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Sony Rebuilding PlayStation Network Security After Attack

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the another-brick-in-the-wall dept.

Security 220

alphadogg writes "The outage of Sony's PlayStation Network and Qriocity service, now in its fourth day, looks set to continue after the company said on Sunday that it is 'rebuilding' its system to better guard against attacks. Sony said on Saturday that the outage was caused by an 'external intrusion' into the network, but has yet to detail the problem. The PlayStation Network is used for PlayStation 3 online gaming and sales of software to consoles and the PlayStation Portable. The Qriocity service runs on the same network infrastructure and provides audio and video to Sony consumer electronics products."

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220 comments

What happened? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35923838)

Someone insert a Sony music CD into a computer there?

Obviously... (4, Funny)

msauve (701917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923944)

no backups.

Re:What happened? (3, Funny)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923992)

Comment of the year, thread over, everyone go home.

Re:What happened? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924462)

Too bad it was posted AC! That was a genuinely good one and no one to take credit for it.

Re:What happened? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924550)

There's nothing wrong with altruism.

Re:What happened? (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924664)

Actually PSN is hosted on a PS3 and they need an obscure adapter to get it back online. I'm sure they can just order one up from Lik-Sang...

Re:What happened? (4, Informative)

magamiako1 (1026318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924734)

THey upgraded the firmware on the PS3s and removed the "Other OS" option, crippling the PSN :P

This happens when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35923844)

You say to the public that anonymous increased Sony sales.

Re:This happens when... (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923880)

One gets the feeling that news reports of hacking attempts in the future are going to be ever more surreal

Fuck Geohot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35923856)

Fuck Geohot, fuck failoverflow and fuck the assholes who released rebug. Had Sony sent a couple a guys armed with Barrett M82s to Geohot's house back then we would not have these problems now. Fucking assholes, I hope all of you get shot in the head with a sniper rifle!

Re:Fuck Geohot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35923946)

Awww poor little fanboy can't play his games?

Sony brought this upon themselves. Go outside and play.

Re:Fuck Geohot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924078)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhaahahahahaha ha ha!

In your face!

GeoHot is my hero for making you loose it like that and getting to read about it on the internet.

Re:Fuck Geohot (4, Insightful)

NoAkai (2036200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924124)

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why gamers will never be taken seriously. This attitude of "Fuck rights! I want mah GAEMS!" that has been displayed by many gamers during the entire GeoHot Vs Sony episode has me seriously perplexed.

Re:Fuck Geohot (3, Insightful)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924218)

Whose right to what is being protected by this attack?

Re:Fuck Geohot (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924422)

Since when was Geohot or failoverflow responsible for this attack?

Re:Fuck Geohot (2)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925292)

Well, certainly not GeoHot's right to not be falsely accused for this.

Re:Fuck Geohot (2)

man_the_king (1139561) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924448)

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why gamers will never be taken seriously. This attitude of "Fuck rights! I want mah GAEMS!" that has been displayed by many gamers during the entire GeoHot Vs Sony episode has me seriously perplexed.

I find it really telling that the people who post such things like the tripe quoted here feel that only THEY have rights - the rights of normal gamers is just collateral damage [softpedia.com]

Re:Fuck Geohot (3, Insightful)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924938)

You've got to be kidding me. GeoHot and fail0verflow uncovered security flaws, and some pathetic gamer responds that they should be shot in the head. Sony was the one to act like a bunch of Gestapo in response to the security flaws. GeoHot and fail0verflow are not responsible for any attacks on Sony's network.

The parent poster also said nothing about supporting attacks on Sony's network, and Anonymous has disavowed that this is their doing. For all anybody knows, Sony is having trouble of their own making and blaming it on outside parties.

Re:Fuck Geohot (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925056)

Oh, so the rights of people like geohot should become collateral damage, in deference to the rights of gamers?

Dude, you're simply caught in a crossfire. And, it wasn't the hackers who started the fracas, it was Sony. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Re:Fuck Geohot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924808)

You're perplexed that a group which consists primarily of children and average Joe gamers lack the intelligence to understand all the issues at hand?

Re:Fuck Geohot (2)

milkmage (795746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924436)

Sony is responsbile for that drama. They can't fix the consoles now that the key is out. They should have just kept quiet and banned the consoles that were not running the official Sony software (or using cheats). This whole thing would have never happened if they just stayed low key. instead they take him to court, confiscate his shit and send C&D's to anyone who posted the key which caused the Anon response.

