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Another Windows 8 Pre-Beta Surfaces

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the enough-with-the-ribbons dept.

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angry tapir writes "While Microsoft has not announced the release date of its follow-up to Windows 7, an early pre-beta version of Windows 8 (although its official name has not been confirmed) has surfaced on the Internet, the second version to appear within a month. It is the second milestone release that has showed up on the Internet this month. Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office. This specific milestone build also has software for a Webcam, a new task manager, a PDF reader and an immersive browser." "Surfacings" like this tell me that Microsoft sees the value in crowdsourced opinion gathering far more than they're sometimes given credit for.

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The task manager is definitely the best feature (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949008)

Finally you get to know what those svchosts are actually doing.

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (2)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949030)

In windows 7 you can already right click then select 'go to service(s)' and they're highlighted.

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949064)

What I've never understood is why MS didn't just make the Sysinternals 'Process Explorer' the default task manager(or at least available by a simple "advanced mode" checkbox) years ago. They've owned Sysinternals lock, stock, and barrel for years, so it presumably isn't a copyright problem, and it blew the native offering out of the water...

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949118)

I can sum up why in 2 words:

It's complicated.

(As in not user friendly) And yes, even if you do "advanced mode clickbox," people will shitfit and complain to remove it because of privacy concerns, and/or older people will get scared and want it gone due to information overload.

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949228)

I can sum up why in 2 words:

It's complicated.

(As in not user friendly) And yes, even if you do "advanced mode clickbox," people will shitfit and complain to remove it because of privacy concerns, and/or older people will get scared and want it gone due to information overload.

OK then, make a "Super Advanced" mode clickbox with pulsating red graphics and a low, 60 Hz rumble for a sound effect.

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949244)

In addition, can you think of the support calls?

Besides, anyone who knows how to take advantage of the extra features won't have any problem downloading it except in the complete absence of an internet connection. It's not like it's a 100 MB download with an installer or something like that. Sure, it's an extra step, but it's almost always a really easy extra step.

I can think of some other issues as well. Even though MS owns the code, that doesn't mean it's been vetted to the extent that other Windows components have. I can see Process Explorer doing some really nasty, fragile stuff internally.

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949266)

Your reply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The entire Computer Management console is complicated, but it's still there. There are tons of complicated aspects to Windows. Have you ever wandered about in the registry?

As for people complaining, who's going to complain? What "privacy" concerns? "Older people"? What the fuck?

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (1)

redneckHippe (744945) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949484)

I'm an older person you insensitive clod.

Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949222)

Finally you get to know what those svchosts are actually doing.

Master beta ing?

PDF reader? (1)

pasv (755179) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949020)

Great another vector. *fingers crossed* I hope they're sandboxing.

Re:PDF reader? (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949088)

Given that using Adobe software to view untrusted material is the rough equivalent of injecting yourself with used needles in the hope of scoring free heroin, I'm going to adopt a "it couldn't possibly be worse?" stance until otherwise demonstrated.

Re:PDF reader? (2)

syockit (1480393) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949108)

What, does PDF scripting API include destructive methods? Microsoft can choose not to enable scripting by default.

new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow down (2, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949022)

new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow down users moving to windows 8.

Some places are still stuck on XP and are moving to 7 now and now 8 is on the way with a new GUI?

also what software / hardware that works in XP / 7 will windows 8 not work with?

Ribbons? (4, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949336)

Ribbons? RIBBONS?

The most useless POS interface ever.

Re:Ribbons? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949442)

I could not agree more strongly. Ribbons suck mightily, but this shouldn't surprise us. MS has decided this is the next major step in trying to make a user interface that can be used by someone who's never seen a computer before (because, you know, the world is just FULL of those), even at the expense of everyone else.

Hopefully there will be a way to turn it off.

I guess we should have seen this coming. XP was decent, Vista was a flaming train wreck, Win7 fixed most (but certainly not all) of Vista's horrors, so they were due to release another abomination.

Re:Ribbons? (0)

theArtificial (613980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949458)

Tabs? TABS? You mean those things that all the browsers have implemented?

Re:new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow d (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949344)

For sure look at OSX they haven't changed the UI (except to add new features or effects) since at least 10.3 I wish they would just get it right and stick with it.

