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Sony Delays PlayStation Network Reactivation

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the toes-in-the-hostile-waters dept.

Security 317

i4u writes "Earlier this week chatter in an IRC network led to speculation of a third attack on Sony's network. For its part, the company steadfastly promised that at least some services would resume by the end of this week. But now it looks like Sony has given up on that goal. The PSN reactivation has been delayed. Sony's explanation? They were 'unaware' of the extent of the attacks on their system."

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I don't care. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066086)

Iâ(TM)m sorry, but I really donâ(TM)t have time for this. In the fucking WEEKS since my Play Station became worthless, me and my cute Emo boyfriends have been strutting around in our Speed Racer briefs sporting awesome erections, and now weâ(TM)re just too hot and bothered to care about Sony.

Re:I don't care. (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066116)

Sony America CEO Howard Stringer, is that you?

Re:I don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066144)

â(TM) ?

Are you trying to use the wrong character for apostrophes? It's ', which isn't really that hard to type.

Re:I don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066368)

Not all keyboards resemble the US standard keyboard layout. Particularly ones outside the US and English-speaking Canada.

Re:I don't care. (1)

GumphMaster (772693) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066656)

Try a deceptively familiar Turkish Q keyboard to type English text some time. For a while many an apostrophe will be wanting and letter i dot-less.

Re:I don't care. (2)

BlueScreenO'Life (1813666) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066510)

No, just trying to trademark the circumflex marked 'a'.

Re:I don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066840)

No, slashdot has a problem with anything other than 7-bit ASCII. And he's probably using a browser with shitty encoding support.

Not Aware? (5, Interesting)

Squiddie (1942230) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066108)

Well, what ARE they doing scheduling reactivation if they are not aware of the extent of the attacks? Something tells me that Sony just has poor handle on everything security related.

Re:Not Aware? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066128)

Sony security is handled with 3 chimps and a hamster. You can't expect anything more from that motley crew, except the complete works of Shakespeare done on a typewriter.

Re:Not Aware? (5, Funny)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066146)

I've seen hamsters escape.
I've seen chips use tools at the zoo.

Don't degrade them by lumping them in with Sony Security.

Re:Not Aware? (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066500)

I've seen chips use tools at the zoo.

British chips or US chips?

Re:Not Aware? (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066648)

Micro chips. Skynet became self-aware a few weeks ago, but they were able to stop him thanks to a perfectly-timed DMCA notice sent by a certain J. Goldblum.

Re:Not Aware? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066192)

s/security/technology/

Re:Not Aware? (5, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066654)

Well, what ARE they doing scheduling reactivation if they are not aware of the extent of the attacks? Something tells me that Sony just has poor handle on everything security related.

Really? This is something you are berating Sony for?

They are doing the exact right thing here. First, they assessed the damage and worked to get PSN up as fast as possible. During that process, they discovered that the intrusion was more extensive than they thought, and instead of simply bringing PSN back up on their original schedule, they are allowing new information to alter their plans.

If this were some Linux archive, like for example sourceforge, or the Debian repositories, and they did the exact same thing, you'd be heaping praise upon them for doing the right thing and not adhering to bullshit corporate image demands, but since it's Sony who's doing the right thing, it must be bad somehow, right?

Re:Not Aware? (0)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066886)

For one, I'm not aware of any past cases of Debian (or any other distro) repositories going down for two and a half weeks to clean up the mess. But at least with repos it's actually explainable - the attackers could have inserted malicious code into packages, so you need to audit or roll back to last backup. What is it about PSN that warrants such a long downtime? Just re-image all servers running the thing, one by one, to ensure no backdoors remain, and bring it all back up. It doesn't take two weeks!

Another thing is that Debian users don't pay anything to access the repos, nor for Debian themselves. In this case we have an army of paying customers locked out of a major feature of the product.

Re:Not Aware? (-1, Flamebait)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066894)

Hi node 3. While I understand that you need to support the people who pay your salary, it's obvious when you defend the indefensible that you are nothing but a Sony shill. The fact that Sony cares so little about security that they neglect to use firewalls, much less anything like encryption to protect the information that belongs to their customers (and not to Sony), demonstrates that they cannot tell their proverbial arses from their elbows.

