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Ubuntu 11.04, Slackware 13.37

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the if-it-ain't-broke-upgrade dept.

Ubuntu 266

Approximately one billion Slashdot readers wrote in to tell us today that one of two distributions had releases: the new Ubuntu sports the Unity interface, marking a 'radical departure' from its UI of old. Now the more ancient and bearded amongst you might be interested in Patrick announcing the latest Slackware release which clearly has the most 1337 version number to date.

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It's Linsux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962652)

No one cares

Re:It's Linsux (1, Offtopic)

L-four (2071120) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962748)

No one cares

Geeks do, Linux is awesome source.

Re:It's Linsux (2)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963062)

While you're at it, ask the guy what is he doing on a linux powered website, inside a linux story thread, if nobody cares.

Re:It's Linsux (3, Interesting)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964412)

I care, but mostly because the new unity interface is goddamn retarded. I installed the beta a couple weeks back. Gave it a couple hours to try and get used to it, and just couldn't. I could see it working well for a tablet, but for my laptop it's completely useless.

The only good thing is that they give you the option to switch back to gnome, but metacity seems to be completely broken for me, and hardware acceleration no longer works. As far as I'm concerned, Ubuntu 11.04 is a step backwards. Now I'm looking at either switching to XFCE for the interface, or maybe ditching Ubuntu entirely and going with a different flavor.

first post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962658)

yay!

Re:first post (2)

amn108 (1231606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963516)

Only if you suck at arithmetic.

Both? (5, Insightful)

mescobal (1516701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962666)

Doesn't both news deserve a separate note?

Re:Both? (1)

Random2 (1412773) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962692)

It's easier to condense them into one post than trying to weed out the best individual topic. Check the firehose, it's littered with submissions.

which one on top? (0)

hviezda14 (580875) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962730)

the main reason for merging was, the slashdot could not decide if Slacware should be on top, or Ubuntu.

Re:which one on top? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962760)

Ubuntu should be on top. Twice to be sure.

I'm sure all the bottoms who use Slackware will disagree.

Re:which one on top? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962766)

That's easy. Ubuntu is clearly a bottom.

Re:which one on top? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963112)

Well, it definitely smells like one.

Re:Both? (1)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963428)

The problem with this is inevitable flame wars. You are going to see Ubuntu guys point out their position on Distrowatch, and Slackware sneering at the Ubuntu guys.

Re:Both? (1)

x*yy*x (2058140) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963724)

.. and that is the problem. Instead of that bullshit flame wars between distros, why not just concentrate on making the whole system better for user. Imagine how childish it would be if Microsoft and Apple did that.

Re:Both? (2)

volkerdi (9854) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964262)

.. and that is the problem. Instead of that bullshit flame wars between distros, why not just concentrate on making the whole system better for user. Imagine how childish it would be if Microsoft and Apple did that.

Don't you mean bullshit flame wars between _users_?

Congrats on the new release, Ubuntu!

Re:Both? (1)

higuita (129722) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963772)

No problem at all, both are clearly for totally different user targets, each side will mostly ignore the other... of course there will be always some black sheep's, but those will troll both storied, no matter if nested or isolated...
and everyone knows that slackware is the best! ;)

Re:Both? (1)

underqualified (1318035) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964336)

good call. slackware has the friendliest community forum that i've used. and i assume, coz i've never really tried it, that ubuntu has a friendly community forum as well. i find the juxtaposition interesting. slackware tends to be stuck in the past (yeah, yeah, stability and stuff. i use slackware too. go away.) and ubuntu seems to go against accepted "practices"(remember wayland?).

Re:Both? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962754)

They both did get such; I suspect you mean that each desrves a separate note.

You are correct.

Re:Both? (1, Offtopic)

mescobal (1516701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962814)

They both did get such; I suspect you mean that each desrves a separate note.

You are correct.

Yes, sorry, my fault, my lame English.... My wife is an English teacher and I'm a Psychiatrist... Yes... your conclusion (whatever it is) is probably right... :-)

Re:Both? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963384)

My wife is an English teacher and I'm a Psychiatrist

How does that make you feel? What do you remember of your mother?

