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iPhone 3G and iOS4 Lack Chemistry

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the when-hard-and-soft-aren't-enough dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "Granted that iPhone 3G is about 3 years old but some of us who still have it are tempted to update it to iOS 4 for the folders, threaded e-mail and iBooks even if it means jail-breaking the phone. Unfortunately though, as it turns out, it's really not worth the hassle. Not only does the update slow the phone, in some cases by a fraction of a second and in others much more, but it's a nightmare to downgrade back to iOS 3."

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Kinda figures. (2)

segin (883667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966160)

Goes without saying that Apple will deliver a sub-par experience on older devices in order to "persuade" users to upgrade to newer devices, thus making Apples more money. Everyone does it.

Re:Kinda figures. (3, Insightful)

x*yy*x (2058140) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966382)

I don't own an iPhone ("old" HTC Touch HD), but who really expects to get updates for their phones endlessly? It's always been the case that you buy a phone on the merits it has then. If it gets any major updates at all thats a huge bonus. It's the same with every phone manufacturer and has always been.

Re:Kinda figures. (4, Insightful)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966666)

tis true... my xv6700 only enjoyed 4 years of updates due to the hacker community, but aside from one carrier update, didn't really add new features, ever.

iBooks didn't exist when I got my iPhone3 why should I expect it now?

What I do have a problem with however is that I do own an iPad (1 & 2) that syncs with my iTunes library and i use some Universal and iPhone apps on it that REQUIRE updates to function on iOS4. Those apps aren't guaranteed to run on iOS3. Apple provides no means to maintain multiple versions of the same App, nor does it allow you to roll back to older more functional versions of some apps. If I sync an iPad with an updated App, it copies that version to my iTunes and will force an update to my iPhone the next time it updates, my only option is to remove the app from my iPhone or use a copy that doesn't work. iOS3 is no longer supported and I've BARELY had the phone for more than 2 years at this point. That to me is unacceptable.

Re:Kinda figures. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967010)

Why maintain multiple versions of the same app when you can manage it through your code. (yes there is functionality that lets you do this)

Re:Kinda figures. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966710)

That is not the issue. I myself got on the iPhone bandwagon last year through AT&T which they sold me the iPhone 3G. After adding my contacts and such all was well until one day iTunes notified me of a new update. After installing iOS4 my phone was completely unusable and unresponsive almost like putting Windows 7 on a Pentium MMX. In my eyes my phone was new to me and after noticing just how bad iOS 4 ran on it I wonder why Apple allowed this to happen? You know why, so I can run out and buy an iPhone 4, which I did....

Re:Kinda figures. (0)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966968)

So you bought a phone released in 2008 during 2010, knowing full well that a refresh happened in 2009 and was coming soon in 2010? And as a result of that decision, you're pissed off because your (old) new shiny didn't keep up with all the latest releases?

Wow, 2 year old technology slower and less responsive running up-to-date OS...who'd have thought. You should inform your local media, I'm sure they'd love to run a story.

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

justmike2000 (2023602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967288)

If it was slower and less responsive I would have been fine and even happy, but in my case it was unusable which caused me some frustration as it was not easy to revert. Also, if I purchased the phone in 2010 it should work in 2010 with software they regularly provide. This is not a case of 'slowness' but making my device unusable.

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966892)

Exactly. Blackberry user here, 3 years and not a single update. And people are complaining about Apple backporting features to older devices?

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966904)

My droid is running 2.3.3. CM7 FTW!

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966568)

And what is the "par" then? First android phones (G1 anyone?) were released *after* 3G. Good luck installing 2.3 onto it, lol.

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966936)

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967136)

And people "run" iOS4. But do they run it or do they demo-crawl it?

Re:Kinda figures. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967422)

Its generally considered faster than the OS which originally came on it. Given that the original release didn't have a JIT, its not that hard to believe.

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967058)

It's easier than you think [xda-developers.com]

Re:Kinda figures. (2)

murray_420 (624319) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967186)

I actually use Android 2.3.3 (Gingerbread) on my HTC Dream (G1). The rom I use is COS-DS for those who care.

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967028)

Just like how Ubuntu delivers a sub-par experience on Pentium Pro 166mhz processors?

Your phone is slow because your phone has a slow CPU..

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

georgesdev (1987622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967228)

The iphone 3g has 128MB of ram only. It's just like a 512MB windows XP that you should not upgrade to windows 7!
I got an iphone 3G with iOs 2 on it, and upgraded it up to the latest 3.x.
Since it has 25% of the ram of an iphone 4, it was obvious back last summer that it was a bad idea to upgrade it to 4.x, so it stays on 3.x until it dies.
On the other hand, I bought a Samsung Naos phone about 6 month ago to try Android. It runs Android 2.1. And I still can't officially run 2.2, 2.3 or 3.0 on it!...

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967374)

They already don't allow you to install it. They don't need to spend any effort to intentionally "deliver a sub-par experience".

