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Scientists Afflict Computers With Schizophrenia

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the some-syfy-exec-just-found-his-next-awful-movie dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Computer networks that can't forget fast enough can show symptoms of of virtual schizophrenia, giving researchers new clues to the inner workings of schizophrenic brains, say researchers at the University of Texas at Austin and Yale University. In their experiments, the scientists used a virtual neural network to simulate an excessive release of dopamine in the brain and found that the network recalled memories in a distinctly schizophrenic-like fashion. The results bolster a hypothesis known in schizophrenia circles as the hyperlearning hypothesis, which posits that people suffering from schizophrenia have brains that lose the ability to forget or ignore as much as they normally would. Without forgetting, they lose the ability to extract what's meaningful out of the immensity of stimuli the brain encounters."

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Hyperlearning (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36048796)

Do schizophrenics typically have eidetic memories? This is not a symptom I was aware of.

Re:Hyperlearning (0, Offtopic)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36048912)

There's a tendency by humans to identify some positive trait as horribly negative. After all, the world must be fair and someone gifted must suffer for it, right?

I cannot outright reject "equalising" hypotheses, but I am slow to accept them because they may betray the motivations of the humans behind them.

Re:Hyperlearning (-1, Troll)

martas (1439879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049054)

There's a tendency by liberals to identify some trait that negatively affects quality of life as something to celebrate. After all, the world must be fair and someone screwed over must not suffer for it, right?

FTFY.

Disclaimer: I consider myself socially liberal.

Re:Hyperlearning (0)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050138)

Life is inherently unfair. Some are born smarter than other. Some are born stronger than others. Some are born sick, other are born healthy. Some are taller and some are shorter.

The problem is that trying to "equallize" these doesn't and will never be any more fair. The real issue isn't making it more fair, but rather give people every chance to exceed their reach. Leftwingers don't want to measure anything based on effort, but rather have it based on outcome. And that leads to all sorts of policies that are fundamentally broken.

Re:Hyperlearning (5, Interesting)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050736)

As someone who lives in a socialist country (well, we ALL live in socialist countries to some extend, but a most socialist one than the US), I disagree. The goal ISN'T to "give people every chance to exceed their reach", as you put it, but to make sure people can always pick themselves up and keep contributing to society. To make it so that when life isn't fair it isn't as bad as it could be and it isn't the end. If you lose everything, you still have access to health care, to shelter, to services to help you find a job and work to get it back.

EI exists so that, if you lose your job, you won't find yourself on the street if you can't find a new one before next month's rent it due. Public healthcare is there so that if you're only making minimum wage, and you develop a heart condition, you won't die from a lack of funds to fix it. Education subsidization lets you develop skills to let you better your own life and at the same time better contribute to society as a whole. Socialism is the mantra of "today you, tomorrow me" restructured into a political system. It's an acknowledgement that everyone in a society is in a symbiotic relationship with everyone else in it and that working together is better than killing each other over every last scrap we can personally get our hands on.

Re:Hyperlearning (4, Informative)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049534)

This is not a positive trait or a gift. It's a brain disease, and brain diseases produce lots of suffering at the deepest possible level. As someone who knows people with brain diseases I can tell you that "hyperlearning", in the same sense of "hyperlexia" do not qualify as gifts, even though they might seem to because they have the prefix 'hyper-' in them. The brain's ability to detect the salience of certain information, while throwing out other, less salient information, is central to its ability to function and perform basic tasks in the world. Without these abilities self-sufficiency and quality of life diminish precipitously.

Re:Hyperlearning (1)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049696)

As someone who knows people with brain diseases

Who doesn't?

The brain's ability to detect the salience of certain information

This was concentrating on forgetting / ignoring, IOW what eidetics don't do. That's not the same thing as determining relevance.

Re:Hyperlearning (4, Insightful)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049904)

Ignoring == determining relevance.

You ignore and quickly forget the information that isn't relevant and retain and think about that information that is is. Eidetic memory would allow them to retain all the information but still ignore what didn't matter. If they needed to, they could pull up what colour shoes they wore at age 12, but they would be able to determine that this information was "not important". Hyperlearning says that schizophrenia prevents this so that you can't tell the difference in importance between what you had for lunch last week and what you got on your last math test. This means that your brain is overloading itself trying to figure our WHY all these things matter and piece together connections between them when it shouldn't be.

Eidetic hosts simply make no assumptions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050206)

I learned to be Eidetic through plenty of emotional trauma from peer pressures dispensed to me at the right frequency, and abandoned by a certain administrative body I left the more accepted path of society into a more auto-didactic seperatist lifestyle that has proven me to be more productive and self-sufficient while getting actually product Made in USA onto store shelves. In some ways, I have mental color blindedness, but in others it's nothing more than random access memory that gives no bias to any subject: can't even comprehend much of the information given to me, because it's all in memory for me to "rehearse" wherever none can hear me arguing with myself as a supposed "loon."

Yet here we have a parent poster, that we are responding to, wanting to claim they have a brain disease and experience in knowing others that do. Just let us all alone, and give us the 3 Laws: I'm sick and tired of being prevented by legalese from functioning at society just because someone says I'm a schizzo yet I've superior debating skills and have caused harm to none. It's all a scam to default anyone with these "traits" into service plans for job security of lobbyists. It's like me saying that we should get rid of Social Security, because you should have children that should take care of your elderly rather than government take care of them: and your ability to raise good children that take care of you is reason enough of whether you should receive good care or bad care, whereas government simply puts you in the hands of mis-managers and fumbles all rules because some union elderly services aren't prompt on their service route.

peace...of shit.

Re:Eidetic hosts simply make no assumptions. (1)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050320)

Ok. Well, I wasn't going to say this, but it's not just people I know. I have a brain disease, myself. It's not schizophrenia or being eidetic but it's very much a perceptual/memory problem.

I would not consider it a gift. I'm not by any means arguing on behalf of discriminating against the neurologically ill. What I am for is recognizing that these illnesses do have a negative impact on quality of life (though this is not to say for everyone, but I do speak for myself in this regard.)

Re:Eidetic hosts simply make no assumptions. (1)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050652)

Let me add: the brain is so complex that it's not really amenable to generalizations. Therefore, I was mistaken in generalizing or seeming to speak for others, and I apologize.

Re:Eidetic hosts simply make no assumptions. (1)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050564)

wait, am I the parent poster? are you using the royal we? or are you talking about the person I'm responding to?

Neither I nor my parent claimed to have a brain disease, though he claimed to know someone who did, so I assume you're talking to him. Also, you're very hard to read, which is hurting your claim to superior debate skills. Comprehension is important in debates.

I think we all argue with ourself/talk to people who aren't really there. It's something that society tends to associate with mental illness but really, it's just internal dialogue/daydreams which some of us happen to do out loud without realizing it. And it's hardly a scam, my uncle was schizophrenic and left to his own devices he went missing for years and wandered the streets until he lost a leg to frostbite. That's how I first saw him when I was a child. On a hospital bed, with a bandaged stump, barely able to string a sentence together. My grandmother had it too, refused to leave the house for the last 10 years of her life. She was apparently afraid of what was out there, thought there were men out to get her. I think the percentage of Schizophrenics who could function in society is very low.
Either paranoia or disordered thought gets most of them in the end.

Re:Eidetic hosts simply make no assumptions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050714)

I learned to be Eidetic through plenty of emotional trauma from peer pressures dispensed to me at the right frequency

Was it 59Hz? The Florescent lights where I work blink at that frequency, which forces me to eidetically learn NSA and CIA back-channel chatter (they use the florescent lights as a communication medium which is why I cover myself in dog urine that I collect from home-grown dogs. don't trust the dogs from animal shelters; their pee has tracer compounds that the FBI and Illuminati use to find out who is blocking CIA messages.