Re:new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow d (1)

no-body (127863) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949436)

File search feature in W7 does not work well on network drives, if at all. Workaround is to use virtual XP under W7 to get some work done.

Then - how often does one undo the automatic (by default) snap/all screen window hog feature in W7? Ridiculous!

Not sure who has those ideas? Maybe trying to cut into Apple's pie.

Just bought a WXP SP2 for Eur 15.-

Shit gets shittier (3, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949032)

Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office.

Overheard at Microsoft: "Hey guys, you know that ribbon interface that everybody hated? How about we put it everywhere in the system?"

What's next, will they bring back Bob and Clippy as well?

Re:Shit gets shittier (3, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949056)

Microsoft has a history of shoving features down users throats no matter how much they complain. People loathed Clippy, so what did Microsoft do? They added an animated dog to Windows XP.

Re:Shit gets shittier (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949282)

It's not just Microsoft. Apple's pretty famous for it, and with the Latest Ubuntu release, it's looking like Canonical may be heading down that road too. Sometimes it's the right decision, and sometime's it's not. It's great when the gamble pays off, but it can be really expensive for a company when it doesn't.

Apple famous in what way? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949480)

I'm not saying Apple never added features some people didn't like, but I can't really think of any as things that were "shoved down the users throats" to near-universal dislike.

What features did you have in mind?

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

milbournosphere (1273186) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949312)

In Microsoft's defense, the 'cute doggy', as my girlfriend calls it, was much more popular with the demographic made up of old ladies, babies, and people more susceptible to cute-attacks than the rest of the general population than Clippy ever was. Now if you'll excuse me, I think I hear a 'squeee!' coming from my girlfriend's general direction.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949382)

People loathed Clippy, so what did Microsoft do? They added an animated dog to Windows XP.

The reason everyone hated Clippy was that it intrusively popped up while you were working. On the other hand, the dog was only displayed if you elected to search for something. In fact, I would suggest that Clippy demonstrates that Microsoft will remove features that people do not like. After all, they did get rid of the stupid paperclip after everyone complained.

Re:Shit gets shittier (3, Insightful)

syockit (1480393) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949068)

I don't know who your 'everybody' refers to. Maybe it doesn't include me and the plethora of other satisfied MS Office 2007 users. Are we 'nobodies'?

Re:Shit gets shittier (2)

secretsquirel (805445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949144)

yes

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

JDAustin (468180) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949254)

No, your just people who choose to use a program that requires more keystrokes/clicks to accomplish the same task as Office 2003.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

montibbalt (946696) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949306)

No, your just people who choose to use a program that requires more keystrokes/clicks to accomplish the same task as Office 2003.

I'm no MS apologist, but I would like to see an example of what you're talking about.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949384)

I'm one. The other day I used my brother's corporate laptop, which has a newer version of Office installed

Couldn't understand shit. And i've used word since the 6.0 DOS version.

Why replace perfectly readable letters with cryptic, obscure icons?

If someone doesn't know how to read, then WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE BE USING WORD ANYWAYS.

sorry for the caps.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

firesnowball (2077788) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949348)

No, your just people who choose to use a program that requires more keystrokes/clicks to accomplish the same task as Office 2003.

Forever a Microsoft Office 2003 user.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949374)

I like the ribbon. Everything that I use frequently is as many clicks/keystrokes or fewer than what I did before. Especially styles in Word.

Everything I don't use frequently but do use sometimes, takes fewer keystrokes / clicks / mouse movements by virtue of the fact that I don't have to look for it anymore. Thus, I like the ribbon. I wonder what the specific patterns are among the people who find it takes way more clicks. Might also have to do with smaller monitors, since the ribbon is adaptive.

I did have to relearn a couple things, but adapted. I think I like the ribbon -- for Office. Works fine for Paint too, for my uses (I use paint to zoom in on screenshots to ensure pixel-perfect accuracy, draw straight 1px lines to mark alignment, or put a quick red circle around something wrong if I'm opening a bug). Can't think of anything in paint that takes more clicks.

I'm not sure how Windows 8 will be ribbon-based. Explorer? I'm skeptical of a ribbon there because I almost never use the menu in explorer, except to uncheck "hide extensions for known file types".

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949492)

there are lots of people who are paid by the hour and love those kinds of "features" from Microsoft.

