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3 Foxconn Employees Charged For Leaking iPad 2 Design

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the hope-no-one-leaked-about-white-iphone dept.

Crime 178

syngularyx writes "Three employees from Taiwan-based Foxconn Electronics' (Hon Hai Precision Industry's) plants in Shenzhen, China, have been charged with leaking the iPad 2's design to outside accessory companies in China, according to a Chinese-language sznews.com report. Several online shopping retailers in China were able to sell iPad 2 protective case products before the iPad 2 was even launched, leading Foxconn to suspect that there might have been some employees leaking the design of iPad 2, which it reported to the local police."

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178 comments

goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971528)

dude has to shove an elephant tampon up his poop shoot.

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971684)

(posting as AC for obvious reasons)

Dear /. owners/IT/whoever in charge...

You know it would be really easy to give users a way to report trolling, spam & such?
That's a clear *abuse* of the forum. Why don't you offer a way to flag those posts, and then report them to their ISPs so their account can be terminated? (I don't know, something like a *report* button? )

I don't know how seriously this will be taken, but then again, I've been working for more than 5 years at a *very large* ISP's abuse department and don't recall receiving that many (if any) complaints from /. ... /. is turning into 4chan...

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971706)

Dear /.

Is there a way to report fucktards who want to turn /. into a nanny-state, thin skinned, politically correct retard bin?

I find the goatse stuff as distasteful as the next... and a lot more than some I'm sure. But I would rather have those moderated below my threshold than see a nanny site.

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (0)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971868)

Why?

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972088)

trolling is a art

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1, Offtopic)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972760)

trolling is a art

Too bad, not everybody trolling is even a decent artist. OP is painting by numbers.

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (0, Offtopic)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971794)

If only we had a moderation system in place... Oh wait there is, so no need to censor some jerk because we ... wait for it mr isp guy, we crowd source it to the cloud! *additional buzz words here*

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1, Offtopic)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972060)

So don't browse at -1.

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1, Offtopic)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972338)

Dear /. owners/IT/whoever in charge...You know it would be really easy to give users a way to report trolling, spam & such?

If only there was a way for you to filter out posts with a negative rating...that would be totally awesome

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1, Offtopic)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972566)

You must be new here.

Re:goatse's asshole charged with leaking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972778)

(posting as AC for obvious reasons)

Yep, trolling's an obvious reason.

  Judging from the inflamed responses you're getting, all I can say is: well trolled, good sir!

Why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971544)

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anythingâ"I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock. Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy looked like a real man's man, tooâ"big biceps, meaty thighs, thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until he started sucking my cock, that is. Where does this queer get the nerve to suck my cock? Did I look gay to him? Was I wearing a pink feather boa without realizing it? I don't recall the phrase, "Suck my cock" entering the conversation, and I don't have a sign around my neck that reads, "Please, You Homosexuals, Suck My Cock." I've got nothing against homosexuals. Let them be free to do their gay thing in peace, I say. But when they start sucking my cock, then I've got a real problem. Then there was the time I was hiking through the woods and came across a rugged-looking, blond-haired man in his early 30s. He seemed straight enough to me while we were bathing in that mountain stream, but, before you know it, he's sucking my cock! What is it with these homos? Can't they control their sexual urges? Aren't there enough gay cocks out there for them to suck on without them having to target normal people like me? Believe me, I have no interest in getting my cock sucked by some queer. But try telling that to the guy at the beach club. Or the one at the video store. Or the one who catered my wedding. Or any of the countless other homos who've come on to me recently. All of them sucked my cock, and there was nothing I could do to stop them. I tell you, when a homosexual is sucking your cock, a lot of strange thoughts go through your head: How the hell did this happen? Where did this fairy ever get the idea that I was gay? And where did he get those fantastic boots? It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a man passes me on the street, I'm afraid he's going to grab me and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I've even started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with my wifeâ"even some that haven't actually happened, like the sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks forward Mark Messier that I can't seem to stop thinking about. Things could be worse, I suppose. It could be women trying to suck my cock, which would be adultery and would make me feel tremendously guilty. As it is, I'm just angry and sickened. But believe me, that's enough. I don't know what makes these homosexuals mistake me for a guy who wants his cock sucked, and, frankly, I don't want to know. I just wish there were some way to get them to stop. I've tried all sorts of things to get them to stop, but it has all been to no avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the hopes that it would frighten those faggots off, but it didn't work. In fact, it only seemed to encourage them. Then, I really started getting rough, slapping them around whenever they were sucking my cock, but that failed, too. Even pulling out of their mouths just before ejaculation and shooting sperm all over their face, neck, chest and hair seemed to have no effect. What do I have to do to get the message across to these swishes? I swear, if these homosexuals don't take a hint and quit sucking my cock all the time, I'm going to have to resort to drastic measuresâ"like maybe pinning them down to the cement floor of the loading dock with my powerful forearms and working my cock all the way up their butt so they understand loud and clear just how much I disapprove of their unwelcome advances. I mean, you can't get much more direct than that.

Re:Why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971640)

lol

Re:Why? (-1, Offtopic)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971676)

Someone obviously spent a lot of time and energy and love on this wall of text.

Re:Why? (0)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971744)

Must have been cut and paste.... Messier hasn't even played in the NHL for years, never mind Vancouver.

Re:Why? (1, Offtopic)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971764)

Yes. And that someone was a writer for the onion.