You can blow the Sony trumpet all you want, but anyone who has ever set up a web-server is well aware of their incompetence.

Re:Not Aware? (4, Insightful)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066808)

And something tells me you should read up on your computer forensics. Not knowing the extent of the damage immediately is common in most computer forensics investigation. At the end of the day you're simply pointing your finger at Sony without evidence or legitimate reason. Skepticism is good, criticism without reason or evidence is foolish.

Who & Why (4, Interesting)

F34nor (321515) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066172)

is this black hat or revenge for the removal of install other os?

Re:Who & Why (3, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066244)

Yay, let's take revenge on the removal of OtherOS by removing the remaining features from our PlayStations, and those of all our friends! Pissing off the gaming community is sure to garner their support and goodwill!

Re:Who & Why (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066324)

Never attribute to malice (of "hackers") that which is adequately explained by stupidity (of Sony).

Re:Who & Why (3, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066446)

Yes, I'm sure Sony just accidentally forced hackers to break into their system. Just like when you forget to lock your doors, you are forcing someone to rob you.

Re:Who & Why (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066594)

If you leave your keys the ignition in the car here and it gets stolen, guess who gets charges brought against them.

Re:Who & Why (0)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066702)

If you leave your keys the ignition in the car here and it gets stolen, guess who gets charges brought against them.

The person who stole the car gets charges brought against them. It's not illegal to leave your keys in your car, but it is illegal to take a car that isn't yours, even if there are keys in the ignition.

The context of your post implies you think it's the other way around, which really boggles the mind.

Re:Who & Why (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066738)

Actually, yes, it is illegal to leave keys in your car ignition.

So both get the charges and insurance doesn't cover it.

Re:Who & Why (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066628)

Actually, Sony CLAIMS that hackers broke into their systems. They CLAIM to have found an incriminating file which they ATTRIBUTE TO Anonymous. Actually, none of us knows what the hell happened. Personally, I'm not believing much that Sony says. How's that saying go? "Pictures, or it didn't happen!"

Re:Who & Why (5, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066348)

My suspicion(totally without any unusual knowledge, of course) is that it is a mixture: The core penetrations, and the exfiltration of CC details and other identity-thefty stuff look a lot like the usual commercially motivated electronic criminal activity. However, the sorts of people who do that are opportunists, and generally not morons: Sony's current deep unpopularity with a segment of ideological hackers/bored 4channers likely provides both a certain amount of 'free' security testing done by third parties and then dumped into forums and chatrooms, there for the taking, and provides a certain amount of concealment: If only through sheer bulk, wading through all the not-too-competent attacks mounted by assorted under-18s who would probably get a month in juvy and are barely worth hunting down, in order to pick out the sophisticated operators is going to be rather more difficult than just finding the sophisticated operators.

As for the support/goodwill thing, I suspect that those doing the attacks aren't really interested in that. The professional thieves, of course, don't care; because they are there for the money. Any ideological attackers don't care because they are there to make Sony bleed and/or clearly demonstrate the vulnerability of services and hardware cryptographically locked to a single service. The support of Sony's customers is worthless to them; because(by design) Sony's customers have basically no power. Creating as much angst and suffering among those customers, on the other hand(in addition to any amusement that might be derived) hurts Sony's commercial standing.

Re:Who & Why (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066642)

They can just not play games that require an online connection.
And if they have a problem with it, I'm sure there is a line in the EULA that gives Sony the right to shut down the PSN.

Re:Who & Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066786)

But Sony's whole future world depends of a vision where you ONLY play games online.

Re:Who & Why (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066912)

Pissing off the gaming community is sure to garner their support and goodwill!

Given that OtherOS was always a geek feature, there was never any support to speak of in the first place. The majority of PS users simply didn't care (and many didn't even know to care).

On the other hand, right now, Sony's image is significantly tarnished by them not being able to deal with the problem for so long. They can blame it on hackers all they want, but it's abundantly clear by now that it's also a matter of their incompetence that lead to the hack in the first place, and delays their efforts to recover. In the end, users don't really matter - all they know is that PSN is down (and will remain down, per TFA) while e.g Xbox Live works just fine.

