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CNET Sued Over LimeWire Client Downloads

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the seeing-what-sticks dept.

Piracy 206

suraj.sun writes with this quote from Ars Technica: "Alki David, the wealthy film producer and entrepreneur behind sites like FilmOn, has sued CNET and its owner, CBS, for providing hundreds of millions of downloads of LimeWire P2P software over the last decade. He argues that CNET had 'direct participation in massive copyright infringement on peer-to-peer systems, such as LimeWire, that are used to copy and distribute songs, films and other artistic works,' and that CNET's Download.com was the 'main distributor' of the software. P2P software isn't illegal, though companies that use it to induce or encourage copyright infringement can be held liable. The principle, most famously articulated by the US Supreme Court in the Grokster shutdown, was extended to LimeWire last year when a federal judge shut down most of the company's activity."

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However (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049332)

Last time I updated Company of Heros, P2P is the only way I could get the patches. From the publisher.

Maybe they should cut out the middle men and sue ARPA for creating the internet?

Re:However (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049390)

Shouldn't that be Al Gore ? ...

Re:However (0)

frostmages (2115310) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049536)

Speaking of Al Gore, why does slashdot have this huge blob in the footer. Has someone been naugthy and running development code on live server? wink wink

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Re:However (0, Offtopic)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049626)

Somebody's tinkering trying to fix the broken fortune that hasn't changed for weeks. I got this one earlier:

