Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Geohot Denies Involvement In PSN Hack Attack

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the thats-what-i'd-say-too dept.

Sony 136

Stoobalou writes "Soon-to-be-celebrity hacker and thorn in Sony's side George 'Geohot' Hotz has denied any involvement in the ongoing breach at the PlayStation Network. The 21-year-old hacker — who is best known for creating the first software-based hack for the iPhone, and getting hypervisor access and exposing the root key to the PlayStation 3 — has made it clear that he had nothing to do with filleting Sony's online gaming servers, saying 'I'm not crazy.'"

cancel ×

136 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Who the hell cares? (5, Insightful)

Random2 (1412773) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963810)

Why would he be involved? Holtz is becoming a useless keyword to generate 'news'.

Stop pulling these stories off the hose just because there's nothing else interesting.

Re:Who the hell cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963936)

Holtz is becoming a useless keyword to generate 'news'.

Well, of course Holtz is becoming useless... What about Hotz, though?

Why yes, I did wake up on the wrong side of the snark bed this morning, and no, my coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

cheeks5965 (1682996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964314)

ouch you beat me to the joke. touche!

Re:Who the hell cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964402)

Sorry, I also got out of the quick-witted bed this morning too, and no, my second coffee hasn't even kicked in yet! I also made a snarky yet quick-witted remark to my wife about the hairs growing out of the stretch marks around her belly, but she didn't take it with such gentlemanly grace as yourself!

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

OffaMyLawn (1885682) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964952)

You're still breathing? Not sure I could get away with that...

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965812)

You're still breathing? Not sure I could get away with that...

Well, he apparently got his UID kicked out of him. Sounds like he's in a pretty bad way.

Re:Who the hell cares? (2)

tysonedwards (969693) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963974)

I also unequivocally deny being involved in this act.

Just 6,775,235,698 more to check before we can know who really was involved.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964114)

I am NOT Sparticus!

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

SniperJoe (1984152) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964212)

I am not D. B. Cooper! /or is it Doobie Keebler?

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964454)

Ahh, the one funny thing Andy Dick has ever said.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

snspdaarf (1314399) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964480)

I am not Brian of Nazareth, and so's my wife!

Re:Who the hell cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964492)

haHA! Love the NewsRadio reference.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964180)

ACtually it was me guys sorry about that. BTW, Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start FTW!!!

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

stealth_finger (1809752) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964814)

I also deny totally any involvement. However, I did shoot the sheriff...but not the deputy.

Gained nothing (1)

zpiro (525660) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964020)

mod parent up.

This is mudslinging, there are no rational reasons to believe he would be involved.
Reporters asking thoughtless questions is hardly news, nothing to see here.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

cheeks5965 (1682996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964220)

Holtz is becoming a useless keyword to generate 'news'.

It's not much of a keyword if you misspell his name. Alternatively, I guess you're right on the mark - "Holtz" is truly a useless keyword.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

arnodf (1310501) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964358)

How stupid would he be if he actually did have any involvement? And of course this stuff makes it to slashdot.

Re:Who the hell cares? (2)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965786)

Why would he be involved? Holtz is becoming a useless keyword to generate 'news'.

Stop pulling these stories off the hose just because there's nothing else interesting.

Lots of people have been blaming this on Hotz, either directly or indirectly. I've seen numerous people commenting to that effect on the stories Ars Technica has posted about the PSN being down. So I don't blame him for publicly stating he's not involved, and I don't blame /. for posting it. He deserves to clear his name.

Re:Who the hell cares? (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966454)

Why would he be involved? Holtz is becoming a useless keyword to generate 'news'.

Stop pulling these stories off the hose just because there's nothing else interesting.

Some people who love to blame others are claiming that Hotz was somehow behind all this. Obviously it's total bull, but you know how some people are.

As for the Slashdot article: It's just plain and simple a means of getting attention, but I really, really feel ashamed for anyone here who somehow thought Hotz was in any way involved. Anyone with half a brain cell should know better.

