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iMac Gets Thunderbolt I/O, Quad-core

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the lookit-all-dem-ports dept.

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fergus07 writes "Apple's desktop lineup has typically pushed users requiring plenty of fast I/O towards the Mac Pro — but the latest iMac refresh has broken the tradition. Quad-core Sandy Bridge CPUs and faster ATI Radeon HD GPUs are welcomed, but it's the addition of Thunderbolt ports (one in the 21.5-inch and two in the 27-inch) that really ups the ante for a number of professional users."

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437 comments

Welcome to 2010 Apple (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011738)

Maybe a future version of the iMac will even have Blu-Ray.

What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011812)

What use case would adding a BD-ROM or BD-R drive solve that isn't already solved by Netflix streaming, iTunes streaming, or external hard drives?

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011894)

> What use case would adding a BD-ROM or BD-R drive solve that isn't already solved by Netflix streaming, iTunes streaming, or external hard drives?

What happened to Apple products being for "non geeks". Most "non geeks" simply aren't going to relate well to your attitude and probably want a spinny disk.

BD-ROM happens to be the modern spinny disk format.

Apple is suppose to be the "media platform". They even bundle "media apps" with the OS. So "what gives" with trying to ignore today's most common high definition video format?

TV vs. computer (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011928)

Most "non geeks" simply aren't going to relate well to your attitude and probably want a spinny disk.

The impression that I get from CronoCloud and others who post comments to Slashdot is that most non-geeks aren't going to want to use a TV as a computer monitor. Instead, they'll continue to watch BD movies on their dedicated consumer electronics appliances.

Re:TV vs. computer (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012084)

Pretty sure there are oodles of people who buy a macbook (with free ipod) prior to heading off to college and become long term home apple users.

It seemed pretty much par for the course in college that a significant amount of people didn't own a TV. In the dorms, everyone watched movies on computers and a lot of people kept doing that for all 4 years. It is petty not to include the bluray drives since there are tons of people who would pay for the upgrade to use them (same for travel use).

Re:TV vs. computer (2)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012130)

students steal their movies, and apple knows this. no blu-ray necessary.

College = broadband = Netflix and iTunes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012164)

It seemed pretty much par for the course in college that a significant amount of people didn't own a TV.

College students probably have broadband. They can get movies on Netflix or iTunes, no spinny disc required.

Re:College = broadband = Netflix and iTunes (1)

slyrat (1143997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012284)

It seemed pretty much par for the course in college that a significant amount of people didn't own a TV.

College students probably have broadband. They can get movies on Netflix or iTunes, no spinny disc required.

Right, and you know what makes netflix great? The fact that you can get physical discs, like bluray or dvd. I know I would be fairly annoyed if I couldn't watch physical disc media when I was in college. I didn't do it often, but it certainly happened. There isn't a good reason to remove it from their new computers / laptops.

Re:TV vs. computer (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012184)

It seemed pretty much par for the course in college that a significant amount of people didn't own a TV. In the dorms...

Wow...things must have changed a LOT since I was in school. We pretty much ALL had tv's in college. Of course this was before most people had a personal computer, and no such thing as the internet....but we all had TV's.

Re:TV vs. computer (1)

Sechr Nibw (1278786) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012332)

If there wasn't internet, and very few PCs, then yes, a LOT has changed since you were in school!

Re:TV vs. computer (4, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012314)

Anon. Coward writes:
>>>ATSC? what a pile of garbage, and MPEG-2?! COME ON! At least the EU got h.264 from the start

h.264 aka MPEG4 didn't exist when ATSC was finalized in 1996 and broadcasts started in 97. They used the best codec available at the time of development.

Could have been worse. The Japanese version of HDTV was developed in the early 80s and isn't digital at all. It's an analog format called MUSE which occupies 3 channels to send one single program. - The US could have easily been stuck with that same format, if the FCC had followed Reagan's directive to copy it.