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Ohg V srry *orggre* sbe qbvat vg." -- Oehpr Srvefgrva, "Avpr Thlf Fyrrc Nybar" % Ng gur ubfcvgny, n qbpgbe vf genvavat na vagrea ba ubj gb naabhapr onq arjf gb gur cngvragf. Gur qbpgbe gryyf gur vagrea "Guvf zna va 305 vf tbvat gb qvr va fvk zbaguf. Tb va naq gryy uvz." Gur vagrea obyqyl jnyxf vagb gur ebbz, bire gb gur zna'f orqvfqr naq gryyf uvz "Frrzf yvxr lbh'er tbaan qvr!" Gur zna unf n urneg nggnpx naq vf ehfurq vagb fhetrel ba gur fcbg. Gur qbpgbe tenof gur vagrea naq fpernzf ng uvz, "Jung!?!? ner lbh fbzr xvaq bs zbeba? Lbh'ir tbg gb gnxr vg rnfl, jbex lbhe jnl hc gb gur fhowrpg. Abj guvf zna va 213 unf nobhg n jrrx gb yvir. Tb va naq gryy uvz, ohg, tragyl, lbh urne zr, tragyl!" Gur vagrea tbrf fbsgyl vagb gur ebbz, uhzzvat gb uvzfrys, purrevyl bcraf gur qencrf gb yrg gur fha va, jnyxf bire gb gur zna'f orqfvqr, syhssf uvf cvyybj naq jvfurf uvz n "Tbbq zbeavat!" "Jbaqreshy qnl, ab? Fnl... thrff jub'f tbvat gb qvr fbba!" % Or n orggre cflpuvngevfg naq gur jbeyq jvyy orng n cflpubcngu gb lbhe qbbe. % Orggre gb hfr zrqvpvarf ng gur bhgfrg guna ng gur ynfg zbzrag. % Pregnva byq zra cersre gb evfr ng qnja, gnxvat n pbyq ongu naq n ybat jnyx jvgu na rzcgl fgbznpu naq bgurejvfr zbegvslvat gur syrfu. Gurl gura cbvag jvgu cevqr gb gurfr cenpgvprf nf gur pnhfr bs gurve fgheql urnygu naq evcr lrnef; gur gehgu orvat gung gurl ner urnegl naq byq, abg orpnhfr bs gurve unovgf, ohg va fcvgr bs gurz. Gur ernfba jr svaq bayl ebohfg crefbaf qbvat guvf guvat vf gung vg unf xvyyrq nyy gur bguref jub unir gevrq vg. -- Nzoebfr Ovrepr, "Gur Qrivy'f Qvpgvbanel" % Pher gur qvfrnfr naq xvyy gur cngvrag. -- Senapvf Onpba % Qrngu unf orra cebira gb or 99% sngny va ynobengbel engf. % Qragny urnygu vf arkg gb zragny urnygu. % Rire abgvpr gung gur jbeq "gurencvfg" oernxf qbja vagb "gur encvfg"? Fvzcyr pbvapvqrapr? Znlor... % Sbe zl fba, Eboreg, guvf vf cebivat gb or gur uvtu-cbvag bs uvf ragver yvsr gb qngr. Ur unf unq uvf cnwnznf ba sbe gjb, znlor guerr qnlf abj. Ur unf gur frafr bs wblshy vaqrcraqrapr n 5-lrne-byq puvyq trgf jura ur fhqqrayl ernyvmrf gung ur pbhyq or bcrengvat na nprglyrar gbepu va gur pbng pybfrg naq arvgure cnerag [orpnhfr bs gur syh] jbhyq unir gur fgeratgu gb bowrpg. Ur unf orra sbentvat sbe uvf bja sbbq, juvpu zrnaf uvf qvrg pbafvfgf ragveryl bs "sbbq" fhofgnaprf juvpu ner nqiregvfrq bayl ba Fngheqnl-zbeavat pnegbba fubjf; fhofgnaprf gung ner gur pbybe bs whxrobk yvtugf naq gung, sbe yrtny ernfbaf, unir gurve anzrf fcryyrq jebat, nf va Arj Perrzl Pubx-'a'-Purrm Yhzcf b' Sebbg ("cneg bs guvf pbzcyrgr oernxsnfg"). -- Qnir Oneel, "Zbyrphyne Ubzvpvqr" % Sbeghar'f Rkrepvfvat Gehguf: 1: Evpuneq Fvzzbaf trgf cnvq gb rkrepvfr yvxr n yhangvp. Lbh qba'g. 2. Nrebovp rkrepvfrf fgvzhyngr naq fcrrq hc gur urneg. Fb qb urneg nggnpxf. 3. Rkrepvfvat nebhaq fznyy puvyqera pna fpne gurz rzbgvbanyyl sbe yvsr. 4. Fjrngvat yvxr n cvt naq tnfcvat sbe oerngu vf abg erserfuvat. 5. Ab znggre jung nalbar gryyf lbh, vfbzrgevp rkrepvfrf pnaabg or qbar dhvrgyl ng lbhe qrfx ng jbex. Crbcyr jvyy fhfcrpg znavp graqrapvrf nf lbh gjvggre nebhaq va lbhe punve. 6. Arkg gb ohelvat obarf, gur guvat n qbt rawblf zbfgf vf gevccvat wbttref. 7. Ybpxvat sbhe crbcyr va n gval, przrag-jnyyrq ebbz fb gurl pna eha nebhaq sbe na ubhe fznfuvat n yvggyr ehoore onyy -- naq rnpu bgure -- jvgu n uneq enpxrg fubhyq vzzrqvngryl or erpbtavmrq sbe jung vg vf: n sbez bs vafnavgl. 8. Svsgl chfu-hcf, sbyybjrq ol guvegl fvg-hcf, sbyybjrq ol gra puva-hcf, sbyybjrq ol bar guebj-hc. 9. Nal npgvivgl gung pna'g or qbar juvyr fzbxvat fubhyq or nibvqrq. % [Sebz na naabhaprzrag bs n pbaterff bs gur Vagreangvbany Bagbcflpubybtl Nffbpvngvba, va Ebzr]: Gur Bagbcflpubybtvpny fpubby, ninvyvat vgfrys bs arj erfrnepu pevgrevn naq bs n arj gryrzngvp rcvfgrzbybtl, znvagnvaf gung fbpvny zbqrf qb abg fcevat sebz qvnyrpgvpf bs greevgbel be bs pynff, be bs pbafhzre tbbqf, be bs zrnaf bs cbjre, ohg engure sebz qlanzvp yngrapvrf pncvyynevmrq va zvyyvbaf bs vaqvivqhnyf va flfgrz shapgvbaf juvpu, bapr gurl unir ernpurq gur rirag znghengvba, ohefg sbegu va pngnfgebcuvp curabzrabybtl ratntvat n fhvgnoyr fgrerbglcr cebgntbavfg be qhgl znevbarggr (trareny, cerfvqrag, cbyvgvpny cnegl, rgp.) gb pbafhzzngr gur npg bs fbpvny fpuvmbcueravn va znff trabpvqr. % Tbq vf qrnq naq V qba'g srry nyy gbb jryy rvgure.... -- Enycu Zbbara % "Tbbq urnygu" vf zreryl gur fybjrfg engr ng juvpu bar pna qvr. % Unccvarff vf tbbq urnygu naq n onq zrzbel. -- Vatevq Oretzna % Urnygu vf zreryl gur fybjrfg cbffvoyr engr ng juvpu bar pna qvr. % Urnygu ahgf ner tbvat gb srry fghcvq fbzrqnl, ylvat va ubfcvgnyf qlvat bs abguvat. -- Erqq Sbkk % Uvf vqrnf bs svefg-nvq fgbccrq fubeg bs fdhvegvat fbqn jngre. -- C.T. Jbqrubhfr % Uhzna pneqvnp pngurgrevmngvba jnf vagebqhprq ol Jreare Sbeffzna va 1929. Vtabevat uvf qrcnegzrag puvrs, naq glvat uvf nffvfgnag gb na bcrengvat gnoyr gb cerirag ure vagresrerapr, ur cynprq n hergreny pngurgre vagb n irva va uvf nez, nqinaprq vg gb gur evtug ngevhz [bs uvf urneg], naq jnyxrq hcfgnvef gb gur k-enl qrcnegzrag jurer ur gbbx gur pbasvezngbel k-enl svyz. Va 1956, Qe. Sbeffzna jnf njneqrq gur Abory Cevmr. % V trg zl rkrepvfr npgvat nf cnyyornere gb zl sevraqf jub rkrepvfr. -- Punhaprl Qrcrj % V tbg gur ovyy sbe zl fhetrel. Abj V xabj jung gubfr qbpgbef jrer jrnevat znfxf sbe. -- Wnzrf Obera % "V xrrc frrvat fcbgf va sebag bs zl rlrf." "Qvq lbh rire frr n qbpgbe?" "Ab, whfg fcbgf." % Vs n crefba (n) vf cbbeyl, (o) erprvirf gerngzrag vagraqrq gb znxr uvz orggre, naq (p) trgf orggre, gura ab cbjre bs ernfbavat xabja gb zrqvpny fpvrapr pna pbaivapr uvz gung vg znl abg unir orra gur gerngzrag gung erfgberq uvf urnygu. -- Fve Crgre Zrqnjne, "Gur Neg bs gur Fbyhoyr" % Vs V xvff lbh, gung vf na cflpubybtvpny vagrenpgvba. Ba gur bgure unaq, vs V uvg lbh bire gur urnq jvgu n oevpx, gung vf nyfb n cflpubybtvpny vagrenpgvba. Gur qvssrerapr vf gung bar vf sevraqyl naq gur bgure vf abg fb sevraqyl. Gur pehpvny cbvag vf vs lbh pna gryy juvpu vf juvpu. -- Qbycu Funec, "V'z B.X., Lbh'er Abg Fb Ubg" % Vs lbh ybbx yvxr lbhe qevire'f yvprafr cubgb -- frr n qbpgbe. Vs lbh ybbx yvxr lbhe cnffcbeg cubgb -- vg'f gbb yngr sbe n qbpgbe. % Vg vf irel ihytne gb gnyx yvxr n qragvfg jura bar vfa'g n qragvfg. Vg cebqhprf n snyfr vzcerffvba. -- Bfpne Jvyqr. % Vg'f ab ybatre n dhrfgvba bs fgnlvat urnygul. Vg'f n dhrfgvba bs svaqvat n fvpxarff lbh yvxr. -- Wnpxvr Znfba % Vg'f abg ernyvgl be ubj lbh creprvir guvatf gung'f vzcbegnag -- vg'f jung lbh'er gnxvat sbe vg... % Whfg orpnhfr lbhe qbpgbe unf n anzr sbe lbhe pbaqvgvba qbrfa'g zrna ur xabjf jung vg vf. % Ynrgevyr vf gur cvgf. % Zl qbpgbengr'f va