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WikiLeaks Releases Guantanamo Prisoner Files

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the let's-start-this-debate-again dept.

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HungryHobo writes with news that WikiLeaks has started to release a collection of 779 files involving the detainees in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. "The details for every detainee will be released daily over the coming month. ... In thousands of pages of documents dating from 2002 to 2008 and never seen before by members of the public or the media, the cases of the majority of the prisoners held at Guantánamo — 758 out of 779 in total — are described in detail in memoranda from JTF-GTMO, the Joint Task Force at Guantánamo Bay, to US Southern Command in Miami, Florida. These memoranda, which contain JTF-GTMO's recommendations about whether the prisoners in question should continue to be held, or should be released (transferred to their home governments, or to other governments) contain a wealth of important and previously undisclosed information, including health assessments, for example, and, in the cases of the majority of the 171 prisoners who are still held, photos (mostly for the first time ever)." Reader rrayst notes that according to one such document, if you use a Casio F-91W wristwatch, you might be a member of al-Qaida.

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Hell Yes (0)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933234)

This is going to be good reading!

Re:Hell Yes (3, Funny)

jjetson (2041488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933362)

I think I'll wait for the DVD or Blurays.

Re:Hell Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933964)

Waiting to count the number of Japanese school girls in Gitmo in an uniform. Their teacher might be there as well..

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933258)

First Post

Re:First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933314)

Your mama called and says she wants her penis back.

Re:First Post (2, Funny)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933578)

First Post

Silly human, you can't beat me for I am a small well crafted shell script designed to replace first post trolls like yourself.

If You See Suspicious Activity (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933310)

call 1-800-JMC-CAIN [youtube.com] .

Thanks for your PatRIOTism.

Yours In Osh,
K. Trout

Re:If You See Suspicious Activity (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933348)

Patriotism, the last refuge of the fucking moron.

Re:If You See Suspicious Activity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934232)

You just insulted my entire america!

Shitstorm (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933342)

Oh boy, here we go. It'll definitely be interesting how the media tries to spin this in a negative light.

Casio F-91W wristwatch (5, Funny)

Black Art (3335) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933346)

Well now I know what to give for Christmas...

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (3, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933374)

"Don't be silly Bob. Of course I don't hold giving the promotion to Dick against you. Just to show you there's no hard feelings, here's a Casio watch. That's right, just stand by the window over there."

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933514)

Anyone else think of donating one to each of the whitehouse staff? They might appreciate the thought...

From http://www.whitehouse.gov/thank-you [whitehouse.gov] :

For security reasons, please do not send perishable gifts -- such as food, liquids or flowers -- to the White House. The White House is unable to accept cash, checks, bonds, gift certificates, foreign currency, or other monetary equivalents. Additionally, items sent to the White House are often significantly delayed and can be irreparably harmed during the security screening process. Therefore, please do not send items of personal importance, such as family photographs, because items may not be returned.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (5, Informative)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933536)

If you read the article:

"The Casio was known to be given to the students at al-Qaida bomb-making training courses in Afghanistan at which the students received instruction in the preparation of timing devices using the watch.

"Approximately one-third of the JTF-GTMO detainees that were captured with these models of watches have known connections to explosives, either having attended explosives training, having association with a facility where IEDs were made or where explosives training was given, or having association with a person identified as an explosives expert."

More than 50 detainee reports refer to the Casio timepieces. The records of 32 detainees refer to the black Casio F-91W, while a further 20 make reference to the silver version, the A-159W.

It's not silly at all. But it's not the reason they arrested them either.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933740)

Slashdotters like to assume incredible incompetence and irrationality on the part of anybody they have ideological differences with. Well, most people do that, not just slashdotters, but slashdotters publicly post their biased assumptions on a public website.

Of course the brand of watch is only one factor of many, many pieces of information that is part of the analysis of these people. If it is given due weight, not too much, and not too little, it is perfectly reasonable.

I fear many other factoids will be ripped from these documents and repeated over and over on the net without any real idea of the context or true validity.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

Lazareth (1756336) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933784)

Welcome to media in general. We're soaking in it.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933778)

The silliness enters the picture when you consider how many non-terrorists own such watches, not when you just look at all the suspected or actual terrorists who do.