As for the other issues, "overscan" was developed because everyone was still using CRTs in the 90s. The mid-90s engineers had no idea that flat screen LCDs would be able to display a viewable picture. (Back then most lcds were crap.) And 1080i is based off the original japanese standard.

Re:TV vs. computer (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012142)

Considering Netflix now has more subscribers than Comcast, I am not at all sure that is true, because I would venture that most Netflix customers use streaming.

Comcast doesn't even serve the whole USA (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012368)

Considering Netflix now has more subscribers than Comcast

But does Netflix have more subscribers than Comcast, TWC, Mediacom, and all other local cable monopolies combined? Unlike Comcast, Netflix's area of operation is the entire United States of America.

Re:TV vs. computer (1)

tibit (1762298) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012238)

I think that Apple may need time to work all the wrinkles out of whatever authoring setup they'll provide for BDs in OS X. This isn't something that you can do overnight. The hangup could be something as simple as poor support from drive vendors, demonstrated poor firmware quality, etc. Of course Apple has the momentum to pretty much get what they want. At the end of the day it's still engineering time, and in many cases you can't really throw more engineers at the problem just as throwing more mothers at pregnancy won't get your baby born any faster.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (2, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011988)

I'm pretty sure that H.264 is todays most common high definition video format, not BluRay, and I'm pretty sure that there is a significant proportion of the population getting along fine without BD-ROM functionality.

Not saying it wouldn't be a nice-to-have, but its far from required. Infact, in any of the PCs I have built or bought in the past three years, not once did a thought occur to me to even consider BluRay as a capability to include.

Apple don't give a damn about BluRay, they have iTunes - thats the direction they want you to go in....

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012202)

I partially agree here, only bluray drive I have is in my htpc... and part of me regrets not getting a hybrid for burning DVDs, which I've done in the living room more than I've watched blurays so far.. That and getting the surround sound to work is a total PITA!!!! it worked for a while, then the software updated, and hasn't worked since. :( I like surround sound more than the extra definition of video from dvd to blueray myself.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012362)

7.1 surround on a XBMC box running linux was easy as pie. Why do you windows people have so much trouble with surround? does windows try and block it? you should just pass through the digital audio to the Surround decoder in the amp.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012216)

I have BluRay in the ps3 and about 3 films for it.

If I want HD content I'll watch a DVD and drink beer. I may be able to tell the difference; but I just could not care. I can also watch a VHS tape that flickers at the top and bottom. Just top me up with a bit more HD juice and it's all good.
If I do not have any beer when watching, no amount of pixels help. I'm beginning to think the content and not the definition may be the problem!

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (2)

d3vi1 (710592) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012280)

Blu-ray is a method of distribution, H.264 is a video codec. Most blu-ray releases actually use H.264 as a codec. Furthermore, nobody is stopping you from buying a USB blu-ray disk. Regarding the integrated drive, while on the laptops it's not feasible because there are no 9.5mm slot loading SATA blu-ray drives, on the iMac and (possibly) on the mac mini you can upgrade to blu-ray because you can fit a 12.7mm drive in them.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012334)

News flash....

Blu Ray is AVCHD or H.264 and mpeg2

BluRay is a media format not a video format.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012120)

I have a Mac and 25 down / 5 up connection. I don't need BluRay. In fact I don't need DVD either. I don't understand why MacBooks still have optical media drives at all. I've probably used the DVD Drive on the Mac maybe 10 times in 3 years. I'd much rather have more battery, or an SSD/HD combo than an optical drive...

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012174)

OptiBay [mcetech.com] , there are also clones out on eBay.

Hands down the best upgrade I ever made to my MacBook Pro. Plus I got a 100GB SSD in the main spot and then a 640GB traditional drive for the OpticalBay slot.