Re:Why? (-1, Offtopic)

rockout (1039072) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971860)

This really should be modded up "Informative"

Larry Ellison: America's Greediest CEO (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971546)

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009125120/americas-greediest-2009-top-ten

Larry Ellison appeared on our “greediest” list last year. He may appear every year. No one may better personify, personally and professionally, the self-absorption, arrogance, and insensitivity that separates the merely greedy from the greediest.

In 2008, Ellison, the CEO of Oracle business software, contested the $166.3 million tax appraisal on his Northern California estate. The assessment appeals panel gave him a $3 million tax refund in a ruling that will cost the local school system an annual $250,000, the cost of hiring and supplying three teachers.

Ellison, the holder of a $27 billion fortune, spent a good bit of 2009 sparing no expense to build a yacht speedy enough to win next year’s America’s Cup, the world’s top sailing race. His new racing yacht has a $10-million mast “18-stories tall and sails large enough to cover a baseball infield.” Some 30 designers and scientists spent 130,000 hours putting the vessel together.

For more casual water fun, Ellison takes to the seas on his 453-foot mega yacht, the Rising Sun, a boat he co-owns with Hollywood mogul David Geffen. This five-story little ship boasts 82 rooms and a basketball court that doubles as a helicopter pad. The construction cost in 2004: $200 million.

subplugOn the business side, Ellison did his best in 2009 to top the $557 million he took home as Oracle’s CEO in 2008. His magic formula: Ellison’s a serial merger. He buys companies, takes their customers, and fires their workers. His top 2009 gobble-up: Silicon Valley’s Sun Microsystems.

The Sun merger, analysts believe, will almost certainly end up eliminating more jobs than the 5,000 positions lost when Oracle bought out rival PeopleSoft.

And did we mention the dividends? Oracle this past spring announced plans to pay out its first dividend. The announcement, CNBC estimated, meant a $57.5 million quarterly check for Ellison in May and another $230 million in dividend checks over the next 12 months.

In 2009, the old Silicon Valley joke still rang true: “What's the difference between God and Larry Ellison? Answer: God doesn't think he's Larry Ellison.”

Re:Larry Ellison: America's Greediest CEO (0)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972308)

Unless the guy did something illegal to get it, he's free to do as he wishes with his money. Plus, he's obviously spending it according to your post, not even hoarding it.

My advice to you: quit being an envious whiner, and focus on your own life instead of bitching about others'.

Re:Larry Ellison: America's Greediest CEO (2, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972540)

Property ownership is a social construction, ownership of fiat money doubly so.

He has all that money because society has granted him the privilege as reward for whatever he is supposed to have done to benefit society. If society considers the reward excessive, it will take some of it away - or simply stop protecting him.

If you don't like this, you can live in an alternative reality where humans are slaves who have no choice but to live by your principles - principles which seem to be based on the childish notion that any man who objects to the super-rich, especially the super-rich who got their break selling to government, is simply "an envious whiner". Until then, stop preaching and start accepting a world where society reflects the will of a sufficiently numerous and powerful group, and the best we can do is stop any single subset of special interests getting too powerful.

remember the guy who was tortured & went suici (5, Insightful)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971560)

there was a foxconn employee who lost a prototype or something .

he told several people that he was tortured.

he later committed suicide.

of course, if he had been on facebook and 'bullied', his case would be on Oprah and celebrities would be filming bizarre public service ads about 'how to stop bullying'.

but since he was just another replacable chinese worker, instead his case gets shouted down by mac fanboys who try to minimize what Steve Jobs and Foxconn are complicit in - Dickensian working conditions in a repressive police state.

'Leaking' is a bullshit phrase used to invent 'spies' when most 'leaked' information is either leaked by accident, incompetence, or higher up managers who are being payed. Every fucking case of espionage it works like this, from Aldrich Ames (ten+ years of spying, but he was a high up official so nobody got him until some old ladies at CIA decided to go after him) to Wen Ho Lee ( a low level nuclear weapons simulation programmer who was accused of 'espionage' for backing up his programs to tape... his persecution turned out to be entirely motivated by politics and the media cycle in washington, and had nothing to do with him ever leaking anything)

its all fucking PR, bullshit, and lies. do not fucking drink the fucking koolaid.

you are a free human being, and you have natural rights. one of them is to talk. another is to be free from inane prosecutions by incompetent bureaucrats and clueless officials. by drumming this idea into your head that 'leaking' is a 'crime', they are trying to destroy free speech by brainwashing you into thinking it doesnt really exist. it does exist. its as free as the air and as free as the mind god gave you.

A few months ago, China threw a girl in a labor camp for being sarcastic on twitter. BEfore that, they threw a guy in prison because he ran a website about the poisoned baby-milk scandal. Recently they have thrown artists and others in prison for similar bullshit reasons.

This is the system that is trying to make you believe that 'leaking' is a 'serious crime'.

the only thing criminal here are the systems themselves, and the nooses they keep tightening around the necks of humanity.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1, Interesting)

Infernal Device (865066) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971630)

Failure to adhere up to the terms of a contract can be a crime in certain jurisdictions.

While that doesn't excuse torture or other means of extreme coercion, we do need penalties harsh enough to make potential contract-breakers really think about it beforehand.