Re:Both? (5, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962816)

Then there would be no room on the homepage for important announcements like an iPhone color change!

Re:Both? (-1, Redundant)

Qubit (100461) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962836)

MOD PARENT UP

Re:Both? (0)

obergfellja (947995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962986)

mod up parent.

Re:Both? (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963188)

I'm amazed there was any space left on the front page after all those troll articles about the "tracking" "scandal", some even dupes from 2010 trying to pass off old information as new news. Anything to keep the FUD machine going.

Re:Both? (1)

unperson (223869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964272)

Normally, I'd dog on the editors for this too, but I just noticed the, the "OMG wyte ifone" submission has almost twice the comments as this announcment...it'll be interesting to check back on the comment count in a few hours to see what /.'ers really care about these days!

No, the purpose is to argue about which is better (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963862)

Silly.

I was online at midnight CDT (-1, Troll)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962686)

I was ready to install last night. Officially, it was April 28, and not only was it not available for download - they didn't give the hour.

I'm done complaining now. I use OS X as my main OS, Windows 7 as my secondary, but I'm excited to see Unity. It's about time they start innovating past Windows/Mac instead of mostly cloning.

Re:I was online at midnight CDT (3, Interesting)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963788)

Um, Unity is just another move toward cloning the Mac interface:

1. Global menu? Mac has had that forever
2. Monochrome notifications on the top right? Check
3. Dock? Check (except its on the *side*!)

The only differences I see so far are annoying ones:

1. The global menu is not always active, so it is non obvious how to access it
2. On mouseover the global menu obscures the window title
3. The maximize behavior with the close/minimize/restore buttons in the panel is just ugly and unweidly
4. The dock hides and appears in a nonsensical, semi-random fashion. It should be always on or auto-hide -- "dodge windows" is just weird
5. It has the dash, which is completely useless once you get the apps you use pinned to the dock
6. It crashed like crazy when testing in VirtualBox ... not sure I want to attempt it on my main system

I got an upgrade notice this morning and for the first time in 3 years I declined.

Re:I was online at midnight CDT (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964148)

i've been saying the same thing since forever but no one seems to notice! unity is just a step further in ubuntu's attempt to clone osx. from the abrupt change of the titlebar buttons to the new and shiny dock, everything is just parodying osx.

Late to the party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963994)

It's about time they start innovating past Windows/Mac instead of mostly cloning.

You haven't been around linux much, have you? Linux window managers and desktop environments have been doing their own thing since the very beginning. There are a slew of unique and innovative solutions to choose from today, just as there were 5 years ago, and just as there were 10 years ago. I remember trying out Enlightenment back in the late 90's. That was quite a shock compared to windows 98. It seemed like something out of the future, the impossible being made possible. Today that innovation continues in the form of KDE 4, GNOME shell, and Ubuntu with the Unity interface, among many smaller projects that are every bit as unique.

But now I'm part of the camp that DOESN'T want the innovation -- I found my desktop preference in the simple, efficient GUI with basic capabilities that doesn't get in your way (like XFCE). Hell, if anything, there is TOO MUCH innovation in the linux desktop market, and I'd prefer to see a movement towards simplicity and it's counterpart, stability.

Re:I was online at midnight CDT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964178)

I don't want innovation, I want a functional desktop I can get work done on.

OH BUT WAIT I guess they know what I need more than I do, I'm glad they took away my config options.

A radical departure? (3, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962710)

Most of what it does is Compiz, it has a menu bar and a dock. You still log in through gdm and it still pops up on the wrong monitor when I have 'em both active.

On the other hand, it is awfully more mac-like, what with Unity stealing menu bars left and right, but not always.

Still the same theme from Maverick with the gadgets on the wrong side but now it makes sense because it makes sense for the gadgets to be on that side when they get snarfed into the top bar.