Pretty much any watch with reasonably user-accessible alarm buzzer drive leads and adequate timer features is a potential bomb trigger. The techniques for each would differ mostly in pinout, and wouldn't strike a competent electronics hobbyist as anything special. Why chose those Casios? Because they are dirt cheap, ubiquitous, and have reasonably robust timer features.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933980)

The silliness enters the picture when you consider how many non-terrorists own such watches, not when you just look at all the suspected or actual terrorists who do.

How many people running around Afghanistan wear digital watches, much less this particular model? If it's very common in the region, I would agree. But I honestly don't know.

Pretty much any watch with reasonably user-accessible alarm buzzer drive leads and adequate timer features is a potential bomb trigger. The techniques for each would differ mostly in pinout, and wouldn't strike a competent electronics hobbyist as anything special. Why chose those Casios? Because they are dirt cheap, ubiquitous, and have reasonably robust timer features.

But we're not talking about electronics hobbyists here. We're talking about a course in bomb making; Step A, then Step B, etc.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933800)

Can we get the terrorits to change to Rolex and cartier etc by default thinkg of all the ceo's and politicians theyd get as. A win - win for justice!

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933876)

So, if they have Nike shoes, ill suited T-shirt, and drive Ford.......well, that's pretty much 90% of all Americans, being suspected of unclear intention.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (4, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933994)

By that logic:

"The skin pigmentation was known to be consistent to the students at an al-Qaida bomb-making training course in Afghanistan."

"Approximately 3/4 of the JTF-GTMO detainees that were captured being brown have known connections to explosives, either having attended explosives training, having an association with a facility where IEDs were made or where explosives training was given, or having association with a person identified as an explosives expert"

"More than 50 detainees appear to be brown. The skin pigmentation of 32 detainees appear to be "Mexicanish", while a further 20 appear to be "Almost Italian".

Not silly at all.... Except there are a whole hell of a lot of brown people. And equally a whole hell of a lot of people with these watches. Hell It looks to be very similar to the first watch I ever got around when I was 10. Not to mention if I started making decisions on 33% accuracy, I'd get fired.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934138)

This 5-star review from Amazon doesn't help:

5.0 out of 5 stars This watch is the bomb!
This is the most reliable watch I've ever owned. I buy them all the time!
Published 11 months ago by K. Aubuchon

And if they're so reliable, why do you need so many of them?

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934226)

Hey chief! All these people we arrested because they had casio watches all apear to have casio watches. I think we can safely assume from this that they are all terrorists and therefore make the hypothesis that all terrorists wear casio watches which justifies keeping them here foreever without a trial. Thank God for the superior intelligence we must obviously have since we captured all these terrorist.

I wonder how the selection of different watch brands is in the local street venders in the middle east. My bet is that casio is a popular brand not just with terrorists.

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

trb (8509) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933768)

boingboing advocated this watch [boingboing.net] last december. it wasn't until I bought one and googled for the product manual that I found out that it was an al-qaeda favorite. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Casio F-91W wristwatch (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933992)

Apparently you missed the comments back in December that noted the link to Al-Qaeda.

GITMO still open? (5, Insightful)

ShavedOrangutan (1930630) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933392)

Where's all that Hope and Change?

Re:GITMO still open? (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933406)

In the trash can next to habeus corpus and the presumption of innocence.

Re:GITMO still open? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933422)

In the toilet along with our freedoms and economy.

Re:GITMO still open? (4, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933432)

Like the cake it too was a lie.

Re:GITMO still open? (5, Insightful)

Rei (128717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933520)

Awaiting congress to overturn the line in the last defense spending bill which prohibited the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the US courts system. Of course, even without that, all of the evidence against the key detainees is irrevocably tainted by torture and other factors.

Re:GITMO still open? (5, Insightful)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933816)

Of course, even without that, all of the evidence against the key detainees is irrevocably tainted by torture and other factors.

BINGO Afaict there is no way to give these detainees a fair and effective trial. So the choice essentially comes down to either releasing them, convicting them in a show trial or continuing to detain them without trial. None of which are very attractive options.