Re:Hyperlearning (1)

Angua (1732766) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049942)

This was concentrating on forgetting / ignoring, IOW what eidetics don't do. That's not the same thing as determining relevance.

Well, from the blurb with the article, that's the hypothesis:

The results bolster a hypothesis known in schizophrenia circles as the hyperlearning hypothesis, which posits that people suffering from schizophrenia have brains that lose the ability to forget or ignore as much as they normally would. Without forgetting, they lose the ability to extract what's meaningful out of the immensity of stimuli the brain encounters.

Which, presumably, is the point of this exercise, i.e. infecting computers with schizophrenia (am I the only one who feels this is horribly wrong on many levels?).

I'll go now and read tfa.

Re:Hyperlearning (3, Insightful)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049948)

That's not the same thing as determining relevance.

I think it pretty much is. 'Forgetting/remembering' at the neurological level is an emergent property of millions of neurons selecting salient information from their incident stimuli. What ends up being encoded into long term memory is a collaboration of each of these neural networks working on their piece of the 'salience' puzzle. The salience can be evaluated in a number of different ways - is it emotionally significant? is it practical information? But, actually, this research concerns even more basic evaluations, such as 'What are the basic grammatical structures in this sentence? What are the words, what are their meanings and how are they arranged? What is the content of the sentence as a whole?" If the wrong information is thrown out *or* remembered, it becomes very difficult for the brain to make sense of it.

So forgetting/remembering are, in many ways, the same thing. In the process of remembering, we have to forget, or our memories quickly become incoherent.

Re:Hyperlearning (2)

sorak (246725) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049834)

There's a tendency by humans to identify some positive trait as horribly negative. After all, the world must be fair and someone gifted must suffer for it, right?

I cannot outright reject "equalising" hypotheses, but I am slow to accept them because they may betray the motivations of the humans behind them.

The story is that these people came up with a possible explanation of how schizophrenia works, came up with a test, and found that the test created a "virtual schizophrenic". Your complaint that this explanation could show schizophrenics in a slightly more positive light doesn't seem relevant.

Re:Hyperlearning (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049550)

the medications supposedly help erase memories. at least my nurse seemed to think they do. In my case the medications seem to help, but I wouldn't stake anything important on so called anti-psychotics or even atypical anti psychotics either.

in my case i drink heavily filtered water, avoid most sugar natural or not, and avoid artificial sweeteners, avoid all caffeine, and the only thing i noticed is my thirst dropped 50% and devoid of caffeine and sugar that i get less dizzy from my medications. i also have an increase in my conscious. e.g. i am now extremely worried (but not paranoid) that i bragged about knowing things i didn't know at the time, and i realized i was asking for things i didn't need or want in my life. if i could change the past i would undo asking for things i didn't need or even want, it was like someone thought i needed to have that kind of thought and made me think it for myself.

Re:Hyperlearning (1)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 3 years ago | (#36052280)

What about BOOZE to erase the memories? And does it work on virtual networks?

Re:Hyperlearning (2)

LambdaWolf (1561517) | more than 3 years ago | (#36051292)

Do schizophrenics typically have eidetic memories? This is not a symptom I was aware of.

I've often read that remembering something is a constructive process. I tend to think of it like checking out a revision from source control software. All it has are a bunch of diffs and pointers, and it executes a process on them to construct a snapshot of what the code looked like at some particular time. From that perspective, the snapshot is a new piece of output, even though it's cached information from the user's perspective. Human memory is said to work the same way: it's reassembled, not retrieved.

So, if a person has eidetic memory, then one would expect them to have a better than average "ability to extract what's meaningful out of the immensity of stimuli the brain encounters". On the other hand, since a defining trait of eidetic memory (as the term is often used) is being able to recall any detail and not just "what's meaningful", it must also entail exceptional ability to store and recall mass amounts of raw data (the diffs and pointers in my analogy). But nonetheless, I'd expect them to be exceptionally strong at filtering and reconstruction as well if they're able to form that data into coherent memories and verbalize them.

Then I suppose the hyperlearning hypothesis is saying that the reconstruction process breaks down because the data is too abundant and disorganized. Maybe I can extend the file storage analogy a little further: a hard disk that's so full that you can't defrag it? Or one where deleted files stay behind and come up instead of whatever you tried to overwrite on those disk sectors? Corrupt file system table?

IANAN/P (I am not a neurologist/psychologist). This is all my layman's, Wikipedia-level understanding and would welcome elaborations or corrections.

This was a triumph. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36048810)

Subject line says it all.

Brings to mind the old verse.... (0)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049584)

Roses are Red...

Violets are Blue...

I'm schizophrenic....

And so am I.......

Re:Brings to mind the old verse.... (3, Informative)

wwfarch (1451799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049808)

I've never understood how schizophrenia got equated with having multiple personalities. I've known many schizophrenics because schizophrenia runs in my family and not a single one of them has multiple personalities.

Re:Brings to mind the old verse.... (1)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050180)

Do these "many schizophrenics" have names? Do you have photos of them?

Could it be possible they are all you?

I have schizophrenia. (5, Interesting)

headkase (533448) | more than 3 years ago | (#36051686)

And I do not have multiple-personalities. I'm lucky I have medicine that let's me lead a half-way normal life. I "remember" being sick, as much as you can remember without being certain that any of what you perceived had a basis in "Reality." When I was sick there were no "voices" in my mind, rather, it was an experience that is consistent with this article. Facts. Connecting together in rapid fashion to other "facts" whether the basis that connected them was logical or not. At first, without medicine, connecting the "facts" leads to some novel interpretations that others around you might find interesting. However, as time and the disease progresses without treatment: an overwhelming web of "facts" emerges and the frequency of different interpretations of the same "facts" doubles until fully untreated I was in a full state of chaos, or as it is really called: psychosis. Stay in and be happy you have a concrete "reality" you do not have cause to question.

Re:Brings to mind the old verse.... (3, Informative)

overlordofmu (1422163) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050174)

Your joking is bigotted and ignorant.

Schizoprenia and multiple personality *slash* dissociative identity disorder are two completely different things.

I realize, of course, that you didn't write the joke, but you did repeat it.

This is how is should read:

Roses are Red...
Violets are Blue ...

I'm schizophrenic...

And I wish that duck outside my window would quit reading my mind . . .

Re:Brings to mind the old verse.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050476)

And I wish my feelings of anger wouldn't lash out at the duck outside
I wish the thoughts of that duck wouldn't scream out in my mind
I wish the duck-ness of that duck wouldn't infect me and cause me to feel like I'm a duck-like being
I wish I could always feel the peace and tranquility of that duck being a duck on the earth that is what it is until some human comes across and fills my mind with thoughts of humanness

Re:Brings to mind the old verse.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051532)

Roses are Red,
Violets are Blue,
I'm not schizophrenic,
I just don't trust you.

Re:Brings to mind the old verse.... (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#36051674)

Your joking is bigotted and ignorant.

Schizoprenia and multiple personality *slash* dissociative identity disorder are two completely different things.

I realize, of course, that you didn't write the joke, but you did repeat it.

Geez, lighten up Francis...

Schizophrenimous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36048820)

Schizophrenics do not forget, Schizophrenics do not forgive.

Interesting (3, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#36048824)

I don't quite have schizophrenia, but I do tend to remember a lot and overthink things. Spending time disconnected from digital stimulus (for example, going for a decent walk every day, without bringing your phone) helps give your brain time to process everything.

I'd think the effect of staying always connected is even worse for schizophrenics if this study is correct.

On a different note, Slashdot has finally fixed its fortune cookie generator! Only took something like a week :p

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049012)

What was wrong with it?

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049138)

It was displaying the same quote. For me, at least, it was the one about Linux users being lemmings jumping off the cliff of established paid software.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049862)

Some times it would do stuff it shouldn't do and other times it wouldn't do the right things when it was supposed to. You know how that goes.