Re:Kinda figures. (1)

hellwig (1325869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967416)

First off, let me say I don't own any Apple products and never will. However, I feel inclined to point out that Apple did NOT deliver a sub-par experience on the older, 3G device. Apple did not release iOS4 for the 2G and 3G models (the summary says you have to jailbreak the device to install iOS4). Therefore, Apple simply released newer software that it knew the older device could not handle, and chose not to release it for that hardware. Nothing says that every release of software must support every device ever made. I doubt the Apple Newton could run iOS1 (ignoring obvious architecture differences), does that mean Apple is trying to purposefully make the performance of the Newton so bad that people will have to upgrade to an iPad2? How dare Apple not support Apple iie users with the latest OSX!!!!

Now, if the summary had been: "iPhone 3G runs iOS4 perfectly!!!", then I would agree that Apple was withholding iOS4 from the 3G model to force customers to upgrade to a 3GS or 4G (yes, it was once called 4G). But since the summary basically says "Boy, was I an idiot for trying to run iOS4 on my crappy iPhone 3G", then I don't really see how you can blame Apple for this.

There are many things you can condemn Apple for (pick just about anything having to do with their iTunes Appstore), but this isn't really a problem.

The other thing people dislike about Apple (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966240)

Apple has no qualms about making your computer obsolete so you have to buy new things. The promise of the PC was that you could keep upgrading on and on with inexpensive parts. That's not as true as I would like it to be, but it's not exactly a lie either.

But with Apple, they care almost nothing about backward compatibility and backward portability. This makes all the G4 and G5 devices out there all but useless... before that, the 68XXX based machines. Now, with multiple iProducts out there, they are also abandoning the people who bought their iProducts less than 5 years ago expecting them to spend more money... or to spin it another way, creating more waste in landfills.

Microsoft would LOVE to have the power Apple has to render OSes and hardware obsolete. The requirements for Vista were so high that no one wanted to buy whole new computers just to run it. The same is generally true of Win7 though to a lesser extent. But since Apple controls both the software and the hardware, you're pretty much at their mercy. Craigslist is filled with "great deals" for Macs with G4/G5 processors in them sold by people who already find them useless.

I'm "aware of the problem" but at least now with Intel based Macs, the machines will always be able to run Linux pretty well... hell, even Windows 7 for that matter. I'm guessing Apple is already regretting their decision to go with Intel based architecture.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966398)

All cellphone makers are like that, there are plenty of Android devices with plenty powerful hardware that will never see 2.2 let alone 2.3, and if you have an HTC device that wan't announced this quarter you're not getting Sense 3.0.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (3, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966832)

My HTC Aria is rooted and running Cyanogenmod 7 (Android 2.3.3). Honestly, if you don't root your phone and load custom ROM, I think you're missing out on quite a bit (not to mention the crapware that the carriers load onto the phone.)

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967082)

Offtopic, but in response to your statement:

Honestly, if you don't root your phone and load custom ROM, I think you're missing out on quite a bit

So, essentially, at it's root - the Andriod you get when you buy your Android phone is likely shitty, and beat to shit with crapware from multiple parties. So, instead of going to the store and getting a smartphone that works great out of the box, I have to go out, find a custom ROM, root my device, and load said custom ROM on my device?

And this is a fucking SELLING POINT??

Look, while I declared iOS long ago, I love Android too & hope it continues its success. And for me, rooting a device & doing all that isn't an issue whatsoever. But seriously, we expect the average schlub to be able to do this shit? Or even realize the option is out there? And if they don't, they're getting a sub-par experience?

Sorry, but this does not make me love Andriod. THis is just more useless shit that my users will demand I support for them. Thanks....fuckers.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967178)

First off, the Android version loaded on phones isn't beat to shit. It's just that custom ROMs are cleaner. Secondly, is it the fault of Google's that carrier's load things that people don't want on their phones?

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967368)

Well, considering how Apple browbeat the carriers into NOT installing their own personal custom shitware on every iPhone, the precident was set. Google COULD have swung essentially the same hammer.

Of course, in the Android world, I think I hate Motorola (I think?) more for their locked down all-but-impossible to root devices more than carrier shitware. And yes, I know they can still be rooted...but they made it a royal clusterfuck to do.

I realize that the whole concept goes against the whole "open" concept that appeals to us geeks about Andriod, but still....shitware is still shitware. If Google browbeat the carriers (and locked down Android so they couldn't) to prevent the shitware, then they'd be the same walled garden in most ways that Apple is.

Honestly, in my personal opinion...Android isn't winning because it is better than iOS. It isn't winning because of the "open-ness" either. It is winning because their phones are cheap as fuck and do a reasonable job of emulating the iPhone experience. $200 less than an iPhone = a fuck of alot of leftover money for beer.