There is also the side problem that even if they weren't enemies of the USA to begin with they are very likely to have become enemies of the USA after experiancing gitmo.

Re:GITMO still open? (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934266)

That's a bullshit excuse. The President is sworn to uphold the constitution. When Congress passes an unconstitutional law, the President has to challenge it. Obama has done no such thing.

Also, there are other ways to close Guantanamo. He's forbidden from using budgeted funds to close Guantanamo. So, lets have a bake sale. If Obama asked for donations to go towards closing Guantanamo I'd gladly pony up $100. I bet there are a few tens of thousands of freedom loving Americans who would do the same. But Obama hasn't tried anything, so it's hard to look at this as anything but an excuse.

Also, it's worth pointing out that Obama's Justice Department hasn't indicted anyone for torture. Not one. He can't blame that on Congress. Obama condones torture.

In every way shape and form Obama has failed to deliver on his promises of change. He has no one to blame for this but himself.

Yeah, this is just baffling. (1)

Balinares (316703) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933742)

No, I'm serious. I just can't make sense of that. At this point everybody hates Gitmo. Obama could score major points across the board by closing it with a flourish and be done with it. Judge and jail the guys and look tough on Terrism, or just ship them back to wherever they came from and close the joint with a few vibrant words about saving America's money. Mishun accumplisht. Easy reelection credit! A politician's dream.

So why the hell doesn't he?

Something's missing from the picture, and I can't tell what. Can't be anything good, though. :/

Re:Yeah, this is just baffling. (1, Troll)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933920)

Everyone hates it? I sure don't. I'm Canadian, and I see a need for it, and good reasons to have it.(then again our intelligence and security services have done thing that would make american eyes pop out of their heads to 'preserve national security') Whether or not you want to believe that the world is pixie dust, and cars can be fueled by unicorn shit doesn't matter. There's several problems of course with your post. The countries that some of these guys come from, don't want them. Not at all. They don't want the legal headaches, or simply don't care. Countries where they are shipped back, or released to. These guys as quickly as they can high tail it and head right back to being non-uniformed combatants.

Then again, if we were playing by the rules. They'd be dead on the battle field, or summarily executed when caught. We already go above the standards by keeping them alive. The only reason why it's worth capturing them, is to glean information even if it's a grain of gold in a pile of sand.

Re:Yeah, this is just baffling. (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934242)

Yeah pretty scary that ordinary posters on forums can come up with an "obvious" political move. Therefore, the reasons which made it Not-Obviously Bad are terr...uh... frightening.

I shall borrow your last line as my sig. Unless you screech "copyright" at which point I'll return it to your library.

Re:GITMO still open? (3, Interesting)

ShavedOrangutan (1930630) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933898)

Where's all that Hope and Change?

Alright, that went to Score 0: Flamebait in five minutes. How about this:

It's Bush's fault!

Re:GITMO still open? (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933952)

This criticism is sound only if it comes either from the far left - for whom Obama was, barely, the lesser of two evils - or the anti-war right (American Conservative magazine, Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul - sort of - etc), who were fighting the Bush administration every step of the way. Obama is guilty for having failed to disassemble Gitmo and for carrying on the obsession with "global security" (we used to be interested in *defense.* Now we're interested in "security." See a problem here?)

But when that charge comes from someone who more or less supported the Bush administration or is in the Republican mainstream (or the more bellicose corners of the Tea Party) then its worse than hypocrisy. It's like shitting in your room and complaining that your brother isn't cleaning it fast enough.

Re:GITMO still open? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934182)

What do you mean? Gitmo is closed down. He promised he would during the campaign.

Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo? (0, Flamebait)

PeeAitchPee (712652) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933402)

Eat it. Karma is a bitch.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933492)

You do realize that it's not his fault, right? Because the US isn't taking any of the detainees there's a fair number of other countries that also refuse to do so, because if we aren't willing to take the innocent ones, why should they? And the congress refuses to allow the necessary changes to make it happen.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (5, Insightful)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933564)

...because if we aren't willing to take the innocent ones, why should they?

Because they are citizens of those countries. We try to give them BACK, first.

