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Murder Trial May Turn On Missing Router

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the hardware-witness dept.

Crime 214

bgood writes "The outcome of a murder trial taking place in Charlotte, NC, may turn on a missing router. State prosecutors believe that Brad Cooper may have used the router (never recovered by investigators) to make it appear his wife made a phone call from the house the day she disappeared. The trial is in its 8th week."

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Story Error (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011242)

This trial is in Raleigh, NC, not Charlotte, NC. Fact check much, people?

Re:Story Error (1)

moberry (756963) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011314)

Aye. Hour north of here, only thing I've heard on the news for 2 months now.

Re:Story Error (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011502)

Hour south, haven't heard a thing.

Re:Story Error (0, Troll)

MichaelKristopeit423 (2018892) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011582)

probably because you get your news from stagnated aggregation sites that perform no fact checking or editing, such as slashdot.

rob malda has no self respect.

Re:Story Error (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011602)

...and you're still a loser.

Re:Story Error (0)

Tolkien (664315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011668)

At least he doesn't post AC.

Re:Story Error (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012344)

It wouldn't help. We'd still know it was him by his inclusion of the word "feeb" in his posts. http://slashdot.org/~MichaelKristopeit423 [slashdot.org]

Re:Story Error (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011828)

Your posts seem to have stagnated too :)

Re:Story Error (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011866)

If you hate Slashdot so much, leave. No one is forcing you to read your news or to post here.

Re:Story Error (0)

MichaelKristopeit423 (2018892) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011978)

you're an ignorant hypocrite.

no one claimed anyone was forcing me to do anything.

you're an idiot.

Re:Story Error (2)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011600)

News from the North is always more interesting. It's like a rule or something, so that's probably why.

Re:Story Error (1)

cobrausn (1915176) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011686)

News from the North is always more interesting. It's like a rule or something, so that's probably why.

Unless you're South of DC, then it's usually all just drivel.

Re:Story Error (2)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011620)

Raleigh? Charlotte? Aren't they somewhere in all that nasty stuff east of Lake Tahoe? :-)

Re:Story Error (2)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011696)

Where? I heard everything East of Palm Springs and North of Santa Clarita was destroyed in Y2K.

Fairview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011908)

Reading other coverage about the trial it becomes clear that it is Fairview, SC actually.

Re:Story Error (3, Funny)

DoomHamster (1918204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012068)

This trial is in Raleigh, NC, not Charlotte, NC. Fact check much, people?

Are you sure? Maybe they are using a router to just make it look like its in Raleigh....

So... (0)

Palshife (60519) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011250)

How do you turn on a missing router? WOL?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011268)

No no.... you need to talk to it in a sexy voice and rub its antenna (assuming it has a wireless feature).

Re:So... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011294)

How do you turn on a missing router? WOL?

wear something sexy.

Re:So... (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011438)

I think you'd still have to find it first, unless it got that Peeping Tom firmware update.

Re:So... (0)

Chas (5144) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012144)

It's a turn of phrase.

It generally means "might go in a different direction".

The outcome of the trial might be different if they can get their hands on that missing router.

Re:So... (2)

billcopc (196330) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012234)

s/turn/hinge/ and it will make more sense. English being my (close) second language, it took me a moment to parse as well.

Reasonable Doubt (2)

hoboroadie (1726896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011274)

Sounds like some iron-clad conjecture.
He'll fry.

Get your facts straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011284)

The trial is actually in Raleigh not Charlotte.

Router? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011292)

I barely even know her!

VOIP? Router? (4, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011316)

Cary police investigators have theorized that Brad Cooper, an engineer in Voice over Internet Protocol, had the expertise and ability to use the router to stage a remote call from his home phone to his cellphone so that it appeared that Nancy Cooper, 34, was alive on the morning that she disappeared

That's an awfully complex way of doing it. You could accomplish the same thing with a simple modem. I'm disinclined to believe the prosecutions simply because any phone engineer would not need a router.

Re:VOIP? Router? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011416)

at least he didn't leave his glove behind

hypothetically speaking
how would you do it?
tell more

Re:VOIP? Router? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011444)

Using a program that can talk to your modem, send the command "ATDT 555-1234" (or whatever number).