I'm just glad that they managed to get the dock pop-up/click behavior ironed out before the release, I noticed they finally fixed this in the last day or two. And the Applications place seems to actually have stuff in it every time I click it now. For a few days there I had to type to see anything the first time I used it.

All in all if you're not married to a particular interface it's not an unpleasant change, and it does look nice. Amusingly, to me it is reminiscent of the Zune Desktop Theme [cnet.com] for Windows XP. That's nice for me because I'm a dual-boot user again, and that's my XP theme of choice :)

Re:A radical departure? (2)

lee1 (219161) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963020)

Business as usual: no reason to change from dwm [suckless.org] .

Re:A radical departure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963338)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll note that in my diary.

Why upgrade? (2, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962718)

I find Kubuntu Lucid LTS stable enough for me these days and cannot really see any reason to upgrade to Natty. I think I'm going to stick to the LTS releases from now on since the new features just aren't compelling enough. Anyone else feel the same?

Re:Why upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962772)

I might play around with it... I only use Ubuntu on my laptop, which I basically use to watch YouTube videos at night before bed. It really doesn't have to do all that much to make me happy.

I do have a server that I'm keeping at LTS releases... and I really don't care about Unity for a headless server anyways.

Re:Why upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963066)

I basically use to watch YouTube videos at night before bed. It really doesn't have to do all that much to make me happy.

You meant YouPorn, right?

Re:Why upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962856)

I'll keep my work desktop on 10.10. It's pretty stable right now, and my last two upgrade experiences with this machine have gone poorly. I'll probably upgrade my home machines sometime this weekend.

Re:Why upgrade? (1)

obergfellja (947995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963060)

ever since 9.10 issue (with the usb), I have held off by a month atleast from release date, so you're not alone, buddy.

Re:Why upgrade? (2)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962960)

Thats what VirtualBox is for, when you get that non-LTS itch. :)

Re:Why upgrade? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962984)

> Anyone else feel the same?

I don't. KDE has made significant strides since Lucid.

Re:Why upgrade? (2)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962994)

While the OS itself might not change, usually app versions get frozen to a particular level per release and only get updated in the repositories (aside from security and major bugfixes) on the change of the OS version. You can get around this by using PPA's, but IMHO those often cause some issues.

All in all, for me it's worth upgrading just to get new versions of most of the applications. I might would stick to the LTS releases if I used my system for "real work", but in reality at work I'm stuck with Windows 7 and Ubuntu is just what I use at home where a stability is important, but not paramount.

Re:Why upgrade? (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963236)

Yep.
I stick to the LTS releases because I am too lazy to update (yes, even if it is just a click in the update manager, and a 10 minute wait). :-)

My 10.4 has all the functionality I need, and I can wait for the next LTS which, if I am not mistaken, is the next 11.10 in October. I'll probably update by January or March 2012.

I am one of those mainstream desktop users which comprise 90% of the desktop market, using only 10% of the functionality of the computer for 90% of the time.

Re:Why upgrade? (2)

mikechant (729173) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963518)

My 10.4 has all the functionality I need, and I can wait for the next LTS which, if I am not mistaken, is the next 11.10 in October.

Next LTS is 12.4 as per the 2 yearly sequence 8.4, 10.4, 12.4, 14.4 etc.

GPT Support (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962720)

Do either of these support installing to a GPT partition? I've been looking around for a Linux distro that actually allows me to install to a GPT disk without much fuss and haven't had any luck so far. It would be nice since my main reason for wanting GPT is Linux obsession with using up all my primary partitions.

Now if only Win XP could be made to boot from a GPT partition without sacrificing all the extra partitions I could have with GPT.

Re:GPT Support (2)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962818)

Do either of these support installing to a GPT partition?

Yes, but you need a BIOS that will boot from it. I have my Ubuntu 10.04 MythTV server installed with a GPT partition table, but I have to boot it from the other disk which has a DOS partition table because the BIOS can't find the GPT boot partition.

Re:GPT Support (2)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962978)

More specifically, you need a system that uses uEFI firmware in place of BIOS.