Yvgrengher, ohg vg frrzf yvxr n cerggl tbbq chyfr gb zr. % Arhebgvpf ohvyq pnfgyrf va gur fxl, Cflpubgvpf yvir va gurz, Naq cflpuvngevfgf pbyyrpg gur erag. % Arire tb gb n qbpgbe jubfr bssvpr cynagf unir qvrq. -- Rezn Obzorpx % Arj Ratynaq Yvsr, bs pbhefr. Jul qb lbh nfx? % cntr 46 ...n ercbeg pvgvat n fghql ol Qe. Gubznf P. Punyzref, bs gur Zbhag Fvanv Zrqvpny Pragre va Arj Lbex, juvpu pbzcnerq gjb tebhcf gung jrer orvat hfrq gb grfg gur gurbel gung nfpbeovp npvq vf n pbyq ceriragngvir. "Gur tebhc ba cynprob jub gubhtug gurl jrer ba nfpbeovp npvq," fnlf Qe. Punyzref, "unq srjre pbyqf guna gur tebhc ba nfpbeovp npvq jub gubhtug gurl jrer ba cynprob." cntr 56 Gur cynprob vf cebbs gung gurer vf ab erny frcnengvba orgjrra zvaq naq obql. Vyyarff vf nyjnlf na vagrenpgvba orgjrra obgu. Vg pna ortva va gur zvaq naq nssrpg gur obql, be vg pna ortva va gur obql naq nssrpg gur zvaq, obgu bs juvpu ner freirq ol gur fnzr oybbqfgernz. Nggrzcgf gb gerng zbfg zragny qvfrnfrf nf gubhtu gurl jrer pbzcyrgryl serr bs culfvpny pnhfrf naq nggrzcgf gb gerng zbfg obqvyl qvfrnfrf nf gubhtu gur zvaq jrer va ab jnl vaibyirq zhfg or pbafvqrerq nepunvp va gur yvtug bs arj rivqrapr nobhg gur jnl gur uhzna obql shapgvbaf. -- Abezna Pbhfvaf, "Nangbzl bs na Vyyarff nf Creprvirq ol gur Cngvrag" % Cnenylfvf guebhtu nanylfvf. % Cebcre gerngzrag jvyy pher n pbyq va frira qnlf, ohg yrsg gb vgfrys, n pbyq jvyy unat ba sbe n jrrx. -- Qneeryy Uhss % Cflpuvngel ranoyrf hf gb pbeerpg bhe snhygf ol pbasrffvat bhe cneragf' fubegpbzvatf. -- Ynherapr W. Crgre, "Crgre'f Cevapvcyrf" % Cflpubnanylfvf vf gung zragny vyyarff sbe juvpu vg ertneqf vgfrys n gurencl. -- Xney Xenhf % Cflpuvngel vf gur pner bs gur vq ol gur bqq. % Fubj zr n fnar zna naq V jvyy pher uvz sbe lbh. -- P.T. What % Cflpubybtl. Zvaq bire znggre. Zvaq haqre znggre? Vg qbrfa'g znggre. Arire zvaq. % Chfuvat 30 vf rkrepvfr rabhtu. % Chfuvat 40 vf rkrepvfr rabhtu. % Dhvg jbeelvat nobhg lbhe urnygu. Vg'yy tb njnl. -- Eboreg Beora % Fvtzhaq'f jvsr jber Serhqvna fyvcf. % Fbzr crbcyr arrq n tbbq vzntvanel pher sbe gurve cnvashy vzntvanel nvyzrag. % Fbzrgvzrf gur orfg zrqvpvar vf gb fgbc gnxvat fbzrguvat. % Fgenj? Ab, gbb fghcvq n snq. V chg fbbg ba jnegf. % Fgerff unf orra cvacbvagrq nf n znwbe pnhfr bs vyyarff. Gb nibvq bireybnq naq oheabhg, xrrc fgerff bhg bs lbhe yvsr. Tvir vg gb bguref vafgrnq. Yrnea gur "Tnfyvtug" gerngzrag, gur "Ner lbh gnyxvat gb zr?" grpuavdhr, naq gur "Qb lbh srry bxnl? Lbh ybbx cnyr." nccebnpu. Fgneg jvgu artbgvngvba naq vzcyvpngvba. Nqinapr gb znavchyngvba naq uhzvyvngvba. Nobir nyy, erynk naq unir n avpr qnl. % Gur 80'f -- jura lbh pna'g gryy unvefglyrf sebz purzbgurencl. % "... gur Znlb Pyvavp, anzrq nsgre vgf sbhaqre, Qe. Grq Pyvavp ..." -- Qnir Oneel % "Gur zbynef, V'z fher, jvyy or nyy evtug, gur zbynef pna gnxr pner bs gurzfryirf," gur byq zna fnvq, ab ybatre gb zr. "Ohg jung jvyy orpbzr bs gur ovphfcvqf?" -- Gur Byq Zna naq uvf Oevqtr % Gur Arj Ratynaq Wbheany bs Zrqvpvar ercbegf gung 9 bhg bs 10 qbpgbef nterr gung 1 bhg bs 10 qbpgbef vf na vqvbg. % Gur erny ernfba cflpubybtl vf uneq vf gung cflpubybtvfgf ner gelvat gb qb gur vzcbffvoyr. % Gur ernfba gurl'er pnyyrq jvfqbz grrgu vf gung gur rkcrevrapr znxrf lbh jvfr. % Gur frperg bs urnygul uvgpuuvxvat vf gb rng whax sbbq. % Gur gebhoyr jvgu urneg qvfrnfr vf gung gur svefg flzcgbz vf bsgra uneq gb qrny jvgu: qrngu. -- Zvpunry Curycf % Gur Irg Jub Fhecevfrq N Pbj Va gur pbhefr bs uvf qhgvrf va Nhthfg 1977, n Qhgpu irgrevanel fhetrba jnf erdhverq gb gerng na nvyvat pbj. Gb vairfgvtngr vgf vagreany tnfrf ur vafregrq n ghor vagb gung raq bs gur navzny abg pncnoyr bs snpvny rkcerffvba naq fgehpx n zngpu. Gur wrg bs synzr frg sver svefg gb fbzr onyrf bs unl naq gura gb gur jubyr snez pnhfvat qnzntr rfgvzngr ng Y45,000. Gur irg jnf yngre svarq Y140 sbe fgnegvat n sver va n znaare fhecevfvat gb gur zntvfgengrf. Gur pbj rfpncrq jvgu fubpx. -- Fgrcura Cvyr, "Gur Obbx bs Urebvp Snvyherf" % Jr unir gur syh. V qba'g xabj vs guvf cnegvphyne fgenva unf na bssvpvny anzr, ohg vs vg qbrf, vg zhfg or fbzrguvat yvxr "Znegvna Qrngu Syh". Lbh znl unir unq vg lbhefrys. Gur znva flzcgbz vf gung lbh jvfu lbh unq nabgure frggvat ba lbhe ryrpgevp oynaxrg, hc cnfg "UVTU", gung fnvq "RYRPGEBPHGVBA". Nabgure flzcgbz vf gung lbh prnfr oehfuvat lbhe grrgu, orpnhfr (n) lbhe grrgu uheg, naq (o) lbh ynpx gur fgeratgu. Zvqjnl guebhtu gur oehfuvat cebprff, lbh'q unir gb yvr qbja va sebag bs gur fvax gb erfg sbe n pbhcyr bs ubhef, naq evihyrgf bs gbbgucnfgr sbnz jbhyq qevooyr fvqrjnlf bhg bs lbhe zbhgu, riraghnyyl uneqravat vagb pehfgl yvggyr gbbgucnfgr fgnyntzvgrf gung jbhyq obaq lbhe urnq creznaragyl gb gur onguebbz sybbe, juvpu vf ubj gur cbyvpr jbhyq svaq lbh. Lbh xabj gur xvaq bs syh V'z gnyxvat nobhg. -- Qnir Oneel, "Zbyrphyne Ubzvpvqr" % "Jrypbzr onpx sbe lbh 13gu pbafrphgvir jrrx, Riryla. Riryla, jvyy lbh tb vagb gur nhgb-fhttrfgvba obbgu naq gnxr lbhe erthyne cynpr ba gur cflpub-cebzcgre pbhpu?" "Gunax lbh, Erq." "Abj, Riryla, ynfg jrrx lbh jrag hc gb $40,000 ol cebcreyl pvgvat lbhe evinyel jvgu lbhe fvoyvat nf n pbzchyfvir fnqb-znfbpuvfgvp orunivbe cnggrea juvpu qrirybcrq bhg bs na rneyl cbfg-angny srrqvat ceboyrz." "Lrf, Erq." "Ohg -- yngre, jura nfxrq nobhg cer-nqbyrfprag brqvcny cunagnfl ercerffvbaf, lbh engvbanyvmrq gjvpr naq zragny oybpxrq guerr gvzrf. Abj, ng $300 cre engvbanyvmngvba naq $500 cre zragny oybpx lbh ybfg $2,100 bss lbhe $40,000 yrnivat lbh jvgu n gbgny bs $37,900. Abj, nal pbzovangvba bs gjb zber zragny oybpxf naq rvgure bar engvbanyvmngvba be guerr qrsrafvir cebwrpgvbaf jvyy chg lbh bhg bs gur tnzr. Ner lbh jvyyvat gb tb nurnq?" "Lrf, Erq." "V zvtug fnl urer gung nyy bs Riryla'f dhrfgvbaf naq nafjref unir orra purpxrq sbe npphenpl jvgu ure nanylfg. Abj, Riryla, sbe $80,000 rkcynva gur snvyher bs lbhe guerr zneevntrf." "Jryy, V--" "Jr'yy trg onpx gb Riryla va bar zvahgr. Svefg n jbeq nobhg bhe cebqhpg." -- Whyrf Srvssre % Jura n ybg bs erzrqvrf ner fhttrfgrq sbe n qvfrnfr, gung zrnaf vg pna'g or pherq. -- Nagba Purxubi, "Gur Pureel Bepuneq" % Lbhe qvtrfgvir flfgrz vf lbhe obql'f Sha Ubhfr, jurerol sbbq tbrf ba n ybat, qnex, fpnel evqr, gnxvat nyy xvaqf bs harkcrpgrq gjvfgf naq gheaf, orvat nggnpxrq ol ivpvbhf frpergvbaf nybat gur jnl, naq abg xabjvat hagvy gur ynfg zvahgr jurgure vg jvyy or ghearq vagb n hfrshy obql cneg be rwrpgrq vagb gur Qnex Ubyr ol Zvfgre Fcuvapgre. Jr Nzrevpnaf yvir va n angvba jurer gur zrqvpny-pner flfgrz vf frpbaq gb abar va gur jbeyq, hayrff lbh pbhag znlor 25 be 30 yvggyr fphmmonyy pbhagevrf yvxr Fpbgynaq gung jr pbhyq incbevmr va frpbaqf vs jr sryg yvxr vg. -- Qnir Oneel, "Fgnl Svg & Urnygul Hagvy Lbh'er Qrnq" %