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011756)

Using a program that can talk to your modem, send the command "ATDT 555-1234" (or whatever number).

Ahhh, the nostalgia of the AT command set. The simple joys of writing custom mode init strings into your .bat files. The pleasure of automating downloads of bbs forum posts with Telix.

Seriously, anybody over thirty could do this in their sleep, if they owned a computer in the late 80s or 90s.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012228)

> Seriously, anybody over thirty could do this in their sleep, if they owned a computer in the late 80s or 90s.

-nod- A quick command to make you seem a bit like a secret agent to anybody still on dialup:

AT M1 L3 S11=30 DT ###-####

Re:VOIP? Router? (5, Informative)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011428)

Complex? Impersonating the home line is actually a FEATURE sold with many of these services so you can call from lets say, your cell phone but have the call appear to come from your home. It often also works like a calling card does, making the cell call a local call. It is trivial to do.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011764)

I didn't mean technologically complex, but logistically complex. Why misappropriate hardware from your employer, when you probably already have the hardware you need in a box in the attic?

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

PoopJuggler (688445) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012110)

Why misappropriate hardware from your employer, when you probably already have the hardware you need in a box in the attic?

I doubt he was planning this. He probably just flipped out and killed her. Why did OJ kill his wife in such a sloppy way? Some people just aren't criminal masterminds.

OJ is hot on the trail buddy! (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012282)

OJ killed his wife! What rot! He is hot on the trail of the real murderer. He never passes a chance to walk through the rough between the 7th and 8th holes just to see if the real killer is lurking there. Why! He always has a pair of binoculars stashed in his golf bag and fishing tackle so that he could look out for the real killer. This being slashdot I will probably be modded down by some moderator with a preconceived notion that OJ killed his wife.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011476)

True, but a cheep router is handy for it because you can use it then toss it in the dump. There are many out there that are relatively cheep and can be modded with custom firmware.

Set a router up with the right firmware, configuration, and connections and I can easily see a VoIP engineer using it for that general purpose, then tossing it in a dumpster never to be seen again.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011576)

True, but a cheep router is handy for it because you can use it then toss it in the dump. There are many out there that are relatively cheep and can be modded with custom firmware.

Set a router up with the right firmware, configuration, and connections and I can easily see a VoIP engineer using it for that general purpose, then tossing it in a dumpster never to be seen again.

Cheap? FTA it was a Cisco 3825S router which runs about $4k refurbished.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

bickle (101226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011784)

Seems all the more strange that such an expensive router would go missing. If I had some rackmount hardware that cost 4k, I can pretty much guarantee that I'd always know where it is.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011898)

    It was cheap in that he borrowed it from work, and it was never seen again.

    That's circumstantial though. It could have been borrowed from his desk by someone else, who installed it somewhere to be found in about a decade. :) Retail value of $4k at Cisco is nothing in comparison to most of their product lines.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011584)

True, but a cheep router is handy for it because you can use it then toss it in the dump. There are many out there that are relatively cheep and can be modded with custom firmware.

Set a router up with the right firmware, configuration, and connections and I can easily see a VoIP engineer using it for that general purpose, then tossing it in a dumpster never to be seen again.

It was a Cisco 3825S - which retails for a couple thousand dollars.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011840)

Still cheaper than a divorce. Just sayin'.

Re:VOIP? Router? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012340)

Or jail-time for murder.
Best. IT. Deal. Ever!

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011614)

True, but at the same time if their best piece of evidence is that he could have done it because he had the know-how, then god help anyone who is a VoIP engineer, knows anything about computers, or has ever used Google. I'm not sure I'm convinced that the fact that he supposedly borrowed the router from work and then never returned it points to his guilt. If it was pre-meditated enough that he borrowed a router for the purpose, why the hell would he raise a huge flag by not returning it - why not buy a cheap router to do the job, or wipe the router's logs and take it back to work at the very least? Being caught out like that sounds more like the plot for an episode of Columbo (and the fact that they'd then take such flimsy evidence as enough to prosecute on, doubly so).