Re:GPT Support (2)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962820)

Um. Debian has for... a while now. So has Ubuntu. I've not had any problem with either. Just remember to leave a 1MB chunk at the bottom and set the bios_grub flag so grub has somewhere to install to.

Re:GPT Support (2)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962872)

I don't know anything about GPT, but every linux distro I've used will happily install to a single partition. IMHO there's no very strong reason to have separate swap and boot partitions and so on.

Re:GPT Support (3, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963018)

IMHO there's no very strong reason to have separate swap and boot partitions and so on.

There's at least one good reason to have separate / and /home partitions: Linux really, really hates bad blocks on the / partition, so if you use the entire disk for / then one bad block can stop you booting until you manually perform a long fsck to fix it.

Re:GPT Support (2)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963110)

Not to mention that, although it's not needed often, it's great when you can wipe out all the system partitions but leave /home intact during a reinstall.

I learned a long time ago how helpful it could be to move My Documents on a Windows machine to a separate partition from the Windows and Program Files folders. Reinstalling is much easier without having to back up personal stuff first. Even though I use it a lot less in Linux old habits die hard and I always try to keep personal files separate from system files, no matter what OS I am using.

Off to fire up Virtual Box and try 'em both!

Re:GPT Support (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964350)

However, one recent version of Kubuntu managed to mess up my father’s /home nonetheless. Separate partition, don’t touch anything, but most of his picture and document folders were simply gone. I managed to recover quite a bit, but the filenames and organization were lost.

Still, it’s generally a good thing.

Re:GPT Support (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963164)

IMHO there's no very strong reason to have separate swap and boot partitions and so on.

And when you wipe that partition, or "something" accidentally wipes it, there goes /home (which should *always* go on it own partition).

Re:GPT Support (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963336)

Unless they accidentally wipe your home partition...

Re:GPT Support (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964270)

In which case you still have all the apps in / to to restore /home from backup.

Re:GPT Support (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963558)

You need a backup of home regardless of partitioning strategy, so there's no advantage there.

If anything, it's having to futz with partitions in the first place that leads to mistakes involving them. And there's less futzing if you keep it simple. (An example would be resizing partitions because you need more on /var and have empty space on /home).

Re:GPT Support (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964362)

You need a backup of home regardless of partitioning strategy, so there's no advantage there.

Of course there is: "safety backup" is a hell of a lot faster than "mandatory backup + restore".

(An example would be resizing partitions because you need more on /var and have empty space on /home).

I know I don't run a server, but it's been a decade since /var caused me any real problems.

Who else is waiting for the "got yah" of Unity? (1)

upuv (1201447) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962764)

I'm waiting for the overly keen to discover the pain for me and report it faithfully to /.

Just getting to old to beat my head into the keyboard any more. Well in this case touch screen.

Re:Who else is waiting for the "got yah" of Unity? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963012)

(Inserting from elsewhere AC said: I'll keep my work desktop on 10.10. It's pretty stable right now, and my last two upgrade experiences with this machine have gone poorly. I'll probably upgrade my home machines sometime this weekend.)

You said "I'm waiting for the overly keen to discover the pain for me and report it faithfully to /.

Just getting to old to beat my head into the keyboard any more. Well in this case touch screen."

See, this is what troubles me. What should be the absolute heart of slashdot, two new releases of Linux, sporting different styles, is getting some 30 posts for BOTH distros combined, and you're the fourth to say "I'm beat, the exhausting tweaking is no longer for me".

Re:Who else is waiting for the "got yah" of Unity? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963276)

It is part of growing up. Eventually you do not care about what your background looks like. You have other things to spend your time on. One of those is not tweaking every last setting. It is why Apple is doing decently. They pick a style and you dont change it much.

Eventually you get lazy and dont care. A year or two it will all change again and you really do not feel like tweaking 2000 settings to 'make it how you like it'. It is nice that they are there. But I gave up years ago. It is part of the reason I switched to Ubuntu from slackware. May go back though. Ubuntu is getting to be a pain to maintain (at least for me).