LoB

Re:Shit gets shittier (3, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949098)

I see that you are trying to write an anti-microsoft post. Would you like the Microsoft(r) Social Media Assistant, a Native feature of Genuine IE9, to help you with that?

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949134)

Hey guys, you know that ribbon interface that everybody hated?

Many people don't like change, are satisfied with an existing menu system, and don't see a useful purpose in evolving a GUI paradigm. Others are not as set in their ways.

I have no problems with "ribbons". Yes, it took me some time to master the new Office menu GUI, but I don't "hate" it, and I don't know any open-minded "users" who do. Yes, I know people that "prefer" the old Office menus, but "hate"? No, not really.

I think you are simply biased against Office. Fine, stick with OpenOffice (or whatever flavor thereof...) Or maybe you do all your letter writing with LaTeX?

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949466)

If your definition of not being "open-minded" is "hates the office ribbon interface", then you are correct that open-minded people don't hate it. I personally dislike it, but I don't get so emotional about my OS. I can certainly see how someone that doesn't enjoy trying new interfaces just for the sake of trying them, and just wants to get their job done, could "hate" a new interface that is noticeably worse than the old one.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

TheRealQuestor (1750940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949216)

Clippy IS back in a video teaching people how to use the new ribbon.

Re:Shit gets shittier (4, Insightful)

blai (1380673) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949230)

I don't see why you hate the ribbon so much. It is collapsible (double click any tab), has all items visible in appropriately sized icons (bigger icons are more commonly used) to the user on a single click, and the user may customise locations of icons as well as the availability of shortcut keys, quick access bars and graphical tooltips, just in case you still don't know what clicking on a giant "paste" button does.

Yes, we know some like menus, but as screen resolutions grow, ribbons are the definite way to go. If you don't have a large screen, you will notice collapsing your ribbon will save you about 10 vertical pixels, while the number of clicks to get somewhere remains the same (1~2).

Re:Shit gets shittier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949360)

More like "Hey guys, you know that ribbon interface that a few whiny Slashdot users hated? How about we ignore their irrelevant complaints and put it everywhere in the system?"

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949400)

Ribbon is garbage indeed.
I damned well hate it and I've been on it for 7 or 8 months now, it's horrible. I will stick with 7 if they screw up Windows explorer that badly.

Re:Shit gets shittier (1)

sunfly (1248694) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949408)

Office 97 is the first usable version. According to to MS studies, I'm in the majority. I do realize many people have trouble with change though.

Re:Shit gets shittier (0)

jaymzter (452402) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949428)

^^^^
This. +1

Re:Shit gets shittier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949440)

Immersive browser experience...the same way Biff was "immersed" in a truck load of horse-shit in Back to the Future???

People like what they know ...at first (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949460)

The ribbon is a marked improvement over the old style file menus. People just didn't like it at first because it meant they needed to re-learn the locations of the commands they use. I'm having to relearn where to find certain things on the new Firefox GUI, but that doesn't make it bad.

If someone had been brought up using the ribbon, and you showed them an old-style menu, they'd think it was designed by amateurs. Where do you change settings.... edit>preferences, or tools>options? Find is under edit, not view? And print preview is under file, instead of view? Why is print a file command at all? And why is import, when paste is under edit? Come on, towards the end they were just cramming in new commands wherever they'd fit.

I'm not sure who to feel sorry for... (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949036)

A built-in PDF reader, eh? Should I feel sorrier for Adobe's devs, so incompetent that Microsoft felt the need to step in and provide a PDF reader built by grown-ups, or for Microsoft's XPS team, who have so failed to set the world on fire with XPS that Microsoft felt the need to step in and provide a PDF reader?

Re:I'm not sure who to feel sorry for... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949178)

Interesting because I never heard of the XPS thing until I read it here. I would hope that MS does a decent implementation of PDF because Adobe has had it's share of problems.

Re:I'm not sure who to feel sorry for... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949342)

It shows up behind the scenes a fair bit, because it replaced GDI as Microsoft's native spooler format as of Vista, and "Vista certified" printers are required to work with that(not necessarily by replacing the Postscript RIP with an XPS one; but at least supporting it on the driver level); but I'm fairly sure that I've never seen one in the wild, outside of a few of the newer pages on Microsoft's own site. I can't comment on its technical merits, or lack thereof; but it seems to lag somewhere behind the internationally unrenowned .djvu format when it comes to document distribution.