So, as far as garnering support goes, this hack is definitely not taking any points. But as pure spiteful revenge? It's wildly successful, if you ask me.

Re:Who & Why (4, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066430)

Occam's Razor may apply. - I thought I read that they were running an unpatched version of Apache on a system without a firewall, including here on /. The motive could have simply been "low hanging fruit with a high return". The real question is "why the hell did it take so long for someone to pwn them?"

Assigning it to "them black hat hackers" seems akin to them blaming Anonymous. Normally, if it was done for hactivism, someone would have taken credit for it by now. The simplest explanation would appear to be that they did it to make money.

Maybe that was a protest after all (2, Insightful)

spaceplanesfan (2120596) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066174)

My senses suggest me that the theft of personal data is just a coveup story by Sony.
I think some angry hacker just wiped out their servers, and backups are as usual stored on /dev/null.
And so they have to rebuild the whole thing.
Anyway revenge is complete regardless of whom did that.
Sad that users are possibly affected as well.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (3, Interesting)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066194)

My senses suggest me that the theft of personal data is just a coveup story by Sony.

Because Sony would want to willingly pay for millions of dollars in identity theft services when no personal data was taken?

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066458)

It makes for a decent PR move regardless of anything being taken and helps reinforce the story that it was a theft operation. I'm not passing judgement on the validity of either theory.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (3, Insightful)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066488)

It doesn't make sense at all, a complete disaster where everything unrecoverable would be a far better story than 100 million accounts stolen both from a PR point of view and from a monetary point of view. The current situation will see them stuck in legal and financial problems for years to come not to mention a serious loss of faith with consumers.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066624)

I agree with your assessment it makes no sense at all form them say the account information was stolen unless they either know it was or can't be sure it was not. If they knew the data was not leaked they would not be writing checks for identity theft protection.

I don't understand the big mystery here. I suspect the issue is there is something very fundamentally broken about how the PSN does authentication and or authorization, and they can't figure out a way to fix it without breaking all the existing software out there. They can't go live again until they fix the hole because if anything more people know the details of the hack, and they would 0w3d again. They can't fix it unless the fix can be made at least opaque enough that a few library updates to the consoles takes care of things without having to touch application layer code, which allot of is found on ready only blue-ray disks.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (0)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066718)

It doesn't make sense at all

It makes sense if you hate Sony.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (2)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066800)

I actually hate sony, but silly conspiracy theories just make the tinfoil hat brigade look stupid. The majority of the time the simplest answer is the correct one and to suggest that sony would choose a more embaressing and costly scenario to cover up a less embaressing and costly one is like migrating from tinfoil hats to full body suits of the stuff.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (1)

spaceplanesfan (2120596) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066722)

Your comment makes a lot of sense.
However, we don't know the minds of sony execs.
Maybe they just don't want to admit that they got a sizeable blow from these hacktivits.
Maybe for them blaming criminals is better.
Maybe it was a mixed attack, just like sony said, a DDOS by script kiddies followed by professional hack done by criminals that took the advantage.
Dunno.
One thing for sure, remember that we discussed the day on which users are supposed to boycott Sony and create riots at their stores.
and how that was useless.
That PSN hack sure did damage their sales and I say that like some say, they got a return, regardless of who did that.
On the other hand, if I were a sony user I would probably mad at comment as the one I am writing.

So dunno, anyway, PSN isn't a life critical feature. Its just a game zone.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066790)

Maybe they just don't want to admit that they got a sizeable blow from these hacktivits.
Maybe for them blaming criminals is better.

I just don't see it. In the eyes of the law the hacktivists would be vandals, it might not be as serious a crime as larceny but its still a crime. I don't know about the Japanese public but the American public if anything takes a dimer view of vandalism than theft. So strictly from a PR point of view I don't see how "Crackers broke in a stole from us" is really all that different from "Crackers broke in a trashed our stuff".

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (1)

spaceplanesfan (2120596) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066850)

You are right probably.