Re:Interesting (1, Offtopic)

treeves (963993) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049424)

As for your last sentence, I don't think so. Here's the quote at the bottom of my page right now:

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The question to ask next is what list it is. % You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. % You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!! % You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. % You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. % You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture. % Your aim is high and to the right. % Your aims are high, and you are capable of much. % Your analyst has you mixed up with another patient. Don't believe a thing he tells you. % Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't really worth having. % Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong. % Your boss is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. % Your boyfriend takes chocolate from strangers. % Your business will assume vast proportions. % Your business will go through a period of considerable expansion. % Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways. % Your domestic life may be harmonious. % Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). % Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) % Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. % Your ignorance cramps my conversation. % Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. % Your love life will be happy and harmonious. % Your love life will be... interesting. % Your lover will never wish to leave you. % Your lucky color has faded. % Your lucky number has been disconnected. % Your lucky number is 3552664958674928. Watch for it everywhere. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of good news soon. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new developments. % Your motives for doing whatever good deed you may have in mind will be misinterpreted by somebody. % Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. % Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. % Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. % Your present plans will be successful. % Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. % Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner. % Your sister swims out to meet troop ships. % Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement. % Your step will soil many countries. % Your supervisor is thinking about you. % Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded. % Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. % Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. %

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051822)

Mine showed the same thing untill i set my useragent back to defaut, then it started working.
default ID (gives correct fortune):
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100402 Firefox/3.6.3
spoofed ID (gives huge fortune list, but makes FAFSA site work):
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1)

Re:Interesting (0)

word_virus (838778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049438)

Lol, yeah, except now it's giving me all the fortunes at once. Talk about schizophrenic!

Try the Moo Shu Pork. It is especially good today. % Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance. % Try to have as good a life as you can under the circumstances. % Try to relax and enjoy the crisis. -- Ashleigh Brilliant % Try to value useful qualities in one who loves you. % Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week. % Tuesday is the Wednesday of the rest of your life. % What happened last night can happen again. % While you recently had your problems on the run, they've regrouped and are making another attack. % Write yourself a threatening letter and pen a defiant reply. % You are a bundle of energy, always on the go. % You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. % You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are. % You are always busy. % You are as I am with You. % You are capable of planning your future. % You are confused; but this is your normal state. % You are deeply attached to your friends and acquaintances. % You are destined to become the commandant of the fighting men of the department of transportation. % You are dishonest, but never to the point of hurting a friend. % You are fairminded, just and loving. % You are farsighted, a good planner, an ardent lover, and a faithful friend. % You are fighting for survival in your own sweet and gentle way. % You are going to have a new love affair. % You are magnetic in your bearing. % You are not dead yet. But watch for further reports. % You are number 6! Who is number one? % You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. % You are scrupulously honest, frank, and straightforward. Therefore you have few friends. % You are sick, twisted and perverted. I like that in a person. % You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep. % You are standing on my toes. % You are taking yourself far too seriously. % You are the only person to ever get this message. % You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of trash. % You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity. % You can create your own opportunities this week. Blackmail a senior executive. % You can do very well in speculation where land or anything to do with dirt is concerned. % You can rent this space for only $5 a week. % You could live a better life, if you had a better mind and a better body. % You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. % You dialed 5483. % You display the wonderful traits of charm and courtesy. % You don't become a failure until you're satisfied with being one. % You enjoy the company of other people. % You feel a whole lot more like you do now than you did when you used to. % You fill a much-needed gap. % You get along very well with everyone except animals and people. % You had some happiness once, but your parents moved away, and you had to leave it behind. % You have a deep appreciation of the arts and music. % You have a deep interest in all that is artistic. % You have a reputation for being thoroughly reliable and trustworthy. A pity that it's totally undeserved. % You have a strong appeal for members of the opposite sex. % You have a strong appeal for members of your own sex. % You have a strong desire for a home and your family interests come first. % You have a truly strong individuality. % You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. % You have an ability to sense and know higher truth. % You have an ambitious nature and may make a name for yourself. % You have an unusual equipment for success. Be sure to use it properly. % You have an unusual magnetic personality. Don't walk too close to metal objects which are not fastened down. % You have an unusual understanding of the problems of human relationships. % You have been selected for a secret mission. % You have Egyptian flu: you're going to be a mummy. % You have had a long-term stimulation relative to business. % You have literary talent that you should take pains to develop. % You have many friends and very few living enemies. % You have no real enemies. % You have taken yourself too seriously. % You have the body of a 19 year old. Please return it before it gets wrinkled. % You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today. % You have the power to influence all with whom you come in contact. % You learn to write as if to someone else because NEXT YEAR YOU WILL BE "SOMEONE ELSE." % You like to form new friendships and make new acquaintances. % You look like a million dollars. All green and wrinkled. % You look tired. % You love peace. % You love your home and want it to be beautiful. % You may be gone tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that you weren't here today. % You may be infinitely smaller than some things, but you're infinitely larger than others. % You may be recognized soon. Hide. % You may get an opportunity for advancement today. Watch it! % You may worry about your hair-do today, but tomorrow much peanut butter will be sold. % You need more time; and you probably always will. % You need no longer worry about the future. This time tomorrow you'll be dead. % You never hesitate to tackle the most difficult problems. % You never know how many friends you have until you rent a house on the beach. % You now have Asian Flu. % You own a dog, but you can only feed a cat. % You plan things that you do not even attempt because of your extreme caution. % You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. % You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own. % You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite. % You seek to shield those you love and you like the role of the provider. % You shall be rewarded for a dastardly deed. % You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far. Especially if they are dead. % You should go home. % You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. % You teach best what you most need to learn. % You too can wear a nose mitten. % You two ought to be more careful--your love could drag on for years and years. % You will always get the greatest recognition for the job you least like. % You will always have good luck in your personal affairs. % You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. % You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. % You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part. % You will be aided greatly by a person whom you thought to be unimportant. % You will be attacked by a beast who has the body of a wolf, the tail of a lion, and the face of Donald Duck. % You will be audited by the Internal Revenue Service. % You will be awarded a medal for disregarding safety in saving someone. % You will be awarded some great honor. % You will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize... posthumously. % You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble. % You will be dead within a year. % You will be divorced within a year. % You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. % You will be held hostage by a radical group. % You will be honored for contributing your time and skill to a worthy cause. % You will be imprisoned for contributing your time and skill to a bank robbery. % You will be married within a year, and divorced within two. % You will be married within a year. % You will be misunderstood by everyone. % You will be recognized and honored as a community leader. % You will be reincarnated as a toad; and you will be much happier. % You will be run over by a beer truck. % You will be run over by a bus. % You will be singled out for promotion in your work. % You will be successful in love. % You will be surprised by a loud noise. % You will be surrounded by luxury. % You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. % You will be the victim of a bizarre joke. % You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. % You will be traveling and coming into a fortune. % You will be winged by an anti-aircraft battery. % You will become rich and famous unless you don't. % You will contract a rare disease. % You will engage in a profitable business activity. % You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass. % You will feel hungry again in another hour. % You will forget that you ever knew me. % You will gain money by a fattening action. % You will gain money by a speculation or lottery. % You will gain money by an illegal action. % You will gain money by an immoral action. % You will get what you deserve. % You will give someone a piece of your mind, which you can ill afford. % You will have a long and boring life. % You will have a long and unpleasant discussion with your supervisor. % You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends. % You will have good luck and overcome many hardships. % You will have long and healthy life. % You will hear good news from one you thought unfriendly to you. % You will inherit millions of dollars. % You will inherit some money or a small piece of land. % You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. % You will live to see your grandchildren. % You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. % You will meet an important person who will help you advance professionally. % You will never know hunger. % You will not be elected to public office this year. % You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. % You will outgrow your usefulness. % You will overcome the attacks of jealous associates. % You will pass away very quickly. % You will pay for your sins. If you have already paid, please disregard this message. % You will pioneer the first Martian colony. % You will probably marry after a very brief courtship. % You will reach the highest possible point in your business or profession. % You will receive a legacy which will place you above want. % You will remember something that you should not have forgotten. % You will soon forget this. % You will soon meet a person who will play an important role in your life. % You will step on the night soil of many countries. % You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. % You will triumph over your enemy. % You will visit the Dung Pits of Glive soon. % You will win success in whatever calling you adopt. % You will wish you hadn't. % You work very hard. Don't try to think as well. % You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. % You would if you could but you can't so you won't. % You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. % You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. % You'll be sorry... % You'll feel devilish tonight. Toss dynamite caps under a flamenco dancer's heel. % You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. % You'll never be the man your mother was! % You'll never see all the places, or read all the books, but fortunately, they're not all recommended. % You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do. % You're a card which will have to be dealt with. % You're almost as happy as you think you are. % You're at the end of the road again. % You're being followed. Cut out the hanky-panky for a few days. % You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life." % You're definitely on their list. The question to ask next is what list it is. % You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. % You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!! % You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. % You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. % You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture. % Your aim is high and to the right. % Your aims are high, and you are capable of much. % Your analyst has you mixed up with another patient. Don't believe a thing he tells you. % Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't really worth having. % Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong. % Your boss is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. % Your boyfriend takes chocolate from strangers. % Your business will assume vast proportions. % Your business will go through a period of considerable expansion. % Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways. % Your domestic life may be harmonious. % Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). % Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) % Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. % Your ignorance cramps my conversation. % Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. % Your love life will be happy and harmonious. % Your love life will be... interesting. % Your lover will never wish to leave you. % Your lucky color has faded. % Your lucky number has been disconnected. % Your lucky number is 3552664958674928. Watch for it everywhere. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of good news soon. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new developments. % Your motives for doing whatever good deed you may have in mind will be misinterpreted by somebody. % Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. % Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. % Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. % Your present plans will be successful. % Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. % Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner. % Your sister swims out to meet troop ships. % Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement. % Your step will soil many countries. % Your supervisor is thinking about you. % Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded. % Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. % Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. %