I don't have anything in my house that takes spinnig media. New machines boot from USB & most major installers support iso loopback (as does grub). TV & Movies are easily provided by through Netflix, iTunes, Usenet, Torrents, etc.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012308)

"BD-ROM happens to be the modern spinny disk format."

no it's not. DVD is. BD-ROM is the spinny disk format for Movies. it's not for software.
Software is sold on DVD, Dual Layer DVD, and CDROM. the only use for BD-ROM is DRM encrusted movie playback.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

TyFoN (12980) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011904)

Sending HD quality family videos to family that they can just pop into the bdr under the tv. But macintosh never was a content production platform was it? ;)

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012348)

Sending HD quality family videos to family that they can just pop into the bdr under the tv. But macintosh never was a content production platform was it? ;)

There are Blu-Ray-on-DVD-R standards for that, actually. It's a Blu-Ray formatted movie on a DVD, because BD-R discs are still expensive compared to the cheap DVD recordables you can buy.

Plus, Blu-Ray's a horrendous format. Your best shot at getting a BD-R working in a generic BD player is use the BDAV profile. Using BDMV (what Blu-Ray movies use) with BD-R's is an iffy proposition, especially unencrypted (Blu-Ray/BDMV requires AACS - it's not optional).

It's difficult enough that's it just easier to get a media player box (AppleTV/Boxee/Roku/WD TV/etc) and send those videos as mp4 files on a DVD or thumbdrive.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011936)

Accessing Blu-Ray disks.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011996)

What use case would adding a BD-ROM or BD-R drive solve that isn't already solved by Netflix streaming, iTunes streaming, or external hard drives?

Accessing Blu-Ray disks.

Please allow me to rephrase: What use case would Blu-ray discs solve that isn't already solved by Netflix streaming, iTunes streaming, or external hard drives?

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012078)

Watching a movie that's not on your external hard drive when the network link is down? =;-)

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012136)

Watching a movie in better quality. Getting the alternate audio tracks. Getting the subtitle tracks. Having access to something that isn't being streamed by Netflix yet because it is too new.

There are plenty of reasons to not restrict yourself to the Apple view of the world.

Most people simply aren't a member of the cult and will be doing things contrary to all of the silly remarks made by fanboys.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011948)

How about ripping a Blu-Ray disc to an external hard drive?

Anything that doesn't violate the DMCA? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012092)

Anonymous Coward wrote:

How about ripping a Blu-Ray disc to an external hard drive?

How about Apple getting taken to court by Sony, Fox, Warner, Universal, and Paramount? I was looking for a use of Blu-ray discs that is both 1. substantial and 2. lawful in Apple's home country.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012218)

You know, I'm all for getting away from physical media but if you really think that a streaming service is an alternative when it comes to quality video you're either sitting 10 inches from their server farm or you're as blind as a bat.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012242)

"Hey, let's do Movies night and bring our favorite BD !" ?

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

el_gordo101 (643167) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012254)

Playing Blu-Ray discs, for one.

Re:What use for a BD-ROM or BD-R drive? (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012304)

In the case of movies, neither NetFlix nor iTunes are streaming 1080p. And I have yet to see anybody distributing movies on external hard drives.

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011852)

Maybe a future version of the iMac will even have Blu-Ray.

Unlikely. Blu-Ray represents the death throes of 20th century technology. It's not really been taken up by consumers like the industry would like, and future Macs may very likely drop the optical disk all together (as the Macbook Air has, and Macbook Pro is rumored to do by the end of this year).

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (4, Insightful)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011892)

Especially since you can count the number of PC models shipping with a Blu-Ray drive on one hand. Now that spells demand.

I am sure the few people who need a Blu-Ray can buy themselves an external drive (e.g. LaCie has one). Especially if they start coming out with Thunderbolt connectors.

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (1)

Zinner (873653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011916)

You mean "Back to the future." Physical disks are just so yesterday. All my HD is in downloaded digital form sans silly disk.

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012050)

Wow! That's impressive!

Pray tell, where did all that glorious HD content come from (ie, how did the person who uploaded it get it?)

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012246)

a HDD hidden in his jacket.

Asked and answered (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012288)

where did all that glorious HD content come from

I mentioned a couple legit sources of HD streaming video in my previous comment [slashdot.org]

(ie, how did the person who uploaded it get it?)