Yes, I know there are areas where Andriod is superior to the iPhone...but the iPhone is still the measuring stick Android is held to, and carrier shitware is an area where Andriod falls horribly short.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967116)

So your saying the only way to get android updates is to root, and hack your phone.

How is that different from jailbreaking the iphone again?

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967246)

1) I'm not supporting Apple
2) Wider phone choices

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967038)

it's been quite easy for every android phone that exists other than the G1 to keep up with the tech. Hell, droids are on 2.2.2 and g1's are on CM7.

The issue is keeping it stock just won't work. Phone MFR's drop old support for new phones, and it is up to the user to get the rest.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1, Insightful)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966452)

Apple has no qualms about making your computer obsolete so you have to buy new things. The promise of the PC was that you could keep upgrading on and on with inexpensive parts. That's not as true as I would like it to be, but it's not exactly a lie either.

But with Apple, they care almost nothing about backward compatibility and backward portability. This makes all the G4 and G5 devices out there all but useless... before that, the 68XXX based machines. Now, with multiple iProducts out there, they are also abandoning the people who bought their iProducts less than 5 years ago expecting them to spend more money... or to spin it another way, creating more waste in landfills.

Microsoft would LOVE to have the power Apple has to render OSes and hardware obsolete. The requirements for Vista were so high that no one wanted to buy whole new computers just to run it. The same is generally true of Win7 though to a lesser extent. But since Apple controls both the software and the hardware, you're pretty much at their mercy. Craigslist is filled with "great deals" for Macs with G4/G5 processors in them sold by people who already find them useless.

I'm "aware of the problem" but at least now with Intel based Macs, the machines will always be able to run Linux pretty well... hell, even Windows 7 for that matter. I'm guessing Apple is already regretting their decision to go with Intel based architecture.

I fail to see how a company coming out with new tech and innovation ruins or is "abandoning the people who bought their iProducts". Do you expect them to update older, less capable hardware with new software continually? 5 years in the tech industry is a whole generation, get used to it.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (3, Insightful)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966708)

Except, the iPhone 3G however is only 2 years old for some of us. That's the length of a cell phone contract, some of us would like to get 4 years on our phones and not pay $2-300 every other year for our phones.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966898)

Some Android users haven't even had constant updates due to the carriers they're with. I'd actually say that Apple does pretty well with a constant flow of iOS updates. I too have the 3G, mine is a hair over 2 years old. However, if you compare the 3G with the iPhone4, you'd see that running iOS 4.x on it is sort of like running Windows 7 on a pentium 3. They (and not just Apple) have made huge strides in mobile phone tech in the last few years, going from the single core 412Mhz proc with 128MB RAM to 800Mhz proc with 512MB RAM. Double the speed, quadruple the RAM in two years with many smartphones coming out in the dual 1.2+ Ghz arena.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966922)

Or, you can just spend $50 to get the iPhone 3GS which plays nice with iOS4.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966974)

Shouldn't be a big deal. My wife has an original iphone. Still keeps a charge for a bit over 24 hours, and she uses it frequently. Still works. Don't see the problem.

If you want a new OS, why is it so hard to believe that you will need new hardware?

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967452)

"If you want a new OS, why is it so hard to believe that you will need new hardware?"
Because these things are computers, and computers should have a shelf life longer than 2-4 years. Anything that costs more than $499 + 2 year contract should have more than a few years of support.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967074)

It's not their fault US mobile providers bend you over and charge you loads on top of a monthly fee and actually yes HTC, Nokia, Apple and Microsoft want you buying a phone every 2 years.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967220)

I get that you were referring to Macs when you mentioned 5 years, but to bring this back to phones, if 5 years was a whole generation then the 3G should have a while to go. But it stopped getting updates and support in March, after just over 2.5 years. The original iPhone also lasted just over 2.5 years. Some people have phones whose contracts with the phone company last longer than the phone is officially supported! Just 2.5 years of support seems short to me, even for consumer electronics.

I have a 3GS. Surely that will last forever...

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966470)

But just remember, some users not getting certain features and being left out in the cold unless they buy new iDevices is far, faaaaaaaaar better than "fragmentation", where some users don't get certain features and are left out in the cold unless they buy new phones. So sayeth the LORD, our Savior, Steve Jobs.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967192)

Which shows you don't even understand the concept of fragmentation in regards to the Andriod complaint.

This isn't about a 3 year old phone getting the latest shiny bells and whistles. You will ALWAYS have fragmentation in the "age of device" sense, accross every manufacturer and supplier.

This is about 50 different CURRENT Android phones available running (at times) dramatically different hardware configurations. In said environment, "everybody"wants to be able to download and install "Angry Birds" but some find they can't because their just-bought phone doesn't have enough hardware under the hood to run it. Then said user bitches out the developer, who throws up his hands and tells them that their new baby isn't good enough for their game, so they can either buy a new phone or "suffer" not being able to play. These same people then think that Android sucks because their phone can't play Angry Birds, and start telling their friends that Andriod sucks, which starts eating at Andriod marketshare.

