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Sony Online Entertainment Services Follow PSN Down

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the everything-is-totally-fine dept.

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nam37 writes "Sony Online Entertainment's various services seem to be down and a message on the official site does not give much information on the particulars. According to a short post on the site, the services were taken down after an investigation revealed a deeper 'intrusion' than expected at first. This is the first we have heard that Sony's MMORPG arm had some sort of security breach. This could be part of Sony's plans to beef up security for the PlayStation Network, but this message seems to indicate that something more serious going on."

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184 comments

gg (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000188)

Time to throw in the towel Sony. Epic fail.

portal robot did it (0)

MichaelKristopeit414 (2018850) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000208)

slashdot = stagnated

Re:portal robot did it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000426)

Fuck off then.......

Re:portal robot did it (0)

MichaelKristopeit414 (2018850) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000852)

you're an ignorant hypocrite.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:portal robot did it (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001050)

Moar troll plz.

Re:portal robot did it (0)

MichaelKristopeit415 (2018852) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001224)

ur mum's face is troll.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:portal robot did it (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002108)

Troll moar plz.

Re:portal robot did it (1)

MichaelKristopeit416 (2018860) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002308)

your hypocritical ignorance continues.

cower some more in my shadow behind your fantasy based pseudonym, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:portal robot did it (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002344)

Mmm mmm, that's some bad troll.

Re:portal robot did it (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001946)

Words of wisdom: DNFTFT.
Thnx :P

Re:portal robot did it (1)

MichaelKristopeit417 (2018862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002334)

you're an ignorant hypocrite.

Re:portal robot did it (2)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000918)

If this is the quality of trolls we get, yeah, I'd say it's stagnated...

Re:portal robot did it (0)

MichaelKristopeit415 (2018852) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001022)

so you aren't saying that? you aren't saying anything?

you're an ignorant hypocrite.

cower in my shadow some more behind your chosen role playing based pseudonym, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (2)

jarden_from_cerberus (1195981) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000238)

Sony really needs to get better at communicating with their users and the press about these issues. Leaving everyone in the dark just fuels speculation and makes for infuriated consumers. Just give us a high-level explanation of what is happening and a reasonable estimate of how long it will take to fix, please, and stop jerking us around.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (3)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000360)

from the sounds of it they don't have a high level explanation to give. There may be cultural things about not explaining how exactly you fucked up that go with it too, but given that we're seeing this quite a bit later than the initial breach it seems like they may still be figuring out just how bad things are.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000398)

I do think there's some sort of disconnect, perhaps cultural. Sony has done a great deal to incur the wrath of an awful lot of geeky people, and their failure to understand that aspect of the market may be their downfall.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000568)

Sony has done a great deal to incur the wrath of an awful lot of geeky people, and their failure to understand that aspect of the market may be their downfall.

I certainly hope so, but it seems to have done them very little harm so far. The CD rootkits got a lot of internet ranting, but didn't actually seem to impact sales in any appreciable manner. Hotz talked about forcing them to fight in court, but he caved when he realised just how unpleasant they could make his life (an issue of the legal system, certainly, but that's a separate matter). The disappearance of OtherOS hasn't actually led to any successful claims against Sony that I know of. The list goes on...

Maybe this'll be the straw that broke the camel's back, I suppose - even if all those other things didn't really damage them, it's not like there's any goodwill left either. Although personal data leaks tend to generate a bit of hot air in the mass media, they rarely deal a critical blow to the company in question; cutting off millions people's entertainment, on the other hand, is likely to provoke a reaction much stronger than they're used to dealing with.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000950)

Yeah, I've ranted about Sony before with great vigor but have still purchased several Sony products after swearing to stay away. And they actually ripped me off directly so I've got reason to dislike them. "Oh, if that was an out-of-warranty repair, it would cost $$$ but, since you broke it, the repair will cost $$$+50." Because, every once in a while, they produce the exact product that I want which outshines the competition in some way. I've got my Sony ebook reader (because it was more open than the Kindle which was the only competition at the time), I've got my Sony dye-sublimation photo printer, I've got my Sony cell phone (no longer in use for several years but it rocked at the time), I've got my Sony pocket digital camera. All purchased after swearing I'd never purchase another Sony product. There are probably several other purchases I can't remember right now.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001440)

I feel ya. I am REALLY pissed at Sony about the events of the last few years, but i LOVE my playstation 3. Hardware wise its the best console hands down, no question. It has the same charms that made me love my Walkman and Discman and my 32" Sony Trinitron. (which was a beast for its time). I HATE the things that Sony does, but they can at times make sublime hardware.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001534)

Yeah, I've ranted about Sony before with great vigor but have still purchased several Sony products after swearing to stay away. Because, every once in a while, they produce the exact product that I want which outshines the competition in some way.