Re:Maybe that was a protest after all (1)

anomaly256 (1243020) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066922)

They only pay if the identities are actually stolen afaik

Well, it's pretty clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066210)

...to me that Sony's headquarters are right now a war field between IT engineers, security consultants, executives, directors, marketing agents, lawyers and everyone.

On one side, consultants want to turn everything off. On the other hand, the executives want to restart the money maker machine. Finally, on the third hand, the lawyers ask for precaution.

That's why every single day they send contradictory messages all over the press and the Internet. Big corps suck big.

And? (3, Insightful)

coffii (76089) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066220)

I cant say I'm surprised, if they have to rebuild their network expect it to take months, this really isnt a case of patching a windows server and rebooting.

I expect one of the things keeping them offline will be the credit card companies, they are probably the ones in control right now.

They have to be extra careful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066234)

As soon as they put it back up it's going to be a huge target. Can you imagine the hit on Sony's reputation if it gets taken down again?

The most important thing (-1, Redundant)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066258)

“We discovered a file making a clear reference to ‘Username unknown,’” the company said in a letter to the US Congress on Wednesday, “and a blank user icon which therefore was ... anonymous! D’you see what that means? It means George Hotz and his hacker friends are loathsome criminal masterminds! So obviously we can’t be held liable for negligence in the face of forces like these. In conclusion, give us money [newstechnica.com] .”

Re:The most important thing (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066332)

They have a right to drive traffic to their site for ad hits too, err, I mean to do whatever it is they were doing.

Re:The most important thing (2)

mrcvp (1130257) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066610)

Stop plugging your own site it's lame, and you already have it in your signature.

Shocking (1)

saikou (211301) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066266)

What are they, trying to write their own web server from a scratch?

Besides, they will probably get an earful from the "security companies" they have hired, because it implies that even after all the audits not all security holes were found.

I know what's holding everything up. (5, Funny)

Lose (1901896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066270)

They're having problems re-sorting all their credit card data stored on the admin's desktop by penis again. They must not have taken a screenshot.

This could take ages.

Careful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066280)

Reactivation tests can be dangerous. How good is their synch ratio?

Original source (3, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066288)

If you'd like to actually ready what Sony has to say for themselves instead of giving clicks to the self-promoting second-hand site: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/06/service-restoration-update/ [playstation.com]

Re:Original source (2)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066380)

this blows. we should all go out and kill anyone who claims to be anonymous, this is freaking stupid go away you dam hackers

This was the only post that mentioned Anonymous in the first 50 comments. Looks like Sony's users are starting to blame them for the breach and the downtime.

Re:Original source (1, Troll)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066678)

DON'T CLICK THE LINK!! It's nothing more than official Sony brainwashing!

IRC?!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066308)

An observer of the Internet Relay Chat channel used by the hackers told CNET today that a third major attack is planned this weekend against Sony's Web site. The people involved plan to publicize all or some of the information they are able to copy from Sony's servers, which could include customer names, credit card numbers, and addresses, according to the source. The hackers claim they currently have access to some of Sony's servers.

So this observer witnessed some "hackers" in a, probably open to all, IRC channel, discussing about stolen credit card numbers and other sensitive info....

yeah, right.

Re:IRC?!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066652)

If that's what EFNet is these days, then I wonder why I left it in the first place.

Plan B (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066350)

Alright Sony. Time for you to stop what you're doing and execute plan B. Nuke n' pave your servers and rebuild from the ground up. Then, import user data and purchases from backups. Screw trying to reverse engineer the security damage. You can do that on your own time and a separate test network. Just get those customers up an running ASAP!

Re:Plan B (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066464)

Then, import user data and purchases from backups.

Backups?

Re:Plan B (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066672)

That sounds like a great plan. Put the system back online without knowing how it was cracked. That way everyone can get their new CC number stolen too! Customers will love that....

Re:Plan B (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066698)

Yes, backups. Help me out here, alright? Just where is /dev/null/? Do we keep it in the server room, or under the boss's desk, or where?

Re:Plan B (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066620)

Indeed, take the morning after pill or get an abortion and get rid of the retarded PSN and rebirth one with less genetic defects!