Economic crimes should not be tolerated just because no one gets physically hurt.

contracts - like geohot and the PSN? (3, Insightful)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971674)

Sony sued Geohot - one of the claims was that he clicked 'accept' to a PSN user agreement. somehow they claim that is a contract. its total nonsense becasue 1, he claimed he never clicked it and 2. EULAs are not contracts nor should they be considered when they are 100 pages long and nobody can understand them.

again, they are trying to brainwash humanity into thinking that ordinary human behavior is a crime.

and if you think the law is fair on this, try going after some gigantic company that breaks its contract with you.

oh wait, AT&T just got a supreme court ruling that says that .... class action lawsuits can't occur anymore if you 'agree' to the 'contract' where it says you have to accept binding arbitration.

congratulations, your legal rights are being stripped away one by one by megacorporations. pretty soon you wont be able to eat, drink, or shit without signing a fucking 100 page contract where you agree that you have no rights anymore.

Re:contracts - like geohot and the PSN? (3, Insightful)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971840)

I'm pretty sure that Employment Agreements are real honest to god 3-4 page dead tree contracts that you have to physically put pen to, and that you actually are free to talk to someone if you're uncomfortable with the terms of. This is completely fucking different from a 100 page agreement that you scroll to the bottom of and tap "Accept" on, and claiming otherwise is disingenuous and frankly bullshit.

Re:contracts - like geohot and the PSN? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971962)

When was the last time you worked under contract?

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (4, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971738)

Failure to adhere up to the terms of a contract can be a crime in certain jurisdictions.

Economic crimes should not be tolerated just because no one gets physically hurt.

Welcome to Asia, where economic crimes aren't just tolerated, they're encouraged.

My money is on nothing of note happening to this guy. He might get fired, in which case he'll just get a new job at the factory down the street. Police wont charge him because he's go no money (for "tea money").

The true economic crimes such as the harsh conditions products are made in are also ignored.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971814)

Aren't the conditions less harsh then the employees' alternatives? Would you rather them go do something else?

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (4, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972082)

Aren't the conditions less harsh then the employees' alternatives? Would you rather them go do something else?

That's a very bad and obvious strawman, even for an AC.

It frames the argument by presenting a binary choice that is not explained. You _must_ choose between something bad or something unknown that is _worse_.

What this ignores is that there are more options, such as fair pay and conditions. However this would cause prices to rise which is why people dont like it and dismiss it as an option. A binary choice is bad as it deflects attention away from choices you find uncomfortable but may actually be better as well as alternatives you haven't thought of.

I once was asked this by a Philipina girl.

"why are Kano [American] rich and Pinoy [Philipino] poor?"

The best answer I could think of was education. I responded.
ME "how many years of school did you finish?"
HER "I didn't go to school, too expensive"
ME "who taught you to read and write"
HER "My Uncle"

Education in general is not as bad as this in the Philipines, this girl was from Samar, the poorest province of Luzon but it's nowhere near the 12 years we get at practically no cost in the west. BTW, I'm Australian not American, Kano (Americano) has just evolved into a name for all us whities.

The Worst Strawman Of all (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972106)

What this ignores is that there are more options, such as fair pay and conditions. However this would cause prices to rise which is why people dont like it and dismiss it as an option.

You know what is a REALLY bad strawman? To put up an alternate reality that is not possible and claim it is a "choice" that is being ignored.

Lets say magically you convinced a company to pay workers at a chinese assembly plant the same wages they would get in the U.S. Who would hire that plant? You have all of the downsides of interacting with people very far away, and for the same cost you could just build the thing at home.

So you mythical company with full pay has no customers, and goes out of business. The people with supposedly "fair pay and conditions" instead find there is no job at all.

From there you have to start sliding backwards away from "fair pay and conditions" to meet reality. The reality that you ignore that for China, the amount people working at places like Foxconn get IS "fair pay and conditions", because in fact the other choices they have are far worse. By trying to raise either side of that equation you drive companies to other parts of the world and instead of helping, you are putting people out of work. Other people have noted elsewhere that the supposed suicide factory of Foxconn has a lower percentage rate of suicide than the U.S., something which should be making you re-think assumptions about what is fair, what is a good rate of pay, and how exactly you help people without screwing them over.

You like thought terminating cliche's dont you? (3, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972232)

It's why you change the title with each post you make. Most of us have noticed.

Lets say magically you convinced a company to pay workers at a chinese assembly plant the same wages they would get in the U.S.

You're using the same logical fallacy as the AC. Except it's even less thought out.

You're preventing other options from existing in your example by means of using loaded language. What happens if China begins a push towards workers rights. Europe as a whole did this in about 50 years. China wont even need a revolution, all they need is for the idea to be popular in government. In fact they've already planned for it, why do you think the Chines have such an interest in East African politics?

You're using the same argument that there can only be one outcome and all other options must be blanked out.

By trying to raise either side of that equation you drive companies to other parts of the world and instead of helping, you are putting people out of work.

Now this is just a justification to help yourself with the decision you've already made.

This is a fallacious argument designed to alleviate yourself of guilt. Bad things are justified because a potential alternative is worse, the problem with this thinking is that you've had to deny the possibility of other options in order to accomplish this.

There are alternatives, you simply don't want to accept them because it would require you giving up or admitting something you don't want to..

Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have all got a modicum of labour rights with the ability to produce cheap stuff. Taiwan and Japan will actually hold a company to account over serious problems.

Re:You like thought terminating cliche's dont you? (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972460)

What is cheap? Go have a look at the local electronics store would you. You'll find that NONE of the CHEAP stuff comes from Japan. Medium range things do. Look at the camera industry. Nikon, Canon, Olympus, most of their cheap consumer bodies are made in Thailand or China. It's not till you start paying $2000+ till you find things that say Made in Japan on them. Same with electronics. Most Panasonic TVs are made in Malaysia, their top of the range models are made in Japan with a premium price to boot.