As I've said before and above, I declared iOS long ago, but I still love Android, and I firmly believe a market where both Android and Apple are strong will lead to further innovation by both camps, which will feature-bleed to the other. It is good for everyone to have good healthy market competition. Fragmentation as described hurts Andriod, causes some developers to not want to develop for Andriod at all, and hurts Andriod's reputation in the eyes of the public.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

evel aka matt (123728) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966482)

A ridiculous argument. Compare the current resale values of other personal computers with a similar MSRP from the same era with a G5 and you'll see that the Mac has far and away more residual value. And it's not only financial. Despite the fact that PCs dominate the desktops of my social circle, I don't know anybody using a PII or PIII-based machine for anything significant, yet I know of a fair amount of living, breathing, productive PowerPC-era Macs.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967504)

Your argument is also ridiculous. You don't buy computers based on resale value.. If you value resale value so much, I have an RS/6000 machine I'd like to sell you. Now, about productive PowerPC-era Macs, they're less powerful and suck u pmore electricity. That's why you don't see P2/P3 machines anymore for the same reason. Also they're much cheaper to replace and hence why they're mostly gone.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

greed (112493) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966486)

With the exception of the Performa [56][23]00 series, all Macs with an MMU can run Linux pretty well. (So that's 68020 with a 68851, 68030 or later, and all PowerPCs.)

I used a 68k version of Debian on an old Quadra as a serial terminal for a bit. In text mode, it was plenty fast enough.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

fidget42 (538823) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966512)

Where can I get a prescription to the drugs that you are taking? When Apple went from the 68K to the PPC, they supported 68K apps via a 68K emulator. When they transition to Intel, they supported (an still support) PPC via Rosetta.

Now, if you would have said that they don't feel a need to be held hostage to backward compatibility (in that the Intel Macs don't support 68K emulation), that would be correct. Plenty of time is given to allow people to transition away from reliability on older systems. After all, IMNSHO, Windows would be a far better OS if they didn't maintain compatibility with poorly written DOS and Windows 3.x applications.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966744)

There isn't any compatibility with dos and windows 3.x applications on modern versions of windows. You'd have to use some manner of emulator, like dos box, and I dunno what for windows 3.x.

Windows isn't a dos shell anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time. I think you're reading industry mags from about 1997.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966528)

... but at least now with Intel based Macs, the machines will always be able to run Linux pretty well....

Maybe I missed the memo, but I recently learned that this is not entirely true anymore. At least on the newer Macbook Pro laptops.
It may run linux, but getting linux there is no easy task.
Try installing linux on a macbook pro from fall of 2010 or newer. Its nearly impossible.
The machine wont boot from usb (even if its an official apple cd drive with osx cd).
The basic tricks around this (using reFit and other tools) get you one baby step further, then it says something like, "foreign os detected, halting boot process".
It is possible, but wildly difficult - either remove your harddrive and install linux (by hand), or use parallels get the dual-boot process started(or similar).

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966644)

use vmware fusion. it lets you boot into any vm you want. dead simple.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966958)

vm is easy, i agree.
i was addressing the issue of running linux natively on a mac.... as the parent article suggested.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967200)

a bootable vm is effectively the same thing. can just hold the option key at boot to pick whichever one you want.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967154)

Bullshit. I dual-booted OSX and Ubuntu in about 10 minutes, plus the actual file-copy time. Hold down "C" when you start the computer, with a burned CD in the drive. Easier than fiddling with boot ordering. To be clear, this is on a relatively new MBP

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966642)

This makes all the G4 and G5 devices out there all but useless...

Bull, I know many people who still use G4s and G5s... Sure, they're not the fastest machines on the planet, but they're also between 5 and 10 years old! You're talking about machines as old as 1Ghz Pentium 3s here, and you don't see many of them about any more, do you?

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

powerlord (28156) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966660)

I think it has more to do with how mature hardware is in a given space, than any desire to arbitrarily Obsolete machines.

I can't speak toward the 68XXX machines, but I was an apple user during the transition to Intel architecture. Intel started rolling out during Tiger's (OS 10.4) deployment period.

Apple released Leopard (10.5) with support for both Intel and PPC.

One of the major features of 10.6 (from what I remember) is Grand Central Dispatch, allowing programs to run on multi-core machines, without having to explicitly code for multiple cores. Apple started transitioning to Intel chipsets in 2006, OSX 10.6 was released in mid 2009, about 3 1/2 years later. While it is sad to see older hardware not able to run the latest and greatest versions of the OS we may want, the sad fact is that coding to two separate architectures, especially one that has not been sold for 3.5 years does not make sense.

G4s and G5s will run OSX 10.5 just fine, and should work well for most people who write email, browse the web, and occasionally use it for other things.