Every once in a while, Sony makes something that I want, but I want not to be screwed by Sony more. If they ever make anything I need, and a competitor makes something that pales in comparison, bt works the way I need with a little fiddling, then I'll buy the lesser product. If the item is unique to Sony and I merely want it, then I'll do without.

Re:Wanted: Executive Seppuku (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000448)

Hirai or some other high ranking executive, footage be posted to Failblog and Youtube, then we reconsider, thank you.

Re:Wanted: New Media/Customer Relations Dept (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000498)

Just give us a high-level explanation of what is happening and a reasonable estimate of how long it will take to fix, please, and stop jerking us around.

This is Sony. You may be waiting a while on that bit.

It was the Sony DRM! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000246)

Someone tried to play a Sony music CD in one of their Windows servers during a maintenance window, and the SBRK (Sony-blessed rootkit) decided it had found some pirate MP3...

Re:It was the Sony DRM! (3, Funny)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000526)

Now that would be funny. What would be funnier would be if they actually used the same master key for PSN and Sony Online that was in the PS3.

Re:It was the Sony DRM! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001502)

What would be even funnier is if a hundred people hadn't beaten you to the "Sony hadz rootkitz" joke over the last week.

Re:It was the Sony DRM! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001180)

I feel bad for the people who will suffer identity theft because of these intrusions, but at the same time seeing those root-kitting bastards at Sony cornholed in this fashion is deeply satisfying to me. I hope their reputation never recovers.

Re:It was the Sony DRM! (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001592)

No need for the "found mp3" scenario. IIRC, the Sony rootkit opened up remote exploits. Listening to a Sony CD on a windows server (without autoplay turned off!?) would be asking for trouble. I wish it were true though; it sounds so poetic.

Bury that thing in concrete (4, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000260)

Bury that thing in concrete, push it into the ocean, or inject seawater.
Every day, they admit its getting a little bit worse. Just a teenie tiny little itty bitty bit worse.
It might take months, years, maybe, but we'll finally learn its a complete utter disaster.
They are doing a good job of keeping themselves in the news by releasing a little bad news each day. No such thing as bad publicity, I guess.
Oh wait, were we talking about Sony or the reactors here?

Re:Bury that thing in concrete (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000400)

Every day, they admit its getting a little bit worse. Just a teenie tiny little itty bitty bit worse.
Oh wait, were we talking about Sony or the reactors here?

Talking about the Sony nuclear reactors, of course. Built like the Titanic, they are the pride of Sony.

Re:Bury that thing in concrete (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001400)

Sony of course, radioactive material at least gets LESS harmful over time.

Re:Bury that thing in concrete (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001958)

To long term investors, Sony is more radioactive than TEPCO..

Sony is down 92% since 2000.
TEPCO is down 85% since 2000.

Nothing was 'stolen' (2)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000276)

They sold the info and covered it up with this 'break in' ruse to avoid possible criminal charges..

Re:Nothing was 'stolen' (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001196)

That's not going to stop criminal charges once it's revealed their security was so lackluster AND the fact they violated PCI-DSS and multiple Data Protection Laws in multiple countries.

Sony email (4, Interesting)

symes (835608) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000308)

I received an email yesterday evening from Sony (presumably) to say that all the info I had given them might have been accessed. Funny thing is, although I have a PS3 I've never signed up to PSN, and would certainly not have provided the email address that I received the email on. I have, however, given sony my details when registering Sony products, warranties and so on. So I'm thinking that either that email from Sony was a scam, but there was no real scam element to it, or there is something a lot more serious going on. Maybe I'm paranoid.