Your rebuttal also ignores the massive differences in the cost of living between Japan and China. Japan has workers rights and labour laws, yay, they get paid 700% the Chinese median wage. Yet standard consumer goods are also +150% the price of China, basic utilities are +580%, basic telephone service, +1000%.

People blabber on about the horrendous pay of Chinese workers ignoring the fact that these workers are often provided with accommodation and food, and those who work and return to home will pay for a house close to the city centre what westerners commonly pay for in the bush.

The real problem here that every person in this thread has at some point taken a statistic out of the context of the local country and attempted to apply very different western rules to it. Go visit China one day. You'll find it's not full of 1bn homeless people.

Re:You like thought terminating cliche's dont you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972552)

I live in China, and it's filled with over 200 million people who don't get enough to eat every day. Hmm... lets take advantage of that desperation and get really cheap labor! How you can possibly maintain the position that exploiting people is the lesser evil is mind boggling. By that logic, the American Revolution was bad because people died and suffered. We should have just let the English manipulate our currencies and tax people to death. If you give a drug dealer money, you support the drug trade, if you give an oppressive dictatorial oligarchy money, you support oppression. It's really not complicated.

Re:You like thought terminating cliche's dont you? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35973044)

Yet, the interesting thing here is that giving them this work, they will likely end up like Japan with rights and high wages in twenty years. If you didn't gave them the work, maybe they would still not get enough to eat?

Re:You like thought terminating cliche's dont you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972568)

Go visit China one day. You'll find it's not full of 1bn homeless people.

At least not since they filled up the 3 Gorges Dam.

Re:You like thought terminating cliche's dont you? (2)

dsmithhfx (1772254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972850)

Here's the thing: Apple products aren't cheap, are they? Now... where does that >$60-billion mountain of cash Apple is sitting on come from? Hmm? Care to hazard a guess?

Re:The Worst Strawman Of all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972242)

Yup - those damn niggers should be glad they have any job that pays to get food on their table. And thank us for providing them the opportunity to have it.

Oh, sorry, wrong century. In this one, it's still okay, so long as niggers - I mean, Chinese - stay in their countries. Good riddance, too - no eyesore, and job still gets done for scraps - win-win!

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (4, Interesting)

thej1nx (763573) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971834)

Well time for western companies to decide whether the savings from lower cost of production in China is worth the inevitable loss of IP that goes along as a cost of working with Chinese companies. And forget about any hopes of getting china to amend the laws. With the Chinese government actually framing laws that force you to give away your technology secrets to your local Chinese partner, IP theft is pretty much the national party apparently.

It may be far better for the governments to put more state funding into finding rare earth alternatives to break the Chinese monopoly on manufacturing/production. Cheap labour can be had even from India and other countries, where at least government is not itself on the IP theft scam.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972118)

Well time for western companies to decide whether the savings from lower cost of production in China is worth the inevitable loss of IP that goes along as a cost of working with Chinese companies.

This is an excellent point.

For manufacturing this is not too bad a problem as long as you stay a step ahead and build up partnerships you trust.

However where your point really fits in is software. I cannot believe how many companies are handing over whole working systems to places in China, India, and elsewhere. They are handing over the systems and processes used to run huge companies oriented to a specific task, how can they imagine these systems will not be leaked and companies formed in those countries that will eventually compete with them? And with inside knowledge of exactly what they are weak at doing!

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972268)

Nice elitest attitude. In effect, what you've said is, "It's alright to ship away laborer's jobs, and give them to Chinese who work cheaply. But, I can't believe that our companies are giving away the stuff that us intellectual snobs have slaved over! It's unfair, I tell you!"

You, who have no compassion for the average working Joe on the street, deserve to lose your precious Intellectual Property. I'll dance with glee when the day comes that you can't make a mortgage payment, and the bank decides to make you homeless.

"Intellectual property" my ass.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972386)

Did you even read what they wrote before this crazed rant? They implied that it was NOT right to be shipping away laborer's jobs; that to do so posed a risk to IP. 'Deserving' to lose IP is ridiculous, in any circumstance.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972678)

Except in the sense one who rejects the concept of "IP" would say that everyone deserves to lose it...

(That position, while far from universally accepted even on /., is not "ridiculous" by any means.)

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972464)

Apple has a looooong history of being a very leaky company. Doing business in China hasn't changed that in the slightest.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971638)

But, but, other companies use Foxconn! Go call them out instead of Apple!

Oh, how I wish I was being a smarmy ass instead of merely, accurately repeating the nonsense I've heard out of the mouths of apologists on this issue.

other companies don't use Gandhi as advertising (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971682)

if michael dell ever starts telling me that he is a champion of human rights, then i will gather up a bunch of Austin homeless people and go protest in front of their call center.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971654)

STFU

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971846)

so?

bullied is when you get picked on for being fat (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971948)

This guy failed to do his job. Doing your job is a condition of being paid. Don't like the restrictions? Quit.

Re:bullied is when you get picked on for being fat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35973180)

so the ipad2 was 33% thinner, and a short while later so was steve jobs!

now the iphone is available in white...

does that mean that the crown prince of polished aluminum and selling crap to idiots will soon be sporting his own (death) pallor!

Those that like computers and enjoy freedom can hardly wait!