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049820)

And now, I have this:

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All green and wrinkled. % You look tired. % You love peace. % You love your home and want it to be beautiful. % You may be gone tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that you weren't here today. % You may be infinitely smaller than some things, but you're infinitely larger than others. % You may be recognized soon. Hide. % You may get an opportunity for advancement today. Watch it! % You may worry about your hair-do today, but tomorrow much peanut butter will be sold. % You need more time; and you probably always will. % You need no longer worry about the future. This time tomorrow you'll be dead. % You never hesitate to tackle the most difficult problems. % You never know how many friends you have until you rent a house on the beach. % You now have Asian Flu. % You own a dog, but you can only feed a cat. % You plan things that you do not even attempt because of your extreme caution. % You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. % You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own. % You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite. % You seek to shield those you love and you like the role of the provider. % You shall be rewarded for a dastardly deed. % You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far. Especially if they are dead. % You should go home. % You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. % You teach best what you most need to learn. % You too can wear a nose mitten. % You two ought to be more careful--your love could drag on for years and years. % You will always get the greatest recognition for the job you least like. % You will always have good luck in your personal affairs. % You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. % You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. % You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part. % You will be aided greatly by a person whom you thought to be unimportant. % You will be attacked by a beast who has the body of a wolf, the tail of a lion, and the face of Donald Duck. % You will be audited by the Internal Revenue Service. % You will be awarded a medal for disregarding safety in saving someone. % You will be awarded some great honor. % You will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize... posthumously. % You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble. % You will be dead within a year. % You will be divorced within a year. % You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. % You will be held hostage by a radical group. % You will be honored for contributing your time and skill to a worthy cause. % You will be imprisoned for contributing your time and skill to a bank robbery. % You will be married within a year, and divorced within two. % You will be married within a year. % You will be misunderstood by everyone. % You will be recognized and honored as a community leader. % You will be reincarnated as a toad; and you will be much happier. % You will be run over by a beer truck. % You will be run over by a bus. % You will be singled out for promotion in your work. % You will be successful in love. % You will be surprised by a loud noise. % You will be surrounded by luxury. % You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. % You will be the victim of a bizarre joke. % You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. % You will be traveling and coming into a fortune. % You will be winged by an anti-aircraft battery. % You will become rich and famous unless you don't. % You will contract a rare disease. % You will engage in a profitable business activity. % You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass. % You will feel hungry again in another hour. % You will forget that you ever knew me. % You will gain money by a fattening action. % You will gain money by a speculation or lottery. % You will gain money by an illegal action. % You will gain money by an immoral action. % You will get what you deserve. % You will give someone a piece of your mind, which you can ill afford. % You will have a long and boring life. % You will have a long and unpleasant discussion with your supervisor. % You will have domestic happiness and faithful friends. % You will have good luck and overcome many hardships. % You will have long and healthy life. % You will hear good news from one you thought unfriendly to you. % You will inherit millions of dollars. % You will inherit some money or a small piece of land. % You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. % You will live to see your grandchildren. % You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. % You will meet an important person who will help you advance professionally. % You will never know hunger. % You will not be elected to public office this year. % You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. % You will outgrow your usefulness. % You will overcome the attacks of jealous associates. % You will pass away very quickly. % You will pay for your sins. If you have already paid, please disregard this message. % You will pioneer the first Martian colony. % You will probably marry after a very brief courtship. % You will reach the highest possible point in your business or profession. % You will receive a legacy which will place you above want. % You will remember something that you should not have forgotten. % You will soon forget this. % You will soon meet a person who will play an important role in your life. % You will step on the night soil of many countries. % You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. % You will triumph over your enemy. % You will visit the Dung Pits of Glive soon. % You will win success in whatever calling you adopt. % You will wish you hadn't. % You work very hard. Don't try to think as well. % You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. % You would if you could but you can't so you won't. % You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. % You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. % You'll be sorry... % You'll feel devilish tonight. Toss dynamite caps under a flamenco dancer's heel. % You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. % You'll never be the man your mother was! % You'll never see all the places, or read all the books, but fortunately, they're not all recommended. % You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do. % You're a card which will have to be dealt with. % You're almost as happy as you think you are. % You're at the end of the road again. % You're being followed. Cut out the hanky-panky for a few days. % You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life." % You're definitely on their list. The question to ask next is what list it is. % You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. % You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!! % You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. % You're working under a slight handicap. You happen to be human. % You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture. % Your aim is high and to the right. % Your aims are high, and you are capable of much. % Your analyst has you mixed up with another patient. Don't believe a thing he tells you. % Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't really worth having. % Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong. % Your boss is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. % Your boyfriend takes chocolate from strangers. % Your business will assume vast proportions. % Your business will go through a period of considerable expansion. % Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways. % Your domestic life may be harmonious. % Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). % Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) % Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. % Your ignorance cramps my conversation. % Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. % Your love life will be happy and harmonious. % Your love life will be... interesting. % Your lover will never wish to leave you. % Your lucky color has faded. % Your lucky number has been disconnected. % Your lucky number is 3552664958674928. Watch for it everywhere. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of good news soon. % Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new developments. % Your motives for doing whatever good deed you may have in mind will be misinterpreted by somebody. % Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. % Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. % Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. % Your present plans will be successful. % Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. % Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner. % Your sister swims out to meet troop ships. % Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement. % Your step will soil many countries. % Your supervisor is thinking about you. % Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded. % Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. % Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. %