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012030)

True, but at the same time if their best piece of evidence is that he could have done it because he had the know-how, then god help anyone who is a VoIP engineer,

From what I read, it's the other way around. *His* best piece of evidence that he *didn't* kill her is that his wife called him from home when the prosecution alleges she was already dead, which suddenly makes his VoIP experience very relevant. It is Columbo-esqe however, in that the accused has apparently tried to play the "I'm smarter than you, so I'll get away with it" game. That worked out pretty well for Hans Reiser, too.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012176)

From the little detail in the article the question at hand is the time of death of his wife.

Apparently there was a phone call made from their home to the man's mobile, presumably from the wife, proving that she was alive at that time, and about to leave home for her normal morning jogging. The prosecution obviously believes the woman was dead already at that time, and they think the call was staged by the man.

So it's not the thing they prosecute on, on the contrary even: they appear to try to find a way to explain evidence that otherwise would acquit him.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

Hydian (904114) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011652)

A Cisco 3825 is not a cheap router. It is also complex, large, and heavy (2U rackmount.)

And he borrowed it from the office. It would be dumb to use it for that purpose (not that it excludes the possibility.)

Re:VOIP? Router? (2, Interesting)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011646)

Cary police investigators have theorized that Brad Cooper, an engineer in Voice over Internet Protocol, had the expertise and ability to use the router to stage a remote call from his home phone to his cellphone so that it appeared that Nancy Cooper, 34, was alive on the morning that she disappeared

That's an awfully complex way of doing it. You could accomplish the same thing with a simple modem. I'm disinclined to believe the prosecutions simply because any phone engineer would not need a router.

The router in question is a Cisco 3825S, which he apparently borrowed from work.

If the guy worked at Cisco, in VoIP, I have absolutely no doubt that he could actually do what they claim. I could probably manage it myself if I had the right hardware and spent some time looking through documentation.

But it seems kind of silly to borrow a relatively expensive router from work to fake a call to try to prove your innocence...

Like you, I'm thinking he could probably accomplish this in a much simpler manner. Get some cheap little Linksys VoIP router, like the ones you get when you sign up with Vonage. Or just a regular dial-up modem, a Linux box, and a shell script.

It seems to me that if he was thinking ahead enough to borrow that router from work to cover his ass, you'd think he might realize that there'd be a paper trail involved in borrowing that router, and that his ass wouldn't be so nicely covered.

But maybe I'm just over-thinking it...

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012020)

It seems to me that if he was thinking ahead enough to borrow that router from work to cover his ass, you'd think he might realize that there'd be a paper trail involved in borrowing that router, and that his ass wouldn't be so nicely covered.

You would think that, but sometimes very technically smart people are dumb about murder, especially with regards to what makes them look guilty in court.

Re:VOIP? Router? (2)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012098)

Why does everyone say router router router? Wtf happened to setting up a regular run of the mill telephone modem and calling task manager. Wow guys does it really need to cost $200 to pull this off? I bet most of you have access to an old analog modem or two, and a computer. Fresh install Win XP have the thing place the call, that night slick it, or install a new drive, lose the modem. Why a router?

Occam's razor.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012300)

Why does everyone say router router router?

Well, the summary mentions a router because the article mentions a router because the court case involved a router because the guy worked for Cisco and borrowed a router from work but that router has now gone missing...

Wtf happened to setting up a regular run of the mill telephone modem and calling task manager. Wow guys does it really need to cost $200 to pull this off? I bet most of you have access to an old analog modem or two, and a computer. Fresh install Win XP have the thing place the call, that night slick it, or install a new drive, lose the modem. Why a router?

Or just a regular dial-up modem, a Linux box, and a shell script...

Re:VOIP? Router? (0)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011752)

Cary police investigators have theorized that Brad Cooper, an engineer in Voice over Internet Protocol, had the expertise and ability to use the router to stage a remote call from his home phone to his cellphone

That's an awfully complex way of doing it. You could accomplish the same thing with a simple modem. I'm disinclined to believe the prosecutions simply because any phone engineer would not need a router.