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (5, Insightful)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971968)

its all fucking PR, bullshit, and lies. do not fucking drink the fucking koolaid.

you are a free human being, and you have natural rights. one of them is to talk. another is to be free from inane prosecutions by incompetent bureaucrats and clueless officials. by drumming this idea into your head that 'leaking' is a 'crime', they are trying to destroy free speech by brainwashing you into thinking it doesnt really exist. it does exist. its as free as the air and as free as the mind god gave you.

So, what is your solution for Apple's dilemma? They're trying to release their product, and not be ripped to pieces by cheap chinese knockoffs from companies who never had to eat the costs of design and R&D. Should the government subsidise them for their losses? Should they just refrain from releasing hardware in the future? Should we allow people to voluntarily enter into contracts to not talk about certain aspects of their working life? Without some actual solution to the problems that arose to present this situation, you might as well argue that time travel is a moral imperitive; you may make a pursuasive argument, but the argument itself will produce no positive change, and the argument is practically worthless.

Also, on a more personal note, I find arguments like this leave a very unpleasant taste in my mouth. It seems that the source of pursuasion comes not from demonstration that your position is right (or that their position is wrong), but from making people feel uncomfortable for believing the opposing side. If I believe that leaking private secrets is immoral, you are trying to implant the idea that this is because I have been brainwashed by companies, thus making me feel stupid or used for that belief, instead of convincing me that the belief is wrong. Who knows? Perhaps this idea that companies are implanting in our minds is 100% correct? Nothing in your argument addresses this, rather it preys off the ad hominem fallacy: that if someone as bad as corporations want us to believe it to be true, then it must be false.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972172)

...ripped to pieces by cheap chinese knockoffs...

Sorry for being off topic here; wouldn't Apple's core customers buy only Apple products, regardless of what knock-off was available?

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972666)

True. Apple's strength is in the branding. Their business isn't that different from, for example, a fashion house. People will buy $200 branded trainers even though the $30 unbranded ones are just as good. The only way an apple knockoff will compete with apple is if it's an outright counterfeit, right down to the Apple logo.

The $30 trainers in this case would be Android devices - just as good, and a whole lot cheaper.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972418)

You may not like his kind of argument, as I do not either, but I suspect we will have to come to grips with it anyway. No, there is no accounting for a "right" or a "wrong" in any framework commonly used today, and so the most important thing to address is indeed "solving Apple's dilemma" when presented in this way.

I know one thing, though -- as a Westerner, it's as easy as can be for whatever's occurring in those factories to continue to occur, and for me to never think about it. Our attention and priorities themselves can be fallacies, because the failure of human judgment is known to happen again and again in this world.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972898)

I was not prioritising Apple over anybody or anything, rather I was pointing out that Apple's position had absolutely no priority whatsoever in the OP's argument. In fact, it's not so much the fact that it's Apple's problem, rather it is the problem (whosever it is) that lead to the way things are now (specifically, regarding "leaks" and their being illegal/wrong/whatever). Nothing can change if we ignore the source of the problem. Perhaps the solution is, as I suggested, for Apple (or anyone else) not to release hardware in general? Perhaps that is the solution that is, all things considered, the least of all evils? I don't know, but I'm damn sure that nothing will get done with completely nonconstructive criticism.

As for the factories, they don't really enter into my point at all. They don't enter into my argument, nor in the specific point of the argument to which I was responding. I'm not ignoring them, I'm not making a statement that they are more or less important than anything in particular, and I'm certainly not saying the OP was wrong about them. In fact, I would say the OP made a compelling case that these factories are morally bad (partially because he actually demonstrated they were bad, not just that the people who believe they aren't bad are morally bad). I didn't mention them for the same reason you don't mention them when discussing what to cook for dinner: because the factories aren't relevant to the particular point you're trying to get across.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35973256)

It seems to me that the whole "torturing people over the designs of completely useless consumer products" is the demonstration that he's right. 100% correct? Giving out information is worse than torturing people?

I don't know why parent got modded so high.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35973270)

It seems that the source of pursuasion comes not from demonstration that your position is right (or that their position is wrong), but from making people feel uncomfortable for believing the opposing side.

He's more so appealing to the "Wake up sheeple!!" argument. It's pretty common, and based on the idea that everyone is blindly accepting the propaganda of $THE_RULING_CLASSES which is necessary to maintain the unequal status quo.

Now I personally don't believe in this idea, but not because I don't think there's a status quo, but because I don't believe that a propaganda campaign is necessary to maintain that status quo. Rather the unequal and often unjust status quo is autonomically maintained by societies as a function of their existing cultures, institutions, and belief systems. There is some "propaganda" supporting ideological beliefs, but overall people and societies tend to have a lot of inertia in the way that they think.

As an example, let's return to TFA. We have this latest iDink consumer gadget being made by those wonderful slave drivers at Foxconn, and when it looks like the plans might have been leaked, there's an investigation. However, when we have actual leaks of abuse, exploitation, and criminal conditions at Foxconn during the manufacturer of the iDink, no-one notices. If they do notice, the usually don't care. If they care, they usually come up with some rationalisation about globalisation and the invisible pink market for cyan iDinks or some such drivel. It suffices to say, neither Foxconn, Apple or Taiwan are likely to investigate the latter concern before they do the former.

There's no real propaganda here (Leaving aside Cult of Mac, which is a singular case). Society simply has not structured itself in such a way as to deal with these matters in a way that most agree would be appropriate. Instead, it runs on autopilot though the clouds of history. It typically takes a revolution--industrial, social or actual--to force societies to really change the way they operate on just about every level.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972104)

If you don't like the conditions of China, then don't buy any products made in China. For the Chinese economy which is used by the likes of Apple, IBM, HP, Dell, Sony, Toshiba ..... are all based on Chinese factories.