Re:I'm not sure who to feel sorry for... (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949476)

No one should pity the Adobe Reader devs, after the plague that they've unleashed upon the world. Thank God that Foxit and Sumatra have finally gotten good enough to free us from Adobe's clutches.

Incidentally, that same fact tends to make a MS-supplied reader redundant. I wonder if they just repackaged Sumatra?

Re:I'm not sure who to feel sorry for... (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949500)

Adobe is possibly the only company left which has product which gets preloaded on close to 100% of Windows systems shipped. By Microsoft building their own PDF reader into the OS they remove one of the two Adobe products( Acrobat Reader ) needed to eliminate that threat.

LoB

The Ribbon: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949046)

#1 reason I'm trying to avoid using MS Office.

Re:The Ribbon: (3, Interesting)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949208)

Oh come ON! We're geek here, and my non-geek fiance was able to learn how to use the ribbon in a few minutes.

Are Linux nuts so incapable of learning a UI? Or is it a UI in a Microsoft product that automatically puts up a mental blinder that they cannot push through?

Ever day that passes I have less and less respect for geeks who can't remain impartial.

Re:The Ribbon: (2, Informative)

ThosLives (686517) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949240)

It's not that the ribbon is a new UI to learn. It's that they changed other fundamental things. For instance, a big pet peeve of mine: you used to be able to double-click the axis of a graph to pull up the axis properties dialog; now this doesn't work and you *must* right click and select a menu option (or navigate to the ribbon). Also, the tab stops in the new dialog don't work the way they used to, increasing the number of key-transitions required to change the axis dimensions. This is a real pain for those of us who were forced to use Excel for technical things.

Re:The Ribbon: (1)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949270)

Well hey, that's cool. At least you've got some tangible reasons for not liking the changes. Most people just bash relentlessly without any real basis. That's the main thing which bothers me.

Re:The Ribbon: (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949298)

If microsoft were smart, they'd do what autodesk did with autocad: Provide multiple configurable interfaces, including a /command line/. I mean, when I learned autocad in school, I found myself using the comand line at least as much as the gui, and I'm a guy who learned on Windows mainly.

'Course, I then found out how nice a command line everywhere could be when I switched to Linux; It's now a part of my every day routine. Having a nice command-box in Word/Excel would definitely be nice.

Getting back to the Ribbon, I don't see the benefit. I like the good old file, edit, view menues. It just seems more useful...

Re:The Ribbon: (0)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949362)

The problem is that geeks like to learn things like emacs key combinations and such. When they are presented with an easy interface, they become both suspicious and fearful. They are suspicious of claims that something simple can be powerful, and fearful that it actually might be.

Also, they like to thumb their nose at everyone who isn't like them. Anyone who doesn't like what they like are idiots and are wrong.

Re:The Ribbon: (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949392)

"Oh come ON! We're geek here, and my non-geek fiance was able to learn how to use the ribbon in a few minutes.

Are Linux nuts so incapable of learning a UI? Or is it a UI in a Microsoft product that automatically puts up a mental blinder that they cannot push through?

Ever day that passes I have less and less respect for geeks who can't remain impartial."

it's funny because this is the exact same argument people use against switching to Linux - Things are different, change is hard, it should always work exactly the same!!

It is weird that geeks get stuck in ruts just as badly as everyone else.

I have no comment on the Ribbon UI as I've never (to my knowledge) used it.

In related news (0)

gearloos (816828) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949070)

Microsoft says Give us more money to fix the bugs in Windows 7. It's called Windows 8.

Re:In related news (2)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949212)

Microsoft says Give us more money to fix the bugs in Windows 7. It's called Windows 8.

Not a popular question I know, but I've got to ask... what are these bugs in Win7 that you've encountered that need fixing? Seriously. No, don't go searching for something. Tell me what part of Win7 that you have ever tried to use has failed you due to bug. Not design critique. Bug.

Be real. Given the massive feature set of the OS and how many lines of code there are in it, the thing is very, very reasonable quality-wise.