By hiring a writer, director, actors, film crew, editor, and post-production special effects team.

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012076)

Maybe a future version of the iMac will even have Blu-Ray.

Blu-Ray is dead! It is the modern version of the laser disc! A Blu-Ray disc is too large to fit into my iPhone 4 and uses too much power to be used on an iPad 2!

Re:Welcome to 2010 Apple (2)

jitterman (987991) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012354)

Very funny post - but in seriousness, not likely because (eventual) utter lack of optical drives will herd all the Apple drones into purchasing all of their apps via the App Store.

Not that it hasn't been said before, but that 1984 commercial is certainly ironic in light of the current state of Apple.

Thunderbolt? (2)

demonbug (309515) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011750)

For those (like me) that had no idea what Thunderbolt is, apparently it is the new name for what was formerly known as Light Peak [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Thunderbolt? (1)

will.perdikakis (1074743) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011830)

Note that the iMac/MacBook version of Light Peak is actually an electric interface through a copper wire - not optical. I believe that the release name was changed to "Thunderbolt" to remove any confusion with Light Peak implying an optical interface.

Re:Thunderbolt? (1)

Zinner (873653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011874)

No, Thunderbolt is the released product name create by Intel. Light Peak was the pre-production working name only.

Re:Thunderbolt? (4, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011940)

Intel decided to move optical interconnects to the cables themselves. Short Thunderbolt cables will be entirely copper; long cables will have an optical transceiver built into each end.

Re:Thunderbolt? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011880)

Its only/main real use will be DisplayPort.

Wasn't Thunderbolt and Lightpeak a really bad film?

Re:Thunderbolt? (1)

Snoggle (1231448) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011970)

Its only/main real use will be DisplayPort.

That and high-def low compression video recording. Pretty much have to use some kind of PCI card to do that today which limits options. One interface for all: video in, out and storage rather than a hodgepodge of connection types.

Re:Thunderbolt? (1)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012018)

Its only/main real use will be DisplayPort.

Wasn't Thunderbolt and Lightpeak a really bad film?

Are you kidding? That movie was my first sight of full frontal nudity...it deserved an Oscar for that alone.

Re:Thunderbolt? (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012096)

Wasn't Thunderbolt and Lightpeak a really bad film?

Well, yes, but the part where they're hitchhiking and get picked up by the guy with the caged badger in the back seat is good. Especially when he runs off the road, starts throwing bunnies out of the trunk and blazing away at them with a shotgun. That shit was so bizarre, you just know it had to have actually happened to one of the writers. Even with the best drugs available at the time, nobody could make that up. For the uninitiated: Thunderbolt and Lightfoot [imdb.com] . Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges. I actually think it's a pretty good film.

Dual thunderbolt (1)

wjlafrance (1974820) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011760)

With dual Thunderbolt on the 27" iMac, this is the first time (I believe?) that a Mac can drive three displays without the use of an external splitter. I can tell you I'd love to have three 27" 1440p displays on my workstation. Also, since iMacs can run headless, if you get three the other two can act as compile servers and/or file servers. It comes with a pricetag but that's a nice hunk of computing power.

Re:Dual thunderbolt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011842)

Actually, Wikipedia says that "A single Thunderbolt port supports hubs as well as a daisy chain of up to seven Thunderbolt devices; up to two of these devices may be high-resolution displays using DisplayPort.". So, if the video card can handle it, you could actually drive *four* displays, plus the one on the iMac itself.

Re:Dual thunderbolt (1)

CnlPepper (140772) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011850)

What a waste of money.

Re:Dual thunderbolt (1)

Tobenisstinky (853306) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012014)

I refute your argument... oh wait, I don't have to because you didn't make one. Comments like yours are the equivalent of the school yard "nyea nyea"
Go away.