And good luck with that. The switch your internet connection is based on was made in China so by posting to Slashdot, you're just as complicit in all of China's crimes that you're blaming on Apple. Accessory to murder if you will.

OR, you could simply realize that the Chinese people, without making shit for the West, would be worse off than they are making shit for you.

I just suspect that you're a racist bastard and hate the Chinese people and want them 3rd world poor and slaves rather than 2nd world poor and slaves.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972170)

you are a free human being, and you have natural rights. one of them is to talk. another is to be free from inane prosecutions by incompetent bureaucrats and clueless officials. by drumming this idea into your head that 'leaking' is a 'crime', they are trying to destroy free speech by brainwashing you into thinking it doesnt really exist. it does exist. its as free as the air and as free as the mind god gave you.

Cool, im going to ask your bank for all of your financial details and passwords, they have the natural right to talk and be free from inane prosecutions, leaking this information to me isn't a crime so there is no reason for them not to do it, it's free speech.

p.s. you're a fucking retard

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972772)

Let's not also forget the complete inane bullshit of the story.

It allowed accessory makers to make protective cases.

The police are involved because some guy said, "Shsssshshshshshhshshshhshhsh! come over here.... give me 10$ and I will tell you the new iPad2 is x.y.z dimensions and here is where you cut the holes."

Seriously? The physical dimensions and possibly the locations of the some fucking buttons and inputs is the lowest stupidest level of corporate espionage I have ever heard and stretches the definition thinner than a penny stretched from here to the Moon.

It's like involving the police because little Sally told everyone else on the playground that it was Bobby that farted.

It would be a different story if he gave away information that was actually trade secret, but we aren't talking about the Colonel's secret fucking spices are we?

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35973086)

mac fanboys who try to minimize what Steve Jobs and Foxconn are complicit in - Dickensian working conditions in a repressive police state.

Yes, it's those filthy mac fanbois and that evil hobgoblin Steve Jobs who are perpetrating this! Unlike all those other manufacturers of electronic goods, who are well known for paying a living wage and making the goods in countries like the US, Canada, and -- oh, wait...

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35973162)

No, they get stuff manufactured in China too. But they don't have a very vocal group of fanboys trying to silence anyone who tells people this.

Re:remember the guy who was tortured & went su (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35973298)

So you're saying it's ok to spend your money with "the evil Chinese" and support man's inhumanity to man, just so long as you publicly acknowledge it? Weird...

IRL I rarely (if ever) see this "mac fanboi" you haters are always bitching about. Also, because I'm not much on bandwagons and try to be fair I've often been accused of being a "mac fanboi" myself which tells me a lot of the applehate crowd are pretty much a bunch of morons bent on conducting an applehate fest -- IOW just a bunch of stupid, senseless trolls. I'm not at all a lover of Apple and their policies, but consider them a valid choice for non-geeks. It's called being a realist.

Those of you who use the same planet earth tech manufactured in China but try to scapegoat buyers of Apple products as somehow being worse are a bunch of disgusting hypocrites.

In other news... (2)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971562)

...three new financiers will be receiving heart transplants [google.com] !

that van may need to chgnge for that to work (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971618)

that van may need to change for that to work
Organ donations must be performed in hospitals and executions are held in prisons. The three-drug cocktail used in lethal injection may render organs unsuitable for transplant. And, with high rates of diseases such as HIV and hepatitis C, jail and prison inmates are considered high-risk donors by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and subject to even stricter testing and lifestyle scrutiny than typical organ donors.

http://donatelife-organdonation.blogspot.com/2011/04/killers-quest-allow-organ-donation.html [blogspot.com]

Re:that van may need to chgnge for that to work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971746)

... Except that the vans are not used in the US, but in China.

Re:that van may need to chgnge for that to work (1)

Lloyd_Bryant (73136) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971776)

Sorry, but that quote doesn't seem right.

First off, that van is explicitly designed for this purpose. So it's assumed it has the necessary medical equipment to perform the organ harvesting. In TFA, it explictly states that one of the reasons for the vans is so they don't *have* to have specialized medical facilities in the prisons.

Second, all the drugs used have regular medical uses, and have hopefully been subject to reasonable testing. I'd be really surprised if the doctor(s) who planned for these vans would have failed to consider possible organ damage from the drugs.

Finally, the prevalence of HIV and Hepatitis is quite true in US prisons, but not necessarily in other countries.

Re:that van may need to chgnge for that to work (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972178)

China is not using the US 3-drug cocktail which will damage heart and other organs. It uses barbiturates which kill the prisoner as fast as the 3-drug and leave the organs nicely suited for harvesting. Further to this, it is a "clean brain death" so you can put the living vegetable on a ventilator for transport purposes if you want to. The only damaged organ may be liver and even that will happen if the vegetable is kept alive too long. If the liver is collected right away it will be in OK shape for transplant as well.

As far as HIV, HEP C, etc these are all tested in advance as well as the exact tissue matching.

In any case, my thoughts on the article are slightly different: "Only three? In China? You gotta be kidding"

Well... (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971594)

I think that we now know where Steve's next donor organ will be coming from...

Re:Well... (2, Funny)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971742)

Nuh-uh! Steve only takes designer organs. Most people in prison aren't designers, so their organs wouldn't look good inside a black turtleneck.