This is precicely why I hope I'm never a murder suspect... I've fixed each of my friends and family's computers more than once, several times they've seen me quickly "hack" past their forgotten Windows, Linux, and router passwords (LMHash overwrite / Orphcrack, root diagnostic mode + passwd, or known default passwords / weak WEP respectively, nothing fancy). I actually stopped fixing a few peoples systems after they hinted that I may have been to blame for their machines exhibiting "suspicious" behavior months after I re-installed their OS due to malware infections (It's just more malware, idiots).

Sadly, I know my less tech savvy friends and family regard computer literate folks as magical neck-bearded tech-wizards (well, at the very least they see me that way, and have no problem believing any BS TV / Movie "hacking" demonstrations).

Prosecutors would have a field day, "This Hacker had the expertise and ability to break any security measures the victim may have had on their computers, networks and smart-phones. He could have easily installed a Trojan Horse Virus into the victim's computer and cell phones that made it seem like they were still alive and Tweeting the mundane details of their bowel movements, when in fact he had already destroyed their minds Lawn-Mower-Man style, and was in the process of disposing of their bodies in cyberspace."

"Mr. Cortex, Is it not true that you in fact own a T-Shirt printed with the phrase: I am The One? -- Clearly this is an admission of guilt, a cry for help. You are the one responsible, may god have mercy on your soul..."

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011870)

Ah, but did you do those things with a gooey interface in visual basic? If not, you're not a true uberhacker.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012294)

There are still people alive today to remember that quote ? I thought I was the only one who had escaped suicide after paying to see Antitrust.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012090)

That's an awfully complex way of doing it. You could accomplish the same thing with a simple modem. I'm disinclined to believe the prosecutions simply because any phone engineer would not need a router.

A real VOIP engineer would falsify the SS7 logs. Why F around with hardware?

Or if you want to F around with hardware, get a surplus security dialer and a simple timer...

He might be a "VOIP engineer" in that he pulls cable and the employer doesn't want to pay him overtime, so he's now an "engineer". Or he might be a real switch engineer. I don't know.

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012408)

A real VOIP engineer would have rented a cheap SIP line from the Ukraine and fired off forged packets with his wife's caller ID.

Or he could have used a trusty old USR Sportster plugged into the landline. You know, like we did in the 80s and 90s.

I'd say the big problem with techies murdering their wives is they fail to plan for the social ramifications. Sure, you can launch the body into outer space, never to be recovered, but how solid is your alibi story ? Do you have the acting chops to lie right to her family and friends' faces ?

Re:VOIP? Router? (1)

CrowdedBrainzzzsand9 (2000224) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012208)

Detective Columbo saw through a similar scheme in the 1970s. In that episode, a magician/murderer used a wireless connection to make it appear he was in another room while the evil deed was done. It seems like a VHF analog radio connection would have been a better choice for the Raleigh scheme; that avoids all the breadcrumbs left behind with digital connections.

Lame (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011358)

Basically, it looks like the prosecutor has a totally plausible idea, but no evidence to support it. It would really suck if the guy got convicted based on that. Yes, it would suck, even if they guy actually murdered his wife, because for every plausible-but-unsupportable idea that is true, it's also false 99 times, so putting this guy away would mean we have standards that would put most innocent people in prison.

It's fine for investigators to come up with he-faked-the-phone-call hypotheses and check them out. It it totally fucking outrageous for prosecutors to be spewing bullshit at juries, though.

Re:Lame (5, Interesting)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011466)

I sat on a jury years ago. It was a bank robbery case and so it was in federal court. The FBI were involved but they had really screwed the pooch by basically being lazy and doing a crappy job. But the primary thing I remember is that they brought up surveillance video from the bank at some point. I don't remember how it came up but at some point it did, and the prosecution couldn't find the tapes.

At that point the judge told us, the jury, that if the tape couldn't be found we would need to assume that it contained information that helped the defendant. He said it was due to some prior case and missing evidence. In this specific case they did end up finding the video but it didn't help determine anything either way. Due to the FBI's failure to follow through on some simple stuff it ended up a hung jury.