Re:Sony email (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000352)

One thing is for damn sure, you're an idiot.

The roots run deep (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000752)

I purchased a computer back in the day, Pentium 75. Did the 100 free AOL hours, having never given AOL my credit card for the trial.
All of a sudden, the charges are showing up on my card.
CompUSA gave AOL the card number that I used to purchase the machine.
Apparently they are "partners" and I gave permission to share that information.

Re:Sony email (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001670)

Or maybe you're mistaken. It does happen, y'know.

Might want to beef up security (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000328)

We can find the password and take it out, but it might help to beef up security.
Oh. Beef up, huh?
How about screwed up?
We did all that and he broke in again.
  - Wargames

So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000356)

That will really piss off dozens of people, you know.

Re:So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000382)

I'm sure all five Vanguard players are furious too. Boycott!!!

Re:So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000430)

Hey, there are at least seven of us left!

Re:So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (1)

fallen1 (230220) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000774)

Hey, maybe during the downtime someone will pull an old backup and put Star Wars Galaxies back to pre-CU status! I'd actually play the game again, then.

Yes, yes, I know - it needed some work back then. It did not need the Combat Upgrade and New Game Enhancement that was, basically, tossed to the masses and then SOE tells everyone "Deal with it."

Re:So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000878)

Hey, maybe during the downtime someone will pull an old backup and put Star Wars Galaxies back to pre-CU status! I'd actually play the game again, then.

Yes, yes, I know - it needed some work back then. It did not need the Combat Upgrade and New Game Enhancement that was, basically, tossed to the masses and then SOE tells everyone "Deal with it."

Don't tease me you techno-harlot

Re:So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (2)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001184)

I think SOE did enough damage to the people who played SWG without also losing their credit cards 5 years later

Re:So, no Star Wars Galaxies?? (1)

St.Creed (853824) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002198)

The creditcards are just the icing on the cake :P

Vigilante Justice (4, Interesting)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000376)

I'm sure no one believes that this is not an example of vigilante justice being played out against Sony. This is deeply concerning.

As police, lawmakers, judges, and governments become more and more puppets of corporate interests at the expense of the rights of citizens, I fear that vigilante justice will be the only avenue through which to seek justice. The basis of a working society is a working justice system. If citizens can not find justice officially, then they will find it unofficially.

I am reminded of a quote from "Young Frankenstein" "A riot is an ugly thing, and I think it is just about time we had one."

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000466)

How is fucking over tens of millions of people "justice"? If anything, it'll only get their backs up and give more support to companies like Sony going after those purporting to be speaking for the "common man".

Re:Vigilante Justice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000532)

If you are a Sony customer, you are an enemy. There's no excuse for having a PSN account. If you have credit card information on PSN, that means you've been supporting Sony AFTER the rootkit.

Which means you're an idiot and an enemy of freedom.

So, yes, it's justified.

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000696)

What right have you to make such claims? By taking away the choice to be "an idiot," you're just as much an enemy of freedom.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

Bengie (1121981) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001544)

Willful ignorance is a disease. The problem with this disease is it is only removed via education, which is controlled mostly by the government.

Ignorant masses can be controlled and used like a weapon. Being controlled by ignorance is not freedom as they are being controlled, which is the opposite of freedom. Idiots have no freedom, they just don't realize it. Didn't you hear? Ignorance is bliss.

Personally, I would rather see a revolution in education than a revolution in the streets. It's much safer and more effective.

Re:Vigilante Justice (3, Interesting)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000664)

I think you might want to reexamine the history of high-profile robberies. People like Bonnie and Clyde or D. B. Cooper are romanticized, aggrandized, and sometimes in some circles elevated even to folk heroes. So long as it doesn't personally affect them, people frequently think that daring acts, even crimes, are admirable. Human nature can take some interesting twists.

Re:Vigilante Justice (2)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000916)

"So long as it doesn't personally affect them"

Key words here.

A few people have already reported unauthorized credit card usage following the PS3 break-in.
No word on anything widespread yet, but it's more likely going to lead to a rash of cases of identity theft.
So yes, this will effect people personally.