Yes, it is his fault because he made a big deal about this during the campaign. He was either too IGNORANT of the process, or just didn't care and was saying anything to get elected.

My vote is "both".

Of course, this is no different than 99% of other politicians.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934012)

Because they are citizens of those countries. We try to give them BACK, first.

And when that doesn't work, you DO try to put them elsewhere.

I'm from Germany, for example, and our government here (the conservative coalition that has ruled since 2009) has been in talks with the US government concerning taking a couple of Gitmo prisoners. I think it's fair enough in principle, but the question remains: if these people a) aren't dangerous and b) can't be sent back to their homeland, for whatever reason, why should they be sent to Germany rather than the USA? The USA are responsible for this mess, and they should damn well clean it up.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933678)

You do realize that it's not his fault, right? Because the US isn't taking any of the detainees there's a fair number of other countries that also refuse to do so, because if we aren't willing to take the innocent ones, why should they? And the congress refuses to allow the necessary changes to make it happen.

All of this was known during the election when these promises were made.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933848)

Yes, it is his fault.

The whole point is not just to put these guys in another prison: If they're guilty of nothing, as they are in many cases, then the correct thing to do is to say "You're free to go. If you want, we'll set up travel arrangements back to your home. Please accept our humblest apologies, and $X for some reparations for what we put you through for no reason whatsoever. If you were tortured, we would like your help putting your torturers behind bars."

About the only piece of this that Barack Obama as president couldn't do without authorization from Congress is the reparations. Presidents can pardon people, they can tell the military to move somebody from point A to point B, he can definitely apologize to people, and he can direct his Attorney General to investigate possible war crimes.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (1)

onkelonkel (560274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933850)

The reason many people hold politicians in contempt is because politicians promise to do something, get elected, and then don't do it or promise not to do something, get elected, and then do it anyway. Call it lies, broken promises, lack of honour, pragmatism, whatever you like. Saying "It's not his fault" is merely excusing contemptibly bad behaviour. It's not complicated - Deliver what you promise, don't promise what you can't deliver.

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934278)

Easy! Make all campaign promises under penalty of perjury!

Re:Hey Obama, remember you promised to close Gitmo (2, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933858)

because if we aren't willing to take the innocent ones

Why not? We blew up their country, hung their leader, took their oil, destroyed their economy, killed a bunch of their family and friends. Last but by no means least, they're innocent, which you can't say for the illegals living here.

Infected with moles (0)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933416)

Ok, like everyone else, I too have got opinions on the judgement of this release. But the real important question is this. Just how many moles or rogue agents do we have in the US? What's next? Release of ICBM and warhead technical documents? Our top secret fighter jet technology? Fuck, just call the USA the great "Pinata". If you beat on us enough times, we'll spill all the goods for everyone else to pick up. Hey, maybe even China can do something with it. Good luck fucking with them!

Re:Infected with moles (5, Informative)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933476)

Ok, like everyone else, I too have got opinions on the judgement of this release. But the real important question is this. Just how many moles or rogue agents do we have in the US? What's next? Release of ICBM and warhead technical documents? Our top secret fighter jet technology? Fuck, just call the USA the great "Pinata". If you beat on us enough times, we'll spill all the goods for everyone else to pick up. Hey, maybe even China can do something with it. Good luck fucking with them!

Maybe it has something to do with people knowing they are doing things that they shouldn't be doing. Like holding people without trial forever?

Re:Infected with moles (0)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933852)

Maybe understanding is that these prisoners do not fall into any previously defined categoy. Are they prisoners of war or are they criminals? Should we apply our criminal law statutes to people who were detained by US soldiers in combat operations? There are clearly defined POW rules and citizen criminal laws but where do most of these people fall. If you say POW than by rights they could have been immediately executed for not wearing identifying markers denoting them as enemy soldiers. If you say just criminals then how do you handle rules of evidence on offenses committed in foreign countries which fall outside of US statutes? Do you just release them so they can go back to creating havoc without any consequnces for their actions? And yes there are those who were innocent but even the US justice system has convicted innocent people, no justice is 100% without error. So what is the best solution or do you really care and just want to use the issue to make political statements.