Suppress one Geohot, (3, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963858)

And you will create hundreds of new Geohots.

such is the rule of internet underground since days of old. the worst anyone can do, is to create conditions for a crusade against themselves in regard to morals. after that, it doesnt matter who or what you are - they will hack you. and the ones doing the hacking wont be small fish.

the bigger the bastardry, the greater honors those who hack them gains in the internet underworld.

but who am i telling these to - anyone who had had participated in anything in the early stages of internet, knows these.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963938)

I can hardly wait to see the laws that Sony buys to 'fix' their inability to deal with this attack.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963962)

pointless. endless such laws have been bought, widespread spying and warrantless wiretapping was instituted, 'anti terror' law bullshit was created to justify anything, yet, these hacks still happen.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965090)

Laws only deter acts by threat of punishment. They don't stop them. For example, the threat of capital punishment doesn't seem to have slowed the number of murders.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965396)

It's only illegal if you get caught...

You'll need cameras everywhere, cameras can be obscured/destroyed...

The only way they'll catch you is to LoJack everyone at birth so they can be identified as being at the scene of the crime

LoJack could be removed...

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin

Best course of action is to learn to defend yourself and take the appropriate action. (both Meat crimes and Cyber crimes...) /end

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965422)

Violent crimes, in the US at least, are at all time lows.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (4, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966360)

There already are laws for breaking and entering into other people's computer systems. They're already ridiculous.

The problem is, these people probably aren't from the United States, and hence not subject to the laws of the United States. The internet transcends national boundaries. That means whatever it might be, the laws of any one country cannot apply to the whole of the internet. And that means there'll always be holes that people with an agenda can take advantage of.

So while places like Australia or China or the U.K. can enforce their own set of internet usage rules among their own citizens, they cannot do the same on citizens of other countries. The most they can do is cut those countries off from their own networks, but that'd require all the backbone ISPs servicing the country to cooperate (e.g. the Great Firewall). And there are still ways around it.

That's the beauty of the internet. And that's the major failing of people who've been trying to turn the internet "respectable." It's not and never will fully be, because the definition of legal ceases to hold meaning once you cross national borders. Doing business on the internet is dangerous, and acting douchy the way Sony's been doing is just asking to be noticed by everybody (Sony's douchbaggery is a special kind of stupid--instead of being douchy to just their customers in countries where they have legal recourse like what Amazon might do when it files an obvious patent, they did it to all of their users worldwide irrespective of local laws).

If this was the product of some Eastern European hit, Sony can do nothing short of paying those countries' governments off. But that might be more costly and less effective than if they were to shut down PSN entirely.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965058)

Geez, somebody's been watching the Matrix too much. Calm down, and get back to reality.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965188)

matrix ?

no. i just have been around when the internet was new back in 1993-1997

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966580)

ha ha ha ha ha
new in 93?
really?
I distinctly being elated about my first e-mail address that was not part of FIDONET in 89.
I've been into the BBS scene since 85/86.
by 93 the internet was not new anymore, though it was still primitive, largely "Free & Free", and distinctly Wild Wild Web.
-nB

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (2)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966956)

Yeah well it wasn't new by '93 because we have the day which will not be spoken of.

"me too"

I still have nightmares.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965454)

Suppress one Geohot, and you will create hundreds of new Geohots.

I love how your implication is that there is this invisible almighty righteous army of hundreds of people just sitting around, entirely idle, with the experience to do encryption hardware hacking, the time and patience to do it (i.e. no job and/or social life), the desire to do it (as opposed to, I don't know, PLAYING FUCKING GAMES ON THE DAMN GAME CONSOLE, or just picking a console whose parent company DOESN'T treat their userbase quite so much as criminals, or perhaps even developing for a platform without such dev restrictions that necessitate encryption cracking), and the willingness to just spring into action the second one overblown asshole repackages the work of ACTUAL people who've done the decryption.