However, I don't think this will make people cling harder to corporate interests, rather I think it will make them more suspicious and less trusting of corporations and web services in general. Just look at old people who lost their life savings when their bank went tits up during the Great Depression. Many still prefer to put their money under a mattress than entrust their money to a bank.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000668)

How is fucking over tens of millions of people "justice"? If anything, it'll only get their backs up and give more support to companies like Sony going after those purporting to be speaking for the "common man".

Collateral damage.

How many innocent lives were lost in the quest for Osama Bin Laden? Sadam? Al Capone?

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000892)

The Easter Bunny, the first Egg...

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001106)

Anyone with half a brain knows that the Common Man is stupid and ungrateful for the help.

Vigilante Justice should be for the UNcommon man worth fighting for.

Re:Vigilante Justice (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000474)

I do not believe that this is an example of vigilante justice. I believe that it may be an example of vigilante justice. However, simple criminal greed would also explain what happened here. It is possible that some criminal hacker targeted Sony because they thought there was a particluar weakness in Sony's security that they could take advantage of and, that of the likely targets, Sony was the one most likely to yeild a large amount of profitable information. Of course, it could also be someone who targeted Sony because of Sony's various transgressions and figured that anyone who did business with Sony deserved to be ripped off. At this point, there is insufficient evidence to reach a conclusion.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000652)

I don't think it is merely "criminal greed," If it were simply greed, they would not have brought down the system. A "thief" would not want to leave any indication that they were ever there. A person who steals for greed or need seldom goes out of their way to damage. A person who defaces things will also steal, but the motivation isn't merely greed, there is retribution involved.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000996)

Sony claims that THEY took down the system after they discovered the breach, presumably to mitigate the damages. Assuming this is true, it makes criminal greed infinitely more believable than mob justice.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001090)

Sony claims that THEY took down the system after they discovered the breach

This is something I find funny. I've worked on a number of high scale systems and have yet to see one that truly has the ability to track access violations. We have one of two possibilities to consider: (1) Sony has a system that can detect and report a data breach, yet, is taking them weeks to fix or (2) Sony is lying to save face.

Ummm, I know which scenario is most likely.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002166)

Or (3) Sony DOESN'T have a system that can "detect and report a data breach", and simply stumbled upon it, or noticed it AFTER it started having large, hard-to-miss effects.

If Sony DID have such a system, they wouldn't be so clueless about how far the breach actually goes, like is being shown here.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

St.Creed (853824) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002232)

Credit card companies have LOTS of systems to track violations. My bet would be that one of those companies warned Sony and then panic ensued.

Re:Vigilante Justice (2)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001270)

Sony claims to have taken down the systems themselves. You claim in a later post that you think it improbable that Somy was able to detect the data breach and yet have to take an extended time to fix the problem. This does not seem at all improbable to me. There have been several cases where companies have reported data breaches where the companies were not particularly computer savvy. It does not seem at all improbable that Sony became aware that there had been a data breach but was not sure (or maybe flat out didn't know) how the system had been compromised. Or even took the system down thinking there was a minor breach and as they investigated discovered the system was more thoroughly compromised than they originally thought (perhaps including new backdoors being introduced by the original hackers).

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001396)

What if it were a thief looking to take advantage of an opportune time. Lets say group A. and group B, are 2 completely unrelated groups, never met, never communicated, A dosn't even know B exists. Group A is a hacktivism group, group B. Greedy thieves. Hacktivists make as much noise, do as much collateral damage as they possibly can, group B notices the security is extremely distracted in dealing with group A, and sees a perfect opportunity to move in and steal information.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000672)

Sony pissed off a lot of geeks, many of whom are smart and amoral. Some of them vowed revenge. Sony got hacked to an absurd degree soon after.

"Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing 'look over there'."

Re:Vigilante Justice (3, Interesting)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000716)

Sony pissed off a lot of geeks, many of whom are smart and amoral

I think it is too easy to dismiss hackers as "amoral." I think very much it it probably not the case. I think hackers probably consider themselves as very "moral."

The problem with morality is that it is a subjective term.

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001308)

If you think that morality is a subjective term, you are amoral.

Re:Vigilante Justice (2)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001464)

If you think that morality is a subjective term, you are amoral.

