop now as using her hips, I was shoving her in and out against my thrusts pounding her even harder. Laura's back was glistening with sweat and her long hair was fann

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ned out across it, Unable to help myself- I mean at this point what did it matter- I reached out and grabbed a handful of her hair, not really pulling it but just holding it. "Ohh you bad, bad boy!" Laura exc

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claimed. "And you're a bad girl." I told her. "Then give me what I gave you when you were bad." Once again with no hesitation I gave her ass a quick slap. "Oh come on Kev." I slapped her harder this time leaving a red mark on her

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right ass cheek. "That's better now just fuck me!" I shifted my hands from her hips to her still narrow waist, and really let loose. I'm a pretty strong guy and I could not believe how much she was taking. I'd have sent Jenny ho

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ome crying by now. "Oh you like my ass in the air don't you?" "Yes oh yes!" I groaned out. "Yeah you love fucking me doggy style?" "Oh god yeah." "Yeah you like fucking your mother Kev?"

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" "I love fucking Laura." I replied. I was getting close I started fucking even faster slamming my hips into her so hard I was going to have bruises tomorrow. "I want you to tell me you

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love fucking your mother Kevin." At that I slowed down a little, was she kidding? "Just once Kevin just say it once, and it will be Laura

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a from now on but I want to hear it." "O-okay." I said and resumed fucking her. Before I could try she added; "If you say it right I'll let you cum on my tits. Now go ahead and do as your mother tells you." I resumed slamming the shit out of

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f her waiting until I was just about ready to say it so I wouldn't back down. After several more hard slams I closed my eyes and said; "I love it! I love

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fucking my hot mother, I loved watching her suck my cock and I'm going to love cumming all over her tits I.. oh oh!" Feeling the

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e cum racing through my cock I pulled it out and squeezed the head hard. Rolling over into a sitting position Laura held both her tits up framing them with her red nails. With a loud cry of my own I let my cock g

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go and watched as the first tremendous spurt hit her right tit so hard it splattered I moved my cock so the second hit the left one. I continued to jerk another spurt hit right in between then Laura gave me one mor

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re treat; "Go ahead shoot the rest on my face, like you know you want to." I pointed my cock up and the last couple of shots hit her cheek and her lips. I leaned

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d back and rested my hands on my knees totally spent. Or so I thought. Laura immediately put her mouth on my cock and began sucking. I had just cum and was so sensitive it was driving through the roof. "No stop! Please!" I told her. Laura pus

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shed me hard causing me to fall onto my back on the bed. Before I could move she swung her leg over my hips and drove herself down onto my still hard cock. "Oh god!" I moaned. Laura instantly started bucking up and down hard driving herself o

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on and off of my cock. The head still felt like a raw nerve and my hips were bucking but in an attempt to pull out. Laura had me pinned however, her fingernails were digging into my chest and she was pushing into me causi

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ing me to bounce up and down off the bed and into her hips. "Oh please." I cried out. "I can't again!" "Oh yes you can!" Laura said somehow finding a way to start riding me even harder. "Oh that's right you can! That y

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young hard cock has one more load for it's hot Laura doesn't it baby?" To my surprise I could feel myself getting ready. I was sweating like a pig and totally exhausted but Laura was riding me like a porn star. She was leaning o

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over and all that was visible through her sweat soaked hair was her lust crazed blue eyes staring straight into mine. "Yeah that's right baby you cum again for me! You want more of this pussy? You show me why I should give it to you. Sho

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ow me how much you have for your hot little cougar." I let out a pathetic whimper as she pushed herself up on her knees and drove down even harder her ass slamming into my hips.

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. "Oh yeah, I.. oh..." With a sense of relief I felt myself begin to cum and was surprised by how hard I did. Laura cried out; "Oh that's right I knew you

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u had more for me!" Laura stopped bouncing and I could feel her pussy clenching around my cock milking every last drop out of it. When she was done she leaned over and kissed

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d me sweetly on the lips then rolled off of me and onto her back. Where after a moment she let out a long sigh and said; "Damn I haven't had it that good in years!" "I don't think I ever had it th

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hat good." I told her honestly as I lied there panting. "Well we'll work on seeing if we can do better." My eyes widened. "Really?" "Damn

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Kev you think I'm going to let this be a onetime thing?" She rolled over onto her side. "Kev, roll over so you can look at me." I turned over onto my

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y side so we were facing each other. "Okay listen." She said. "I think we both know that this whole thing seems very wrong but I also think that neither one of us c

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cares. Why don't we? Well once again who cares? We don't tell anyone and we just enjoy okay?" "Whatever you say Ma, Laura I mean..." She laughed at me. "Seeing as were nake

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ed in bed its Laura okay? It will be Laura anytime we do this, which for the record will be weekends only got it?" "Um I guess." "You come looking any other night I'll toss you out of the room okay?" "Um have