Re:Interesting (1)

Rary (566291) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049450)

On a different note, Slashdot has finally fixed its fortune cookie generator!

You call that fixed?!? I don't know what you're seeing, but over here on my screen, it's currently showing about 200 different quotes all separated by "%". I wouldn't exactly call that "fixed".

I really wish the Slashdot developers would figure out how to set up a separate test environment, rather than just coding directly on the production servers, which seems to be how things are done here.

Re:Interesting (1)

rb12345 (1170423) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049864)

On a different note, Slashdot has finally fixed its fortune cookie generator!

You call that fixed?!? I don't know what you're seeing, but over here on my screen, it's currently showing about 200 different quotes all separated by "%". I wouldn't exactly call that "fixed".

It was unstuck and working here about an hour ago. Now, it's completely broken and showing all of the fortunes.

Re:Interesting (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050082)

It's not all the fortunes.

Matt Welsh is not there!

Re:Interesting (1)

Ancantus (1926920) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049480)

Right now for me its displaying a huge block of fortune file type text, I assume it is displaying the first fortune, then going right passed the % and keeps going till it hits a limit. Well its way better than lemmings, that quote was old the first day.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051514)

Right now for me it is displaying a single line of text that ends with a preposition!

BROKEN!

Remember, a preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with.

(Yes, I did that on purpose).

Re: Rember a lot! (1, Offtopic)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049494)

Uh, the fortune cookie generator exploded on me.

Meanwhile, Hi Mods. this is On Topic because this is what TFA says being schizophrenic and unable to forget is like!

Here we go!
--
Try the Moo Shu Pork. It is especially good today. % Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance. % Try to have as good a life as you can under the circumstances. % Try to relax and enjoy the crisis. -- Ashleigh Brilliant % Try to value useful qualities in one who loves you. % Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week. % Tuesday is the Wednesday of the rest of your life. % What happened last night can happen again. % While you recently had your problems on the run, they've regrouped and are making another attack. % Write yourself a threatening letter and pen a defiant reply. % You are a bundle of energy, always on the go. % You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. % You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are. % You are always busy. % You are as I am with You. % You are capable of planning your future. % You are confused; but this is your normal state. % You are deeply attached to your friends and acquaintances. % You are destined to become the commandant of the fighting men of the department of transportation. % You are dishonest, but never to the point of hurting a friend. % You are fairminded, just and loving. % You are farsighted, a good planner, an ardent lover, and a faithful friend. % You are fighting for survival in your own sweet and gentle way. % You are going to have a new love affair. % You are magnetic in your bearing. % You are not dead yet. But watch for further reports. % You are number 6! Who is number one? % You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. % You are scrupulously honest, frank, and straightforward. Therefore you have few friends. % You are sick, twisted and perverted. I like that in a person. % You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep. % You are standing on my toes. % You are taking yourself far too seriously. % You are the only person to ever get this message. % You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of trash. % You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity. % You can create your own opportunities this week. Blackmail a senior executive. % You can do very well in speculation where land or anything to do with dirt is concerned. % You can rent this space for only $5 a week. % You could live a better life, if you had a better mind and a better body. % You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. % You dialed 5483. % You display the wonderful traits of charm and courtesy. % You don't become a failure until you're satisfied with being one. % You enjoy the company of other people. % You feel a whole lot more like you do now than you did when you used to. % You fill a much-needed gap. % You get along very well with everyone except animals and people. % You had some happiness once, but your parents moved away, and you had to leave it behind. % You have a deep appreciation of the arts and music. % You have a deep interest in all that is artistic. % You have a reputation for being thoroughly reliable and trustworthy. A pity that it's totally undeserved. % You have a strong appeal for members of the opposite sex. % You have a strong appeal for members of your own sex. % You have a strong desire for a home and your family interests come first. % You have a truly strong individuality. % You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. % You have an ability to sense and know higher truth. % You have an ambitious nature and may make a name for yourself. % You have an unusual equipment for success. Be sure to use it properly. % You have an unusual magnetic personality. Don't walk too close to metal objects which are not fastened down. % You have an unusual understanding of the problems of human relationships. % You have been selected for a secret mission. % You have Egyptian flu: you're going to be a mummy. % You have had a long-term stimulation relative to business. % You have literary talent that you should take pains to develop. % You have many friends and very few living enemies. % You have no real enemies. % You have taken yourself too seriously. % You have the body of a 19 year old. Please return it before it gets wrinkled. % You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today. % You have the power to influence all with whom you come in contact. % You learn to write as if to someone else because NEXT YEAR YOU WILL BE "SOMEONE ELSE." % You like to form new friendships and make new acquaintances. % You look like a million dollars. All green and wrinkled. % You look tired. % You love peace. % You love your home and want it to be beautiful. % You may be gone tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that you weren't here today. % You may be infinitely smaller than some things, but you're infinitely larger than others. % You may be recognized soon. Hide. % You may get an opportunity for advancement today. Watch it! % You may worry about your hair-do today, but tomorrow much peanut butter will be sold. % You need more time; and you probably always will. % You need no longer worry about the future. This time tomorrow you'll be dead. % You never hesitate to tackle the most difficult problems. % You never know how many friends you have until you rent a house on the beach. % You now have Asian Flu. % You own a dog, but you can only feed a cat. % You plan things that you do not even attempt because of your extreme caution. % You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. % You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own. % You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite. % You seek to shield those you love and you like the role of the provider. % You shall be rewarded for a dastardly deed. % You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far. Especially if they are dead. % You should go home. % You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. % You teach best what you most need to learn. % You too can wear a nose mitten. % You two ought to be more careful--your love could drag on for years and years. % You will always get the greatest recognition for the job you least like. % You will always have good luck in your personal affairs. % You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. % You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. % You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part. % You will be aided greatly by a person whom you thought to be unimportant. % You will be attacked by a beast who has the body of a wolf, the tail of a lion, and the face of Donald Duck. % You will be audited by the Internal Revenue Service. % You will be awarded a medal for disregarding safety in saving someone. % You will be awarded some great honor. % You will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize... posthumously. % You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble. % You will be dead within a year. % You will be divorced within a year. % You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. % You will be held hostage by a radical group. % You will be honored for contributing your time and skill to a worthy cause. % You will be imprisoned for contributing your time and skill to a bank robbery. % You will be married within a year, and divorced within two. % You will be married within a year. % You will be misunderstood by everyone. % You will be recognized and honored as a community leader. % You will be reincarnated as a toad; and you will be much happier. % You will be run over by a beer truck. % You will be run over by a bus. % You will be singled out for promotion in your work. % You will be successful in love. % You will be surprised by a loud noise. % You will be surrounded by luxury. % You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. % You will be the victim of a bizarre joke. % You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. % You will be traveling and coming into a fortune. % You will be winged by an anti-aircraft battery. % You will become rich and famous unless you don't. % You will contract a rare disease. % You will engage in a profitable business activity. % You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass. % You will feel hungry again in another hour. % You will forget that you ever knew me. % You will gain money by a fattening action. % You will gain money by a speculation or lottery. % You will gain money by an illegal action. % You will gain money by an immoral action. % You will get what you deserve. % You will give someone a piece of your mind, which you can ill afford. % You will have a long and boring life. % You will have a long and unpleasant discussion with your supervisor. % You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends. % You will have good luck and overcome many hardships. % You will have long and healthy life. % You will hear good news from one you thought unfriendly to you. % You will inherit millions of dollars. % You will inherit some money or a small piece of land. % You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. % You will live to see your grandchildren. % You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. % You will meet an important person who will help you advance professionally. % You will never know hunger. % You will not be elected to public office this year. % You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. % You will outgrow your usefulness. % You will overcome the attacks of jealous associates. % You will pass away very quickly. % You will pay for your sins. If you have already paid, please disregard this message. % You will pioneer the first Martian colony. % You will probably marry after a very brief courtship. % You will reach the highest possible point in your business or profession. % You will receive a legacy which will place you above want. % You will remember something that you should not have forgotten. % You will soon forget this. % You will soon meet a person who will play an important role in your life. % You will step on the night soil of many countries. % You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. % You will triumph over your enemy. % You will visit the Dung Pits of Glive soon. % You will win success in whatever calling you adopt. % You will wish you hadn't. % You work very hard. Don't try to think as well. % You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. % You would if you could but you can't so you won't. % You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. % You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. % You'll be sorry... % You'll feel devilish tonight. Toss dynamite caps under a flamenco dancer's heel. % You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. % You'll never be the man your mother was! % You'll never see all the places, or read all the books, but fortunately, they're not all recommended. % You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do. % You're a card which will have to be dealt with. % You're almost as happy as you think you are. % You're at the end of the road again. % You're being followed. Cut out the hanky-panky for a few days. % You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life." % You're definitely on their list. The question to ask next is what list it is. % You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. % You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!! % You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. % You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. % You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture. % Your aim is high and to the right. % Your aims are high, and you are capable of much. % Your analyst has you mixed up with another patient. Don't believe a thing he tells you. % Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't really worth having. % Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong. % Your boss is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. % Your boyfriend takes chocolate from strangers. % Your business will assume vast proportions. % Your business will go through a period of considerable expansion. % Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways. % Your domestic life may be harmonious. % Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). % Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) % Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. % Your ignorance cramps my conversation. % Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. % Your love life will be happy and harmonious. % Your love life will be... interesting. % Your lover will never wish to leave you. % Your lucky color has faded. % Your lucky number has been disconnected. % Your lucky number is 3552664958674928. Watch for it everywhere. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of good news soon. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new developments. % Your motives for doing whatever good deed you may have in mind will be misinterpreted by somebody. % Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. % Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. % Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. % Your present plans will be successful. % Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. % Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner. % Your sister swims out to meet troop ships. % Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement. % Your step will soil many countries. % Your supervisor is thinking about you. % Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded. % Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. % Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. %