Re:Plan B (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066820)

Alright Sony. Time for you to stop what you're doing and execute plan B. Nuke n' pave your servers and rebuild from the ground up. Then, import user data and purchases from backups. Screw trying to reverse engineer the security damage. You can do that on your own time and a separate test network. Just get those customers up an running ASAP!

Might still take months,...,years. And if they do not do it better this time, they will just get hacked again. It is now known that they are an easy target. I agree that the attack analysis is a red herring. It is however quite possible that is the only thing they can do at the moment, or rather the outside security experts they brought in. Don't forget this is a Japanese company. TEPCO comes to mind.

HR (1)

pjh3000 (583652) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066406)

I think they might need to hire more than one person to work on this.

Hmm ... (2)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066422)

Translation:
"Someone changed the passwords to something other than the defaults and we can't get back into the servers again."

Re:Hmm ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066502)

They're running unpatched Apache servers, anybody can get back into them again.

ZING

Translating corporate-speak (5, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066442)

Sony:

"We're still working to confirm the security of the network infrastructure, as well as working with a variety of outside entities to confirm with them of the security of the system. Verifying the system security is vital for the process of restoration. Additional comprehensive system checks and testing are still required, and we must complete that process before bringing the systems online."

To understand this, read VISA International's "What to Do if Compromised. [visa.com] .

"Working with a variety of outside entities to confirm with them of the security of the system." means VISA International and/or MasterCard, Inc have invoked their contractual rights to send in auditors, security experts, and computer forensics experts. They do that for big security breaches. "Additional comprehensive system checks and testing are still required, and we must complete that process before bringing the systems online." means "VISA, etc. won't let us go back on line until we pass their security tests."

So Sony isn't entirely in control of when they go back on line.

Re:Translating corporate-speak (2, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066604)

Damn good thing, too. I have no particular love for the credit card companies, but I trust them to act in their best interest here, which is:
A) Ensure that people are happy with using their credit cards (which means their data isn't getting stolen, and they aren't needing to replace their cards, and ideally anybody whose card info did get stolen gets it re-issued with a new number and expiration immediately).
B) Ensure that they aren't going to have to eat a bunch of fraudulent charges (a large batch of fraudulent charges is a huge headache, and possibly impacts their bottom line; I believe in a case like this they can make Sony pay instead though).
C) Ensure that this won't happen again next month (meaning Sony has to actually get their security right this time).

These goals are either beneficial or irrelevant to me, as a credit card user. However, they contrast strongly with Sony's interests, which are:
A) Get PSN et. al. up again ASAP (customers want this, but if it's not secure this time they'll just be attacked again).
B) Get people to pay them money again (the credit card agencies won't allow this while there's a high risk of that info getting stolen).
C) PR damage control (sorry guys, you screwed the pooch and have already lost your reputation for security).

The only one of those that benefits anybody outside the company is (A), (B) would help the credit card companies except I'm sure this fiasco cost them, and (C) is arguably detrimental to the ability of customers to make informed decisions.

Re:Translating corporate-speak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066606)

The sad thing is, that they probably already went through this when they set up the thing in the first place. Didn't help much.

Although to be honest, I also thing it's really NOT COOL if someone intentionally caused that much destruction.
(Yes, I still think Sony is FAIL for keeping their network that insecure. But come on. If I did it, I would have a bad conscience.)

Maybe one can say: If you act like a dick (Sony), someone will act like a dick on you (the attackers).

Re:Translating corporate-speak (2)

debrain (29228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066778)

So Sony isn't entirely in control of when they go back on line.

Sir –

Why not provide the service for free until Sony fixes their payment problem?

Pandimentional Super-Inteligent Mice. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066484)

Perhaps this is just further testing of their hypothesis:

If you only slightly abuse the consumers, they will dump you for another company that treats them better; However, If you abuse your customers thoroughly enough they will never leave you.

Instead they'll start making excuses for their abusers: "It's not Sony's fault! They were pwn'd by 1337 haxorz, see they still love me, they promise not to be reckless like that ever again..."