Re:Dual thunderbolt (-1, Flamebait)

MichaelKristopeit423 (2018892) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012212)

you're an ignorant hypocrite.

fighting a battle you claim doesn't exist.

stick around, you'll fit right in. you're an idiot.

slashdot = stagnated.

Great but (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011804)

Okay now just put that in a Minitower case with PCIe slots, sata connectors, and lots of Dimm slots. Sell it for under $1000 dollars.
I know that Apple doesn't need that machine because they are making money hand over fist but there is a big gap between the iMac and the MacPro in expandability. Maybe we could call it the iMac II ?

Re:Great but (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011876)

What do you need PCIe slots for in this time and age, particularly when Light Peak faster than than SATA (and both are faster than any existing HD) and can drive displays?

I think you want something from the Alienware catalogue. Apple doesn't build for ricers.

Re:Great but (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012000)

> What do you need PCIe slots for in this time and age

$10 upgrade vs. a $2000 upgrade.

Re:Great but (2)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012058)

I guess PCIe slots are better for powering your in-case chaser LEDs, liquid intercooler and cup holder, while still giving you ample on-host full power USB ports to power your coffee warmer, Arduino-based 3D milling machine and Dr. Who talking Dalek commemorative snow globe.

Re:Great but (1)

djdanlib (732853) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012140)

That's your power supply's job, bus (if any) is irrelevant.

Re:Great but (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012274)

Yeah but there's only so many pins on the header :) It's not really a question of load, it's the holes people use to juice their googaws in the first place. I definitely note a predilection of customizers to prefer gobs of PCIe slots, and maybe they'll rarely put a RAID adapter in one of them, but the rest are there to provide extra +3 rails to power their, uh, bling.

Re:Great but (0)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012166)

...or a better GPU that actually is supported by major Game studios.

Having a pile of dongles on the desk simply isn't stylish regardless of how much you fanboys try to kid yourselves.

Dongles are a solution to a self-inflicted problem.

Re:Great but (0, Troll)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012182)

Allienware? Ricers? What a stupid snob.

Yea Apple doesn't build anything like that http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html [apple.com]
So is a MacPro a ricer or a wannabe Alienware box.

ThunderBolt is really got potential but there is only one Thunderbolt port on these machines.
So If want to to upgrade the video card. maybe Maybe I want to run a Quadro for CAD. Maybe in the future there will some strange box like external video cards that used Thunderbolt but not now.
Or maybe I want a RAID for storage?
Really you are just a stupid freaking brain dead wannabe Apple fanboi. You just can not get your mind around the fact that a developer might want something between the workstation class MacPro and the iMac?
Then you freaking use insults like ricer? Really?
So just how would you set up a RAID 6 array and a Quadro video card using the the single Thunderbolt port today?

Re:Great but (1)

2ms (232331) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011882)

Funny you should mention this because the elimination of need for all those slots and connectors is precisely one of the most compelling things about Thunderbolt.

Re:Great but (0, Flamebait)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012022)

...because what everyone wants is a TI/99A or Atari 400 approach to how systems look and are upgraded.

Apple users spend all of this time "looking trendy" and denigrating anything else that they view as ugly while promoting this 80s notion of how computers are put together.

Re:Great but (0)

ameoba (173803) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012226)

Of course. Without having to support internal hardware, the OS devs have a far easier time testing system stability. It greatly helps the "it just works" ideal that they like to promote.

...it also forces people to buy a whole new machine when it's time to upgrade.

Re:Great but (2)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012244)

I happen to like my TI99/4A...very much actually.

Re:Great but (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012320)

Apple users spend all of this time "looking trendy" and denigrating anything else that they view as ugly while promoting this 80s notion of how computers are put together.

New business model: provide individual counseling to people who's fee-fees have been hurt by Apple, in the course of Apple selling computers people want to buy.

Re:Great but (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012306)

Maybe in the future but so far we are stuck with a single Thunderbolt port. Some how I do not think that you would want to put a RAID and a high end GPU on a single Thunderbolt port.
Even if you did would want all those extra boxes spread out on your desk? A benefit of a tower or mini tower is a place to put stuff and a power supply.
So would you want to set up a RAID and a high end graphics card externally?