As opposed to reality, where the vast majority of the people with that sort of experience don't have the time to do it and frankly don't care, as even if they could scrounge up the spare time to develop things like that, they'd most likely want to do work on systems they can work on WITHOUT stupid encryption tricks. But please, don't let me stop your entire "underground revolution" delusion. Of course you're "underground", of course it's a "revolution", and of course being "underground" and it being a "revolution" means you're automatically right and will automatically win.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965672)

There might not be an invisible almighty righteous army standing by for just such an occasion. But what I do know is that there are lot of very smart people working in security related fields that have their own ideas over right and wrong, regardless of what the law thinks.

Get them upset and you open yourself to a world of hurt. They can get access to your system, no problem. And if you get their attention, they will access your system. Some might do it for shits and giggles, others do it because it opens up a nice line of credit on the side.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (2)

ryanov (193048) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965674)

Incidentally, he gets his nickname from the same place I got mine -- we apparently went to the same HS and that's the way usernames are assigned there (bergen.org). Funny how many of us still use them for one thing or another.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965722)

Bollocks.

This isn't some politically motivated action by vigilante basement dwellers. It's a criminal attack on private citizens. There is nothing to be proud of here.

Re:Suppress one Geohot, (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967050)

it seems that psn was so ridiculously done that hacking was inevitability, if not for anything else than to expose some engineers for being pretty bad engineers(and execs watching over them).

too bad bonuses don't burn after they're given even if the work turns out as incompetent and borderline fraud on the promises department. they kind of fucked up entire sony online game presence.

Lost Interest in GeoHot... (1, Insightful)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35963884)

...when I found out he decided to give up on fighting Sony. He was in the perfect position to score one for "good" but he folded like everyone else in that position. Regardless if he is donating the $ to EFF or whatever, that money I donated was to fight Sony specifically. If I wanted to donate to someone else I would have done that. Even if he was involved in this, I doubt anyone really cares what he does anymore.

Re:Lost Interest in GeoHot... (0)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964092)

WTF? I donated to that too, thought it was still ongoing. I was pretty pissed off with him for starting to hack the PS3 (getting other OS removed in the process) then dropping it. When I saw he was going to fight, I had more respect for him and donated. Seems I was right to just think of him as a douche..

Re:Lost Interest in GeoHot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964234)

This is the guy who "sold" the first iPhone hack for a nice car and graciously gave some members of the team who cooperated in producing it... an iPhone.

He's moderately talented, a fine salesman and a first class jackass. Welcome to US mediocracy, where this sort end up rich at everyone else's expense.

Re:Lost Interest in GeoHot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964834)

I doubt any of you have the cajones to actually stick it out against sony with an obviously technically illiterate judiciary the chips were seriously stacked against him. GEOHOT is a young guy looking at a potential lifetime of owing sony. I understand what he did.

Re:Lost Interest in GeoHot... (2)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966674)

So do I, and it blows.
I had a similar experience (going against Farmers Insurance), but fortunately for me it was a trademark,libel,cycbersquatting, defamation, confusion of source case, which the courts are much more literate about. It never went beyond "we're going to sue you into oblivion little man" ... "oh yeah? Here's my rights, bite me".

It is that the courts are illiterate that the Sony's of the world chose to sue. Once the courts are literate about the issues then the lawsuits tend to stop sooner in the process because both sides know that the issue really isn't murky enough to require a judge && || jury.
-nB

Like he could really win (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964622)

Do you honestly think he could win ANY court cases when dealing with a billion dollar company like Sony? They have lawyers on retainer so it costs them the same either way. You'd fold up too given the decision. If you want to fight Sony so bad man up and file a lawsuit yourself. His accomplishment is pretty amazing considering the money Sony can throw at locking you out.

Re:Like he could really win (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965118)

Actually, if you read through the legal proceedings, he was on very solid footing to do just that. I'm assuming Sony made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Re:Like he could really win (2)

Rakarra (112805) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966618)

Actually, if you read through the legal proceedings, he was on very solid footing to do just that

Footing doesn't actually matter if you don't have the resources to fight the case. Defending a case like this against a plaintiff like Sony is extremely expensive, regardless of how in the right you are.