Sony overreacted.. and they know it.. else they wouldn't have settled out of court.

Re:Fuck Geohot (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924616)

Their "overreaction" is the same for any company. Why is Sony treated differently? Remember, they are a conglomerate. Their games division is not affiliated with their music/movie division, and their electronics division isn't affiliated either (beyond interoperability between consoles and TVs.) Which is why you can see products one division makes diametrically opposed to other divisions' stated goals. Sometimes they converge (minidisc, at least the consumer edition), but most of the time they're separate.

This sort of thing happens in large companies. To seemingly justify the Anonymous response as "Sony's fault" ignores the other companies doing the exact same things to gamers and users. Selective activism is nothing more than fanboyism taken to its logical absurdity. You can't have a position and attempt to influence others to take it if you don't apply it evenly. (and I am referring to Anonymous and those who think Sony's more evil than Microsoft or Apple.) Hating one company's actions while buying "ooh shiny!" from another company doing the same exact thing is nothing more than old fashioned hypocrisy.

Their settlement out of court had little to do with anything regarding their reaction. We don't know the real reasoning. (And never will, unless we go into Geohot's head or Sony's hive mind.)

Re:Fuck Geohot (3, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925092)

"Their "overreaction" is the same for any company."

Intentionally or not, you have posted a falsehood. You need look no further than Bill Gates to prove that. Allow me to quote or misquote him:

"We would rather have them pirating our operating system, than using the competition's operating system!" Microsoft can and will go after business concerns for piracy, but they do not prosecute Random Joe Hacker.

Re:Fuck Geohot (3, Insightful)

milkmage (795746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925210)

what does Apple do to jailbreakers? nothing.
what does MS do to non commercial pirates? nothing. (except for the genuine advantage check)
what does Bilzzard/Activation do to WoW cheaters? ban/suspend account and associated credit cards.
what does MS do the XBLA cheaters? ban account/console

Sony is doing what the RIAA/MPAA does (maybe because they members of both?)

software piracy has been around long before music/movie piracy - i can't rememer a single incident where software companies filed john does against everyone they THOUGHT stole something.

they settled because:
1) the PR shitstorm
2) economic impact (they can't undo the damage - their resources are best spend mitigating it - ban the consoles and credit cards
3) weak case - it's not clear (to me) that GeoHot did anything against their TOS. which clause was violated? win or lose the lawsuit the key is still out there. why did the EFF coume out AGAINST Sony? http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/sony-v-hotz-sony-sends-dangerous-message [eff.org]

i say again - by doing what they did, they brought this on themselves.

Re:Fuck Geohot (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925334)

How about fuck you, people who lump GeoHot, failoverflow with Anonymous, who lump people who want to modify their hardware with people who hack networks and cheat without any proof, who want people arrested and killed for such mundane things as wanting to modify their own console, and OTHERS taking those tools and abusing it.

Fuck you, and assholes like you.

Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Decessus (835669) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923860)

Is any of this the result of Sony's PSN being a free service? Could something like this happen just as easily on Xbox Live, or would it be more difficult since they charge for the service and are therefore able to put more money into it?

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (-1, Flamebait)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923928)

That's absolutely batshit retarded. PSN is a robust user network which has had extremely low problems in the past and has the entire finances of SCEA behind it. The only thing Xbox LIVE gives you over PSN is cross game voice chat and users dumb enough to pay 50 a year for the service. That's like saying that VISA didn't have enough finances behind it to avoid ANONYMOUS's attacks.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35923998)

Yea yea robust, 4 days straight downtime, i wonder who the dumb guy around here is.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924048)

XBox live was down for two weeks straight in 2007

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924230)

Naturally, everyone was pleased when Microsoft reimbursed their users for the downtime of their service which they paid for. Right?

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35925386)

The less than $2? I didn't call and ask, but some people did and got it fine. I just took the free copy of Undertow (~$10 game). Plus, a month earlier they had a free copy of Carcassonne. So, eh, I really didn't mind.

Has Sony promised to compensate PSN Plus members yet?

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924278)

Not the person who has been using PSN free of charge since 2008. Namely, me.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924054)

The only thing Xbox LIVE gives you over PSN is cross game voice chat and users dumb enough to pay 50 a year for the service.