Re: Rember a lot! (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049802)

Meanwhile, Hi Mods. this is On Topic because this is what TFA says being schizophrenic and unable to forget is like!

One more reason to be wary of any organization excessively collecting data. One day they will become schizophrenic, if they aren't already.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050426)

On a different note, Slashdot has finally fixed its fortune cookie generator! Only took something like a week :p

Talk for yourself, what I see now is:

Try the Moo Shu Pork. It is especially good today. % Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance. % Try to have as good a life as you can under the circumstances. % Try to relax and enjoy the crisis. -- Ashleigh Brilliant % Try to value useful qualities in one who loves you. % Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week. % Tuesday is the Wednesday of the rest of your life. % What happened last night can happen again. % While you recently had your problems on the run, they've regrouped and are making another attack. % Write yourself a threatening letter and pen a defiant reply. % You are a bundle of energy, always on the go. % You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. % You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are. % You are always busy. % You are as I am with You. % You are capable of planning your future. % You are confused; but this is your normal state. % You are deeply attached to your friends and acquaintances. % You are destined to become the commandant of the fighting men of the department of transportation. % You are dishonest, but never to the point of hurting a friend. % You are fairminded, just and loving. % You are farsighted, a good planner, an ardent lover, and a faithful friend. % You are fighting for survival in your own sweet and gentle way. % You are going to have a new love affair. % You are magnetic in your bearing. % You are not dead yet. But watch for further reports. % You are number 6! Who is number one? % You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. % You are scrupulously honest, frank, and straightforward. Therefore you have few friends. % You are sick, twisted and perverted. I like that in a person. % You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep. % You are standing on my toes. % You are taking yourself far too seriously. % You are the only person to ever get this message. % You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of trash. % You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity. % You can create your own opportunities this week. Blackmail a senior executive. % You can do very well in speculation where land or anything to do with dirt is concerned. % You can rent this space for only $5 a week. % You could live a better life, if you had a better mind and a better body. % You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. % You dialed 5483. % You display the wonderful traits of charm and courtesy. % You don't become a failure until you're satisfied with being one. % You enjoy the company of other people. % You feel a whole lot more like you do now than you did when you used to. % You fill a much-needed gap. % You get along very well with everyone except animals and people. % You had some happiness once, but your parents moved away, and you had to leave it behind. % You have a deep appreciation of the arts and music. % You have a deep interest in all that is artistic. % You have a reputation for being thoroughly reliable and trustworthy. A pity that it's totally undeserved. % You have a strong appeal for members of the opposite sex. % You have a strong appeal for members of your own sex. % You have a strong desire for a home and your family interests come first. % You have a truly strong individuality. % You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. % You have an ability to sense and know higher truth. % You have an ambitious nature and may make a name for yourself. % You have an unusual equipment for success. Be sure to use it properly. % You have an unusual magnetic personality. Don't walk too close to metal objects which are not fastened down. % You have an unusual understanding of the problems of human relationships. % You have been selected for a secret mission. % You have Egyptian flu: you're going to be a mummy. % You have had a long-term stimulation relative to business. % You have literary talent that you should take pains to develop. % You have many friends and very few living enemies. % You have no real enemies. % You have taken yourself too seriously. % You have the body of a 19 year old. Please return it before it gets wrinkled. % You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today. % You have the power to influence all with whom you come in contact. % You learn to write as if to someone else because NEXT YEAR YOU WILL BE "SOMEONE ELSE." % You like to form new friendships and make new acquaintances. % You look like a million dollars. All green and wrinkled. % You look tired. % You love peace. % You love your home and want it to be beautiful. % You may be gone tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that you weren't here today. % You may be infinitely smaller than some things, but you're infinitely larger than others. % You may be recognized soon. Hide. % You may get an opportunity for advancement today. Watch it! % You may worry about your hair-do today, but tomorrow much peanut butter will be sold. % You need more time; and you probably always will. % You need no longer worry about the future. This time tomorrow you'll be dead. % You never hesitate to tackle the most difficult problems. % You never know how many friends you have until you rent a house on the beach. % You now have Asian Flu. % You own a dog, but you can only feed a cat. % You plan things that you do not even attempt because of your extreme caution. % You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. % You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own. % You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite. % You seek to shield those you love and you like the role of the provider. % You shall be rewarded for a dastardly deed. % You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far. Especially if they are dead. % You should go home. % You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. % You teach best what you most need to learn. % You too can wear a nose mitten. % You two ought to be more careful--your love could drag on for years and years. % You will always get the greatest recognition for the job you least like. % You will always have good luck in your personal affairs. % You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. % You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. % You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part. % You will be aided greatly by a person whom you thought to be unimportant. % You will be attacked by a beast who has the body of a wolf, the tail of a lion, and the face of Donald Duck. % You will be audited by the Internal Revenue Service. % You will be awarded a medal for disregarding safety in saving someone. % You will be awarded some great honor. % You will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize... posthumously. % You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble. % You will be dead within a year. % You will be divorced within a year. % You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. % You will be held hostage by a radical group. % You will be honored for contributing your time and skill to a worthy cause. % You will be imprisoned for contributing your time and skill to a bank robbery. % You will be married within a year, and divorced within two. % You will be married within a year. % You will be misunderstood by everyone. % You will be recognized and honored as a community leader. % You will be reincarnated as a toad; and you will be much happier. % You will be run over by a beer truck. % You will be run over by a bus. % You will be singled out for promotion in your work. % You will be successful in love. % You will be surprised by a loud noise. % You will be surrounded by luxury. % You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. % You will be the victim of a bizarre joke. % You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. % You will be traveling and coming into a fortune. % You will be winged by an anti-aircraft battery. % You will become rich and famous unless you don't. % You will contract a rare disease. % You will engage in a profitable business activity. % You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass. % You will feel hungry again in another hour. % You will forget that you ever knew me. % You will gain money by a fattening action. % You will gain money by a speculation or lottery. % You will gain money by an illegal action. % You will gain money by an immoral action. % You will get what you deserve. % You will give someone a piece of your mind, which you can ill afford. % You will have a long and boring life. % You