Re:However (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049922)

Translation:

A CODE OF ETHICAL BEHAVIOR FOR PATIENTS: 1. DO NOT EXPECT YOUR DOCTOR TO SHARE YOUR DISCOMFORT. Involvement with the patient's suffering might cause him to lose valuable scientific objectivity. 2. BE CHEERFUL AT ALL TIMES. Your doctor leads a busy and trying life and requires all the gentleness and reassurance he can get. 3. TRY TO SUFFER FROM THE DISEASE FOR WHICH YOU ARE BEING TREATED. Remember that your doctor has a professional reputation to uphold. % A CODE OF ETHICAL BEHAVIOR FOR PATIENTS: 4. DO NOT COMPLAIN IF THE TREATMENT FAILS TO BRING RELIEF. You must believe that your doctor has achieved a deep insight into the true nature of your illness, which transcends any mere permanent disability you may have experienced. 5. NEVER ASK YOUR DOCTOR TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE IS DOING OR WHY HE IS DOING IT. It is presumptuous to assume that such profound matters could be explained in terms that you would understand. 6. SUBMIT TO NOVEL EXPERIMANTAL TREATMENT READILY. Though the surgery may not benefit you directly, the resulting research paper will surely be of widespread interest. % A CODE OF ETHICAL BEHAVIOR FOR PATIENTS: 7. PAY YOUR MEDICAL BILLS PROMPTLY AND WILLINGLY. You should consider it a privilege to contribute, however modestly, to the well-being of physicians and other humanitarians. 8. DO NOT SUFFER FROM AILMENTS THAT YOU CANNOT AFFORD. It is sheer arrogance to contract illnesses that are beyond your means. 9. NEVER REVEAL ANY OF THE SHORTCOMINGS THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT IN THE COURSE OF TREATMENT BY YOUR DOCTOR. The patient-doctor relationship is a privileged one, and you have a sacred duty to protect him from exposure. 10. NEVER DIE WHILE IN YOUR DOCTOR'S PRESENCE OR UNDER HIS DIRECT CARE. This will only cause him needless inconvenience and embarrassment. % A distraught patient phoned her doctor's office. "Was it true," the woman inquired, "that the medication the doctor had prescribed was for the rest of her life?" She was told that it was. There was just a moment of silence before the woman proceeded bravely on. "Well, I'm wondering, then, how serious my condition is. This prescription is marked `NO REFILLS'". % A doctor calls his patient to give him the results of his tests. "I have some bad news," says the doctor, "and some worse news." The bad news is that you only have six weeks to live." "Oh, no," says the patient. "What could possibly be worse than that?" "Well," the doctor replies, "I've been trying to reach you since last Monday." % A woman physician has made the statement that smoking is neither physically defective nor morally degrading, and that nicotine, even when indulged to in excess, is less harmful than excessive petting." -- Purdue Exponent, Jan 16, 1925 % A woman went into a hospital one day to give birth. Afterwards, the doctor came to her and said, "I have some... odd news for you." "Is my baby all right?" the woman anxiously asked. "Yes, he is," the doctor replied, "but we don't know how. Your son (we assume) was born with no body. He only has a head." Well, the doctor was correct. The Head was alive and well, though no one knew how. The Head turned out to be fairly normal, ignoring his lack of a body, and lived for some time as typical a life as could be expected under the circumstances. One day, about twenty years after the fateful birth, the woman got a phone call from another doctor. The doctor said, "I have recently perfected an operation. Your son can live a normal life now: we can graft a body onto his head!" The woman, practically weeping with joy, thanked the doctor and hung up. She ran up the stairs saying, "Johnny, Johnny, I have a *wonderful* surprise for you!" "Oh no," cried The Head, "not another HAT!" % After his legs had been broken in an accident, Mr. Miller sued for damages, claming that he was crippled and would have to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair. Although the insurance-company doctor testified that his bones had healed properly and that he was fully capable of walking, the judge decided for the plaintiff and awarded him $500,000. When he was wheeled into the insurance office to collect his check, Miller was confronted by several executives. "You're not getting away with this, Miller," one said. "We're going to watch you day and night. If you take a single step, you'll not only repay the damages but stand trial for perjury. Here's the money. What do you intend to do with it?" "My wife and I are going to travel," Miller replied. "We'll go to Stockholm, Berlin, Rome, Athens and, finally, to a place called Lourdes -- where, gentlemen, you'll see yourselves one hell of a miracle." % After twelve years of therapy my psychiatrist said something that brought tears to my eyes. He said, "No hablo ingles." -- Ronnie Shakes % Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- Samuel Goldwyn % Aquavit is also considered useful for medicinal purposes, an essential ingredient in what I was once told is the Norwegian cure for the common cold. You get a bottle, a poster bed, and the brightest colored stocking cap you can find. You put the cap on the post at the foot of the bed, then get into bed and drink aquavit until you can't see the cap. I've never tried this, but it sounds as though it should work. -- Peter Nelson % As a general rule of thumb, never trust anybody who's been in therapy for more than 15 percent of their life span. The words "I am sorry" and "I am wrong" will have totally disappeared from their vocabulary. They will stab you, shoot you, break things in your apartment, say horrible things to your friends and family, and then justify this abhorrent behavior by saying: "Sure, I put your dog in the microwave. But I feel *better* for doing it." -- Bruce Feirstein, "Nice Guys Sleep Alone" % At the hospital, a doctor is training an intern on how to announce bad news to the patients. The doctor tells the intern "This man in 305 is going to die in six months. Go in and tell him." The intern boldly walks into the room, over to the man's bedisde and tells him "Seems like you're gonna die!" The man has a heart attack and is rushed into surgery on the spot. The doctor grabs the intern and screams at him, "What!?!? are you some kind of moron? You've got to take it easy, work your way up to the subject. Now this man in 213 has about a week to live. Go in and tell him, but, gently, you hear me, gently!" The intern goes softly into the room, humming to himself, cheerily opens the drapes to let the sun in, walks over to the man's bedside, fluffs his pillow and wishes him a "Good morning!" "Wonderful day, no? Say... guess who's going to die soon!" % Be a better psychiatrist and the world will beat a psychopath to your door. % Better to use medicines at the outset than at the last moment. % Certain old men prefer to rise at dawn, taking a cold bath and a long walk with an empty stomach and otherwise mortifying the flesh. They then point with pride to these practices as the cause of their sturdy health and ripe years; the truth being that they are hearty and old, not because of their habits, but in spite of them. The reason we find only robust persons doing this thing is that it has killed all the others who have tried it. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" % Cure the disease and kill the patient. -- Francis Bacon % Death has been proven to be 99% fatal in laboratory rats. % Dental health is next to mental health. % Ever notice that the word "therapist" breaks down into "the rapist"? Simple coincidence? Maybe... % For my son, Robert, this is proving to be the high-point of his entire life to date. He has had his pajamas on for two, maybe three days now. He has the sense of joyful independence a 5-year-old child gets when he suddenly realizes that he could be operating an acetylene torch in the coat closet and neither parent [because of the flu] would have the strength to object. He has been foraging for his own food, which means his diet consists entirely of "food" substances which are advertised only on Saturday-morning cartoon shows; substances that are the color of jukebox lights and that, for legal reasons, have their names spelled wrong, as in New Creemy Chok-'n'-Cheez Lumps o' Froot ("part of this complete breakfast"). -- Dave Barry, "Molecular Homicide" % Fortune's Exercising Truths: 1: Richard Simmons gets paid to exercise like a lunatic. You don't. 2. Aerobic exercises stimulate and speed up the heart. So do heart attacks. 3. Exercising around small children can scar them emotionally for life. 4. Sweating like a pig and gasping for breath is not refreshing. 5. No matter what anyone tells you, isometric exercises cannot be done quietly at your desk at work. People will suspect manic tendencies as you twitter around in your chair. 6. Next to burying bones, the thing a dog enjoys mosts is tripping joggers. 7. Locking four people in a tiny, cement-walled room so they can run around for an hour smashing a little rubber ball -- and each other -- with a hard racket should immediately be recognized for what it is: a form of insanity. 8. Fifty push-ups, followed by thirty sit-ups, followed by ten chin-ups, followed by one throw-up. 9. Any activity that can't be done while smoking should be avoided. % [From an announcement of a congress of the International Ontopsychology Association, in Rome]: The Ontopsychological school, availing itself of new research criteria and of a new telematic epistemology, maintains that social modes do not spring from dialectics of territory or of class, or of consumer goods, or of means of power, but rather from dynamic latencies capillarized in millions of individuals in system functions which, once they have reached the event maturation, burst forth in catastrophic phenomenology engaging a suitable stereotype protagonist or duty marionette (general, president, political party, etc.) to consummate the act of social schizophrenia in mass genocide. % God is dead and I don't feel all too well either.... -- Ralph Moonen % "Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which one can die. % Happiness is good health and a bad memory. -- Ingrid Bergman % Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die. % Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx % His ideas of first-aid stopped short of squirting soda water. -- P.G. Wodehouse % Human cardiac catheterization was introduced by Werner Forssman in 1929. Ignoring his department chief, and tying his assistant to an operating table to prevent her interference, he placed a ureteral catheter into a vein in his arm, advanced it to the right atrium [of his heart], and walked upstairs to the x-ray department where he took the confirmatory x-ray film. In 1956, Dr. Forssman was awarded the Nobel Prize. % I get my exercise acting as pallbearer to my friends who exercise. -- Chauncey Depew % I got the bill for my surgery. Now I know what those doctors were wearing masks for. -- James Boren % "I keep seeing spots in front of my eyes." "Did you ever see a doctor?" "No, just spots." % If a person (a) is poorly, (b) receives treatment intended to make him better, and (c) gets better, then no power of reasoning known to medical science can convince him that it may not have been the treatment that restored his health. -- Sir Peter Medawar, "The Art of the Soluble" % If I kiss you, that is an psychological interaction. On the other hand, if I hit you over the head with a brick, that is also a psychological interaction. The difference is that one is friendly and the other is not so friendly. The crucial point is if you can tell which is which. -- Dolph Sharp, "I'm O.K., You're Not So Hot" % If you look like your driver's license photo -- see a doctor. If you look like your passport photo -- it's too late for a doctor. % It is very vulgar to talk like a dentist when one isn't a dentist. It produces a false impression. -- Oscar Wilde. % It's no longer a question of staying healthy. It's a question of finding a sickness you like. -- Jackie Mason % It's not reality or how you perceive things that's important -- it's what you're taking for it... % Just because your doctor has a name for your condition doesn't mean he knows what it is. % Laetrile is the pits. % My doctorate's in Literature, but it seems like a pretty good pulse to me. % Neurotics build castles in the sky, Psychotics live in them, And psychiatrists collect the rent. % Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. -- Erma Bombeck % New England Life, of course. Why do you ask? % page 46 ...a report citing a study by Dr. Thomas C. Chalmers, of the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, which compared two groups that were being used to test the theory that ascorbic acid is a cold preventative. "The group on placebo who thought they were on ascorbic acid," says Dr. Chalmers, "had fewer colds than the group on ascorbic acid who thought they were on placebo." page 56 The placebo is proof that there is no real separation between mind and body. Illness is always an interaction between both. It can begin in the mind and affect the body, or it can begin in the body and affect the mind, both of which are served by the same bloodstream. Attempts to treat most mental diseases as though they were completely free of physical causes and attempts to treat most bodily diseases as though the mind were in no way involved must be considered archaic in the light of new evidence about the way the human body functions. -- Norman Cousins, "Anatomy of an Illness as Perceived by the Patient" % Paralysis through analysis. % Proper treatment will cure a cold in seven days, but left to itself, a cold will hang on for a week. -- Darrell Huff % Psychiatry enables us to correct our faults by confessing our parents' shortcomings. -- Laurence J. Peter, "Peter's Principles" % Psychoanalysis is that mental illness for which it regards itself a therapy. -- Karl Kraus % Psychiatry is the care of the id by the odd. % Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you. -- C.G. Jung % Psychology. Mind over matter. Mind under matter? It doesn't matter. Never mind. % Pushing 30 is exercise enough. % Pushing 40 is exercise enough. % Quit worrying about your health. It'll go away. -- Robert Orben % Sigmund's wife wore Freudian slips. % Some people need a good imaginary cure for their painful imaginary ailment. % Sometimes the best medicine is to stop taking something. % Straw? No, too stupid a fad. I put soot on warts. % Stress has been pinpointed as a major cause of illness. To avoid overload and burnout, keep stress out of your life. Give it to others instead. Learn the "Gaslight" treatment, the "Are you talking to me?" technique, and the "Do you feel okay? You look pale." approach. Start with negotiation and implication. Advance to manipulation and humiliation. Above all, relax and have a nice day. % The 80's -- when you can't tell hairstyles from chemotherapy. % "... the Mayo Clinic, named after its founder, Dr. Ted Clinic ..." -- Dave Barry % "The molars, I'm sure, will be all right, the molars can take care of themselves," the old man said, no longer to me. "But what will become of the bicuspids?" -- The Old Man and his Bridge % The New England Journal of Medicine reports that 9 out of 10 doctors agree that 1 out of 10 doctors is an idiot. % The real reason psychology is hard is that psychologists are trying to do the impossible. % The reason they're called wisdom teeth is that the experience makes you wise. % The secret of healthy hitchhiking is to eat junk food. % The trouble with heart disease is that the first symptom is often hard to deal with: death. -- Michael Phelps % The Vet Who Surprised A Cow In the course of his duties in August 1977, a Dutch veterinary surgeon was required to treat an ailing cow. To investigate its internal gases he inserted a tube into that end of the animal not capable of facial expression and struck a match. The jet of flame set fire first to some bales of hay and then to the whole farm causing damage estimate at L45,000. The vet was later fined L140 for starting a fire in a manner surprising to the magistrates. The cow escaped with shock. -- Stephen Pile, "The Book of Heroic Failures" % We have the flu. I don't know if this particular strain has an official name, but if it does, it must be something like "Martian Death Flu". You may have had it yourself. The main symptom is that you wish you had another setting on your electric blanket, up past "HIGH", that said "ELECTROCUTION". Another symptom is that you cease brushing your teeth, because (a) your teeth hurt, and (b) you lack the strength. Midway through the brushing process, you'd have to lie down in front of the sink to rest for a couple of hours, and rivulets of toothpaste foam would dribble sideways out of your mouth, eventually hardening into crusty little toothpaste stalagmites that would bond your head permanently to the bathroom floor, which is how the police would find you. You know the kind of flu I'm talking about. -- Dave Barry, "Molecular Homicide" % "Welcome back for you 13th consecutive week, Evelyn. Evelyn, will you go into the auto-suggestion booth and take your regular place on the psycho-prompter couch?" "Thank you, Red." "Now, Evelyn, last week you went up to $40,000 by properly citing your rivalry with your sibling as a compulsive sado-masochistic behavior pattern which developed out of an early post-natal feeding problem." "Yes, Red." "But -- later, when asked about pre-adolescent oedipal phantasy repressions, you rationalized twice and mental blocked three times. Now, at $300 per rationalization and $500 per mental block you lost $2,100 off your $40,000 leaving you with a total of $37,900. Now, any combination of two more mental blocks and either one rationalization or three defensive projections will put you out of the game. Are you willing to go ahead?" "Yes, Red." "I might say here that all of Evelyn's questions and answers have been checked for accuracy with her analyst. Now, Evelyn, for $80,000 explain the failure of your three marriages." "Well, I--" "We'll get back to Evelyn in one minute. First a word about our product." -- Jules Feiffer % When a lot of remedies are suggested for a disease, that means it can't be cured. -- Anton Chekhov, "The Cherry Orchard" % Your digestive system is your body's Fun House, whereby food goes on a long, dark, scary ride, taking all kinds of unexpected twists and turns, being attacked by vicious secretions along the way, and not knowing until the last minute whether it will be turned into a useful body part or ejected into the Dark Hole by Mister Sphincter. We Americans live in a nation where the medical-care system is second to none in the world, unless you count maybe 25 or 30 little scuzzball countries like Scotland that we could vaporize in seconds if we felt like it. -- Dave Barry, "Stay Fit & Healthy Until You're Dead" %

Re:However (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049946)

Somebody's tinkering trying to fix the broken fortune that hasn't changed for weeks.