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e you been thinking about this?" I asked her. " I have quite a bit actually. Remember the most important thing is it's always Laura on the

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e weekends so it doesn't seem so weird." "Yeah but you wanted me to call you mom." I pointed out. "And you kept saying it." To my surprise she blushed. Then sighed and said. "Okay Kev I owe y

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you the truth. When I first saw that site I was pretty disgusted. I was going to get you to counseling, then I read a couple of the stories then a few more. Next thing you know I was reading them at work, and playing with myself at night to them. It's

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what made me want to try so just once I wanted to hear what it sounded like." She smiled tiredly shaking her head. "Truth is it was a hell of dirty turn on but let's keep it at Laura. I mean that's if you want to again." "How could I not I mean Jesus

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your hot Laura." I blushed a little myself as I added. "Best lay I ever had that's for damn sure." "Good." Laura stretched, and I

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I was once again amazed at how lean and tight her body was, how good her tits still looked. Not that there was a chance of me getting it up again but I still couldn't stop looking. "Well that wore this girl out." Laura said and tur

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rning on the bed put her head on the pillow and pulling the sheet up slid her legs underneath them. "Um okay." I said. "I guess I'll go to

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o my room." I began to get up, but Laura grabbed my arm. "Where you going Kev?" "I just said I'll go..." "Would you leave any other hot woman alone in her bed?" "Well no." Laura smiled and lifting up the sheet tapped the bed next to her. "Then get o

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over here and cuddle up with me." I lied down on my back next to her and Laura slid up next to me putting her head on my chest and her arm across my waist. She sighed contentedly. "Isn't this better?" She asked. I have to say it felt pretty

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damn good as long as I pictured it being Laura whose tits were pressed into my side and whose bare leg was draped across mine. I closed my eyes and also sighed. The air conditioning was on high and now that we weren't

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fucking the room was pleasantly cool and God knew I was pretty worn out. "Besides," Laura said. "How can I wake you up by sucking your cock if you're in the other room?" She giggled then said; "Sweet dreams Kev." That had been a month and a half ago a

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and since then we've gone at it like it's a sporting event from Friday to Sunday. To the point where I'm not even looking for a girlfriend, and if I do meet someone I'll tell them I'm not available on the weekends. Mom recently met someone and only

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sees them on weeknights claiming she works Friday through Sunday. Fact is we both love it! The two of us have better sex then I co

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ould have ever imagined, and after the first couple of weeks Laura even started dressing up and playing, everything from cheer leader outfits to a naughty nurse. Thing

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gs like that make the week drag it's not just the sex but what the next game will be. The sound of a car door slamming in the driveway snapped me out of my day dream. I immediately sat up to face the front door. A

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moment later my heart began to pound in anticipation as the door opened and Laura came in. She was dressed in the long overcoat she wore in the fall and all I could see was pair of heeled black boo

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ots. "I know I'm late." She said coming over to stand before me. "That's okay." I told her. I went to reach for her but she stepped back. "Well if it's any consolation it wasn't because of work." "No?" "No I thought I would pick up a little somethi

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ing for us." With that Laura undid the coat letting it drop to the floor. I think my jaw landed there first. The boots were thigh high, and all she had been wearing under the coat was a black leather thong and matching bra. "What do you

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u think Kevin?" Laura asked as she sank down on her knees in front of me. I smiled "Thank God it's Friday."

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Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (4, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913642)

Because most techie types simply will refuse to buy it. Anything Sony has a bad smell about it now and that won't change anytime soon. Sure, techies may only be a small percentage of total buyers but even if its only 1 or 2% thats still a lot of sales money for Sony to lose to its competitors.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (2)

Tangential (266113) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913688)

Indeed.

I haven't bought any Sony branded equipment since 2005 when it was revealed that they believed that rootkit'ing their customers was a valid business practice.

It's about time that a company as overtly evil as Sony gets it comeupance.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913736)

Yeah, but we techies are also the ones who write the reviews other ppl read before they buy!
 
Our numbers may be small, but we carry a BIG STICK.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (1)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913740)

Techies may one be a very small percentage of Sonys base customers, however, I've noticed as a group that when they talk loudly and badly enough about stuff, it eventually gets through to the masses, witness the falling market share of Internet Explorer if you doubt what Im saying. The masses tend to listen to techies....when they talk about tech, because the masses *don't* know any better.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (1)

rvw (755107) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913912)

Techies may one be a very small percentage of Sonys base customers, however, I've noticed as a group that when they talk loudly and badly enough about stuff, it eventually gets through to the masses, witness the falling market share of Internet Explorer if you doubt what Im saying. The masses tend to listen to techies....when they talk about tech, because the masses *don't* know any better.