Re:Like he could really win (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965402)

especially after this cockup by sony, yeah, he could have won(gotten away with it without admitting wrong doing).

billion dollars doesn't buy you everything and it would have still been a waste of billion dollars and their legal teams got something much bigger to worry and to go after now, just suing him was probably lobbied by the legal teams just to get some work(and by some exec who thought he could do disaster control).

but going all white hat, meh. info is info, like the black powder recipes were just info. facts that can't be denied, that such bytes are such and such and it was a stupid choice to make it so(well, stupidity isn't so well defined, but I think the current psn issues underline that it was stupid, as were other design choices by whoever dolts sony hired for the job).

sigh, celebrity hackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35963986)

Hotz is one of a long line of "leet haxors" who take all of the credit for some of the work. If anyone actually spent more time researching than Wikipedia and the tabloid tech rag echo chamber (but I repeat myself), they'd get over this lone geek hero worship thing and realise that pretty much all achievements are the result of teamwork, within the mainstream and without. It's a shame, really, because I see so many young and promising people disillusioned by not being able to come up to the standards of heroes lauded in the tech media - not realising that they're just the spokesperson for a much larger group of people (who often have not consented to have all the credit taken from them).

Anyway, I'm not surprised that Hotz has managed to make what amounts to a press release stating what he has not done. Such is the way of attention whores. He also isn't responsible for arranging protests at the royal wedding tomorrow and isn't being invited by China to contribute toward the robotic clean-up effort at Fukushima.

Re:sigh, celebrity hackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966572)

Pretty much. In this particular case though - I have the feeling that the original group that created the hack (note that Hotz was not even involved, he just created a small end-user interface) probably don't mind him taking all the heat for this.

The public at large isn't really picking this up.. (2, Interesting)

seanvaandering (604658) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964046)

"Anyone who thinks I was involved in any way with this, I'm not crazy, and would prefer to not have the FBI knocking on my door. Running homebrew and exploring security on your devices is cool, hacking into someone else's server and stealing databases of user info is not cool. You make the hacking community look bad, even if it is aimed at douches like Sony."

Here's the other half that doesn't usually get picked up - people are generally apathetic to this whole situation. Many people don't even know who Geohot is, and most likely don't care either. The ones who are most vocal about the network being offline are the ones who are online 24/7 anyways. Although i'm addressing this to a crowd that generally basement dwells, people generally have lives and most won't even notice. I have hundred and hundreds of "friends" on Facebook, some who I know are heavily into technology and console gaming, and practically nothing has been mentioned except for what i'm seeing posted on /. and similar technology related blogs and news aggregators.

tldr: Geohot is taking advantage by not taking advantage, and generally no one really cares outside of the circle.

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964716)

well there isnt that many ps3 gamers anyways. being hacked wide open and now the week long psn crash has probly finished this console from ever being anything but a after thought. any of the hardcore gamers have probly sold them off for 360 systems and now relised that 50$ a year is well worth it heh.

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965286)

"well there isnt that many ps3 gamers anyways"

77 million isn't many? What bizarro world did you come from?

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965496)

Number of consoles sold does not equal number of gamers.

The PS3 isn't just a game console and I personally know several people who don't play games on theirs. It's just for playing movies.

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966004)

77 million accounts = 77 million gamers - are you even capable of critical thinking or are you another Sony Shill?

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966198)

There's only 50 million PS3s in circulation. And creating an account is free, so one person can create as many as they'd like.

And why the hell would a Sony shill say that the network was less popular than it really is?

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

Mad Leper (670146) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965814)

I'm actually suprised people are still supporting a Video Game console with a shockingly (almost criminal) failure rate, massive levels of piracy & online cheating, forced payment to play online and no freedom to use your own peripherals or storage devices.

What sort of person puts up with that?

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

cHALiTO (101461) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966136)

Persons who buy the new versions that don't explode, work quite sliently, flash them to play pirated games (sorry, you meant that as a downside??), and use their own DX-bought hard drives on it, for half the price of a ps3.