Honestly though the new interface is a pain in the ass. I have been using it for about year on a netbook. When it works (which is not often) you never can find anything and end up searching for it anyway. Then the search is slow too.

These days when I install a fresh OS I put my 5 or so apps I use on it and go about my business. I do not really bother with the settings anymore. They will change in a year or two anyway. Its not worth keeping up with...

Says more about slashdot than anything else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963450)

ie the only people who still read slashdot are old timers who can't be arsed to find a better site.

Re:Who else is waiting for the "got yah" of Unity? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964256)

and you're the fourth to say "I'm beat, the exhausting tweaking is no longer for me".

Because most people have graduated from college and don't have hours and hours of spare time to dick around with a ton of settings just to get something set up properly? This is the reason why Linux will never win the desktop and the only reason why it is doing well on phones via Android is that Google knows that most people don't want to dick around with all sorts of configuration. Hence why Android has rather sane defaults on vanilla and the phone makers run their own tweaks and most people are fine.

One billion Slashdot readers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35962782)

Another news story:

Slashdot has become the world's most popular new source, eclipsing FoxNew, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, and Al Jazeera.

Re:One billion Slashdot readers (1)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962962)

oh haaaaa you interpreted hyperbole literally ohaaaaaa i just died laughing oh man thats the funniest thing i will ever read in a million years

Re:One billion Slashdot readers (1)

Ultra64 (318705) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964096)

" thats the funniest thing i will ever read in a million years"

Well, yeah. You certainly won't live to be a million.

Xubuntu for me (3, Interesting)

danbuter (2019760) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962890)

I really don't care for either Gnome Shell or Unity, so I'm going to give xfce a whirl for the next 6 months.

Re:Xubuntu for me (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963094)

I was playing with it myself about a week ago. I can honestly say that though it takes a bit of configuring, you can get XFCE looking much like the Gnome2 UI. My only show stopper issue for the time being was the XFCE's compositor just wasn't as good as Compiz (it caused some issues playing videos), and my dock-bar of choice (Docky) won't work without one. I can enable Compiz naturally, but it was trying to take over control of the desktop icons and such.

It's probably something that could be worked around given enough time though - I just couldn't find the solution in the hour or two I was experimenting with it. I can say with a certainty though that I prefer even the default/stock XFCE setup more than Unity, Gnome 3 Shell, or KDE, so at a minimum I'll be on XFCE if/when the legacy Gnome UI gets pulled - probably before just to be preemptive.

I had actually thought about switching back to Windows due to the Unity/Gnome Shell issue actually. I gave that a shot though and was unpleasantly reminded about spyware - a concept I had nearly completely forgotten about since switching to Ubuntu circa 9.04 (at least full time - I've been dual-booting Linux since 1998 or so).

Re:Xubuntu for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964318)

You can run Compiz in XFCE. I've been doing it for years at home, and it works quite nicely. I forget the details, but you basically just have to add a "Startup Application" of something like emerald --replace

Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (3, Insightful)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962980)

I tried using Unity while Natty was in beta and it caused me to jump to Fedora 15. Unity has always struck me as a train wreck of usability. Global menus that are always present... unless they're not, because it depends on the application. A dock that is always there on the left, unless it isn't in order to get out of the way. It's a little too busy, a little to buggy, and a little too inconsistent with itself. I know I'm in a minority right now but I think Gnome-Shell is a better approach. I'm not starting a flame war here, I know GS isn't readily configurable, has issues with network manager, and has countless other things that need to mature. I can't help but think Canonicals reach has exceeded their grasp.

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963008)

If the taskbar in gnome shell showed more than the current active window I may have loaded fedora on my netbook for fun. If somebody knows how to configure the task bar to show all open windows, please let me know. Jason

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963052)

I've found both of them rather crappy, to be honest. Hopefully by the time Ubuntu stop supporting Gnome 2 one or the other will actually be usable or I'll have to switch to Redhat.

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963222)

Since you're using Fedora 15 maybe you could explain something to me that I don't quite get about Gnome 3.