That and official game development by small, home-based teams. Xbox 360 has it; PS3 and Wii don't.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924098)

That and official game development by small, home-based teams. Xbox 360 has it; PS3 and Wii don't.

which is cool, but only if you don't have to pay to develop for it.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924244)

What argument could you possibly make that it should be free?

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925058)

What argument could you possibly make that it should be free?

1. It would be incredibly good PR for them that might actually help them build a strong indy developer community. A Community that would grow and learn the sony tools, instilling brand loyalty in the next generation of developers.

2. It would be cool.

App Hub is cheaper than leasing an office (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925280)

Even at $99 per year, App Hub is already good PR for Microsoft, compared to Nintendo which flatly rejects all home-based businesses and Sony whose developer relations web site isn't even responding. Likewise, the iPhone Developer Program at $99 per year was good PR compared to what came before it, namely the headaches of BREW.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925390)

i believe consoles have it ass-backwards. i think their licensed development model, in its entirety, is retarded. i say we let consumers pay full price for the hardware and not have developers subsidize them. then, we just let anyone develop for them. it would seem that the established publishing houses would not like that very much. if we can blur the lines between pc and consoles going one way, why not the other way, too? would you prefer os vendors to start charging development fees? goose, gander, etc.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924104)

You're right. I forgot all about that. Totally worth 50 dollars a year for the privilege for paying more for those games.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924202)

Cross-game chat, cross-game invites, parties, size-limited differential patches (yay, let's wait an hour while my console game patches?), and a Microsoft-enforced consistent UI including links into the dashboard (e.g. I can see leaderboards without even starting a game)? And that's not even listing other Xbox niceties that come along with it (dashboard music player available in all games, non-braindead store interface, indie games, etc.).

I'm so sorry my personal preference insults you so much.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924248)

All of which amount to 50 dollars of value before they allow you to buy anything. I hope you enjoy it. I'm enjoying my PS3 exclusive games which work sans PSN just fine.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924284)

Which are great, but I like to play multiplayer games, and party mode + cross-game chat is terrific for that. Like I said, personal preference. Doesn't make me dumb.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924338)

Fair enough, dumb was the wrong word. Sorry. Woefully willing to shell out cash for features which Sony can't reproduce because Microsoft doesn't want to give up its cash cow, is better verbage.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924434)

Woefully willing to shell out cash for features which Sony can't reproduce because Microsoft doesn't want to give up its cash cow, is better verbage.

What? Sony can't reproduce them because they haven't reserved enough PPE time and memory for them (that is, for cross-game chat and parties), or because they just haven't chosen to (most of the others). What does that have to do with Microsoft? Why are you so bloody defensive? I like to play games one way, you like to play them another way.

You also don't need to pay the $50/y to buy games, or to play anything but online games, despite your apparent assertion to the contrary.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (4, Insightful)

RobbieCrash (834439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924396)

The only thing Xbox LIVE gives you over PSN is cross game voice chat and users dumb enough to pay 50 a year for the service.

Looks like Live is also currently offering service to its customers.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924490)

That's right because you can blame them for being under an external attack. One that Microsoft is COMPLETELY immune from. If this however, turns out to be an attempt to revamp security as a method to prevent console modding, I will be the first one with the torch and pitchfork.

That can't be it... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35923948)

Are you seriously suggesting that Sony deosn't have enough resources to develop a decent service that is critical to their business?

Re:That can't be it... (1)

Decessus (835669) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924052)

No, I wasn't suggesting anything. I know Sony is a large company with a lot of money and resources, but I'm pretty ignorant as to how they allocate all of those resources. It was something I was curious about, so I asked.

Re:That can't be it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35925300)

Not enough resources, probably not. But not enough compotent ones from a company that has a constant number for random variable in a trivial bit of code? I sure can believe they can't make a decent/rebust one even when their business depends on it!

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (2)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923956)

Isn't that like saying that Windows should have fewer security holes then Linux because they charge for the product and are therefore able to put more money into it? It's nonsense.

It's nonsense.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (3, Insightful)

Required Snark (1702878) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924056)

Isn't that like saying that Windows should have fewer security holes then Linux because they charge for the product and are therefore able to put more money into it? It's nonsense.

In a weird way, your question mimics the claim made by MicroSoft: Windows is better because you have to pay for it, and so MS has a stake in providing a good and reliable user experience. In fact, this argument works in some business/government circles, because they feel that without a business organization backing up the product, there is no accountability.