Re:In related news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949334)

Not OP but I haven't had windows 7 crash on me yet and I've been using it since the leaked beta as my primary OS. The only thing that windows sucks at is when you drag a file to another folder by opening a folder from the task bar (hover over it for 2 seconds) and then you're like... oh, wrong folder! and then you go to drag it to another folder but it won't work. Oh, and the not-so-random blinking of task windows. I know how to trigger it but it's annoying as hell to go back to the window like 3 times before it stops blinking. Other than that, windows has been flawless and it will take a lot for me to move on beyond 7 since it works really, really, really well. Oh right, and if windows does crash, it's likely software or hardware based, not because of the OS (generally speaking).

Re:In related news (1)

Anaerin (905998) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949276)

So they're iterating the version number by 1 instead of 0.1 like Apple do with OSX. Big whup!

Re:In related news (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949380)

Yeah, it's weird how some people expect you to pay them to make things.

Xp (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949084)

>a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office.
>software for a Webcam,
>a new task manager,
>a PDF reader
>an immersive browser.

Gotta wonder why Microsoft aren't selling XP any more, 'cause this is THE BEST possible advert they could ever make.

Has an ARM build leaked? (2)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949106)

I'm actually interested in seeing how well the ARM version handles. Will it actually be able to run quickly on hardware usually much weaker than the average PC? Only one way to find out.

Re:Has an ARM build leaked? (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949182)

It won't be that simple. Microsoft is probably going to be targeting a specific hardware reference design with specific firmware. "ARM" is not a standardized computing platform like PC or CHRP or various others.

Re:Has an ARM build leaked? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949262)

True. Although I do hope a standard ARM-PC platform evolves - something roughly equivalent to the IBM PC standard, although based on modern designs, of course. Something widely cloned and modified, but still close enough to the standard for interoperability.

Re:Has an ARM build leaked? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949412)

I'm inclined to be pessimistic. The economics of interoperability(along with the fact that any stupid proprietary connector gimmicks with have $5 adapters on ebay within the week) seem to be winning, sharply reducing the number of genuinely non-interoperable oddities in the world; but the rise of relatively cheap cryptographic lockdown/DRM mechanisms seems to have replaced them in a number of their former applications. Obfuscation/pointless redesigns/stupid proprietary connectors were a waste of time and money; but were also comparatively simple to defeat, particularly if interest was great enough(the venerable IBM PC, of course, only became ubiquitous once a reverse-engineered BIOS became available). Cryptographic locks, on the other hand, are Hard.

Imagine if Compaq's task had been, rather than cleanrooming the BIOS, dealing with the fact that the BIOS was well known; but only BIOSes signed with an IBM private key would work...

Re:Has an ARM build leaked? (1)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949464)

I really hope not. The strength of ARM is that there really is no standard, so everyone is free to build whatever they want. Look at the breadth of ARM hardware: watches, phones, embedded platforms, video players in airplanes.... How do you shoehorn that into a standard PC platform? I like the bazaar that is ARM. We have the PC cathedral, let the bazaar goers have the ARM.

Re:Has an ARM build leaked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949194)

I played with Windows 8/ARM a couple months ago. It seemed pretty snappy, although an SSD was involved. I've been told they removed a lot of legacy/deprecated code, etc. Any programs will are either .net or will need to be recompiled, so they don't need to worry about windows 3.0 compatibility.

Immersive Browser (0)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949120)

No thanks, mine just needs to browse the web.

crowdsourcing (1, Troll)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949128)

"Surfacings" like this tell me that Microsoft sees the value in crowdsourced opinion gathering far more than they're sometimes given credit for.

Yeah, they like to listen to what everyone has to say, then they listen to the most vocal, stupidest fucking idiots, and inocrporate their preferences into the final releases, with as many bugs as possible left in tact.

Re:crowdsourcing (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949372)

I'm a vocal stupid fucking idiot, and Windows 7 was my idea.

Summary misreading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949150)

I misread the summary as implying that the "leaking" was a milestone. Makes one wonder about the project plan: item 1: put some stuff in; item 2: leak it and gauge response; item 3: emphasise the things people hated about the leaked version...

Re:Summary misreading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949170)

It's like a ballmerized version of open source.

GOOOOO TEAM MICROSOFT!

Last Desktop Like Version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949186)

Think "Windows 365"

Come on fellas (2)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949206)

In the good old days you got rants like the holy fire of whatever god you think is the coolest rained down on the world.