Well, if you think "morality" is not subjective, you lack any knowledge of history or cultures other than your own. Morality is very much the product of culture.

An islamic family is trying to perform an honor killing of their daughter for adultery. To me that is immoral. To them it is highly moral. I may commit, what is to me, a "moral" act and try to save her. To them, I would be acting immorally preventing them from acting morally in their culture.

One can still act morally while having different morals than others. Amoral means you have no morals.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001410)

The problem with morality is that it is a subjective term.

No. No, it's not.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001588)

The problem with morality is that it is a subjective term.

No. No, it's not.

So, you find girls in bikinis morally offensive? Do you think woman who have sex out of wedlock should be stoned to death?

To some people, these are moral questions and obviously affirmative.

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

chinakow (83588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001628)

"No. No, it's not."

Not subjective? Okay try this one on. Assume it is a bad thing to lie. Now assume you are Oskar Schindler and smuggling a hundred Jews out of Germany on a boat during WWII. Nazis board you boat and ask if you have any Jews on board. Are you saying that there is no subjective room to wiggle in a gigantic lie at this point?

Yes, I am well aware of Godwin's Law [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001812)

You're mistaking objective with simplistic. Morality is objective; it is abstract, but it exists. It isn't simple, though, and stating that right and wrong exist doesn't mean that context and consequences don't enter in to it.

Was what Schindler did right? Should he have lied to save those Jews? If you answer yes, you're affirming objective morality.

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000780)

Classic case of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" dude...

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

BaronHethorSamedi (970820) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001604)

I believe that it may be an example of vigilante justice. However, simple criminal greed would also explain what happened here.

Are these really mutually exclusive? Lots of comments here seem to break down into the hackers being (a) righteous vigilantes handing Sony their just desserts or (b) thieves and hooligans. There's nothing about having a legitimate complaint against a major corporation that prevents you from being a greedy sociopath.

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000556)

"I'm sure no one believes that this is not an example of vigilante justice being played out against Sony."

Um, I don't think many people believe that at all. All the signs point to hackers motivated by money.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/playstation_hack/

Re:Vigilante Justice (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001230)

What would be the best way to hurt your enemy?

Just expose their base crimes.

Money isn't a motivation for this. Not saying how I know but I know it's not money. Well, money is the motivation- for Sony. The hackers don't want Sony to have that money.

Re:Vigilante Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000558)

I believe that stealing personal data is not a demonstation. A demonstration would deface, make noise, convey a message.
So vigilante justice is one of the many possibilities, and it's a sure way to increase censorship, they reinforce the idea that the internet must be "protected" (from us, not from google sniffing out traffic).

For all we know the episode could be the online version of the stolen laptop full of personal data which IMHO is the best way to sell personal info to the black market, no matter if the perpetrator is inside outside or working for or against an organization.

The problem is not that corporations behave like an arrogant bunch of criminals. The problem is our dependency to the system they created. If one is going to break the law, why doing it to disrupt? make your own mesh network so whatever sony or governments pull you can say "go on cut the cable, who cares".

All Your Base (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000378)

All Your Base Are Belong to Us

/ obligatory

Ya know I just (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000384)

Do not feel bad for Sony in the least. If it was anyone else I might.

Re:Ya know I just (5, Insightful)

eepok (545733) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000484)

It's not Sony that may have irreparable damage done to them... it's the users.

Re:Ya know I just (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000792)

It's not Sony that may have irreparable damage done to them... it's the users.

I think the important point is that they are "Sony users." Which, moving forward may not be something people want to be, which, of course, would be the objective. The best and worst thing for a business is word of mouth.

This could be a new Microsoft patented competition strategy.

Not relevant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000472)

I don't understand how this relates to US Navy Seals killing Osama bin Laden.

Re:Not relevant. (4, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000490)

I don't understand how this relates to US Navy Seals killing Osama bin Laden.

A lot of them will be pissed off if the servers are still down when he respawns next week.

Re:Not relevant. (1)

St.Creed (853824) | more than 3 years ago | (#36002268)

I can't decide whether this should be modded funny or insightful. I'm guessing the mods have the same problem.