will have a long and unpleasant discussion with your supervisor. % You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends. % You will have good luck and overcome many hardships. % You will have long and healthy life. % You will hear good news from one you thought unfriendly to you. % You will inherit millions of dollars. % You will inherit some money or a small piece of land. % You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. % You will live to see your grandchildren. % You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. % You will meet an important person who will help you advance professionally. % You will never know hunger. % You will not be elected to public office this year. % You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. % You will outgrow your usefulness. % You will overcome the attacks of jealous associates. % You will pass away very quickly. % You will pay for your sins. If you have already paid, please disregard this message. % You will pioneer the first Martian colony. % You will probably marry after a very brief courtship. % You will reach the highest possible point in your business or profession. % You will receive a legacy which will place you above want. % You will remember something that you should not have forgotten. % You will soon forget this. % You will soon meet a person who will play an important role in your life. % You will step on the night soil of many countries. % You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. % You will triumph over your enemy. % You will visit the Dung Pits of Glive soon. % You will win success in whatever calling you adopt. % You will wish you hadn't. % You work very hard. Don't try to think as well. % You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. % You would if you could but you can't so you won't. % You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. % You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. % You'll be sorry... % You'll feel devilish tonight. Toss dynamite caps under a flamenco dancer's heel. % You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. % You'll never be the man your mother was! % You'll never see all the places, or read all the books, but fortunately, they're not all recommended. % You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do. % You're a card which will have to be dealt with. % You're almost as happy as you think you are. % You're at the end of the road again. % You're being followed. Cut out the hanky-panky for a few days. % You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life." % You're definitely on their list. The question to ask next is what list it is. % You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. % You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!! % You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. % You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. % You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture. % Your aim is high and to the right. % Your aims are high, and you are capable of much. % Your analyst has you mixed up with another patient. Don't believe a thing he tells you. % Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't really worth having. % Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong. % Your boss is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. % Your boyfriend takes chocolate from strangers. % Your business will assume vast proportions. % Your business will go through a period of considerable expansion. % Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways. % Your domestic life may be harmonious. % Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). % Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) % Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. % Your ignorance cramps my conversation. % Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. % Your love life will be happy and harmonious. % Your love life will be... interesting. % Your lover will never wish to leave you. % Your lucky color has faded. % Your lucky number has been disconnected. % Your lucky number is 3552664958674928. Watch for it everywhere. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of good news soon. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new developments. % Your motives for doing whatever good deed you may have in mind will be misinterpreted by somebody. % Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. % Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. % Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. % Your present plans will be successful. % Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. % Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner. % Your sister swims out to meet troop ships. % Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement. % Your step will soil many countries. % Your supervisor is thinking about you. % Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded. % Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. % Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. %/quote

Unexpected implications (2, Funny)

Zephyn (415698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36048844)

"which posits that people suffering from schizophrenia have brains that lose the ability to forget or ignore as much as they normally would."

So the fact that it sometimes takes me twenty minutes to find my keys in the morning is a sign that I'm sane? That's oddly comforting.

Re:Unexpected implications (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049100)

It just mean that you have a different mental disease.

Re:Unexpected implications (1)

kurzweilfreak (829276) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049684)

The KEYS go in the KEY BOOOOWL.

This should be easy to fix (1, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36048856)

Just tell the Schizophrenics the hop count of their crazy idea is 16. Yet another problem solved with poison reverse.

Re:This should be easy to fix (1)

GaratNW (978516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050826)

This is really just a ploy to develop cheaper virtual machines. "No copy of Windows needed! Your Mac just THINKS it's Windows"

Re:This should be easy to fix (1)

doshell (757915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36051248)

I know you jest, but poison reverse does not refer to truncating the hop count. It means not announcing your route to the neighbor you learned it from (which, by the way, alone is not enough to ensure convergence of the routing protocol).

Re:This should be easy to fix (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36051412)

No it refers to actually increasing the hop count and telling your neighbors about it. You increase it to infinity, which is 16 in RIP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_poisoning [wikipedia.org]

Wait, what? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36048884)

Since when is installing Windows news? And shouldn't scientists know better?

River Tam. (0)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 3 years ago | (#36048898)

While the actual terms were likely off -- "stripped her amygdala" doesn't make a lot of sense -- this sounds like exactly what River Tam is supposed to have.

Teaching this to computers doesn't seem like a great idea, though. "This was a triumph" indeed.

Re:River Tam. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049152)

two by two hands of blue... two by two hands of blue... two by two hands of blue...

Seems to match what my shrink said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36048920)

But including the above description she commented 'you're quite disconnected from reality' :D

At least it's not Alzhemier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36048960)

What's next, computers with dementia? Wait, computer virus has already turned computers into Alzheimer patients... :P

Re:At least it's not Alzhemier... (1)

sorak (246725) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049878)

What's next, computers with dementia? Wait, computer virus has already turned computers into Alzheimer patients... :P

Why not. If you can perfectly replicate the problem, you now have a better understanding of what the problem is, and a way to test for possible solutions.

Schizo computers a victory. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049000)

Artificial human intelligence at last!!!

very good info (1)

poetri (2119282) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049046)

very good info. make the analogy of schizophrenia with a computer network

Re:very good info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36052020)

Ever cross-linked two subnets when your switches have no STP support?

Bonus points if the two connect points are far apart enough (and the routing complex enough) that the arp broadcasts can cause ripples instead of simply a cascading failure.

so a schizo computer would... (1)

cellocgw (617879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049078)

Maybe:
% rm /tmp
I"m sorry, Dave, I can't do that.