Techies might have a bigger impact on browser use than on game console preferences. It's very simple. As a "techie", I configured my parents PC, and have set Firefox as default browser. They don't know better. I do the same with every other PC I install, for someone who doesn't know 0 from 1 in tech-country.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913952)

Techies might have a bigger impact on browser use than on game console preferences. It's very simple. As a "techie", I configured my parents PC, and have set Firefox as default browser. They don't know better. I do the same with every other PC I install, for someone who doesn't know 0 from 1 in tech-country.

Funny you say that. When I work on someone's computer and they ask, "what are you doing?" -- I always say (jokingly, of course), "It doesn't matter. I'll make it sound so technical that you'll have no choice to believe everything I say!".

Of course though, I do throughly explain what I'm really doing.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913826)

Yeah, we've been hearing about how Sony is going to collapse for dozens of reasons that would make "techie types" take their dollars elsewhere. It hasn't happened before and it won't happen now because the masses don't really give a fuck. Feel free to separate yourself from their tech all you want but Sony isn't going to crumble because some geeks get their panties in a bunch over some technology that 99.8% of all consumers never used. Get use to it.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913836)

I doubt Sony caters to techies. Have you read the comments on their blog post regarding the geohot settlement? They cater to blind fanboys and the mentally handicapped.

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (4, Insightful)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914004)

*grr* I sooo moderated in this, but I couldn't let your comment go to waste.

Sony will get nothing of what I so dearly wish they had coming to them without a huge smack-down from the courts.

A lot of these so-called "techies" have kids, partners or both, who will beg and nag and want PS4 for $LATEST_SHINY_REHASH_OF_GAME.

Have you ever tried to tell your wife she can't have something? Go out and get a wife (or husband, but it's not quite the same) if you don't have one and then try tell them that they can't have something they want. Now imagine that they want it because the kids are dead-set on it. "No! Dear, I run the tech in this house and you are not buying Sony! The foot is down!". Tell me how that works out for you!

Re:Sony will get its comeuppence with the PS4 (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914076)

Yes, Sony should "pay", but with its life.

I agree that the only thing Sony could do that would give it back some credit with the techie types would be to come out with an unlocked, quad-core Android tablet better than the iPad and sell it for $99.

And donate the rights to its entire music catalog to the Electronic Freedom Foundation.

I keep waiting for the Air Force to say something (2)

Tangential (266113) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913648)

They've got 1760 PS3's in a supercomputer cluster (http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html) I wonder what happens there if they ever need an update or want to add more nodes?

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (2)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913672)

They've got 1760 PS3's in a supercomputer cluster (http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html)

I wonder what happens there if they ever need an update or want to add more nodes?

They'll probably just send a few of their planes with big bombs and stuff out (they have them, right?) to circle Sony headquarters until the matter is resolved.

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913698)

We can only HOPE!! 8)

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (4, Insightful)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913716)

Same thing we do with Cisco, Microsoft, RedHat, and any other company we buy things from; we don't buy without a good SLA.

If nodes need to be added, we can get them from Sony with whatever firmware revision we want.

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (1)

Joreallean (969424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913954)

This is why the OtherOS option got removed in the first place. Tell where else you can spend as little as $800,000 or less to have a decryption engine that is probably capable of decrypting even the strongest of keys. Some say that it was a cluster like this that was used to decrypt the Military footage that Wikileaks released and that's why it got killed. The PS3 has a very powerful core when used in a raw unhindered state, especially for the price tag.

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (2)

finkployd (12902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914074)

Tell where else you can spend as little as $800,000 or less to have a decryption engine that is probably capable of decrypting even the strongest of keys.

Not even every PS3 in existence could do this with AES256.

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914024)

Easy, they will buy more machines and install the properly signed software that they wrote with their DECR-1000A workstations. They weren't relying on the crippled OtherOS feature.

Re:I keep waiting for the Air Force to say somethi (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914026)

Well, the PS3 "fats" that supported OtherOS are out of production anyway. I am sure the people who set up the cluster knew that at some point the manufacturer was going to discontinue support for their platform and they had to do everything themselves.

ps3 sold at loss (2)

Jeek Elemental (976426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913700)

sony sells the ps3 at a loss, gambling that game purchases will give profit.
With otheros it was increasingly popular to buy them in bulk and use in clusters, with no game purchases.

Maybe they also ran into licensing issues with the cell chip, if it was used for other than entertainment.

Re:ps3 sold at loss (1)

sergioag (1246996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913856)

then they shouldn't have released the console with the "other os" option in the first place.

Re:ps3 sold at loss (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913976)

sony sells the ps3 at a loss, gambling that game purchases will give profit.

Actually PS3 hasn't been sold at a loss for a long time now. At first it was, yes, but as time passed the parts needed for production of PS3 fat model became cheaper and that's when they weren't no longer sold at a loss. The slim model hasn't been sold at a loss at all.