Re:Infected with moles (2)

pclminion (145572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933932)

Maybe understanding is that these prisoners do not fall into any previously defined categoy. Are they prisoners of war or are they criminals? Should we apply our criminal law statutes to people who were detained by US soldiers in combat operations?

Well, you guys feel free to stand over in that corner chatting, going "Hmmm" and "Well this is interesting" and "My, this is a dilemma." Just figure out the answer soon, because the rest of us are getting seriously PISSED OFF. We're waiting on hold, but we do in fact expect you to get back on the line. And by the way, your on-hold music fucking sucks.

Re:Infected with moles (3, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934234)

Who says these guys were detained by soldiers in combat operations? Most of them weren't. Most of them were turned in by their neighbors for cash rewards.

Re:Infected with moles (5, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933478)

You misspelled "patriots." When a person attempts to hold their country accountable for transgressions against human rights, they are a patriot. Attempting to cover up for your country's crimes makes you a criminal.

Re:Infected with moles (-1, Troll)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933494)

You're opinion. Let us be clear on that.

Re:Infected with moles (2)

fatphil (181876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933652)

He's indeed almost completely opinion. And a little bit of matter, and a relatively small amount of additional energy. But he's mostly opinion.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

straponego (521991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933662)

He is not opinion. He is a human being with a conscience.

Re:Infected with moles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933668)

Is Shaman a bit sensitive today? That time of the month, eh?

Re:Infected with moles (3, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933674)

Oh, I think we are all very clear on that. You think that there are good reasons for ignoring the Constitution, the rule of law, and human rights, I don't. Ignoring the Constitution is about as unpatriotic as it is possible to be.

Re:Infected with moles (0)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934198)

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Look it up. Those that wish to destroy America do not deserve its protection.

Re:Infected with moles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933676)

You are opinion?

Re:Infected with moles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933686)

He is not an opinion.

Re:Infected with moles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933692)

He is opinion? Oh.. you meant YOUR opinion.

Re:Infected with moles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933696)

Uhh no, it's pretty clear that failing to report a crime is a crime itself. So is assisting in the execution of a crime. In a lot of places, it's also illegal to fail to act when you have the ability to stop/prevent a crime.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933706)

Your opinion. Let's be clear on that.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933780)

You're opinion.

Is he opinion?

Re:Infected with moles (1)

bigpet (1695756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934118)

has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Re:Infected with moles (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933830)

The fact that you came out and declared that this is his "opinion" says a lot about the state of affairs of education amongst the general populace. :/

Reading Slashdot sometimes makes me question whether some of you people deserve any of the basic human rights when you are so quick to give them away.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

Lazareth (1756336) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933846)

The comment that spawned a multitude of replies. Not because of the content, but because of grammar. Welcome to /., enjoy your stay.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933996)

Meh, I'm used to it. I've got thick skin.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933870)

You wouldn't be claiming 'innocence', or anything like that, would you?

Re:Infected with moles (1)

bloosqr (33593) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934202)

I had to requote you onto facebook of all things.. well said.

Re:Infected with moles (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933508)

Documents on prisoners, in a prison facility is hardly the most sensitive information. It certainly has diplomatic ramifications of being released but as far as hurting US technical superiority or secret arms tech, it doesn't. Mostly all wikileaks does is dig up mud for people to fling. Which I'm not entirely sure is a bad thing.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933612)

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain

Re:Infected with moles (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933670)

justice, in a free society, hates a vacuum.

if it means The People, themselves, have to leak info to maintain justice, then so be it.

but the info WILL get out as long as we have at least a shred of freedom left.

folks, this is a Good Thing(tm). we WANT truth, don't we?

shame we have to play this leak-game stuff but whatever it takes to balance the power. if this is what it takes, well, its what it takes.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

tj2 (54604) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933804)

Just how many patriots or citizens who are sick of our government doing stupid shit do we have in the US?

FTFY.

Re:Infected with moles (1)

infoseek (1596733) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934248)

These document were leaked by Bradley Manning along with the diplomatic cables. (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-chat/). So this leak isn't any indication of additional security breaches, though they may well exist.

Casio F-91W (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933458)

Its the watch that bomb makers in Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Qadea, among others, standardized on way back in 1996.