T-bolt is external PCIe (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011896)

PCI Express slots? Thunderbolt is external PCIe along with DisplayPort. SATA? Thunderbolt is faster than even SATA 6G, and there's already a Thunderbolt hard drive [gizmag.com] . Who knows? Someone could come out with an eSATA card connecting to the Thunderbolt port.

Re:T-bolt is external PCIe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012162)

Thunderbolt is not even close to external PCIe; an x16 PCIe 2.0 slot can do 8000 MB/s, significantly more than Thunderbolt's 1280 MB/s.

Re:Great but (2)

DJCouchyCouch (622482) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011990)

Look everybody! He's beating a dead horse! Look at those twitching legs go!

Re:Great but (1)

ray_mccrae (78654) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012170)

Maybe we could call it the iMac II ?

Or alternatively the iMac ][

3 Display Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011816)

Really, the only nice thing that I can see from this update is that Apple elected to include 3 Display Support by default on their All-in-One.

Everything else seems to place this computer quite a bit higher price for what you get than competitors products.

Excellent for the Hackintosh folks... (2)

Retron (577778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011818)

Great news for those wanting to install Snow Leopard on their Sandy Bridge machines. It was imperfect early on (involving setting busratio flags amongst others) but now that MacOS is officially supported on the 2nd generation Cores it should make for a smoother Hackintosh experience.

Mind you, the fact it's taken Apple four months to catch up isn't impressive. If hobbyists could run it on day one of the new chips being released, I don't see why Apple couldn't have prepared for it sooner...

Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

2ms (232331) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011856)

It looks like Thunderbolt is a sure thing on Apple machines in future. Apple hasn't included USB3 in any of their machines and USB3 has been very slow to grow. Hopefully, when Apple includes a new interface it significantly encourages its adoption by others. There's some precedent in the history of USB prior to USB3. And Apple hardware characteristics has more influence on market than it probably ever has in the past. Excited for Thunderbolt!

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011958)

You mean like how firewire is now ubiquitous? oh wait...

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011972)

USB uptake on PCs was a function of Intel bundling USB for free on all of it's motherboards. The fact that Apple Corp left it's legacy users in the lurch really had nothing to do with it.

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (3, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012148)

USB uptake on PCs was a function of Intel bundling USB for free on all of it's motherboards. The fact that Apple Corp left it's legacy users in the lurch really had nothing to do with it.

Which is why for several years there all USB devices shipped only in bondi blue to match the look of the iMac? Sorry, but Apple basically created the mainstream USB peripheral market before the PC market caught up and started using them as well.

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (3, Insightful)

willy_me (212994) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012262)

USB uptake on PCs was a function of Intel bundling USB for free on all of it's motherboards. The fact that Apple Corp left it's legacy users in the lurch really had nothing to do with it.

Sure it did. When Apple released their iMac there was a rush to release peripherals to support them. Before that nobody really cared about USB despite the fact that it was present on the majority of PCs. People were fine with serial and parallel ports - there was simply insufficient reasons to switch to USB. Remember that USB 1.0 (or 1.1) was not actually that fast and came with a pile of driver issues (due to how new it was). It also added to the work that the CPU was required to do, something that is irrelevant today but quite relevant for a p200.

So Apple did jumpstart the USB market. Not that it would not have happened eventually on it's own, Apple just made it happen sooner. Their actions caused peripheral manufacturers to adopt the standard sooner then they would have liked to. Remember those early devices? Most were standard serial/parallel devices with a built in USB to serial/parallel converter. Ugly, but necessary if they wanted a piece of the iMac peripheral market.

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012296)

Interesting memory you have there. Because mine clearly includes a first wave of USB devices that were ALL "bondi blue" to go with the first generation iMac. By the time the PC manuacturers came on board, a lot of accessories already existed thanks to a market Apple created. The commodity PC market-- sorry, WinTel world-- may have benefited from "free" USB on Intel motherboards, but it didn't hurt that Apple made sure devices already existed for those ports.