At the time though, I felt comforted knowing that prosecution couldn't destroy or hide evidence and then use it against someone - but rather that lost evidence had to be presumed to help the defendant. Apparently that's not the case here, but it's really messed up as you say, if this guy goes to prison based on something that they don't even have.

Re:Lame (2)

Anonymous Crobar (1143477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012266)

What you are referring to is called an "adverse inference" [wikipedia.org] in legal circles.

It isn't handed out at the drop of the hat and usually indicates the mood of the judge. An adverse inference in your favor (say when videos go "missing") mean it is time to work on your dismissal motion. An adverse inference against you means you should start drafting your appeal...

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011504)

Hopefully his defence lawyer will be saying exactly that.

Yes, but... (4, Funny)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011396)

Is the router running ReiserFS?!

ReiserFS (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011700)

the file system of choice for murdering psychopaths everywhere

Re:ReiserFS (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011754)

But is it merely correlative or is it actually causative, and if so, which is the cause and which is the effect? More data points are needed...

interesting theory (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011800)

you are saying simply using the file system causes one to become a murdering psychopath?

let me look at the warning label...

body odor due to infrequent bathing, involuntary celibacy, paleness due to lack of sun exposure...

nope, nothing about murder

Re:interesting theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012106)

It's in the fine print of the fine print, much like how medication that causes anal bleading tries to throw it in with the speed talker at the end of the commercial.

turn it on without recovering it? (-1, Troll)

MichaelKristopeit422 (2018884) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011398)

slashdot = stagnated

Well... (3, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011424)

Murder Trial May Turn On Missing Router

If the router is missing, how will you know whether it is actually turned on or if it's still off? Or are they implying that the antanae will be raised? (giggity)

Re:Well... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011694)

how will you know whether it is actually turned on or if it's still off?

It's a Schrodinger 9200 model, of course.

Re:Well... (1)

Pyrion (525584) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011722)

Replace "Turn" with "Hinge" and it suddenly makes a lot more sense.

Re:Well... (1)

rjhall (80887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012192)

wow. I got this far through the threads and only now do i understand the headline.
thank you.
P'raps I should get coffee now.

Re:Well... (2)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011838)

Ask google or apple, they probably know it's MAC and location.

Re:Well... (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012046)

If the router is missing, how will you know whether it is actually turned on or if it's still off?

Was the router owned by Heisenberg?

Re:Well... (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012072)

If the router is missing, how will you know whether it is actually turned on or if it's still off? Or are they implying that the antanae will be raised? (giggity)

Apparently this isn't the first time something like this has happened: [bash.org]

<BradCoop> hm. I've lost my router.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my incriminating evidence stash it is.

Next thing you know they'll be questioning if everything was well at home, and the frequency that he put on his robe and wizard hat... [bash.org]

Location is wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011456)

At least get the location of the trial right. It's in Raleigh, NC. The defendant was a VOIP CCIE who worked for Cisco.

In other news: (1)

ballpoint (192660) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011460)

"Murder Trial May Turn Off Missing Router."

Depends on context (2)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011528)

This is really long stretch and will require recording of actual call and other details. You can fake voice message, but faking actual call is very difficult, never mind Hollywood showing simple voice changers as hot cakes available for everyone. Interesting legal theory though. As usual, needs facts and sound arguments why they are binding together.

Re:Depends on context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012264)

I think you too have been sucked in by Hollywood if you think recordings of calls are kept by the phone company.

Re:Depends on context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012426)

This is really long stretch and will require recording of actual call and other details. You can fake voice message, but faking actual call is very difficult,

Faking a call is difficult? Modems make placing an automated call very easy.

Would also be trivial with asterisk, let alone an integrated services router.

Charlotte? (2)

envelope (317893) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011530)

Trial is taking place in Raleigh. Not anywhere close to Charlotte. Although I'm sure some non-NC people think that Charlotte is the only city in NC.

Re:Charlotte? (2)

Triv (181010) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011622)

I'm sure some non-NC people think that Charlotte is the only city in NC.