On the production server?

...Oh, right. This is Slashdot. Never mind.

Re:However (3, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049746)

Maybe, how much money does ARPA have? Remember, leeches follow the money. CBS has money. That's why they now are getting sued.

Let's be realistic (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049824)

ARPA created the internet about as much as Edison created the worldwide telephony network.

Wake-up call: What we know as the internet today could only have been created through the voluntary collaboration of thousands of independent organizations. ARPA couldn't even have imagined it back in the 70s, let alone created it single-handedly.

Re:Let's be realistic (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050022)

ARPA created the internet about as much as Edison created the worldwide telephony network.

Wake-up call: What we know as the internet today could only have been created through the voluntary collaboration of thousands of independent organizations. ARPA couldn't even have imagined it back in the 70s, let alone created it single-handedly.

Which, with the **AA's mentality, and that of these other garbage... err... content... creators, it would make perfect sense (to them) to sue ARPA - if only ARPA had as much money they could potentially win.

Re:Let's be realistic (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050184)

You really need to learn some history. Actually, they did envision a global packet switching network because they're goal was to provide a network that could survive a nuclear disaster for the US military.

Also, in association with ARPA, the did build the first networks to universities. "ALOHAnet, the first packet radio network, developed by Norman Abramson, Univ of Hawaii, becomes operational (July) connected to the ARPANET in 1972"

Collaboration of thousands of independent organizations? They're called UNIVERSITIES that received FEDERAL FUNDING for their projects. Get your facts straight. [thocp.net]

And Edison? Edison pretty much got out of the communications game after his stock reader. He spend most of his life on microphones, media, and electricity. He's a horrible example to make your point for inventions he's not even widely known for related to telephones. The only telephone invention he made was for a microphone used IN phones.

Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (3, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049340)

for its use. It's the theory of selling guns, while immoral by some people's standards, doesn't pull the trigger-- purchasers pull the trigger.

If CNet is liable, then so are computer makers as they're a huge source of computers, which then download that pirated stuff.

This guy is merely enriching the lawyers that talked him into it..... and this too, will soon pass.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049458)

What if CNET would had posted child porn? Yeah, they weren't making those images, but they would still be accountable for distributing them.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049530)

The gaping hole in your strawman is that, under the laws of this jurisdiction, the kiddie porn is inherently illegal, to possess or distribute. There are absolutely no recognized legitimate applications(aside from law enforcement's evidence stash). The limewire client, on the other hand, contains no inherently illegal material whatsoever, and is capable of both licit and illicit uses, by the person downloading it.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

biek (1946790) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049664)

When dealing with grey-area stuff like limewire, CNET should learn from head shops and throw a legal disclaimer on the page. That way it's being distributed for legit purposes, even though everyone knows what you're *really* using it for.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (0)

bunratty (545641) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049794)

How is that a straw man [wikipedia.org] ? A straw man is when you misrepresent your opponent's position, then shoot down that position. For example, if I said the AC was a horrible person for suggesting that kiddie porn was okay. I'm misrepresenting what the AC said, because the AC never said kiddie porn was okay. The AC made a poor analogy, by suggesting that distributing content that is inherently illegal is similar to distributing software that isn't inherently illegal.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (4, Informative)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049916)

He was misrepresenting the original position.

Original position: You shouldn't be held liable for distributing something that has legal uses, such as Limewire.
Strawman: You shouldn't be held liable for distributing anything; for instance child porn.

Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y.

Key point: Limewire has legal uses; child porn is always illegal to create, possess, or even attempt to obtain. Ignore that point and suddenly distributing Limewire is like distributing child porn - oh noes! Clearly they must be held responsible.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050044)

No, the AC's point was that if they were distributing child porn that they would be liable, so why wouldn't they be liable for distributing Limewire? In any case, the AC was clearly making a new point, not misrepresenting a point that someone else had made. If he had claimed that someone had said that no one should be held accountable for distributing illegal material, that would certainly be a straw man.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050188)

the AC's point was that if they were distributing child porn that they would be liable

I amend my previous statement.

Original claim:
Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable for its use.

The strawman which Anonymous Coward knocked down so easily was more like this claim, however:
Posting something never makes anyone liable for anything.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049468)

But this is more like suing the company that made the steel used by the gun manufacturer.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (2)

KhabaLox (1906148) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049604)

Actually, it's like suing the trucking company that shipped the gun to the store. Get your /. car analogies right.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

AJH16 (940784) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049720)

But how many miles per library of congress did the trucks get?

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (3, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049726)

I am confused, I thought a car analogy would clear things up for me, but you gave a truck analogy.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (2)

Lord_Jeremy (1612839) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049920)

I think a better analogy involving shipping would be they're suing the trucking company that transported the gun from the online distributor to your house. The actual Limewire company being the online distributor, the Limewire software being the gun, and the trucking company being the download site (in this case CNET).

Amusing anecdote: it's actually all this anti-piracy's fault that I download anything. Back when I was in high school living at home, my father came to me one day with a letter from Cablevision (our ISP). The letter was pretty much a general threat to all of their customers that "using 'Peer To Peer' software such as Limewire or Kazaa to obtain free music and movies is illegal under US copyright law and a violation of our Terms of Service" or somesuch. Seriously, they essentially told all of their customers how they could get free music and movies and then listed software that would allow them to do it. Right after reading that I went and googled "LimeWire" and thus began my piracy foray.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049702)

No, that would be like suing Borland for making a compiler that would let you build a P2P application.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (5, Interesting)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049476)

for its use. It's the theory of selling guns, while immoral by some people's standards, doesn't pull the trigger-- purchasers pull the trigger.

If CNet is liable, then so are computer makers as they're a huge source of computers, which then download that pirated stuff.

This guy is merely enriching the lawyers that talked him into it..... and this too, will soon pass.

FTFA

The plaintiffs contend that CNET encouraged people to use LimeWire to violate copyright. One of the plaintiffs, Mike Mozart, has spent the last year collecting alleged examples of this; it's an odd mix of material that spans a decade and multiple sites from ZDNET to CNET.

If this pans out in court, this won't simply "pass", unless there is a settlement involved. They are alleging that CNET didn't simply distribute PTP file sharing software, but that they encouraged it's use for sharing copyrighted music, highlighting big name (by their standards, not mine) artists in screenshots. This detail is huge, and likely the lynchpin of the entire case.

Disclaimer: IANAL

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049588)

The artists might have nexus, but I'm guessing that CNet will be held harmless, after many lawyers buy yachts. IANAL, too. Yet this shoot-the-messenger approach is really unlikely to succeed.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

guspasho (941623) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049632)

Funny because the article uses the gun metaphor too.

"Would gun sellers enjoy "Freedom of Press" protections if they offered catalogs demonstrating the ease of use of the Handguns being Sold for engaging in criminal activities such as robbing stores or banks. Then offering Solutions to specifically cover up your crime.

"CNET provided the "Guns", the P2P Software, and the encouragement to commit "Robbery", here, the online file sharing of known copyrighted works.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, I absolutely do not, but it's funny that you both came up with a gun analogy and thought opposite things.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (2)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049788)

1) it's not clear that CNet came up with whatever was being placed around the LimeWire ad; it might have been ad copy from the P2P software provider or its ad agency 2) there might indeed be legal software on any given P2P software; if bands are shown in an ad, that might violate IP surrounding the band's image, but it doesn't talk about the action of downloading specific things 3) lots of free/shareware can be used incorrectly and the enticement to use software in such a way doesn't endorse the actions. 4) If you use a picture of a robber in a gun ad-- is one encouraging the action of robbing or using a gun to stop a robbery? 5) are there actions using P2P software to legally share software? I can think of a few-- although many actions clearly are not 6) to what extent have the ostensible holders been hurt? do they have nexus to claim damages?