Re:Not relevant. (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000572)

It may prevent them from getting to play the new SOCOM 4 with 3D and Move capability, so they decided that the real thing would have to do until they could actually play it.

Actually ;) (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000598)

Look what amazing things americans can do if the PSN is down.

I expect breaktroughs in cold fusion in a couple of days if minecraft server goes offline now.

Sony's a big target (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36000494)

It looks like some blackhat(s) are trying to dismantle Sony. Their entire network seems to have been compromised, as a Computer Science student I'm curious whether the intrusion was damaging in any way. Or was the hack just a snoop and copy mission. If this hack had anything to do with the Geohot case I'm pretty sure big neon letters would show up on the Internet claiming responsibility, and so far nothing like that has happened, so, I don't think it connects to the Geohot ruling.

The voices in my head... (2)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000544)

The voices in my head keep saying words like karma, comeuppance, just deserts... and then laughing maniacally. We live in an age when large companies can no longer treat people badly with impunity.

(*) Yes only one 's' in deserts.

Re:The voices in my head... (4, Funny)

zeptic (323902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000758)

Yes only one 's' in deserts.

Do you need help counting?

Re:The voices in my head... (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001388)

lol

SIlly me :-)

lol karma (1)

brenddie (897982) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000580)

karma is in overdrive it seems.

Not surprising (5, Interesting)

j1976 (618621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000630)

I have gotten my SOE account "hacked" (using SOE's terms). So has a close friend, and several other people I know of. Ok, if it had only been me I would have assumed it was an isolated incident even though I can't even begin to guess how my password got out in the wild. When this many people got their accounts taken over in such a limited time, I do no longer believe this was a problem on my side. However, trying to get anything other than "update your antivirus" out of the SOE customer support is an exercise in futility.

My qualified guess is that the recent security breaches aren't in any way exceptions: Most likely Sony/SOE have had security problems for several months now and have tried to keep a lid on it. But as said, that's just my guess.

Sorry (2)

zeptic (323902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000742)

Re:Sorry (1)

sarysa (1089739) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001846)

I don't know which way to reply to this video, so I'll reply both ways:

1. They offered us their heads in traditional fashion, and we didn't take them?

2. Apparently all hackers operate deep within a cave, lit only by their own LCD screen, are in their mid 40's, male, wear glasses, and type in a non-frenetic pace. And most definitely, hackers never have mountain dew, pop tarts, or gamer swag in background.

How is the possible? (2)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000754)

Did Sony use the same PS3 root key to encrypt their password files or is their a simpler bonehead explanation.

Many months ago (5, Interesting)

Jaktar (975138) | more than 3 years ago | (#36000782)

A few months ago my Station account was hacked. I had not used it in around 5 years. On that day my SWG account was reactivated with a monthly subscription using a credit card with my name on the account. The credit card had an address listed in a state I've never lived in. I saw the same story in forum threads when I was looking for information on how this happened.

I'm betting that they've been testing the water with the accounts they scraped for months.

Re:Many months ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36002046)

I had the exact same thing happen in January.

This is what may have happened (2)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001024)

Sony puts some basic PSN services back online.. and in the process opens for DNS services for top-secure servers behind 4 firewalls (as could be seen in the Sony slides)..

This allows malicious code running on those servers to resolve the name of the C&C servers and start beaconing out ..

Security specialists on site see it, say WTF!, and shut the whole network down ..

Did they expect it? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001248)

TFA/TFS:

investigation revealed a deeper "intrusion" than expected

Parapraxis [wikipedia.org] or did they actually expected to be hacked, only not that "deep"?

If the second, then Suck Fony [wikipedia.org] (actually, doesn't matter if the first or the second, thuck fem anyway).

Re:Did they expect it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36001992)

I see you have not been following the events...

Basically several weeks ago, PSN was hacked. They took PSN and related infrastructure offline. They "thought" the breech was limited to PSN and related services. Turns out, they have found signs that the SOE branch was (perhaps) also affected...Today they took down the rest of the Sony Online services..

Location (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36001906)

Anyone else recall reading something about Sony moving the servers to a different physical location as part of the cleanup? Sounded like part of an inside job with not much to do with leet crackers.
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