Re:Well... (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972266)

Nuh-uh! Steve only takes designer organs. Most people in prison aren't designers, so their organs wouldn't look good inside a black turtleneck.

Unlike iPhone 4 hipsters, I'm not sure Steve will be able to wait six months till they come in white.

Seems to be a modern trend towards leaks. (1)

GrpA (691294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971632)

I don't think the current spate of leaks, both government and corporate, are co-incidental. It seems to reflect a wider growing community attitude that there are no secrets anymore.

The recent manifestation of hacker-sub-culture into the mainstream seems to promote ideas such as "information wants to be free" and provided recognition and kudos for having been the leak.

Based on this, I think that business and government alike will have to find new ways to work in an environment in which their own employees are their biggest threat. Keeping the IP pool secure is going to be far more difficult in future when not only are those swimming in it poking holes in the side, they are getting positive public recognition for their efforts in many cases.

GrpA

Re:Seems to be a modern trend towards leaks. (0)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971702)

Keeping the IP pool secure is going to be far more difficult in future when not only are those swimming in it poking holes in the side, they are getting positive public recognition for their efforts in many cases.

"Positive public recognition"? You think that's what the Chinese police have been giving these three since December 26?

Re:Seems to be a modern trend towards leaks. (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971734)

I'm not sure that the basement of the police station is "public"; but I suspect that at least one of the electrodes clipped to their genitalia is, in fact, positive...

or govt+corps are criminalizing ordinary behavior (2)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971714)

maybe leaks are occuring at the same rate they always have.

maybe what has changed is that government and corporations are trying to criminalize more behavior.

evidence: Obama has prosecuted more non-spy 'espionage' cases than the last dozen or so presidents put together.

Obama: Drake, Kim, Sterling, Leibowitz, and Manning

BushII: Ford, Franklin, Rosen, Weissman

Clinton: Lee

Bush I: none???

Reagan: Morison

Carter: none???

Ford: none?

Nixon: Russo / Ellsberg (Pentagon Papers) ...

I'm not as knowledgable about corporations. Im sure someone can fill us in. From DvdJon to George Hotz

turning against your own people (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971728)

thats the first step a dictatorship takes IIRC. viewing not foreigners as the enemy, but its own internal population.

Re:Seems to be a modern trend towards leaks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971798)

"Keeping the IP pool secure is going to be far more difficult in future when not only are those swimming in it poking holes in the side, they are getting positive public recognition for their efforts in many cases."

Probably more a simple matter of expecting sweatshop workers to keep million dollar secrets. Take a $10,000 bribe, or hang onto your $3000/yr job?

Re:Seems to be a modern trend towards leaks. (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972680)

$3000/yr? Sweatshop workers can dream. I don't know what the rates are in technology, but in clothing manufacture I know from a scandal back in 2008 that they'll pay roughly 60p a day, or a little over $200/yr assuming no holidays. There is a reason Chinese-made products are so cheap. I could bribe one of them with my pocket change.

Re:Seems to be a modern trend towards leaks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971994)

Jesus, go drink some coffee. What is wrong with you?

"Charged?" (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971726)

As in a criminal prosecution?

Re:"Charged?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971908)

Of course, because leaking something that looks almost exactly like the previous model is a federal crime and the death penalty can be carried if it's extreme enough, and it is.

But did they do it? (2)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971730)

China has a history of putting people on the block for pissing off foreigners. They'll give the death sentence to corporation heads or government officials who are involved with safety issues (tainted milk, tainted toys) for doing what everyone else is doing. So, did they actually find the three people responsible? Did they force or coerce confessions for the purpose of demonstrating that they always get their man in order to keep Apple happy?

Not that I'm sure they didn't get the right people, but the story had no details, and there's been nothing showing any details, which is how they would handle it if they didn't know who did what, but wanted to serve up some patsies.

Re:But did they do it? (2)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971816)

They'll give the death sentence to corporation heads or government officials who are involved with safety issues (tainted milk, tainted toys) for doing what everyone else is doing.

That's actually a good thing. When did accountability become a dirty word?

Re:But did they do it? (1)

jfengel (409917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971848)

When did accountability become a dirty word?

When "accountability" means throwing a few patsies under the bus (in a nearly literal fashion) to cover up a culture of corruption. In many of these cases, the crime is getting caught, for which the punishment is harsh, but the government will know and ignore of the criminal activity until foreign media forces them to acknowledge it by inducing fear of Chinese goods.

Ratcheting up the severity of the punishment isn't intended as a deterrent. It's intended as a sop to foreign media. Those who haven't been caught know that they're risking their lives, but the profits are great and the risks are low, since the only people to catch them at it are at the far end of the supply chain.

Re:But did they do it? (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971986)

Patsies? A CEO or a regional director of some government agency isn't a patsy.

Re:But did they do it? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972328)

Accountability for what? The bribery/corruption charges which carry a death penalty that everyone in China is guilty of? Or for actual unethical actions, which are rampant and also ignored until someone very important complains.

There isn't real accountability. There is random and capricious accountability. And they go after the people with the least political capital who will satisfy those seeking vengeance, rather than those most directly involved. But if you count that as "accountability" and assert that I'm against accountability because I'm complaining about their system not actually targeting those who caused the troubles, then yes, I'm against "accountability."

Re:But did they do it? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972410)

There's a difference between tokenism and policy. We wouldn't have such a dearth of Chinese knockoffs and lead-based toys if what you said were true. And, those tainted products? China doesn't bury them in a hole or recycle them. They just ship them off to a nation that won't care.