I'm "aware of the problem" but at least now with Intel based Macs, the machines will always be able to run Linux pretty well... hell, even Windows 7 for that matter. I'm guessing Apple is already regretting their decision to go with Intel based architecture.

Pitty there isn't/wasn't a way to run Linux on all those PPC architecture computers ... oh wait http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ [yellowdoglinux.com] . Really, Apple could care less what OS you choose to run on your computer, as long as they were the ones to sell you the hardware.

With the iPhone, the hardware has seen major upgrades in terms of functionality since the initial model has been released. This is still a very evolving market-space, and I expect hardware specs to keep evolving in the SmartPhone space for another generation or two before they start to stabilize on features enough to have a "common" hardware platform to work off of.

Some of this complaint of obsolescence seems almost like complaining that I can't run Windows XP on my 386.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966740)

So is your argument that Apple (or any other manufacturer for that matter) should not build new features into their products if the old features were not compatible? Have you thought that through? Would you like your car to not have an automatic transmission, air conditioning, power steering, power windows, or anything beyond AM radio because those features were not compatible with the way things were before?

With your logic there shouldn't even have been an iPhone 3G because it had features that the original iPhone did not.

News flash - companies that do not evolve their products die. If you want the new stuff, man up and buy the new stuff. If you don't want the new stuff enough to buy it, don't whine about it.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

lpp (115405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966772)

Your logic is flawed. You are incorrectly assuming that because something better becomes available what you are currently using becomes obsolete.

For someone purchasing a new iPhone, yes, it would not make sense to purchase anything other than the most recent revision. But existing owners of models of iPhone prior to iPhone 4 can go on using their iPhone 3GS, 3G, original iPhone, just as they always have. The iPhone, like all current (and past) smart phones, was not sold on the premise that hardware upgrades would be available for it. Like all current (and past) smart phones, it makes use of largely non-upgradeable hardware parts that are part of the original purchasing decision. Some parts are upgradeable in some smart phones (i.e. memory cards) but that's the extent of it usually. And you knew that going in.

And for the most part Apple has been pretty generous with their iOS updates. When features could be made available based on the existing hardware for a given iPhone generation, they were.

But even with all of the snazzy capabilities of the iPhone 4 vs the original iPhone, original iPhones still make phone calls, can still run the apps installed, can still access the internet and still have better usability than the vast majority of current (and past) smart phones.

Do not confuse envy with obsolescence.

Legacy support isn't good if it holds you back. (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966804)

The 3GS is available today for $50 with a new contract, so it's not like Apple is asking a lot with the upgrade. The 3G does more today than it did when the last one was sold. Apple shouldn't support users who have long since stopped providing a financial benefit to apple if it would mean hobbling new devices purchased by paying customers today. It isn't worth it for them to try to keep "customers" who aren't even willing to pay $50 for the new features.

Re:Legacy support isn't good if it holds you back. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967106)

"The 3GS is available today for $50 with a new contract"

You seem to imagine the price of that two year contract doesn't
matter in your calculus of how much it costs to upgrade to a
newer device.

But for the person who understands that a an unlocked iPhone 3G
can be used for significantly less money on T-Mobile's network,
the difference in real cost is significant.

Re:Legacy support isn't good if it holds you back. (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967366)

And apple makes money from this how? It would be very counter-productive for Apple to support users who are willing to go to such lengths to avoid paying for the new features they would be getting.

Apple has no more planned obsolescence than others (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966962)

Apple has no qualms about making your computer obsolete so you have to buy new things. The promise of the PC was that you could keep upgrading on and on with inexpensive parts. That's not as true as I would like it to be, but it's not exactly a lie either.

Not a lie but somewhat misleading. Apple's computers are basically laptops, and hence no less upgradable than comparable PCs. Keep in mind that the iMac and mini are basically laptops embedded behind a monitor or without a monitor. All-in-one PCs designs like the iMac have similar limited upgrade options. Similar story for the ultra compact PCs comparable to the mini. Also keep in mind that Apple does offer computers in traditional tower configurations and their size, airflow, etc is such that you can fiddle with the components. Admittedly PCs towers are far more cost effective for most users. I think the real problem with Apple's product line is that they only produce a tower for the high end users, they don't offer a simplified tower for average users - basically what most PC towers are. So Macs are pretty much like their comparable PCs, Apple just ignores one particular niche of the market.

But with Apple, they care almost nothing about backward compatibility and backward portability. This makes all the G4 and G5 devices out there all but useless... before that, the 68XXX based machines. Now, with multiple iProducts out there, they are also abandoning the people who bought their iProducts less than 5 years ago expecting them to spend more money

Just like PCs. I had a Dell Latitude with a Pentium-M 1.6 GHz and 1GB RAM running WinXP. It was OK, but an upgrade to Vista would have seriously degraded the performance. Much like the iPhone 3G running iOS4.

I'm guessing Apple is already regretting their decision to go with Intel based architecture.