I played around with a Gnome 3 live CD based on suse, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to put items on desktop. It seemed like there was no right clicking on the desktop to create a file. Putting files in ~/Desktop didn't show up where I thought they should. Is the Gnome 3 desktop just for displaying wallpaper now? Or is there some new paradigm I'm completely missing?

I mean, I can kind of understand the whole no minimizing thing, and I can probably learn to get behind it, but my workflow is completely centered around files on my desktop. I can't get past that.

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (2)

GauteL (29207) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963424)

" Is the Gnome 3 desktop just for displaying wallpaper now?"

Bingo. The new paradigm is that windows will always obstruct the wallpaper and so icons on the desktop are pointless. I personally agree with that notion, but it may not suit everyone.

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964376)

So, Gnome is rediscovering Enlightenment?

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963652)

You can't actually put anything on the desktop by default. You can install the "gnome-tweak-tool" and have Nautilus draw your desktop. After selecting that you can then put icons on the desktop.

http://osdir.com/ml/general/2011-03/msg20339.html

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963790)

Ah! Thanks for that!

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963232)

I assume the global menu require the cooperation of the application's widget set, i.e. when the app launches, the menu widget sees the global menu proxy and coordinates to show its menus through that instead of rendering it's own. Of course apps which fake a menu or use some weird widget set may not behave as they are meant to behave.

What I find particularly annoying about the single menu there is no way to change the behaviour in the UI. I appreciate that in a small netbook with a touchpad that a single menu is probably a good thing since it saves vertical space on all app windows and minimizes clutter. However on large displays it is counter productive - it increases the amount of mouse travel required to do simple multitasking e.g. if I have app in the background and I want to access it's menus I first have to locate one of its windows or icon, click it and then travel to the top of the window and click on the menu and possibly travel back down to the window again. Whereas with menus on windows I can just click straight on the menu, bring the app to the foreground at the same time.

At the very least it should be a configuration setting even if it requires a logout to take effect. It would also be nice to see the Unity shell be configurable too so that users can choose the hide / show behaviour, the position & scale of the dock and all the other things that would be taken for granted on any other modern desktop UI.

Re:Unity vs. Gnome-Shell (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963874)

Ubuntu was crashing more than Windows 7 before made Compiz mandatory, I can't see how this helps stability. But at least they realized after a 5 years of widescreen monitors that a dock on the side of the screen may be useful, so this was a necessity to stay relevant in my opinion.

Beards (1)

Vyse of Arcadia (1220278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35962982)

I do have a beard, dammit. Stop stereotyping me!

Just switched (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963006)

Just switched to Slack last week. First time I've used it since slackware 3.0
I'm happy. It's got a nice clean feel without all the layers and obfuscation - it just stays out of the way and lets me do whatever I'm doing. Nice and simple. And that's the way I like it.

Re:Just switched (1)

fwarren (579763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963082)

It must be nice being Pat right now. Since he no longer bundles Gnome, non of this mess is a problem for him.

Someone else can bundle Gnome 2 and Unity, or bundle Gnome 3 with the Gnome Shell.

Either way, Pat does not have to worry about it.

Re:Just switched (1)

slackzilly (2033012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963186)

That is because Pat is a genius.

zomg torrent plz (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963054)

For the bearded folk:
Slackware Torrents [slackware.com]

and for the rest of you:
Ubuntu Torrents [ubuntu.com]

Re:zomg torrent plz (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963744)

For the bearded folk

I'm gay and I just asked my wife what this meant.
We still don't know.

It looks like Ubuntu Netbook Remix. (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963086)

The release looks very much like the desktop on the Ubuntu Netbook Remix distribution.

Congrats to Pat but ... (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963178)

... I hope 13.37 is better than 13.1. I upgraded to the latter from 13.0 on my laptop and stuff just stopped working properly so I had to revert back to 13.0.

Fingers crossed for 13.37 and kudos to Pat and the guys for still doing Slackware in the face of all the corporate competition (no I don't mean MS or Apple, I mean Novell, RedHat AND Canonical).