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012052)

This is the third display port standard Apple have used in 4 years - I wonder if they are considering sticking with this one for any length of time?

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012180)

I have 3 separate video port dongles for 3 slightly different versions of the same Mac model released over a couple of years.

Cheap PC nettops have been a bit of a step up in this regard.

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012276)

It's still a mini display port like before.

What it adds is the PCIe interconnects for other types of devices, which is more Intel's doing than Apple's (even if there was some collaboration going on).

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012318)

I may be wrong, but I think this one is backwards compatible with the last one. It basically adds all of the other connections to mini-DVI, doesn't it?

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

jht (5006) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012324)

Not really - Thunderbolt uses the same plug and is electrically compatible with mini DisplayPort. They've just added more functionality to the connector. And mini DisplayPort has been the spec for a few years now in Apple gear, so it should last a while to come now that it's also used by Thunderbolt.

Other than that, the Mac mini supports HDMI out as well as mini DisplayPort. Until a couple of years ago, things were kind of in transition as the world moved away from VGA and into digital video out. Now things are more stable.

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012358)

This is the first one that can't be fixed with a $10 adapter, they might be stuck with it for a while. What's on the back of their displays right now?

Re:Hopefully this accelerates its adoption (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012302)

To watch it die on the vine in the general consumer space like firewire and be relegated to a few niche markets... That should be Exciting...

how is the pci-e lane setup on dual TB port system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011858)

how is the pci-e lane setup on dual TB port system?

half of the X16 pci-e with x8 to video and 2 X4 to each TB port? or just the 1 X4 bus to 2 TB ports.

The Sooner the Better (4, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011914)

I'm glad to see Apple rolling out Thunderbolt to their whole lineup and not restricting it to the high end. Anything they can do to promote this and get it mainstream for all computers will be a benefit to the industry and end users. Tangles of cords, switching cords, and unchainable unintelligent standards have been hampering us for too long. No, I don't want to have to have a computer in between my video camera and my high capacity storage drive. No, I don't want to have more than one cable between my monitor and computer and yes I want to plug USB devices, microphones, hard drives, etc. to the device on top of my desk instead of climbing under it. The throughput and flexibility here has been needed for a long time. Come on industry, full speed ahead with this one!

I thought I clicked "disable advertising" (1, Insightful)

Candid88 (1292486) | more than 3 years ago | (#36011956)

So it's a new laptop with some pretty unremarkable new features. This article is different from the 100 other "latest new product" offers that arrive in my junk email box, how? ...apart from the fact it's on Slashdot and not in my junk email folder of course.

Re:I thought I clicked "disable advertising" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36011994)

it's not a laptop ...

Re:I thought I clicked "disable advertising" (3, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012146)

I know not reading TFA is par for the course on slashdot, but if you managed to read the summary - all two lines of it - you might have discovered the following hint that these are not laptops: (one in the 21.5-inch and two in the 27-inch)

Re:I thought I clicked "disable advertising" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012168)

Actually, it's a desktop.

Yep, Mac Pro (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012062)

Yep, if you want fast I/O like eSATA you have to get a Mac Pro.
Oh, wait ...

What happened to 24"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36012094)

A friend of mine recently decided she wants an iMac. She went to the Apple Store and decided to get a 24". She said the 21" was too small and the 27" too large. I advised her to hold off on the purchase as there was a spec refresh due soon, so she did. Now there isn't a 24" iMac. I do like that Apple have a limited choice of specs, compared to say Dell where their website offers a seemingly infinite number of choices presented in a way which does little to aid the decision of what to buy, but the loss of the 24" iMac seems like a choice reduction too far.

Why? (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012102)

Why would somebody buy a computer from a phone company?

WTF is Thunderbolt? (1)

chrispix (624431) | more than 3 years ago | (#36012220)

Another name like sony calling Firewire iLink?
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