Is it a pay issue? (1)

unreadepitaph (1537383) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971780)

Makes me wonder how little they're getting paid or how horrible their working conditions are that every new apple product seems to get leaked. Not to mention all those suicides a while back.

Re:Is it a pay issue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971890)

heres a clue, maybe Apple products are the biggest buzz in the entire world for setting the fucking standard, and everyone wants a piece of that gold mine.

If I had just made a few thousand ipad2's and some dude offered me a few months wage for some details, a pathetic amount of time away from "treated like Jesus" approved launch, you think I would give a shit about some distant party company that occasionally emails a design change?

Besides

Working conditions? I just spent a significant portion of the day running cable through a active paint booth with no equipment, and have less money at the end of the month than these people piss off on booze, I am sorry they look tired and have some work stress, I wish thats all I had to bitch about, fuck I didn't even get time off for my grandmothers death, these twats get bonuses and iphones, I have a shitty samgsung with no camera.

Clearly, Apple forgot to add wings... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971802)

to prevent the iPad 2 from leaking.

The iPad 2 (1)

Nukedoom (1776114) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971942)

More important than human rights abuses.

[TWINKLE, TWINKLE, SHING]

Re:The iPad 2 (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972100)

Well we've decided to overlook America's human rights abuses just this once.

Re:The iPad 2 (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972756)

America does indeed have some human rights issues. But it's abuses pale to insignificence beside those of China, or quite a number of other countries.

Only Apple would have a cow over this. (3, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#35971950)

That's so Apple. A case designer needs some basic info about the outside dimensions, like height, width, thickness, and corner radius. Maybe a bit of info about areas that need to to be uncovered for connector or button access. Only Apple would consider those to be significant trade secrets. Especially since this is Model #2 of the product, which is probably going to be a lot like Model #1.

Re:Only Apple would have a cow over this. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972080)

Hmm. Where did you read in the entire story that Apple had anything to do with it? At most they may have told Foxconn that there were leaked designs but I didn't read anywhere in the story that they were involved. Also did you read the part where the covers went on sale before the iPad2 was introduced. Normally if Apple was working with a case designer they do provide the specifics but they also request that the case designer not sell their case before the product itself is unveiled. If you were one of the companies that followed the rules, would you get pissed that some other company encouraged trade secret violation and got ahead. Additionally I don't know about Chinese laws, but the US had laws against such violations too.

Re:Only Apple would have a cow over this. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972354)

you could've made the covers and start the sales just by guesswork, and they would have matched well enough. or by leaked pics from internet. or by just taking the guesswork from analysts.

if you were one of the companies that thought that apple would give them free launch day cash.. well pfew, how about inventing some business model that doesn't depend on crap like that, you know, artificial limitations on who can sell a piece of cloth/leather. that they were on sale before ipad2 was launched doesn't matter at all, really, since plenty of cases go on sale before launches - some of them happen to be right guesses and some happen to be not - this time they got it right, apparently(there's no mention of if the cases were even correct? just that some guys, who probably had not given any work contribution before this, working in security issues, had seen it on sale). you see, they had no guarantees from apple that the case would be like it is, or that the product would be launched at all. and producing things in mass by human pesants by hand in advance is no way to keep a secret anyways. they took a risk in producing it in the first place.

you know, you can make strategy guides to games before they're out, too, and there's nothing a publisher can do to stop it. if they're really crappy games then even years before the game manages to launch, haha.

and local police. meh. there isn't a chance it's going to be fair. they got too much riding on working in police in foxconn city.

Re:Only Apple would have a cow over this. (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972378)

You clearly haven't dealt with Apple or contract manufacturers. At least at my company, we regularly joke that Apple's secrecy policies are similar to those of the Kremlin. Meanwhile, contractors in China or Taiwan will do the minimum to get paid. You need to send someone over at least once a quarter to let them know you mean business, otherwise they figure you aren't paying attention and start slacking off. You can always see when we visit their factories by looking for the spikes on the yield charts, followed by a steady roll-off until the next visit.

You can be reasonably confident that Foxconn didn't care until Apple noticed and started making a fuss.

For what it's worth, I don't mean to deride either group. Apple has every right to protect their IP... if physical dimensions were given out, who knows what else was? And cheap Asian contractors aren't the only ones who slack off. There are plenty of companies right here in the USA who will do the same -- it's just easier to keep an eye on them.

Re:Only Apple would have a cow over this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972256)

Even if Apple did have something to do with this, what is your point? Apple is renowned for its commitment to secrecy. If a designer's livelihood is based on Apple's secret products, they should attempt to get an agreement with Apple that would provide specs prior to release. If such an agreement cannot be arranged, the designer should find a new line of work.

Everybody knows what the playing field looks like. I don't have any sympathy for people who undertake a difficult/risky endeavor only to complain about the difficulty and risk.

Happy now Steve Jobs? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35971952)

You KILLED three people. Some kind of sick DESIGNER DEATH. Do you HATE Chinese, Steve Jobs? Why do you KILL Chinese?

Nationality of workers? (1)

readin (838620) | more than 3 years ago | (#35972090)

TFA didn't say whether the charged employees were local Chinese or foreign Taiwanese. If they were Taiwanese I wonder how this will be handled.

Re:Nationality of workers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35973166)

And if they are not Taiwanese, you don't give a shit?

Oh boy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35972470)

The upcoming headline will be "Former Foxconn Employees who leaked iPad 2 details commit suicide".

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