Where are they going? (1)

chargersfan420 (1487195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963224)

Step 1: Change default background picture from ugly orange/brown to even uglier pinky purple.
Step 2: Move window controls to the left.
Step 3: Design a new interface that steals window menu bars and moves them to the top of the screen, only for the active window.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Change their name to FreeMac

Seriously, though... Are they trying to copy OSX?

I used Unity for about 15 minutes before I decided I'm never going to like it. Returning to Gnome 2.x was pretty easy though, but for some reason Emerald is totally broken. I also gave Gnome 3 a spin and while it has some nice features, I prefer the classic "Applications | Places | System" menu that has become so familiar. If this mess keeps up, I'll have to give KDE another spin.

Re:Where are they going? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963340)

All of that is why I'm bailing to LinuxMint.

Re:Where are they going? (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963718)

I tried Gnome 3 for less than a day before completely removing Gnome from my system and putting Xfce4 on there. It seems to be the only sane desktop environment left.
With Gnome, you have a perfectly working desktop with version 2, which they are now completely throwing away for their UI that looks like it was made for a tablet, and with KDE you have 100,000 settings to tweak, which all seem to conflict with each other, and it still can't do something simple like auto-mount a network share on the fly.

Re:Where are they going? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964134)

I used Unity for about 15 minutes before I decided I'm never going to like it.

That is a privilege reserved for old, worn out people or people with a degree in interface-usability.

For you to decry the usefulness of an interface, at least put your ass into it and switch completely to the given interface for an extended period. When you no longer draw upon the paradigms of your former UI to utilize the new, THEN you can judge without bias whether something is better or worse.

Of course, using said approach, one will never get to post their criticism on /. as the story would be old and stale.

No Offense to Slackware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963346)

I do appreciate the good work by Pat and Slackware community for such a long time. But I think is time for Slackware to join forces with like minded linux distribution(s). This is the only way for Slackware to remain relevant in 2011 onwards. Matching rpms and debian(YUM/APT) packages is not easy unless there is a substantial epackage/repository management effort but non corporate sources.
I am sorry but the fact of the matter is user(non geek) don't want to run make clean install in 2011

Re:No Offense to Slackware (2)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963688)

"This is the only way for Slackware to remain relevant in 2011 onwards"

Slackware is still relevant. Plenty of people still use it. If you don't like the way its done then pick a different distro. I use it precisely because it doesn't use rpms or yum with all the attendent dependency hell. I can use slackpkg if I want but I'm perfectly happy with tar and administering my system manually thanks.

"I am sorry but the fact of the matter is user(non geek) don't want to run make clean install in 2011"

A non geek user would choose slackware in the first place. Slackware is FOR geeks and thats the way it should stay.

Re:No Offense to Slackware (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963776)

And yet Slackware is still relevant regardless of what you just declared. The fact of the matter is that Slackware isn't for you non-geek users, so just be happy with Ubuntu.

Stereotype FAIL (1)

SigmundFloyd (994648) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963382)

Despite not being ancient or bearded, I'll take Slackware any day, thankyouverymuch.

Unity (2)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963614)

Almost makes me want to give Slackware a go.

Re:Unity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963968)

You should.
It's easy to install and to configure provided you can live with KDE or XFCE before installing gnome 3 (gnomeslackbuild.org) or anything else...

Plus, it's 1337.

Enjoy.

11.04 NVidia Warning (2)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963644)

Just as a heads up, if you are running an NVidia card that is not handled by either Nouveau or the nvidia-current, do not upgrade. There is a major bug where the wrong dependancies are called. I imagine now that Natty is out it will get fixed fairly quickly but just an FYI.

Wayland? (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964214)

Does Ubuntu 11.04 now use Wayland [wikipedia.org] instead of X?

Re:Wayland? (2)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964450)

no. that might be 11.10.

one billion Slashdot readers? (1)

doperative (1958782) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964238)

> Approximately one billion Slashdot readers wrote in to tell us today that one of two distributions had releases:

You have a million million or 10^12 readers ?

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