Oh, and don't care about online gaming :)

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966312)

An anecdote for your statement. My step-brother recently bought a PS3 & replaced most of his 360 games because his recently out of warranty 360 decided to die exactly one day after he upgraded the (non-custom) firmware on it for the very first time. I tried to get him to just upgrade his PC into a gaming rig instead, but he wouldn't have it.

I hate Sony as much as anyone else on /., but you just make yourself look like an idiot saying things like that.

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965140)

I disagree with his statement. Stealing databases with user info is only "not cool" if you do something with them. Having a bunch of 1's and 0's stored in a lock box doesn't hurt anyone. It still would make life awfully fun for Sony. Sadly I doubt this will be the outcome in this particular case.

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

softWare3ngineer (2007302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965964)

Stealing info from a business DOES cost them money, no matter what you do with it. It cost alot of money to contact 100,000 people that their information was stolen as well as investigating the hack. More generally, in some industries a breach in security like this can result in mandatory credit monitoring paid for by the company.

in short breaches do cost money, even if no one gets their identity stolen.

btw, Sony is a crappy company. any chance of me buying from them went out the door a long time ago when they took the dual boot feature away.

Re:The public at large isn't really picking this u (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966490)

People complain about lots of dumb things on Facebook, but usually not things that will make them look like non-conforming members of their social groups. In other words, nobody's going to label themselves as a basement dweller by getting vocal about the PSN on Facebook.

Next on /. ... (1)

RogueRat (1710322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964076)

People ask Anonymous if this was THEIR fault, despite claims that an attack on the PSN would damage its users more than Sony. Headline does not produce desired ratings.

Re:Next on /. ... (2)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964304)

TBH This dosn't sound like anon lately, DDOS sure, but stealing information without posting it as a giant public torrent. Honestly if it were true hacktivism I'd expect to see censored or uncensored CC#'s somewhere out there. (censored as in just enough digits to prove it's legit, but without giving the numbers to potential identity thieves. That would in my view be the biggest way to get sony in the largest amount of trouble possible. The fact that it hasn't happened leads me to be suspicious of if either the information wasn't gathered correctly, or it is actually a CC fraud attempt using anon as a scapegoat, GH isn't even a sanely believable scapegoat, this isn't even close to his style.

Re:Next on /. ... (1)

RogueRat (1710322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964352)

Yeah, it's certainly not Anon's style. That was my point.

Re:Next on /. ... (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967166)

Maybe it started out as hacktivism and then they found a goldmine of CC#s and billing info. Then greed took over.

Re:Next on /. ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965508)

Sony's actions did invite a sort of shit-storm from Anonymous... However the more malicious and directed attacks are only using the activity by the likes of Anonymous as a cover. Anonymous does do DOS and revealing of embarrassing secrets when they can be found, but fraudulent use of credit or outright destruction of data? No, it's not like them. (Although some probably still chuckle at how this is affecting Sony.)

In a way it's sort of like knowing a protest is coming to town, and hiring a few people to start a riot so you can have your old building burnt down in order to collect on insurance. Or perhaps there are other hooligans and nihilists employed such that profit can be made on having a larger police or security presence when it comes to future events.

Not saying Sony would be involved in hacking act themselves, but that bigger crimes can always use crowd activity as a cover when it's convenient.

Let's start a POOL! (1)

DrPeper (249585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964182)

Let's start a pool and take bets on who the perpetrator is. I'll take Iran (just because it's a longshot) and the US government (just for the conspiracy factor).

Re:Let's start a POOL! (1)

RogueRat (1710322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964420)

Whoever it is, they picked a damn good time to cement Sony's image as a company that makes terrible decisions. I almost feel bad considering all the other negative media Sony has received lately... not that they don't deserve it.

Re:Let's start a POOL! (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964818)

sony has been makeing crap desions sense the orignal founder left. this has been going on for years but your right this just cemented it i even got the email warning me all my shit got leaked out being i had a psn account for my psp fortanly i never put a cc on it or anymore info then my email and login name.