So for some users, it is NOT nonsense. Even when real world experience shows MS does a worse job then open source alternatives.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925374)

And with a level of redirection:
If anarchy worked we wouldn't have a job (which again is a two way argument)

When in Rome and all that.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Decessus (835669) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924090)

Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply that it was the only reason for the problems. I actually wasn't trying to imply anything. I was just wondering if it could have any part in the problem at all.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0, Flamebait)

Mister Pedant (1722084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924238)

"....then Linux because...."

Then why is it so hard for you to spell a short easy word like 'than'?

--
-- no words longer than 5 characters were used/harmed in the above post

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924796)

Shit. Mod parent up!

PSN being down a result of... (1, Insightful)

traindirector (1001483) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923962)

This is almost surely a result of either:

  1. No real active "attack", just Sony needing an excuse to have the network down for a week to retrofit security to stop consoles with modified software from connecting ("I know !! we'll blame teh haxx0rs and play the victim rather than look like ones at fault for not providing service for a week! Since people are messing with our consoles, it's not really a lie!"), or
  2. An attack motivated by Sony's anti-consumer practices

I really doubt it's a money issue.

Re:PSN being down a result of... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924398)

Source?

I doubt Sony would take down it's service especially after a big launch date, the 19th, for less than 1 percent of consoles.

Re:PSN being down a result of... (1)

traindirector (1001483) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924412)

Source?

Just my speculation, being familiar with Sony. I suppose I should have said "I strong suspect this is" rather than "This is almost surely".

Re:PSN being down a result of... (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924452)

There's no way they pick a holiday weekend and a week with a reasonably big name release in it to take it down on purpose. Well I guess they have done a bunch of stupid things in the past, so maybe that's not so certain.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924314)

PSN is a free service, but PSN Plus is not. I don't see what it being free versus pay has to do with anything, however. Last time I checked, Sony was one of the top few major consumer products, technology, and media multi-national corporations on the planet with an incredible wealth of resources. They're not exactly a bumbling startup relying on each $4/mo payment to keep the doors open.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Decessus (835669) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924372)

It might not, and based on the replies, it probably doesn't have anything to do with it. But, it's something I was curious about so I threw the question out there.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924728)

There is an initial payment, the retail cost of a ps3 system. Or do you think if you buy a car, everyday when you drive it, it is a "free ride".

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35925036)

Again these car analogies! Can't people think about computers/IT/etc without refering to cars all the time? Most of the time incorrectly too.

But to answer your rhetorical question, no I don't think anyone thinks of it as a "free ride" since you have to pay for gas. If you didn't have to pay for gas they might think it was a free ride. They had already paid for the car so it was their to start with. And unless the ride wears a lot on the car, driving an additional mile or two most likely wont be noticable on the big whole.

Last time I checked the price of electricity to run a PS3 24/7 is negligible compared to the cost of gas of having your cars motor running the same time.

Re:Free Service vs. Pay Service (0)

johncandale (1430587) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925062)

It's a result of the mismanagement of Sony's, formally named SoE, computer division, when they committed public suicide on stage at E3 anoocing the ps3. Who could forget "Features historic battles from japans history..." then 5 seconds later GIANT ENEMY CRAB "you attack its weak point for massive damage". Also boosting about real-time weapon change. Ridge Racer!! etc.

They lack the management skills and organization to execute a network and realize it's value. For reference see all the other problems Sony has had

How bad? (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923916)

How bad does the security have to initially be for it to be better to take the whole thing down and start over?

Re:How bad? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923980)

Sometimes that is the safest thing to do. Besides, all they will lose is millions of users data.. It's not like they really care, they know you cant go anywhere else.

Re:How bad? (2)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924854)

Why should they lose millions of users data?

Re:How bad? (4, Insightful)

moniker (9961) | more than 3 years ago | (#35923990)

Nonexistent.

Sony probably relied entirely on client side security, assuming that the PS3 was unbreakable.

That, and thanks to their attempts to keep people on the latest "secure" firmware, PSN services that shouldn't be PSN services like Netflix and Hulu are now hosed (except for some people who apparently use the same password for all their accounts and can hit cancel at the login screen). If Netflix hadn't allowed the PSN-free disc to be disabled, we could be using it right now.