All good question to make lawyers rich.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (4, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049728)

Limewire has non-infringing uses, therefore, CNET shouldn't be liable for distributing it.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049870)

It can make them liable. If they are distributing it knowing that it will be used for illegal purposes, then they may be liable. Of course this is a civil case, but the related concept is accessory to a crime [wikipedia.org] .

If you are selling guns, and market them as, "the best for killing your neighbor," and someone takes it and kills his neighbor, you may be accused as an accessory to the crime as well. This is what happened to Limewire: the court concluded that Limewire was encouraging copyright infringement. If their website had discouraged people from downloading materials illegally, and had trackers for various linux distros, they probably would have been ok. Note: IANAL (but I am right ;)

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049956)

But using Limewire to download music and videos is not illegal unless the music and videos are copyrighted. The music and film industries would like everyone to forget that non-copyrighted music and videos does exist...

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36050048)

Copyrighted music and videos are also legal to download in many cases.

Exhibit A: Creative Commons licensing.
Exhibit B: The Official Lady GaGa Youtube channel (streaming is technically still downloading)

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050052)

By "non-copyrighted" I mean to refer to material either whose copyright term has expired and has entered the public domain, or material whose "copyright" is specifically intended to give you the right to copy it. But either way, copying those materials would not be illegal, and the music and film industries want you to forget the existence of music and videos which are perfectly legal to copy.

Re:Posting free/shareware doesn't make CNET liable (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050018)

Various US civil litigation results have held hosting organizations immune for the actions of users that post comments, files, and so on. Much has to do with the site's EULA, and how the TCA works to hold hosting orgs harmless. If CNet came up with ad copy that said yeah, download music for free! then they're likely still not culpable because there is music that can be downloaded legally-- bereft of copyright protection-- for free. Encouraging people to download legally free music is protected, too. LimeWire was ultimately stupid for many reasons covered here before. CNet is merely a distributor of stuff. I don't think they encourage downloading software illegally or using the tools they offer to do so. Ad banners around various products are likely provided by the product makers or their agents.

If you go by a Lamar billboard on the freeway and it encourages illegal action, Lamar isn't liable. (yes, CBS owns billboards and CNet, too, oddly). I'm pretty sure that same protection is afforded in this case, but IANAL and dislike them anyway.

And they turn on themselves (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049354)

May both parties in this suffer ruinous lawyers fees, regardless of the outcome.

Google led me to CNET for limewire downloads (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049362)

Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser let me actually download the executable.

Intel's "Pentium Processors" allowed me to run the software.

Go get em boys!

good luck.

Re:Google led me to CNET for limewire downloads (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049502)

Not only that but your parents and your grade school teacher taught you how to read - without that skill, you wouldn't have been able to find and download limewire. Sue the teachers, and the parents - hell sue everyone.

Re:Google led me to CNET for limewire downloads (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049636)

But, listening to the song on the radio made me want to download it in the first place.

And the record companies made the recordings to be put on the radio.

So it's all their fault if you ask me. Go sue the record companies!

Re:Google led me to CNET for limewire downloads (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049690)

At the rate they are going, I am sure they will get to it eventually. After all, lawyers would still make money under that model.

still using LimeWire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049372)

Who still uses LimeWire? Pretty sure most piracy involves MegaUpload and torrents.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049380)

What? By that logic then any download site that offered LimeWire, Napster, or Grokster are in the same boat

Next Lawsuit Target: Google (5, Insightful)

Covalent (1001277) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049382)

CBS should sue Google for providing searches that linked to CNET which, in turn, linked to LimeWire. If it weren't for Google, most people would not have found CNET, and then LimeWire, and then typed in the movie they wanted to download illegally, then waited for that download to finish, then watched that movie. After Google is successfully sued, I suggest CBS should sue "eyes". Without "eyes", computer users wouldn't be able to intercept photons from Google, thus never finding CNET, LimeWire, Movies. After eyes are successfully sued, all people will have to have DRM-enabled "SuperEyes (TM)" installed, thus eliminating the problem and freeing the world from dirty, nasty piracy.

Re:Next Lawsuit Target: Google (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049428)

Photons should be sued while we are at it, along with quantum mechanics. Hell, suing space-time as well might be the best way to ensure that all bases are covered. Or we can just put all the layers in the b-ark and send them to the nearest dying star.

Re:Next Lawsuit Target: Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049642)

Yes! B-Ark will save us. We can tell them that the ark is going to Holy SueLand...a place where all the legal workers have millions just for solving problems created by themselves ...and they wear expensive suits ...and they brag about their expensive cars .......oh...sh*t...somewhere in the Universe are people laughing at us!!

It's all Alki's fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049514)

If Alki David never created films, then nobody would have downloaded them. Ultimately, Alki is most responsible for the "piracy".

Re:Next Lawsuit Target: Google (1)

djchristensen (472087) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049554)

Don't forget about the manufacturer of the servers, network gear, cabling, racks, etc that CNET uses. And the contractor that built the building the equipment is in. And the local restaurants that provide sustenance to the people that keep the servers running. And the local governments that profited (via taxes) from the ill gotten gains CNET took in as a result of the blatant infringement. And the parents of the children who receive public education payed for by those taxes. And the ...

Re:Next Lawsuit Target: Google (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049730)

After Google is successfully sued, I suggest CBS should sue "eyes".

Maybe that explains their logo [wikipedia.org] . It's not like that because they want people to watch, it's a "Wanted" poster for pirating eyes everywhere.

Re:Next Lawsuit Target: Google (1)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049952)

They should just sue Mozilla, Microsoft, Google and Opera for providing the web browsers used to access the downloads. Then the world would finally be safe. Won't someone think of the children?

Re:Next Lawsuit Target: Google (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050100)

CBS isn't the one suing CNet. CBS owns CNet, and is being sued.

Hm, there's either some delicious irony going on here, or somebody's playing devil's advocate.

Yet another (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049394)

Yet another reason why the legal system in the united states should be fixed, another questionable group of lawyers attempting to black mail money out of another organization because they could not find enough accident victims to chase down.

Re:Yet another (3, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049590)

Or mesothelioma sufferers. As a physician I find it ridiculous - do you know how many cases of mesothelioma there are every year? It's astonishingly small (3000 cases per YEAR in the US). The ONLY reason lawyers pursue it so aggressively is because it's very easy to miss.

Re:Yet another (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36050166)

As a physician...

No, I'm sorry, you are not.

Sue Dell and Cisco next (1)

Sabalon (1684) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049396)

Dell made the computers that people downloaded Limewire from CNET.
Cisco routed the packets.
Kingston made the RAM.
Seagate made the hard drives that stored it.

Re:Sue Dell and Cisco next (1)

mordenkhai (1167617) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049520)

You are missing the mastermind behind all of this. The entity that needs to drive usage, and consumption in order to reap profits..... the electric company! They enable piracy, porn, and terrorist communication! How do they get away with it!?!? Down with electricity!!!

Violence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049402)

I know we are more "evolved" at this point, but why do I feel that the right message would be to just find stupid execs and beat the snot out of them for being incredibly stupid.

We can even use bricks of their money to beat em.

LOL Wut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049408)

The Limewire software is free, and is no more or less legal than a VHS tape desk. It's like CNET was giving away VHS tapedecks with no tapes. GEEZ.

Can intent of end-user be determined? (2)

l0c0 (573461) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049426)

LImewire isn't used exclusively to download copyrighted material right? So isn't suing Cnet/Download.com for providing copies of Limewire something like suing Home Depot for selling crowbars that somebody MIGHT use to break into a home? Can Cnet be held responsible for how somebody uses the tools/utilities they provide if those tools/utilties aren't exclusively JUST for downloading copyrighted material?

Re:Can intent of end-user be determined? (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049540)

The plaintiffs contend that CNET encouraged people to use LimeWire to violate copyright. One of the plaintiffs, Mike Mozart, has spent the last year collecting alleged examples of this; it's an odd mix of material that spans a decade and multiple sites from ZDNET to CNET.

It's not a matter of how the software can be used, it's a matter of how the software was being promoted. Advertising "Download this software and share documents with your friends" is different from promoting "Download this software and get the latest hits from well known music artists A, B, and C." When you promote the software as a tool to violate copyright, you can't claim that it's an unintentional way for the software to be used.

Re:Can intent of end-user be determined? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049646)

Well insofar as pretty much everything you can download IS copyrighted - be it the poem you wrote, this post I am writing, grandma's photos, or Mass Effect 2, I would say that limewire is used to download any copyrighted material. Now the question remains about who had permission to distribute what. I promise not to sue you for reading this post.