Re:Let's start a POOL! (1)

ThisIsNotMyHandel (1013943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964498)

Let's start a pool and take bets on who the perpetrator is. I'll take Iran (just because it's a longshot) and the US government (just for the conspiracy factor).

Geohot.

Re:Let's start a POOL! (1)

DrPeper (249585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964550)

Oh now that's just wrong.

Re:Let's start a POOL! (1)

Dragon_Eater (829389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964500)

My vote is on Sony!!!

          They made some system update with poor/broken security measures and then hit the big red OMGWTFBBQ button to kill the PSN. Why else would it be a world wide problem not localized to region?

Re:Let's start a POOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964790)

Because when they realized that someone made the master account u/n: admin pass:password, they realized that they had to beef up security

Re:Let's start a POOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35964648)

I blame Stuxnet!

Re:Let's start a POOL! (1)

denn1s (1517951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965650)

My bet would be on one of the botnets, you need a hell of processing power to take down and hack a sony server wich was prepared to serve 77 million users. Besides the FBI has recently been bulling them...

Obligatory /. response top 5 (2)

DrPeper (249585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964466)

In regards to the perpetrator of the PSN attack.

1. The Master Control Program, who does he calculate he is??!
2. Sorry I put the new X-Files Collector edition BluRay in and it went crazy.
3. I for one welcome our new PSN overlords.
4. Still think Skynet isn't real??
5. The W.O.P.R. was running another simulation.

Hotz the hypocrite (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964794)

As a parting shot, Hotz has some advice for the PSN hacker, who is currently being pursued by both Sony and law enforcement agencies: "To the perpetrator, two things. You are clearly talented and will have plenty of money (or a jail sentence and bankruptcy) coming to you in the future. Don't be a dick and sell people's information."

George Hotz was suspended and possibly expelled for "hacking" the student IDs, which were also used as access cards to unlock rooms on campus. I'm not saying he broke into PSN, but to call the guy a white hat is laughable.

Re:Hotz the hypocrite (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965084)

I am admittedly very hazy on the whole hacker terminology thing, but isn't the difference between a white hat and a black hat not what they hack, but what they do with the results? So did Geohot actually _do_ anything nasty with the hacked student IDs? Or did he get in trouble just for hacking them?

It's even remotely possible that the person(s) who hacked PSN are white hat(s), if they don't actually release the stolen data and just intend to use the event to show how broken Sony's infrastructure is. Geohot is urging them to take that route (regardless of whatever their original intentions were) but i'm pretty sure if they were going to abuse the data they've already done so by now.

Re:Hotz the hypocrite (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965152)

I am admittedly very hazy on the whole hacker terminology thing, but isn't the difference between a white hat and a black hat not what they hack, but what they do with the results? So did Geohot actually _do_ anything nasty with the hacked student IDs?

He was selling hacked IDs so people could break into locked rooms.

Re:Hotz the hypocrite (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965222)

I am admittedly very hazy on the whole hacker terminology thing, but isn't the difference between a white hat and a black hat not what they hack, but what they do with the results?

No. White hats are self-styled, and black hats are anyone who would do something the white hats say they wouldn't do.

Any attempts to write a better definition than that always gets bogged down. For instance, some of the more sanctimonious white hats claim white hats always follow the law... but the laws are so bad that it's pretty unlikely they're actually doing so.

Re:Hotz the hypocrite (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965784)

or to put it another way a true Black Hat or a true White hat does not exist as such.
now you figure that a grey Hat lighter than FFAFAF (aka html 4.01 "snow") would be considered a White Hat and a grey hat darker than 2F4F4F (aka html 4.01 "darkslategrey") would be considered a Black Hat.

most corporate hacker types use a good amount of "bleach" on their hats to make them look "white".

Re:Hotz the hypocrite (1)

ryanov (193048) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965698)

Where did this allegedly happen?

Re:Hotz the hypocrite (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967300)

Rochester Institute of Technology, where he enrolled as a freshman in the fall of 2007.