And as we all know (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913706)

Where Finland leads, the rest of the world is sure to follow.

Re:And as we all know (1)

cyberfin (1454265) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913926)

I surely hope so, even if it is just on a EU level. In fact I would be thrilled this to be put forth to the EU Commission as a violation of consumer rights and confidence. I know there are lots of big companies that have similar practices and I think that they should be made to an example.

Punitive measures please (5, Insightful)

Lemming Mark (849014) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913738)

A very good step in the right direction, compensating consumers who have been misled. However, I really think that what Sony did requires some kind of punishment. Require them to pay punitive damages to consumers, fine them substantially, do something.

Otherwise, what are we saying? That it's OK to forcibly revoke something somebody's bought so long as you pay for the thing you took away? What Sony did was far more akin to old fashioned theft than piracy *ever* has been. Why? Because they're not getting something for free, they're actively depriving others of valuable things they own. They should be punished for this kind of trick (in a way that they'll notice, rather than just writing off as a minor expense) and / or made to restore the functionality.

This doesn't bother as many people as it should - it's niche functionality, so people don't care, apparently it's OK to swindle as long as it's small numbers of people. Wait a few years and see if you find your music or video playback from non-approved disks and memory cards retroactively disabled or your car satnav is disabled because someone found out how to upload non-approved maps. Then see whether the precedents set on this case look like a good thing.

stallman torvalds woz allen smith babys; on to dc (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913824)

cherries, blossoms, all that jazz. pageantry out the nitrogenous waste portal. skipping right over sign of the cross sunday, & moving on to malingerer monday, as time flies now, & we must focus on the images of whois to be the chosen one(s), again, forever, so we know who isn't.

"Sony tried to point out that" (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913830)

"Sony tried to point out that the user agreed to the PS3 EULA, BUT, the consumer board noted that such agreements can't go around consumer laws."

and thats the way how it is, in any decent society based on laws.

however in usa, law, for some reason, can be undone by contracts. and then rabid corporations which get used to this in usa, try to perpetuate the same filth in other countries too, saying that it is 'standard practice' and whatnot.

really. america is producing so much filth in the form of rabid corporations that it suffices for entire world. you people really need to put down the law there. that is, if you can.

Re:"Sony tried to point out that" (0)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35914122)

I think your rampant hate for the US is starting to affect your sanity.

You make it sound as though I can fill up a room with people, force them to all sign on the dotted line and fill the room with nerve gas. Laws cannot be 'undone' by contracts. There are no activities that I am aware (feel free to point out one) that can violate the law when dealing with rights of an individual. I cannot think of a single contract that violates basic human rights. Most of what I see is service limitations and you are fully capable of not buying that product.

This Sony ordeal sucks, and I truly think someone should step up in the US courts, but there simply isn't enough people effected by it to raise that concern and it's not like it's going to kill me to not run Linux on my PS3. I have my other computers to do that. I really only installed Linux on my PS3 because I could, but I never used it.

Re:"Sony tried to point out that" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35914158)

Ahh another foreigner who doesn't know shit about what they're talking about but has all sorts of ideas on how the US can improve their "evil" ways. Grow a fucking brain.

Consult a lawyer before Sony purchase (4, Insightful)

andydread (758754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35913866)

It seems that Sony takes their holy EULA to be the end-all for any legal situation more so than most. I would advise people to seek the advice of legal counsel before purchasing *any* Sony products. Or just simply avoid Sony products all-together. When you look at the history of Sony and the consumer you see that they are consistently hostile towards the consumer. Cracking down on home brew, The wholesale disablement of their customers CD-R Drives on their computers with a rootkit. They also have tried relentlessly to lock people into proprietary technologies and control media standards over the decades. Beta-Max, Memory Stick, Mini-Disc, And finally better success with Blu-Ray. And now draconian legal policies against consumer freedom to tinker with products they bought and share information. At this point avoiding Sony products should be a no-brainer. I for one will advise anyone that mentions the word Sony in my presence to stay far far far away from Sony products.

Re:Consult a lawyer before Sony purchase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35914072)

Unless your lawyer will be able to renegotiate the sony contract for you, don't bother. Any lawyer should tell you not to buy/accept the contract.
Try showing the Microsoft EULA for MS Word and MS Windows to the lawyers in your corporation and see the fun happen :-)

FUCK the EULA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913874)

Companies like Sony think their god damn EULA is a "do what every you want at any time" contract that they can change at will. They try to justify crippling the system that people bought with the EULA...but how many times has Sony changed the stupid EULA this year alone?

Excellent remark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35913900)

(mega)corporations find it harder and harder to understand that national laws trump civil contracts. A reminder every now and then is definitely useful.

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