You're assuming that most non-NC people think about NC enough to get the geography wrong, where the truth is we can't be bothered even that much.

Re:Charlotte? (1)

Kushana (206115) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011632)

There are states other than California?

Re:Charlotte? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011634)

Even us who live here try not to think about some of the cities here ;)

Re:Charlotte? (1)

alci63 (1856480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011640)

Trial is taking place in Raleigh. Not anywhere close to Charlotte. Although I'm sure some non-NC people think that Charlotte is the only city in NC.

Never heard of Charlotte. Isn't New York the only city in the USA ?

Re:Charlotte? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011714)

Crazy me!

There I was thinking that Burmingham was the birthplace of Jesus, and thereby the center of the universe.

I gotta stop listening to talk radio on my way into work.

Re:Charlotte? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011654)

NC has cities?

Re:Charlotte? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011680)

Although I'm sure some non-NC people think that Charlotte is the only city in NC.

You mean Florida has cities outside of Orlando? Nevada has cities outside of Las Vegas? New York has cities outside of New York City? Michigan has cities outside of Detroit?

It happens with most states, with the possible exception of California (because it has several well known cities).

Re:Charlotte? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012198)

Nevada pretty much doesn't have any cities outside of Las Vegas. Reno is the only thing close, and it's still under a quarter million residents IIRC.

Re:Charlotte? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011690)

No, there a lot more shitty places in NC.
Nuke, orbit, etc.

Noumea (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011732)

is the only city I can think of in New Caledonia

Re:Charlotte? (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012004)

Well, it kind of is the only city in NC, and I say this as someone who lived in the triangle area for 4 years...

Any other evidence? (2)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011674)

So a guy has some experience, someone from years ago has a missing router, and we jump to "Aha! He stole a router and killed his wife." TFA doesn't say if there is any other evidence. A witness (who did tell different stories) said she saw the wife at the supposed time the husband was murdering the wife. They better have some better evidence than conjecture, because I don't want to get blamed for some crime just because I have an engineering degree and some guy I used to know stole a router and then covered it up by saying I stole it. Where is CSI when you need them? They can do magicky stuff!

Re:Any other evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012060)

Where is CSI when you need them? They can do magicky stuff!

Like jumping to conclusions, threatening bodily harm to suspects, taking punishment into their own hands and generally shitting on people's rights? Horatio loves to do that.

Re:Any other evidence? (1)

Cytlid (95255) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012080)

I agree Brian. I'm a network engineer as well, and uh, even if they find the router, unless it's logging itself to flash, they won't find any evidence. Maybe if it's configured for voip that's some pretty pressing evidence. I think if they want to find out where the call came from, the "stolen router" isn't the key to the technical piece of the investigation. The routing of the phone call is. It would be routed through the telco system a certain way, and if he did fake it, the origin of the call would be the server where the voip client (router or otherwise) was registered, and not his wife's cell phone. A subpoena to the telco in question would yield better evidence and the router config, or the router itself would become a moot point. It's a network. The tracks through the network are the evidence, not any single piece of equipment.

Re:Any other evidence? (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012122)

I'm a network engineer as well, and uh, even if they find the router, unless it's logging itself to flash, they won't find any evidence. Maybe if it's configured for voip that's some pretty pressing evidence.

I suspect they're hoping it'll have a custom firmware that prints out "click here to call your cell phone and make it look like your wife's still alive" when it boots.

What's next?? (1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011718)

Next thing you'll know they'll claim an IP address doesn't correspond to a person or something.

Heh.

turn on (1)

true_majik (588374) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011822)

How can they turn on a router if it's missing?

/scratching my head

Re:turn on (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011846)

They probably figured it reads Slashdot.

Re:turn on (1)

AkkarAnadyr (164341) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012070)

They gossiped among themselves while it was out of the room, until they decided it wasn't their friend anymore.

CSI Solution: (2)

bubulubugoth (896803) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011826)

They should build a GUI Visual Basic interface to track the ip to find the router...

Re:CSI Solution: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012074)

Genius! It's ... 192.168.0.1!

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