Yes he did it! (1)

korgitser (1809018) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964862)

The headlines are working fast to turn him into the main suspect. A couple of hours ago it was like 'geohot says: wouldn't dare to do that', now it says 'geohot denies' as if he already was a suspect, tomorrow he will be in jail based on evidence gathered by fox news.

Re:Yes he did it! (1)

DrPeper (249585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35964900)

I think you mean MSNBC.

Re:Yes he did it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965818)

Nay, MS wouldn't help Sony.

Now, I am reminded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965086)

That's probably why Sony got filleted, and probably deserves it. Instead of improving security of their system and admit defeat, using legal system to circumvent. This is not the first time, and looks like Sony does not learn. Might be bringing down their profitable department will finally wake them up (and hopefully others).

Karma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965166)

That wasn't Mr. Holtz, that was Mr. Karma. However, I'm sure Sony is really pissed off and there's little reason not to take it out on Mr. Holtz by dragging him through the court system a few times.

GW Bush also denied involvement.. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965176)

I mean honestly, it's as relevant. Who the hell would have even though it?

Other than a Fox news reporter who equates a hardware hacker with a script kiddie or criminal cracker.

Is he going to deny involvement in my PS3 controller's batteries failing?

Re:GW Bush also denied involvement.. (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965576)

I'm more interested in Geohot denying being behind last month's tsunami in Japan. Yeah, sure, you can act all innocent, but we know better.

Didn't create first software iphone hack.... (2)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965250)

These guys did: http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ [iphone-dev.org]

Re:Didn't create first software iphone hack.... (2)

Mad Leper (670146) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965844)

Very true, same with the PS3 keys and in fact just about every hack this idiot has laid claim to.

Geohot is a braggart, a thief of other hackers work and a shameless self-promoter

Am I the only one? (1)

vawwyakr (1992390) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965480)

Who thought "Geocities? Geocities still exists? Wait what is Geocities doing hacking Sony?"

I deny involvement, too. (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965578)

I didn't have anything to do with it. Honest.

Slashdot snippet is quite inaccurate (1)

Legal.Troll (2002574) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965694)

I'm sure he didn't actually participate directly in the attack, but it's stretching the truth quite far to say he "had nothing to do with it".

inside job (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965728)

I think a Sony employee connected a usb drive to a server and made a copy of a db export.

This is news? (1)

ysth (1368415) | more than 3 years ago | (#35965768)

Come on, really!

No but he opened the door (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35965888)

All his hacking and security breaking started this shit. Everyone the net turned into modern day hippies saying "Yeah down with the evil corporations! Go geohot you da man! Yeah crack your ps3 so you can take back what sony stole from you! Breaking security on your console is good because sony doesnt want you to!"

Then anon joined the fray and made it worse and now we have this.

So to anyone who ever said hacking your ps3 to get back other os or any of that other shit then this is what happens when you do that, all it takes is one guy to break the rules and fuck it all up.

Re:No but he opened the door (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966034)

Please explain how modifying your OWN hardware is breaking the rules? As long as he was doing it to restore features its completely and utterly within the spirit and letter of the law. Sony's complaint was that he TOLD people about it, which is another ball of wax entirely.

Skynet was implemented on April 19, 2011.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966170)

..and began its attack against humanity on April 21

First it gains access to all playstation3's running in the world, uses the powerful cell processor in an enormous computing cluster. Nobody ever suspects playstation3's as the brain of skynet.
Second it steals millions of peoples information and using it begins to wreak havoc on the world financial system by creating systematic fraud piece by piece.
Third it creates a worm which penetrates into defunct Pontiac and Saturn factories and uses the assembly line robots to create terminators.

Could it be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966314)

that those dumb@$$es at Sony used a simple variation on the root key to secure things on PSN and their CC db?

'I'm not crazy.' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966476)

All he wanted was a pepsi and sony wouldn't give it to him!

it may be a manufactured crisis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967282)

I couldn't anything past sony maybe they created a crisis so as to clamp down on this kid and other so called hackers.
I could be wrong but as history has taught us.............

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>