Re:Can intent of end-user be determined? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36050036)

> Well insofar as pretty much everything you can download IS copyrighted

You should try reading the Wikipedia article on "public domain" since you clearly have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Copyrights expire and copyright law didn't exist throughout the majority of history. There's an enormous amount of stuff out there that is not copyrighted.

Re:Can intent of end-user be determined? (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049936)

LImewire isn't used exclusively to download copyrighted material right? So isn't suing Cnet/Download.com for providing copies of Limewire something like suing Home Depot for selling crowbars that somebody MIGHT use to break into a home? Can Cnet be held responsible for how somebody uses the tools/utilities they provide if those tools/utilties aren't exclusively JUST for downloading copyrighted material?

Except for works truly in the public domain, anything downloaded is copyrighted material. That includes, CC, GPL, and other works placed under free terms. So yes, LimeWire is used primarily to download copyrighted material. But what the people in control of the various media industries neglect to say is that not all of that is illegally downloaded copyrighted material.

I suspect that they are purposely encouraging this little bit of confusion in order to simply condition the masses (the consumers, not the thinking customers) to think "Downloading and copying bad, period. Buy from Wal-Mart or Amazon and keep it legal." Keep their awareness of legally free alternatives to a minimum, and suppress those works if at all possible so they can keep control of the means of distribution (can't control means of production, so we go to the next step in the chain.)

Quote (-1, Offtopic)

cosm (1072588) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049436)

Is it just me, or did somebody dump a box of fortune cookies in the QOTD?

Re:Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049486)

Is it just me, or did somebody dump a box of fortune cookies in the QOTD?

Somebody should dump more often

Re:Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049512)

Nope, I see it too.

Re:Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049758)

Yes % they % did

It's the same old shit, really (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049454)

If producing and distributing P2P software is a crime, then producing and selling guns should be a crime too. People use guns to commit crimes too.

It's so easy to understand that I'm clueless as to why no attorney has been able to use the above reasoning to persuade even the most stupid judge in the US.

Re:It's the same old shit, really (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049630)

It's so easy to understand why you're clueless because you don't read.

The plaintiffs contend that CNET encouraged people to use LimeWire to violate copyright. One of the plaintiffs, Mike Mozart, has spent the last year collecting alleged examples of this; it's an odd mix of material that spans a decade and multiple sites from ZDNET to CNET.

If CNET promoted Limewire as a tool to violate copyrights, and this is proven in court, CNET is going to be paying out. It's not simply that it can violate copyrights, it's that it was made to do so. Since you bring the gun analogy up, lets reapply it after reading: It would be similar to a gun company advertising their guns as being especially suited for gas station stickups, and another model for bank theft.

Re:It's the same old shit, really (4, Insightful)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049786)

Did they promote Limewire as a tool to violate copyrights? Or did they merely promote it as a tool to download music and videos?

The former is like touting your guns as a great way to take people's jewelry and get rid of obnoxious spouses. The latter is like proclaiming that your guns are really good at killing, and it's up to you to figure out that there are both legal and illegal times to kill.

Re:It's the same old shit, really (1)

softWare3ngineer (2007302) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050124)

i haven't seen an ISP that doesn't do this. 'higher bandwidth packages are a great way to download movies and music' i very much doubt that CNET would go out of their way to say that its users should willfully infringe on another's copyright. How ever if a user wrote that in a comments section, then CNET still is liable for their users.

Re:It's the same old shit, really (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049656)

It's so easy to understand that I'm clueless as to why no attorney has been able to use the above reasoning to persuade even the most stupid judge in the US.

I suspect that the Second Amendment might just have something to do with it.

Re:It's the same old shit, really (2)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049710)

lol you do realize we are based on laws, right? And laws don't have to make sense. If we, as a people, decide that red roses should be illegal in front yards, but yellow roses are fine, then that will be the law. You can argue it as long as you want with the most impeccable logic, but in the court, law is greater than logic.

In our legal system, guns are legal. That is enshrined in the constitution, as interpreted according to the system laid out for interpreting the constitution. If you want to win an argument in court, you have to argue based on law, not based on common sense. Common sense doesn't apply (and actually, for good reasons).

Re:It's the same old shit, really (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049846)

In our legal system, guns are legal

And in your legal system, distributing P2P software, so that people can share for example free software, is illegal too?

Re:It's the same old shit, really (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049964)

No. Under US law (and most other legal systems), intent matters. In the case of Limewire, the court concluded that they were distributing the software with the understanding and intent that the users would download copyrighted material.

If Limewire had been promoting their software primarily as a way to share free software, they would have been ok. But they didn't.

Re:It's the same old shit, really (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049910)

Seeing that some people use Constitutional rights as an argument against my guns analogy, I am amending it as follows:

Cars can be used to commit crimes too. For example, to transport stolen goods, even to kill people. So does making and selling cars make you punishable for contributing to those crimes?

Lawsuit among rich people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049456)

*snore* *snore* *snore* *snore**snore**snore**snore*
It affects me how? Oh. I can't do nottin abow dit?

*snore* *snore**snore**snore**snore*

They should sue Best Buy, Walmart, and ISP! (1)

Cito (1725214) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049504)

Computers were purchased at Best Buy and Walmart that were then connected to the internet via an ISP. From there, they were able to search google/bing/yahoo/lycos/altavista/webcrawler/etc which is how they got onto CNET from there they were able to download limewire and aquire all the movie screeners before they hit the theaters due to screener leaks usually caused by the very same movie studios that work with MPAA. oh ok then let's sue the MPAA, they work closely with Movie Studios whose screeners at times leak before the movie has even hit the theater. :) oh hell, lets just sue everyone in the United States... lets bring so many lawsuits in front of the court that everyone needing to go to court will have a 100 year waiting list on their lawsuit.

Hey... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049518)

Let's sue the gun stores for selling the guns used in crimes, too!
Oh, wait...

Re:Hey... (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049972)

That has actually been tried. In addition, several municipalities sued gun manufacturers for selling guns used in crimes. I do not remember if that got to the Supreme Court or if it was knocked down by Circuit Courts (if the latter it was at least two). I suspect (and hope) that this case will have similar results.

WTF? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049560)

Am I the only one seeing all this stuff at the bottom of the threads here?

Try the Moo Shu Pork. It is especially good today. % Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance. % Try to have as good a life as you can under the circumstances. % Try to relax and enjoy the crisis. -- Ashleigh Brilliant % Try to value useful qualities in one who loves you. % Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week. % Tuesday is the Wednesday of the rest of your life. % What happened last night can happen again. % While you recently had your problems on the run, they've regrouped and are making another attack. % Write yourself a threatening letter and pen a defiant reply. % You are a bundle of energy, always on the

While evil... (1)

guspasho (941623) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049592)

While evil, this trend poses some interesting possibilities. If Cnet has to take a hit, then maybe the RIAA/MPAA will sue the telcos next, and they'll sue each other in to bankruptcy.

why not sue comcast they let download over P2P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049704)

why not sue comcast they let download over P2P

Safe Harbour? (3, Interesting)

TrueSatan (1709878) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049716)

On the face of it (and IANAL) I would have to wonder if a defence under the "safe harbour" provisions of the DMCA might apply (these same provisions allow YouTube et al to host content without being liable for copyright infringement so long as they abide by the requirements of the DMCA with respect to "take down notices" as and when any that are of a legal form and correctness are sent to them.) If CNET were to be sent such a notice and to refuse to comply with it there would also be the question of the legality of the notice to consider...if the plaintiff had the right to issue the notice. I can see that lawyers are going to make a lot of money...yet again.

Re:Safe Harbour? (1)

ninthbit (623926) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049842)

Problem is, Limeware isn't the infringing material, it is only a tool commonly used by infringers. CNET can argue that their only a service provider, but with the state of the US legal system it will still cost them a fortune to end this.

Al Gore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36049854)

Without Al Gore their would be no CNET Limewire etc..... They should sue the inventor of the internet.

Obligatory Car reference (1)

Banichi (1255242) | more than 2 years ago | (#36049882)

"Peer-to-Peer Software enables Piracy in the same manner that Automobiles enable Smuggling."

The slow approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36050054)

  They seem to have taken the slow road. They should have gotten DHS involved and shutdown CNET and CBS as a preliminary to this action.

um... (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050068)

since neither Alki David or his failing company FilmOn do not own ANY of the content their talking about, what right do they have to sue? This is a publicity stunt to try and bolster his idiotic idea for streaming TV on mobile devices thats clearly doomed to failure from the start.

My house was burglarized (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050076)

Can I sue the manufacturer of the screwdriver that was used to pry open the lock on my front door?

Oh Dear God... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36050110)

The fortunes have really gone to hell now...

What about the browsers? (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 2 years ago | (#36050142)

Since browsers allow access to CNET, shouldn't they be suing Microsoft & Mozilla?

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