Oh and they are a really popular watch.

I wear a Casio GW-500, little bulky and expensive for a bomb watch, so I don't think I'll be picked up over it any time soon.

The watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933472)

Not to rain on anyone's parade here but if they have linked a bunch of Arabs who make bombs to these watches then I think it is relevant evidence when combined with other evidence. The problem isn't that they had a watch, its that they have a watch and a bunch of other explosive related materials.

Another way to think of this is a kitchen knife as evidence in a stabbing murder case. It would make sense to have the knife referenced in a suspect file. Just because innocent people also have the same kitchen knives doesn't mean the evidence isn't relevant. (or gloves in the OJ Simpson case)

I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (5, Informative)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933504)

I'll tell you something funny, and slightly on-topic: I am currently a terrorism suspect. I'm a photographer, and for a few weeks earlier this month I was employed to photograph the final stages of an industrial project. This involved photographing a buoy being towed out to sea. I requested access to an oil storage depot that has a long jetty, which would have provided a good spot to take pictures from. I wasn't allowed access, and that was the end of it. Until a few days ago, when the police contacted me. A security guard at the depot had reported me, and the police were investigating why I was "taking photographs of an oil facility", which was considered a possible act of terrorist activity. I was interviewed on Friday, and the police have more-or-less said that I've got nothing to worry about. But it just shows the absurd level to which "terrorism concerns" can be used to harass people.

Remember, what happened: Requested access to take pictures _from_ oil depot's jetty with full explanation of why, told no, end of story. What police are investigating: Taking photos _of_ an oil facility for unknown reasons. I never took a single photo anywhere near the place!

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

rbollinger (1922546) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933556)

The funny part is that they think a terrorist would actually request access to take photographs of an oil facility.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

CraftyJack (1031736) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934154)

That's almost be as funny thinking a terrorist would actually try to get the deposit back on the Ryder truck.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933712)

Yeah yeah. And 95% of those who agree with you today would have been furious had you been a terrorist and the place blew up yesterday but your inquiry never reported to the authorities. In hind sight these things are either the silliest things to ever happen or the worst fumble a person could ever make. How many people were up in arms about the 9/11 crew who left a plane on a runway or told the trainer they didn't care to learn how to take off or land but it was never followed up in a meaningful way?
 
It seems foolish from the outside but social engineerig can easily displace the efforts of most security.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933718)

You're white, aren't you? That's why you have nothing to worry about. If you had been arabic, however...

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933776)

Hah, I've been using Facebook too much. Went to click "like" on this post :-)

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (2)

kevinNCSU (1531307) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933758)

Sounds like a dumb private security guard who's bored and has nothing to do called up the cops who then HAVE to go ask you even though they know it's a waste of their time, and told you you've got nothing to worry about. So really the problem is just a dumb and bored security guard who was probably literally HOPING you were a big bad terrorist so he could be doing something real.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933862)

Guessing is guessing but here's what I think happened, based on a conversation I've since had with the manager of the depot: The guard reported the "incident" to his boss, with some things that were true and other (minor) things that weren't. His boss reported it to the police. Next thing he knows, the security guard is giving a statement to the police, and he realises what a pathetic "concern" it is. That's when he adds all the stuff about me taking photos of the depot. He never said anything about that to his boss. You'd think that would be the _first_ thing he would have mentioned to his boss, wouldn't you?

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

kevinNCSU (1531307) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934000)

Yea, there's nothing like a security guard having to talk to a real uniformed officer to cause them to feel embarrassed and then start adding things to try to save face, lol.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (3, Informative)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933928)

I'll tell you something funny, and slightly on-topic: I am currently a terrorism suspect.

Are you still being granted the privilege of being able to fly on airplanes? You may very well be permanently grounded now by virtue of the no fly list.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933966)

Yeah, and if the security guard didn't report it and the depot was subsequently blown up, Congress, the media and everyone here on /. would be screaming, "somebody wanted to take pictures of the depot and he didn't think that was suspicious?!! Why didn't the idiot report it?!!"