Re:How bad? (2)

malkavian (9512) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924240)

Now I'm as disenchanted with Sony as the next geek.. But plucking claims out of thin air doesn't really help..
The real answer is that it can actually be pretty good, just someone found a way in that's pretty pervasive to their design or implementation.
Still, no matter how good (or not) it was before, it can obviously be improved.. Someone will almost certainly break the next version, if they try hard enough (quite a few will probably be picked up on the IDS, and perhaps charged before then).
How good it really was, who knows, until someone posts full details and disclosure of the security structure..

Re:How bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924324)

But plucking claims out of thin air doesn't really help..

You must be new here...
Remind me: Why are you reading Slashdot then? ;)

Re:How bad? (1)

moniker (9961) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924958)

Now I'm as disenchanted with Sony as the next geek.. But plucking claims out of thin air doesn't really help..

behold, thin air [google.com]

Re:How bad? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924280)

My netflix works regardless of my PSN connection. My PSN and Netflix accounts do not use the same password either. Netflix asks to log in to PSN twice, and when it cannot it just continues on and works normally (this has happened on several occasions when my PSN log in did not work for whatever reason). I was actually quite surprised at this; I thought netflix actually had put some thought into designing a robust system. Does this not work for everyone?

Re:How bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35925282)

Not I. After the 2nd attempt I can browse my queue for about a minute. In about a minute or until I try to stream something, the screen goes dark and the login info request comes back up.

No amount of entering my info and waiting for it go give me the error "The playstation network is down...." and then hitting 'o' correct this.

Re:How bad? (2)

dave562 (969951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924366)

Netflix is not hosed. It works as long as you allow the login process to time out a couple of times. I use a unique password for every online service I am a part of and I was able to access Netflix last night.

Re:How bad? (1)

moniker (9961) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924712)

Thanks, I had only previously seen people stating that you had to hit cancel, which didn't work for me.

So, if you can just let the login timeout, why ask for a login? Other than scaring people into updating their firmware?

Re:How bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924122)

If the security is anywhere nearly as bad as the PS3's system security, then shutting PSN down for a complete overhaul might indeed be the logical course of action.

Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924084)

...it's not hackers, unless the hackers are the ones who crashed the Amazon network which Sony uses. So, really. The one we should be getting mad at is Amazon and their bullshit about how cloud computing is flawless. I'm a little surprised Sony didn't do what Netflix did and drop their services across three different Amazon zones.

related attacks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924100)

Were these attacks related to 'anonymous' attacks early this month over sony suing a guy for hacking his ps3?

In Soviet Russia... (5, Funny)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924102)

In Soviet Russia ... customers cripple Sony's hardware!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924442)

Nice one...

There's science to be done... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924152)

It's GLaDOS I tell you!

Netflix (5, Informative)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924210)

For those of you that use your PS3 mainly for streaming Netflix (like me), just keep hitting login after you've gone to the red 'Netflix' screen. It will try to login and fail about 3 to 5 times in a row. Then you will be able to access your Netflix account like normal.

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924264)

nope does not work for me,it may work for some people but im not sitting there all day long trying to login to that,i have a nintendo wii and ill just use that for netflix

Re:Netflix (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924318)

You know, the way Sony is acting on this and other things is making Micro$oft look like a good alternative. shudders

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924822)

what are you, fucking retarded?

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924362)

Er... then do you really want to trust that Login right now?

Just because Sony has taken down most of the system doesn't mean they've neutralized the threat(s), just that they've noticed.

Probably not a good time to keep smashing 'Okay".

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924968)

Only if you've upgraded to 3.6 firmware though unfortunately.

Then will they address the ToS issues? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924312)

I wonder if, once the network is back up and running, they'll ever get around to reviewing the mistakes in their Terms of Service

http://slashdot.org/submission/1535196/Why-doesnt-SONY-like-Canadians

One might wonder. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924344)

Sony has a bunch of pretty big games coming out right now. One of the biggest happens to be Portal 2, which when purchased for PS3 gives you a code so that you can register it via Steam on your PS3 and then use Steamworks to then register a free PC copy on your PC via Steam . Portal 2 saves to the cloud, so you can play Portal 2 co-op with people across all platforms (ie, PS3 players can play against a Mac player or PC player). Then you have all the Amazon EC2 stuff going on which some rumors claim is used by Sony for portions of PSN.