Re:so a schizo computer would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049198)

umount /tmp && rmdir /tmp

First link is quite entertaining read (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049080)

"In one answer, for instance, DISCERN claimed responsibility for a terrorist bombing."

Interesting methodology. I doubt though that it has a relationship to real schizo.

Hyperlearning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049172)

Hyperlearning? Does that mean hordes of slashdotters are going to read this and think, "Wow! That's me 'coz I'm just so clever!"

Cool so installing Windows makes one a Scientist (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049224)

Cool so installing Windows makes one a Scientist

Spirit Law (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049230)

I always was taught that it was the spirit law rejecting someone with bad inbreeding or deformed sexuality. Natures immune system. I think this article is a misdirect by someone from a social minority.

Joker? (1)

teidou (651247) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049232)

Sometimes I wonder how people develop their hypotheses. In this case, I'm wonder whether one of the researchers may have been struck by Morrison's Joker in the Batman Comic Arkham Asylum - in which a researcher describes the joker as hyper-sane, unable to filter out stimulus from the world around. Hmm.

Re:Joker? (1)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049968)

I assume they studied the brains of schizophrenics, found they were producing a lot more dopamine than normal and then tried to figure out what that would do to a person based on what purposes dopamine serves and what symptoms could possibly be caused by those purposed going into overdrive.

Re:Joker? (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36052148)

It's been pretty well established that schizophrenics are rarely truly incapable of communication, just that frequently they encode the messages in an ad hoc register known only to them. I remember my abnormal psych book quoting patients that had been doing that prior to treatment. I've found that it's been fairly accurate in the limited number of people I've met that communicate like that. But if you've got access to the code book you can often times decode the speech. It's not easy because it requires a lot of working memory, but the speech is usually not completely incomprehensible. Of course it really depends which type of schizophrenia you're referring to.

The communication style itself depends heavily upon a large memory capacity and increased ability to infer meaning. I don't personally have enough experience dealing with folks with schizophrenia to really know how accurate that perception is, but my observations would definitely be consistent with that.

I also spent a period schizoaffective and my memory back then was a lot better than it is now. I'd rarely if ever forget anything, and I'm still haunted by that. It's inherently unsettling to find that somebody you sat on the same bus with several months previous has been gunned down in a murder suicide.

I wouldn't care to suggest a causal relation there, but as my social interactions improved my memory eventually started to diminish. Oddly enough, I also started to dream at night rather than during the day.

Lamers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049240)

There is no such thing as schizophrenia

I don't think so! (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049246)

So these "Scientists" think the problem with "schizophrenic" people is they can't forget enough eh? I think the problem is what we CAN remember that no one else can. What's next? You're going to start wiping our memories for us? You already TRIED THAT!!!! IT DIDN'T WORK DID IT?!?! If you think I'm getting on that damned ship again and going to the pyramid, you're wrong. Johns told me about your plan and I'm on to you! The four corner day will supplant your illusion of euclidean time. ALL HAIL THE TIME CUBE!!!!! http://www.timecube.com/

I've done that for years.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049262)

It's called installing Windows Me.

Actually windows 95 and 98 were not much better....

Shmoocon (1)

Mysteray (713473) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049266)

Cool, I'd proposed something along this line of research in a talk I gave at Shmoocon this year [shmoocon.org] .

OK I'll go read TFA now.

I'm sorry, Dave... (1)

siglercm (6059) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049288)

... I'm afraid I can't help you with your research on schizophrenia....

Re:I'm sorry, Dave... (1)

Charles Dodgeson (248492) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049452)

I have every confidence in the research program.

Neal Stephenson wrote a short story about this... (1)

KeatonMill (566621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049306)

It's really quite excellent -- and vaguely linked to his Cryptonomicon universe...

http://www.vanemden.com/books/neals/jipi.html [vanemden.com]

I've heard something like that before (5, Interesting)

Broolucks (1978922) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049542)

I find the summary a bit confusing, though. What I have heard before is that the schizophrenic brain is poor at filtering out stimuli, meaning that unimportant details will stand out as much as important ones. For instance, it might have trouble filtering out ambient noise, so whereas a normal brain will cut off processing early on, a schizophrenic brain will process the noise the same way it would process salient, meaningful sounds. So what might happen is that the phoneme processing part of the brain will receive ambient noise as input and will make out voices and whispers out of it, because that is its job, and then these will be manipulated and interpreted as a conversation - maybe neighbors plotting against you, because why else would you be paying attention?

Stimuli that should never make it past saliency processing get dispatched to the brain, which assumes that if it got this far, it must be meaningful (this is normally a fair assumption). From then on, it will "learn" to find meaning in noise, hence visual or auditive hallucinations, delusions, etc. From what I can gather, this study shows that an excess of dopamine could inhibit normal filtering functions, hence the "hyperlearning" on stimuli that should be thrown out, but isn't.

Re:I've heard something like that before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050368)

On the train this morning I heard 3 people talking. The English speaker made perfect sense. The woman speaking Japanese said "ame ho-ga.." (If it rains...) that I recalled from a class years ago & other things. Someone spoke on the phone is a South Asian language that was "ambient noise". Why didn't I think that Indian lady was plotting against me? Only she was unintelligible & her stimuli reached my brain.

Also, where is this "saliency processing" center that dispatches stimuli to the brain? I thought all sensory awareness occurred inside the brain. For example, a deaf person may be able to connect cochlear implants to the nerves that send hearing to the brain. Without your external "saliency processing" center that would not work.

Re:I've heard something like that before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051860)

From a subjective standpoint it is a consciously rational decision. It would feel as innocuous as thinking you've figured out another player's tell midway through a poker game. Your brain realizes that buddy scratches his forehead and then either folds or wins uncalled. It pops up as a conscious revelation. So you start change your betting strategy. You don't realize he was bitten by a mosquito fifteen minutes earlier on the porch. You are making meaningful information out of unimportant stimuli. Lather, rinse, repeat.

REALITY: SCHIZOPHRENIA REDUCES MEMORY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049596)

The Negative Symptoms of Schizophrenia result in Apathy, Lack of Motivation, and General Disorganized Thinking. Those patients I know who have this illness DON'T remember many things. In fact, they require regular "reminders" of the things that they ought to remember. I think this Notion that people who have this Illness "never forget" is not founded in fact. There is no evidence to support this hypothesis or notion.

Re:REALITY: SCHIZOPHRENIA REDUCES MEMORY (2)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049752)

I don't think that they're saying that episodic memory improves from hyper-learning. A 'normal' brain throws out most of the information it receives in the process of highlighting the important, useful information that's incident on the brain's circuitry. Because of this ability, the brain is able to create a coherent narrative for itself.

The scientists are saying that, in schizophrenic brains, what ends up being remembered is not this useful information. Instead, the wrong information is selected by the neural circuits such that the wrong information ends up encoded in long-term memory. This information is selected as being just as important, or even more important, in the episodic 'story' than practical information, such as, for example, the reminders that you point out they forget. The end result is that the long-term memories end up being incoherent.

So it's an issue of hyper-learning everything, not just what's important. If it was simply increased salience for what was important, that would be usefully improved memory. Also, while the symptoms of schizophrenia that you point out are correct, those are the outward psychological symptoms. These scientists are exploring what happens neurologically, at the level of individual neurons.

Re:REALITY: SCHIZOPHRENIA REDUCES MEMORY (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049900)

The Negative Symptoms of Schizophrenia result in Apathy, Lack of Motivation, and General Disorganized Thinking. Those patients I know who have this illness DON'T remember many things. In fact, they require regular "reminders" of the things that they ought to remember. I think this Notion that people who have this Illness "never forget" is not founded in fact. There is no evidence to support this hypothesis or notion.

That needn't be a contradiction. It could be just the same as in the physical world: The more stuff you keep, the harder it gets to find the stuff you want. If there's nothing else on your table, the paper saying "don't forget to buy a birthday present for $SOMEONE" will stand out, and every time you look at the table, you'll be reminded of this. OTOH, if the table is full of different papers, you'll likely not notice that one with the important reminder on it. It's almost as if it weren't there.