Ultimately, after being subjected to enough abuse, they begin lying to themselves: "I'm sorry, Sony, please don't raise the prices. You can charge me again, I'm just grateful for the DRM you let me pay for, I'll try not to loose my downloaded data anymore... You're right, I should have backed up my data -- How stupid of me to think you'd let me re-download without paying, It's not like it costs you nothing to retransmit me the file -- I'll pay for a better connection next time."

"We're sorry for wanting to use the hardware the way we want -- You're right Sony, Hackers ARE bad. I see now that I should loathe Anonymous and Mr. Hotz -- People like that rob me of my PSN, and cause cheating -- It's not like I should expect my player hosted online matches to work without your amazing authentication server to coordinate the connection -- Yes, I'm sorry, I am too untrustworthy to be given the option of entering the IP addresses of our peers, please give me back the central network! I'll behave! I promise!"

Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 (2)

skirmish666 (1287122) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066490)

Has anyone heard what Capcom has to say about people who would like to play their games?

Outdated servers? yes, 2.2.11 and 2.2.10 (2)

Tei (520358) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066494)

There has ben some rumours, back and for, discussing about what versions where installed in Sony servers.

Based on this nmap of the network:
http://pastebin.com/bAUHxtNr [pastebin.com]

Nmap scan report for account.rc.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.177)
Host is up (0.077s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)

Nmap scan report for login.rc.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.162)
Host is up (0.085s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.

Nmap scan report for commerce.rc.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.135)
Host is up (0.071s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 998 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
80/tcp closed http
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)

Nmap scan report for auth.rc.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.136)
Host is up (0.075s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)

Nmap scan report for store.rc.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.140)
Host is up (0.070s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)

Nmap scan report for rc.store.playstation.net (199.108.4.141)
Host is up (0.080s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 998 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
80/tcp open http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 ((Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)

Nmap scan report for native.rc.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.144)
Host is up (0.073s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.11 (mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i)

* login server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)
* account server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)
* commerce server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)
* auth server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)
* store server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)
* rc store server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)
* native server 2.2.11 (version from 2008)

There are some talking about the server auth.np.ac.playstation.net. That one was updated.

Nmap scan report for auth.np.ac.playstation.net (199.108.4.73)
Host is up (0.070s latency).
Scanned at 2011-04-05 22:53:40 MDT for 428s
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
443/tcp open ssl/http Apache httpd 2.2.17

TL:DR
YES, Sony was using outdated servers. Unpatched? no idea.

Two weeks was fraudulently optimistic (3, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066498)

Look at what they're doing here:
      - completely rearchitecting their security and network
      - completely reimplementing their security and network
      - physically moving the servers
      - redeploying this worldwide

Two weeks? I don't f@#4ing think so. They're just stringing you along or they really do have no idea what they're doing (I'll buy either).

I wouldn't use it for a couple weeks either till they work out the bugs. Me, I've been playing Portal 2 on PC.

Re:Two weeks was fraudulently optimistic (4, Funny)

lennier (44736) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066568)

Look at what they're doing here:

      - completely rearchitecting their security and network

      - completely reimplementing their security and network

      - physically moving the servers

      - redeploying this worldwide

You forgot:

* deploying mirrorshades razorgirls to the BAMA Sprawl to hunt the console cowboys who cracked their ICE
* impersonating the Eastern Seaboard Fission Authority
* burning Chrome

I love living in the squalid cyberfuture.

Re:Two weeks was fraudulently optimistic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066696)

Look at what they're doing here:

      - completely rearchitecting their security and network

      - completely reimplementing their security and network

      - physically moving the servers

      - redeploying this worldwide

You forgot:

* deploying mirrorshades razorgirls to the BAMA Sprawl to hunt the console cowboys who cracked their ICE
* impersonating the Eastern Seaboard Fission Authority
* burning Chrome

I love living in the squalid cyberfuture.

>mirrorshades razorgirls console cowboys cracked ICE
>burning Chrome

I giggled.