Bad guess. Going Intel basically doubled their market share.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966972)

yeah, my 3GS is so obsolete running iOS3, I'm like living in the dark ages without those revolutionary iOS4 features.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967004)

I'm sorry but the parent post is full of dumb arguments. Apple is far from a perfect company but it feels like people are willing to stretch further and further these days to criticize them.

Now, with multiple iProducts out there, they are also abandoning the people who bought their iProducts less than 5 years ago expecting them to spend more money... or to spin it another way, creating more waste in landfills.

Will these older iPhones not continue to work with the older software? Do they really have to be sent to the landfill because Apple doesn't continue to provide major software updates? Would you even have bothered to post if this discussion was about another company not updating their 3 year old phones?

Microsoft would LOVE to have the power Apple has to render OSes and hardware obsolete.

Obsolete? Really? I didn't realize any of the newer iOS updates were so ground breaking.

I'm guessing Apple is already regretting their decision to go with Intel based architecture.

Absolutely! It's caused them nothing but problems. I mean, it's not easy to ramp up production to be able to sell record numbers of Macs every quarter. The ability to easily run Windows on a Mac has allowed lots of people who require Windows for a few applications to make the switch.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

Ogi_UnixNut (916982) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967008)

What's wrong with running Linux on the G4/G5's? I've been buying up the PPC macs and using them for Linux workstations and servers. They are most excellent hardware wise, and are quite quiet too! They are also cheap for what you get. Installing Linux on them was actually pretty easy (I Run a mixture of Debian an Gentoo on them) and have yet to feel constrained by the different architecture.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967032)

Good luck finding any mobile phone where you can update it for more than one or two versions. Some hardware providers / service providers won't let you upgrade at all unless you jail break the thing. Again even if you do jail break it you'll be lucky to get more than a couple versions out of it.

Phones are not PCs. They're limited hardware that are meant to give you the most power for the longest time during that given period. HTC, Apple, etc don't really want you using your phone longer than your contract anyway. New systems will take advantage of new hardware rendering your old hardware obsolete just as they want it.

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967056)

How, pray tell, would one go upgrading any phone or notebook, if not by buying a new one?

(Notebook has limited ram slots and upgrades seem to be limited to whether to fork over the cash for an SSD or not.)

Re:The other thing people dislike about Apple (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967240)

Your name is rather appropos because there are some key facts that you're getting wrong.

But with Apple, they care almost nothing about backward compatibility and backward portability. This makes all the G4 and G5 devices out there all but useless... before that,

That last OS that the G5 supported was Leopard (10.5) released October 26, 2007 and last updated August 5, 2009. The Power Mac G5 was discontinued August 7, 2006. The iMac G5 was discontinued March 20, 2006. The Mac mini G4 was discontinued Feb 2006. Most if not all G4/G5 were supported by Leopard after they were discontinued. From wikipedia:

Leopard can run on older hardware as long as they have a G4 upgrade installed running at the 867 MHz or faster, have at least 9 GB free of hard drive space, 512 MB RAM and have a DVD drive. Leopard however will not run on the 900 MHz iBook G3 models even though they exceed the minimum 867 MHz requirement.

Microsoft would LOVE to have the power Apple has to render OSes and hardware obsolete.

In most cases G4 hardware that started on Panther (10.3) were eligible for two major OS upgrades. By comparison, how many PCs that started out with XP in 2003 were able to be upgraded to Windows 7 in 2009? Heck how many of them were really Vista compatible and not "Vista Ready". Very few.

What is this? (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966242)

for the folders

I am not an iPhone user. What does he mean by this? Are folders something new?

Re:What is this? (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966300)

In newer versions of iOS, you can group app icons into nameable "folders" in order to save space or hide rarely-used items.

Re:What is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966304)

Apple really lagged on this one - home screen folders didn't exist on iOS until version 4. It was one of the 'revolutionary' features (http://www.apple.com/ipad/ios4/) that other mobile OS' had for years already.

Re:What is this? (4, Funny)

WitnessForTheOffense (1669778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966344)

Yeah. Steve Jobs invented them. They're going to revolutionize how you organize files on your device. Nobody has ever done this before. Give Steve your money so he can complete that cyborg body he's working on so he can rule Appletopia's authoritarian walled garden forever!

Re:What is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967090)

-1 Troll

is this weather, or a bad chemistry experiment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966258)

looks like hell. the chosen ones' 'scientists' have stepped in it once again. even the deities are attempting to disassociate themselves at this point, with floundering flagrantly friday just ahead of us? the repeat of thermal thursday will definitely be a hard one to forget, nor should we.

chemistry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966316)

Judging by the title, I thought this story was gonna actually have something to do with Chemistry.
Like maybe the iPhone 3G is made of a very specific kind of plastic or something.
Nope. Actual chemistry gets no respect here.