These are the most pathetic Microsoft bashes I've ever read.

Not even an M$ so far. WTF?

Re:Come on fellas (1)

Tawnos (1030370) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949364)

It truly is "The End Of Days"

Pre-beta? (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949218)

is there some reason we can't just call it an Alpha?

Re:Pre-beta? (1)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949272)

Possibly it's pre-alpha and is just a hash of component parts in various dev builds. Who knows. Personally I'd call an alpha build the start of combining structures of the OS to aim for a workable beta build. For instance, any ARM stuff is probably kept completely out of the way for now and I'd hope eventually the ARM and x86 builds will combine into a single windows version (! one can hope - I hate the Basic/Premium/Business/Ult fragmentation as it is. Don't add an Arm variant to that too)

Re:Pre-beta? (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949314)

I guess it should be called I development version. I don't think it's quite alpha yet.

Don't give them credit at all - why would you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949226)

"Surfacings" like this tell me that Microsoft sees the value in crowdsourced opinion gathering far more than they're sometimes given credit for.

So if I was to e.g. raise a question about, oh say, the fact that since Vista I can no longer edit multiple folders' security attributes, then they would listen? Or if, say, it turned out that on the flagship version of this new OS, fax configuration could be corrupt out-of-the-box, then they would fix it?

They may gather some feedback on the colour scheme, but MS is certainly not going to start listening to their customers.

Why post this here? (0)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949258)

I don't understand why Slashdot posts Windows articles anymore. All you get is flaming by "geeks" who can switch from Windows to Linux and adapt to entirely different UIs and desktop paradigms, yet consistently flame the ribbon interface despite the fact my non-geek fiance was capable of making the transition from Office 2003 -> 2007 within a few minutes.

Very few people on Slashdot have any objectivity and can see improvements for what they are. You don't come here for quality discussion on Microsoft stuff, which I feel is a damn shame. There are a lot of intelligent people around here who are able to contribute to some deep and thoughtful discussions, but anything about Microsoft and the 2-minute hate starts.

Windows 7 + Office 2010 is some of the best work MS has done in recent times, and very few people on Slashdot are willing to at least acknowledge this. If they did, perhaps things would be more civil around here. But no, instead the circle-jerk continues.

Re:Why post this here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949324)

All you get is flaming by "geeks" who can switch from Windows to Linux and adapt to entirely different UIs and desktop paradigms, yet consistently flame the ribbon interface despite the fact my non-geek fiance was capable of making the transition from Office 2003 -> 2007 within a few minutes.

Wrong. What's bad is change for the sake of change. It affects the "power users" who are dependent on a piece of software quite badly. And if you think "geeks" here switch from Windows to Linux easily, it's because the UI is (was) *better* and more intuitive. And if you think this is flaming, you should see the stuff going on in the Linux world regarding UI change.

Oh, and XP and Vista have too many BSODs, and Vista sucks monkey balls.

Re:Why post this here? (1)

Anthelme (1759920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949350)

About the same reason a new person should be wary of posting asking for help on a linux system. There trolls, they just dont want to be called trolls.

Re:Why post this here? (2)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949368)

See, that's the thing: Geeks want to adapt if the new paradidgm is /better/ than the old one. If it's the same or worse, geeks will simply go 'why bother?', or 'I have to /pay/ for something /less/ useful? get real!'
This is why Android tablets have taken off among the geeks: The new paradidgm is better than the old one(for some things).
With Linux, you're at least gaining a load of programming tools, free software(as in beer), and the gui interface isn't that much different from XP.

As far as office goes, it's a matter of the old version doing just as well with less resources on top of not needing to learn a new version. Why upgrade for no appreciable benefit?

Re:Why post this here? (0)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949376)

Very few people on Slashdot have any objectivity and can see improvements for what they are

Just wanted to add... objectivity about UI changes? Surely you're joking, Mr. Atomic Butterfly!

About stuff that you can actually be objective about, Slashdot has come through. Maybe it's just you who is feeling victimized by /. for being a Windows user.

Re:Why post this here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949394)

I don't understand why Slashdot posts Windows articles anymore. All you get is flaming by "geeks" who can switch from Windows to Linux and adapt to entirely different UIs and desktop paradigms, yet consistently flame the ribbon interface despite the fact my non-geek fiance was capable of making the transition from Office 2003 -> 2007 within a few minutes.