Re:Two weeks was fraudulently optimistic (1)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066848)

I would mod you up if I could, Hiro

Re:Two weeks was fraudulently optimistic (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066802)

If they are doing anything at all a this time. It is quite possible they are still trying to grasp what the external security experts have told them. In my opinion that could well have been "You cannot repair this trash. Throw it _all_ away, sack the incompetent idiots responsible for this (and that includes management) and start over. Time: 1-2 years at least."

Sony: (0)

Bytesahoy (1951076) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066512)

you dun goof'd.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. (4, Insightful)

SniperJoe (1984152) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066524)

I hate to defend Sony here (it'll probably cost me some karma), but it seems like they're in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario. A week and a half ago, they disclosed the nature of the personal information breach and everyone seemed to be clamoring about how long it took them to say something. In this case, they release more information during their press conference a few days later, then they discovered that it was a bit worse than they had thought and now everyone is pointing the finger at them because they released information that was incorrect. In a perfect world, we would all be able to release completely accurate information right after the event, but everyone here knows the difficulty in that.

Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066574)

Clearly wanting them to release CORRECT information in a TIMELY manner is an unrealistic expectation. They don't get any cookies from me any time they do one and not the other.

Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0, Flamebait)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066584)

I am totally fed up with you anti-Sony people having a field day with this story. IT HAPPENED. It could have happened to your sacred Apple, Microsoft, or Nintendo. Give the hater shit a fucking rest...seriously. Getting lame. Story Update! Then I get all excited to read, just to hear some basement dwelling fucktard bitch about the rootkit from almost a decade ago. Give me a break. You can buy or steal good music everywhere, just because Justin Timberlake's CD fuck up your shit and your're 36 doesn't make it an issue for everyone. You don't buy Sony anymore? Oh, you'll be missed. My 52" Bravia with an out of the box home theater from 14 years ago will be doing just fine. Why don't you post on some other story? Perhaps iphone or Drioid tracking? Something you can be relevant in.

Sorry about the rant. All I wanted to say was that a large corporations like Sony have a massive IT crew on trhis, and its a fucking joke that its been almost a month. I'm as pissed as you guys are. ts not two Spherion hired lackeys fixing this shit. Im very pissed off about the whole thing, how long its taking, etc. It IS bullshit, but it happens, to everyone. I've been calmly waiting it out, I think everyone else can. Data breaches happen, what can you do? If it's so imporant for to you to complain about old shit, you might want to check yourself and the life you lead. Just beacause I owned a Pontiac Fiero doesn't make all GM cars garbage. If you longer buy Sony, why comment? To whoever this might offend, fuck you, seriously, wait until Kroger gets hacked and they steal all your government assitance info. Keep jerking off to porn on your Vizio. Dickheads.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (1)

kanguro (1237830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066664)

Hey guys, he he hehe he.. I'm sorry to bother my I'm with Sony Tech Crew.. I need some help here.. he hehe he someone know something about apaches?... he hehe hehe..

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (1)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066716)

Are you guys hiring? =D I prefer PR or Marketing!!

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066710)

It's basically the size of their mistake and the dishonesty that's bothering everyone. They have to offer identity theft protection services to the victims, the government wants to know what's going on, the FBI is involved, VISA and Mastercard have to audit their online system before they'll be allowed to take payments again. This has all occurred shortly after they made a legal attack on GeoHot and others for trying to make the system more open, all that effort into alleged security and they didn't even bother to firewall their network. If you don't see why this is such a big deal you're in denial.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066794)

I'm a victim myself, but I don't see GeoHot as Che Guevara or Jesus. I didn't care that they took away the Other OS option..really..all I wanted to do is play games that I bought. Theres been huge ID theft stories before, and there will be again, but c'mon. I know its a big deal, its a mind boggling amount of people, and if you want to bring GeoHot into this, the average human will be very fucked off. We didn't want, nor care to, fight his war. Think about it, does Joe Citizen miss OtherOS or playing Modern Warfare 2?

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066744)

Uh OH, we got an ANGRY little man here!!!!
Hhahaha, we are laughing at you bro, not with you.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066750)

I am totally fed up with you anti-Sony people having a field day with this story. IT HAPPENED. It could have happened to your sacred Apple, Microsoft, or Nintendo

Says a lot when Sony's karma is in worse shape than Microsoft's.