Re:chemistry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966376)

The iPhone 3G is made of shit-onium, and iOS 4 made of crap-adium, and when you mix the two together, you get bigpileoffeces-tium.

Older models are left to die (3, Informative)

Eugenia Loli (250395) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966336)

Apple needs to be a bit more carefully about older versions of the OS and models. Case in point:

1. This: http://www.osnews.com/story/24428/The_Next_Brick_to_Decorate_Your_Wall_iOS_3_x_Devices [osnews.com]
After months this article got posted, the App Store STILL DOES NOT work properly. You still can't update an app from within the device by hitting "update". The button does nothing! You need iOS 4.x or above before you can update via iOS (so we now have to use iTunes, which I don't want to use since that iPod has no music in it, I just use it as a PDA).

2. Apple REMOVED AirTunes support from iOS 4 when the second generation of AppleTV came out. What they did exactly was to stop supporting the original AppleTV (that was still sold at the time), from within iOS. So I can't use the 1st Gen AppleTV to send audio too from my iOS device anymore. This used to work just fine up to a few months ago. After the iOS 4.2 update, the support was removed.

Re:Older models are left to die (1)

qwertyatwork (668720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966656)

I update apps on my 2g all the time from the app store on the phone. I do hit the update button, I don't use iTunes to update (all the time) and I'm on 3.1.3.

Re:Older models are left to die (1)

Eugenia Loli (250395) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966692)

This does not work here, for two different devices, and if you read the article, you will see that there are many people who can't. There are many threads about it. If you can, you're special.

Re:Older models are left to die (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966672)

After months this article got posted, the App Store STILL DOES NOT work properly. You still can't update an app from within the device by hitting "update". The button does nothing!

lolwut? My 3.1.3 Iphone 2g updates apps through the appstore just fine. That could be the only difference between running 3.1.3 and 3.1.2.

Re:Older models are left to die (2)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966760)

What are you on? You've NEVER been able to send airTunes from another iOS Device to the AppleTV ver1 unless you hacked one or both devices.

Re:Older models are left to die (1)

LoganDzwon (1170459) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966988)

1. (A)App Store is part of the iOS version your running. It can not up upgrade separately. (B) Apple doesn't send engineers to your house if your phone isn't working right. (C) I've shopped for houses in Cupertino at one point, if you live nearby Apple you live in a multi-million dollar house. You can afford to replace your cell phone every 4 years, thus solving your problem. (D) All firmware updates are handled by iTunes on any version of the iOS. This is done purposefully so iTunes can create a backup of all your data before it formats your system partition and then reinstall all the system software. 2. You just making things up. No version of iOS has had any airplay features removed. No iPhone or iPod has had the ability to be a remove speaker. Only the Airport Express and the AppleTV. All of which still have those features. No version of the AppleTV has had the ability to send audio to another device.

Regional Issue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966354)

What? Is this a US only issue? I am in the UK, running iOS 4.2 on an iPhone 3G, all done through apple software update. What have I missed?

And for those who are envious, don't be; it's slow as balls.

Re:Regional Issue? (1)

Whalou (721698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966524)

What have I missed?

Version 4.3.*

Re:Regional Issue? (1)

0x15e (961860) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966578)

Bad summary. TFA says that the iOS 4.2 on the 3G is a far cry from iOS 4.2 on newer ones (and, hence, doesn't count) and that it sucks so bad he had to jump through all kinds of hoops to downgrade back to 3.

Cutting edge news (1)

evel aka matt (123728) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966362)

Startling insights...a year after iOS 4 was released. Is there really anyone who has a 3G and is considering upgrading to 4 that isn't aware of this already? In other late-breaking stories, Barack Obama won the 2008 election! HOPE PREVAILS!

Still in contract? (1)

Theovon (109752) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966386)

I recall when iOS4 came out, there were people still in contract with 3G iPhones. I'm not sure if there still are at this point, bit it's kindof a lousy thing to do, to take a phone that was slow to begin with and make it even slower.

Re:Still in contract? (1)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966500)

Ad more features on the same hardware and it gets slower.. This goes for almost any OS. The only issue here is that on embedded devices you can't always go back once you move forward.

Re:Still in contract? (0)

LoganDzwon (1170459) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967016)

Same with most propitiatory software. If you go to the store and buy a Win7 upgrade and apply it to your Vista machine, your vista license is technically superseded by the Win7 license. You have no right to use Vista anymore even if you hate win7 for some reason.

Re:Still in contract? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966606)

I'm on contract with my 3G for a couple more months. Purchased it the day the 3GS launched.

Re:Still in contract? (1)

presidenteloco (659168) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966780)

I have a 3G still on contract.

I stopped upgrading the OS way way back to avoid loss of tethering support.

Only on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966410)

Can you rant about installing a piece of software not designed to work for a particular device, on a device never intended to work with the said piece of software, using an installation process not authorized or supported by the manufacturer, and when it miserably fails, make it sound like it is the manufacturer's fault.