Re:REALITY: SCHIZOPHRENIA REDUCES MEMORY (1)

overlordofmu (1422163) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050382)

You do realize that the psychiatric grouping of deseases called "schizophrenia" include many different physical illnesses that may be completely unrelated, right?

You realize that negative symptom form and positive symptom form of schizophrenia can be completely different in their underlying physical causes and are only the same desease in the minds of the psychiatrist/psychologist? You realize that the old person with an atrophied brain and a young person with a chemical imbalance show different symptoms of schizophrenia because they don't have the same desease? One has negative symptoms because he is missing large portions of brain tissue and the other has positive symptoms because his intact brain is not working correctly. Both are called "schizophrenia" even though they are different illnesses.

You do realize we are still in a dark age when it comes to psychiatry, right?

You do? Good. I was just checking.

Re:REALITY: SCHIZOPHRENIA REDUCES MEMORY (1)

John Allsup (987) | more than 3 years ago | (#36052392)

And similar things can be said for Bipoler Disorder(s). I've often described psychiatry as a quasi-religious, pseudo-scientific cult that believes in drugs. Big Pharma knows it is in their interest to maintain that situation. Arguing with a psychiatrist can often seem like trying to debate evolution with a hardcore creationist.

Re:REALITY: SCHIZOPHRENIA REDUCES MEMORY (1)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050896)

I don't think they are necessarily writing about large-scale organized memory, like learning.

But perhaps small-scale memories in groups of brain cells?

For instance, suppose you hear a bell ring briefly, but then after it stops, you continue to hear an intense memory of it in your head as a kind of after image, which mixes in with new sounds that you are hearing.

The result is chaos.

Speaking of computers with schizophrenia... (1)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049688)

Did Slashdot's fortune thing at the bottom of the page just totally wig out?

Re:Speaking of computers with schizophrenia... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36052174)

Looks fine to me. Say, when's your next appointment with your psychiatrist?

So, it's the opposite of Amnesia? (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049796)

Yes, I know it's not THE opposite, but that's what it sounds like to me.

BTW, what's with the 5000 fortune cookies showing up in the footer of slashdot?!?

Slashdot's fortune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36049894)

Is this what just happened to Slashdot's "fortune" footer?

Forgetting dreams (1)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049950)

The problem with schizo people is not that they have too many "normal" memories. But that they remember too much of the "wrong" things.

Have you ever woken up from a dream, and had difficulty, at least for a few moments, figuring out what is real and what is not? After those few moments, your mind clears, and you realize that your dream made no sense at all, and you wonder how you could have ever thought it was real. By the time you finish breakfast, the dream is forgotten.

This is what schizophrenia is like. Except your mind doesn't clear, you don't forget, and you don't stop dreaming when you wake up. I think the cure to schizophrenia will come when we find the brain's "time to wake up" switch, and figure out why it doesn't always work.

Re:Forgetting dreams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050218)

Possibly related to recent report on proof rat brains that are tired partially sleep and that it causes temporary memory loss or distraction. I know working too long or hard with specific stimuli tends to trigger strong dreams of that work and sometimes the actual work causes a trance like state while performing it. Also (though it sounds like stupid excuses to ignore monsters in B movies), weeks of working on big important projects tends to cause small hallucinations, etc. and feelings of altered reality.

Re:Forgetting dreams (2)

John Allsup (987) | more than 3 years ago | (#36052424)

I've been on antipsychotics for a while, and I can attest to the fact that my memory is significantly worse than before I was on them. Part of the action against schizophrenia (not me, since I am diagnosed bipolar) seems to be reducing what you can recall in the hope of reducing the disruptive memories that one could think that schizophrenics recall. That said, far too little is known about mental health issues for anybody (professional or otherwise) to really say anything concrete.

Schizophrenia simplified for dogma-logic[1+1...=0] (1)

OldHawk777 (19923) | more than 3 years ago | (#36049980)

Schizophrenia is a chronic physical (brain) illness, due to brain (nature/nurture) structure and/or chemistry.

To compare schizophrenia a human malady to fycked-up technology application is sick. Texas universities probably have creationist classes and students believing amazon, sony, and pc/tablet crash, because it is godddd's will. As always, "Reality is self-induced hallucination."

If a university wants to model a schizophrenic state using technology after we have proof of the physical causes, then there is some research value.

Schizophrenia is a physical illness just like kidney stones, cancer, flu.... The insurance companies are happy to call it a mental illness to avoid providing lifetime coverage of a transient or chronic physical condition.

IMO: I am not a MHP/researcher, about one in three people have transient schizophrenic states (many politicians, C*Os, clerics) that allow them to excel at social skills and fail often with moral/ethic situations [they can always blame someone or godddd].

Re:Schizophrenia simplified for dogma-logic[1+1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36050942)

They're modeling their hypothesis, which appears to be that "hyperlearning" (abstraction) results in schizophrenia. Tons of research has been done/is currently ongoing into learning and memory processes, the physical process you are referring to. They're working the issue from a different angle.
Besides, what's the difference between a mental state and a physical brain state, anyways?

Re:Schizophrenia simplified for dogma-logic[1+1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051376)

I think you are off your meds.

Re:Schizophrenia simplified for dogma-logic[1+1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051382)

This is Slashdot. RTFA, _then_ lay out your argument based on lazy geographic stereotypes and half baked logic.

Forgetting ~~ stabilizing negative feedback? (2)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36050848)

It sounds like too much remembering induces positive feedback in the brain's pathways which lead to unstable oscillations. Forgetting is then required in order to dampen the system and stabilize it.

If the brain remembers too much, it's possibly not the new stimuli which overwhelm it, but the combination of new stimuli plus the remembered information being replayed, all made worse by feedback paths.

Just a wild-assed hypothesis.

Connectionism and encoding meaning (1)

gedankenhoren (2001086) | more than 3 years ago | (#36051544)

I posted the following comment on neuroskeptic about this article:
`"Noteworthy was the high frequency of agent-slotting exchanges between the hospital boss, Joe, and the Mafia boss, Vito, and parallel confusions between the “I” self-reference and underling Mafia members, suggesting generalization of boss/underling relationships."

For the model to recognize these types of relationships, the authors would have had to explicitly tag these agents as possessing either these qualities the constituent elements of these qualities. In either case, it's easy to imagine post-hoc biases in the model's "memory encoder" that generate just-so results without actually reflecting the biological or theoretical underpinnings.
How these relationships are assessed by the "memory encoder" and the "story parser" has much to do with the way features are associated with lexemes. From http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/?miikkulainen:phd [utexas.edu] :
"Processing in DISCERN is based on hierarchically-organized backpropagation modules, communicating through a central lexicon of word representations. The lexicon is a double feature map, which transforms the orthographic word symbol into its semantic representation and vice versa."`
(http://neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2011/04/schizophrenic-computer.html)

A judgement of this article depends largely on whether the parser assigns meaning with a result (at the very least, or, given that the goal is to model schizophrenia, in a way) that's compatible with the output (or processes) of human linguistic cognition.

Did they do mine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36051704)

Can they afflict them back? I am trying to work here.

Silly model of "hyperlearning" (1)

oergiR (992541) | more than 3 years ago | (#36052260)

This paper shows why psychologists should not touch computers, let alone write papers about it. Hyperlearning may be a cause of schizophrenia in people, but this paper shows nothing of the sort. The learning rate in artificial neural nets determines a step size for the optimisation of a function. You need small steps because at each step the learning algorithm (gradient descent [wikipedia.org] , or error backpropagation in this case) assumes that the function is linear. So neurons in the human brain assume piecewise linear behaviour in their neighbours? Of course not. The authors are just clueless about the mathematical model that they use.
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