As long as people are stupid enough to keep giving money to Sony, they have no real incentive to change.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066752)

"I've been calmly waiting it out, I think everyone else can."

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (1)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066866)

Thats a sentece in your """. not a word. Yes, wooosh, I get it.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066758)

It is a systemic problem at Sony, who fosters a culture of incompetence and arrogance when it comes to security. You cannot see that? Well, in that case, please throw more money their way like a good sheep.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066784)

ME TOO. This is retarded, everyone acts like they themselves have implemented a secure gaming network.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066788)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! One of the biggest corporate security breaches of all time and you fucking Sony losers are calling it "hater shit," how fucking stupid and out of touch with reality can you be? Enough to buy a PS3 I suppose.

Fucking butthurt little loser. Getting tired of having your favourite waste of money dragged through the mud are you? Maybe you can ask one of the people who now have your credit card number to buy you a console that's actually -worth- a few hundred bucks you fucking knob. Go back to masturbating in front of your piece of shit Bravia and pretending like you made the right decision, your parents probably do the same thing when they think about you.

TL;DR: XBox.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066870)

Thanks, anonymous. Do you work for Sony or just a dripping wet pussy>

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (-1, Flamebait)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066880)

Oh, and I'm sure you own a Vizion and jerk off to Gears of War 3 trailers. Please mod flamebait.

Re:Fuck you, and I do mean YOU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066822)

> Sorry about the rant.

Don't apologize. I've never had any direct benefit from PSN since I don't play computer games, but watching Sony fanboys explode with nerdrage, week after week, is mildly entertaining, so in this way you could actually say it's made PSN a more effective source of entertainment for me. Not that I give a shit about Sony one way or the other: enraged fanboys are always amusing, whatever their affiliation. Please continue!

Thwir system is just far to broken (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066690)

My guess: The external IT security experts they have had to contract are refusing to sign off on the "repaired" system, because it is just far too broken. Maybe it cannot be repaired at all, which would mean either a few more months of outage or a good likelihood of getting hacked again in a short time.

So what if it happens again? (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066780)

Will Sony keep delaying the reactivation? :P

Re:So what if it happens again? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066860)

I'm betting it won't get reactivated until the PlayStation 4 comes out.

This is by far the biggest IT clusterfuck in histo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36066844)

Sony is handling this outage in such a bad way, seriously, it's been what, 2 weeks?

They had no time frame for a resolution and when they set one ("next week") they failed miserably.

Utter failure from Sony.

I own a PS3 and at this point, I no longer give a fuck.

This is by far the biggest IT clusterfuck in history.

I work in IT and having systems down for a few hours is a catastrophe.

Having to shut down everything for 2 weeks?

I can't imagine how deep a hole they've dug themselves.

FUCK SONY. I WANT THEM TO BE PUBLICLY SHAMED AND FALL EVEN FURTHER IN DISREPUTE.

They only deserve it.

Re:This is by far the biggest IT clusterfuck in hi (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066910)

Sony is handling this outage in such a bad way, seriously, it's been what, 2 weeks?

As of tomorrow morning, it will have been 20 days since the outage started (April 20th) and 24 days since the breach occurred (April 16th). If they're not expecting to have it up this week (which doesn't surprise me, I said it would be around a month as soon as we learned what happened), then it'll end up being at least 27 days since the outage started and 31 days since the breach.

I don't want rewards, bonuses, freebies. I just want them to be an example of a humble and gracious company communicating with customers in an honest and direct way that shows they appreciate their customer base and understands that their customers are neither idiots nor ignorant. And, more than that, I just want them to get the shit secure and running again.

Until then, it makes it easy to decide on the "which console do I buy this game for?" front. Buy it for the system I can actually play it on. :)

Direct Fucking Link Here (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36066932)

Rather than Slashdot linking to some site called "I4U" which links to Joystiq, which links to the article on Sony's playstation site, how about we just fucking link to the Sony article and do away with the blog self-promotion chain?

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/06/service-restoration-update/ [playstation.com]

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