I have no idea whether that is true or not, but if I were a large corporation that just settled an issue with a guy making homebrew jailbreaks for my product and a few days later I made a massive alteration to my gaming network service by infusing a whole new service (Steamworks) that has 25,000,000 players on it during one of the biggest game launches of the year (Portal) and that merges PC, Mac, and PS3 users together so they can not only have a copy for one platform and own it for the others, but play with the users on those other platforms in real time and somehow this new thing went a little haywire as new rollouts often do and took down my entire network for five or six days . . . I might just use the opportunity to save face over "we done fucked up" and blame a bunch of anonymous crackers for everything, to buy us time and win some purchase in the hearts of the public who is impacted by this and has some rage to direct wherever they're told it belongs.

Re:One might wonder. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924432)

Um.

Portal 2 saves to the cloud, so you can play Portal 2 co-op with people across all platforms (ie, PS3 players can play against a Mac player or PC player).

Completely non sequitur. The cloud saves your games and progress. That has nothing to do with Valve making sure the PS3 co-op worked with Mac and PC co-op players.

[...] made a massive alteration to my gaming network service by infusing a whole new service (Steamworks) that has 25,000,000 players on it during one of the biggest game launches of the year [...]

You don't know how Steam and PSN function, do you? Those users don't touch PSN unless they're registering Portal 2. Then they hand off to Steam and don't stick around on Sony's networks. This has nothing to do with Steam.

[...] and that merges PC, Mac, and PS3 users together so they can not only have a copy for one platform and own it for the others [...]

Still nothing to do with this. It's handed off to Steam. Steam is not affecting PSN.

[...] but play with the users on those other platforms in real time and somehow this new thing went a little haywire as new rollouts often do and took down my entire network for five or six days [...]

That's...you're just trolling, aren't you?

I might just use the opportunity to save face over "we done fucked up" and blame a bunch of anonymous crackers for everything, to buy us time and win some purchase in the hearts of the public who is impacted by this and has some rage to direct wherever they're told it belongs.

Yeah, human beings aren't that willfully stupid, you're just a troll. Here's a hint: Most competent trolls don't make themselves obvious enough that they get figured out in their first post in a thread. I mean, you're not even that amusing of a troll. Hell, you're not even that interesting.

Credibility (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924354)

The thing is that Sony has very little credibility, so when they say that it's intrusion that caused problems I immediately think that they are being untruthful. Remember the rootkit? They said it didn't exist. Remember Geohot? They claimed that he'd agreed to their terms of service, but couldn't substantiate, despite a huge fishing exercise. Remember RIAA, digital copies destroy music? Sony is part of RIAA; 45 Sony names in their member list.

Once this was a brilliant company. Now I see a company in death convulsions, blaming everyone else for their internal problems.

I'll take claims of hacking with a large tub of salt until they prove it.

Sony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924384)

is getting what they deserve here.

Bet you'll think twice about pissing off the whole world again, won't you, faggots?

Re:Sony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924486)

Ah - an XBot, I presume?

Re:Sony... (1, Funny)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924642)

Steve Ballmer, is that you? Stop it or we'll take away your netbook again!

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924590)

A parting shot from an ousted president in his last days perhaps.

Heads will roll for this one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924596)

I work in IT and I would not want to be in the team(s) responsible to fix this mess.

This is truly a disaster, the worst case scenario you dread when responsible for a large network/system.

Usually a 99% uptime is what the company strive for.

Seems like they are in deep trouble if after 4 days it is not back up, I've had to deal with severe outages before (8 hours or so) and the pressure to get things running was enormous. (with 200k users)

It is a MASSIVE failure for whoever is in charge of this system.

Heads will roll.

Re:Heads will roll for this one. (2)

magamiako1 (1026318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35924782)

Sure it's the person in charge of the IT or the person in charge of funding the IT?

Most problems IT has known about for quite some time, since IT built the systems. They know precisely where the failures could happen and have probably thought of ways to work around them, but it all comes down to funding.

If the person who signs the paycheck says "we aren't doing that" then that's it--done.

This one goes to eleven (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35924892)

"...company said on Sunday that it is 'rebuilding' its system to better guard against attacks"

We mean it. Really, this one goes to eleven for security.

When did Sony become Microsoft?

it's the right thing to do.... (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#35925432)

It's too bad they couldn't have done it proactively while the system was online instead of after the fact.

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