Very few people on Slashdot have any objectivity and can see improvements for what they are. You don't come here for quality discussion on Microsoft stuff, which I feel is a damn shame. There are a lot of intelligent people around here who are able to contribute to some deep and thoughtful discussions, but anything about Microsoft and the 2-minute hate starts.

Windows 7 + Office 2010 is some of the best work MS has done in recent times, and very few people on Slashdot are willing to at least acknowledge this. If they did, perhaps things would be more civil around here. But no, instead the circle-jerk continues.

Windows Vista and Office 2007 drove me to Ubuntu because Vista was just a bloated pig with no real improvement apart from glitz, and Office 2007 just had too many crippled features.

Now I am using Windows 7 and Office 2010 and there is no comparison in the Linux world. Sure there are some great Desktop systems but until there is a comparable office suite for Linux I am stuck with MS Office. When I can do userforms and create my own interfaces in Openoffice/Libreoffice I may consider going back.

I do still run Ubuntu on a second computer but with Ubuntu's change to the Unity desktop and the advent of Gnome 3 I think I will be looking for a good KDE or XFCE system for that computer.

Re:Why post this here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949438)

The real question, then, is: Why are you here?

Immersive (4, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949264)

IE 6 was also an 'immersive' browser. It made me want to drown myself.

Genuine Advantage (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949284)

FTA:

"Microsoft declined to verify the authenticity of the milestone release. "

Dang! Genuine Advantage strikes again!

immersive browser, like Win98? (2)

r00t (33219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949300)

Anybody else remember it?

Your desktop background was a browser.

You had a side panel with "channels".

Web sites were supposed to continuously push feed to you, just like TV.

Windows 8 ? (0)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949308)

people didnt even migrate to windows 7. they didnt even feel the need to. why a new windows version ?

Re:Windows 8 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949424)

People did migrate but you're just one of those fucktards who hates to face the fact that not everyone hates Microsoft or Windows. In fact, very few really do. But keep living in your fantasy land. Are you one of the morons who keep claiming that this is the year of Linux on desktop?

Re:Windows 8 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949444)

people didnt even migrate to windows 7. they didnt even feel the need to. why a new windows version ?

Because of directX (gaming).

If I could run new games smoothly on any Linux distro I would not even bother with windows, but as it stands I still feel the need to dual boot to windows and to sometimes upgrade just to play the latest video games

Re:Windows 8 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949448)

people didnt even migrate to vista. they didnt even feel the need to. why a new windows version ?

Obviously, because they can have any version they want, as long as its black. I mean 8.

Re:Windows 8 ? (2)

bruno.fatia (989391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949470)

Because the development of a OS isn't something that can be done within a year. Windows 8 won't be here soon, and they probably started working on it at the same time Windows 7 was RTM.

Re:Windows 8 ? (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35949498)

People didn't migrate to Windows 7? Is that why it runs on over 30% of PCs worldwide, and is the most used OS in the United States?

Re:Windows 8 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949504)

I don't understand what you're getting at. Microsoft should halt development of their OS until the majority of people have upgraded to the last released version?

Bad Bad Idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949318)

"Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office."

The ribbon interface is patently nasty and offers absolutely no functional or even aesthetic improvement. It was a bad idea in office partly because it is awful and clunky to work with and partly because it completely broke UI consistency. Instead of fixing the office interface they are going to bring consistency by forcing this crappy new design onto the entire OS?

A package manager finally? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949328)

One of the things that continually pisses me off about every version of windows is that there is that the package manager sucks. They sorely need something like aptitude or I will never be able to use it for any serious purpose. Having a good package manager with support for 3rd parties to serve their own repositories would go a long way towards me not hating them. I've used Windows, I currently use Linux and Macintosh because of features like this that save time. OSX is only kind of convenient because you can use Homebrew or Macports or what have you, but being able to provision a machine quickly and without endlessly clicking 'Next' while installing software is priceless.

But does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949426)

Or will it at least be able to read from (and maybe even write to) other file systems than FAT and NTFS?

Obligatory Year of the Linux Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35949474)

Windows 8 is going to suck so badly, and everyone is going to switch to Linux in 2012.
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