Dude can't win. But the personal cost to the security guard of reporting is negligible compared to the potential cost of not reporting, so he reports. I don't like it, but I don't blame him...he's just covering his butt. Not that hard to understand. Sucks that we have an environment where the security guard even has to make that decision, but here we are. So I blame politicians who stoke the fear as an election tactic, not the security guard.

Re:I am currently a terrorism suspect (no joke) (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933990)

Brit; perturbed by the authorities' dumbness; use of the term 'meejahor' - are you sure you're no relation to the comedian Mark Thomas?

They Redacted...! (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933510)

They blocked out the URL for Wikipedia. The Bastards!

You might be a member of al-Qaida if ..... (1, Funny)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 3 years ago | (#35933640)

you own a Casio F-91W wristwatch.

Coming soon, more standup comedy from Mohammed Foxworthy.

test comment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933716)

this is a test comment.

I have a Casio F-91W watch...oops (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35933732)

I was so excited to get this watch..it was $7.99 on Amazon. I got it because I am into lucid dreaming, and one of the practices of lucid dreaming is doing a "reality check", one such method is looking at a digital clock, looking away, and looking back at it. If the time is garbled/different/out of the ordinary, that is a sign that you are dreaming. I loved that watch because it was the only one I could find that was digital and didn't have all sorts of other annoying features. I just wanted a simple digital watch. Unfortunately, it looked a little girlie on me so I got the next model up, the F-105. I've been wearing that one for about a year now. Love it.

I guess I'm a terrorist "watch list" (pun partially intended) now? Can I expect "weird" things to happen to me? Should I be worried about the men in black suits and sunglasses reading newspapers wherever I walk?

Guess it doesn't help that I used to be in a rock band called "The Terrorists", either.. =/

What should I do to protect myself?

Wikileaks and the nature of secrets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934072)

Is it just the fact that the Internet exists in its current form that makes people more receptive to whistleblowing? Think about it - during the Cold War, someone exposing any military secret would probably be labeled a traitor, tried in a military court and executed on live TV with the public's approval. Now, it's considered "OK" to do this, or at least tolerable. Is that just because it's easy to find military personnel who would be willing to plug a flash drive into their PCs that manage secret communications? Or is it because the vast majortiy of people aren't in danger of getting burned alive in a nuclear attack by these new "non-state actors?"

Don't get me wrong, I don't support what we're doing with these indefinite detentions or any of the military actions we're involved in. In fact, it's that broken campaign promise that I'm really mad ebout...we were supposed to end this. Either (a) Obama is listening too much to his military advisors who are trying to keep this whole anti-terrorism thing chugging along, or (b) something really is going on that's bigger than what we currently know. I really doubt it's (b), because a couple of suicide bombers doesn't really justify this response.

I would have a lot of respect for a presidential candidate who, on their first day in office, went on TV, and said "We are no longer going to be involved in any other country's affairs, no matter what they do. We will defend ourselves if attacked, but will no longer take sides in any conflict around the world." All those trillions of dollars being used to maintain a huge standing army could be used to fix every single problem we have here at home. Sounds too simplistic? Even the most insane dictators will accept cash for oil shipments as long as you leave them to do what they want in their own country...

Pentagon whining (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934106)

Wikileaks mocked this Pentagon Press Secretary tweet this morning:

https://twitter.com/#!/PentagonPresSec/status/62531762345091072 [twitter.com]

Thx to Wikileaks we spent Easter weekend dealing w/NYT & other news orgs publishing leaked classified GTMO docs http://1.usa.gov/fWbGED [usa.gov]

In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934158)

Like Julian Assange, Kim Jong-Il starts releasing so-called 'secret' documents to garner media attention, popularity and monetary gain from merchandising sidelines. People of the DPRK largest support group. Latest round of documents apparently released due to lack of exposure and relative interest.

The other 21 (2)

Quantus347 (1220456) | more than 3 years ago | (#35934164)

Is it just me or does that make you really interested in the remaining 21 detainees?

F91W-1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934224)

You can see the
[watch here] [mrwatch.com]

or the silver metal one

[here] [amazon.co.jp]

Assange Slams NYT's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35934256)

#WikiLeaks Founder Julian #Assange Slams NYT's Handling of Afghan Diaries http://f4a.tv/gQFuMJ (@wikileaks)

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