Upgrading 3g is for masochists only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35966422)

I upgraded my 3g iphone in August and it basically killed the phone. You had to wait like 5 seconds for any screen to open - wait 5 seconds for your typing to appear on the screen - it rendered the phone virtually unusable.
Of course when I went into the Apple store to ask how to downgrade they said you can't downgrade you are stuck with this unusable phone.
But for $300 I could get a shiny new phone

Actually, it's [relatively] easily fixable (1)

Nick Triantos (908078) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966584)

I had huge perf problems with my 3G after installing iOS 4, and no update ever fixed it. However, it is relatively easy to fix, just a small bit of pain. To fix this, connect your phone to iTunes, then restore, but don't restore a backup... Do a new install. You then have to reinstall your apps/photos/music/etc., and reset all your preferences, but after doing that, my iPhone is basically back to where it was perf-wise with iOS 3.x, and I get the new features of 4.x (which I don't really care about). As others have said, it's very hard to go back to 3.x because they upgrade the baseband firmware in ways that are apparently incompatible with OS version 3.x.

Re:Actually, it's [relatively] easily fixable (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967290)

I found the main culprit was Location Services. It's surprising how many apps want to use it. I turned it off for everything except Maps and it made the phone much more usable.

Slow day for Apple-bashing? (1)

realinvalidname (529939) | more than 3 years ago | (#35966746)

The iPhone 3G has an off-the-shelf 400 MHz CPU with 128MB RAM. The current model, iPhone 4, has a custom-designed 1 GHz CPU and 256 MB RAM. Is anyone really surprised that an OS designed to make the most of the latter is beyond the abilities of the former?

Re:Slow day for Apple-bashing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967104)

Good point overall, but for clarification it's believed that the iPhone 4 runs at 800MHz and not 1GHz like the iPad; and it has 512MB of ram, not 256.

Seriously though, this is terribly old "news."

Re:Slow day for Apple-bashing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967144)

please don't let the facts get in the way of the truth. Don't you know, this is slashdot.

Re:Slow day for Apple-bashing? (2)

niw3 (1029008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967242)

What we expect is that Apple may turn off some features on older models and let the early adopters enjoy mostly SECURITY UPDATES. It shouldn't be that difficult. My 2 year old phone is without security updates for months. On the other hand, even really old Macs can 'run' OS X Leopard. Great job Apple!

Re:Slow day for Apple-bashing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967490)

iPhone 4 actually has 512M of RAM.

Why would this story be on here now?! (1)

theJML (911853) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967126)

Seriously, I've been running iOS 4.x on my 3G iPhone since it was released. 4.0 kinda sucked... but 4.2.1 seems pretty stable and much faster than the other 4.x variants. Version 4.0 was released June 21, 2010... that's almost a full year ago. If you haven't upgraded to 4.x yet, you've either decided long ago you're not going to, or you're living under a rock.

Maybe just this guy? (2)

kehren77 (814078) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967188)

I have iOS 4 installed on my gen 2 iPod Touch and it runs just fine.

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35967364)

"New OS doesn't run well on old hardware!"

Notice these dumb stories turn up when we've gone a few days without an Apple story to bitch about.

Here's an idea! (1)

sfunk1x (2085698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967382)

UPGRADE YOUR PHONE. If you care so much about problems with 4.0, why not upgrade to 4.2.1? It's a significant performance improvement over 4.0 on the 3G. But for fux sake, get a newer device. Seriously. I had an HTC G1 that I hobbled along with Cyanogenmod updates, but old hardware can only do so much. It's like asking an Edsel to do what a BMW M5 does.

all iOS 4 not created equal (1)

n8r0n (1447647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35967426)

I would have completely agreed with the premise of the topic when iOS 4.0 was released. It brought my 3G to a crawl. But, the majority of the sluggishness problems were fixed in iOS 4.1. Don't lump the current version in with the original release of iOS 4.

It obviously would have been better if Apple actually tested 4.0 on 3G devices, which would have immediately revealed a problem. They apparently didn't, or didn't care .. which is bad. But, the fix did come.

Also, a lot of the observed problems may actually have less to do with the OS version, and more to do with the fact that most users don't use the optimal method of upgrading their OS. If you just accept iTunes' prompt to upgrade when you connect your iPhone, you'll likely eventually wind up with a phone that's bogged down and sluggish. I've had much better results instead backing up my phone (apps, data, music, etc.), then using the "Restore" process to go to the new OS as a clean slate. You then, of course, have to restore from backup, after going to the new OS. It's an extra step, and probably shouldn't be necessary, but it gets better results than the basic "upgrade".

Make sure you're not confusing these two issues (OS suitability for older hardware, and the problems with direct upgrades).

http://www.enscand.com/roller/enscand/entry/upgrading_iphone_3g_to_ios4 [enscand.com]

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