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No Pirate Bay for Comcast Customers

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the blame-brownian-motion dept.

Piracy 230

An anonymous reader writes with a PC World article, according to which "The Pirate Bay is unavailable for customers of Comcast, even as the torrent site remains online for other users. Problems began early Thursday morning, when several Comcast users told TorrentFreak that they were having issues with The Pirate Bay. Commenters at Techland and Engadget are confirming that they can't access the site." Right now, I'm on a Comcast connection in Pennsylvania, and get an "Ooops, could not connect" message when I try to reach The Pirate Bay.

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230 comments

Inevitable (5, Insightful)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109172)

And so the building of the Comcast/NBC walled garden begins.

Re:Inevitable (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109400)

Yep. That's what happens when you have unconstitutional federal regulations like the FCC going out and limiting competition. The blocking of TPB is just a tactic to upset people and make them fear what would happen without 'net neutrality', when in fact it is exactly what will happen with net neutrality across all ISPs. The power to protect = the power to take away.

Re:Inevitable (5, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109460)

It's a good thing we don't have revolving doors between corporations and the government committees that regulate them. Otherwise we might have FCC Commissioners working in the FCC and then being rewarded by employment by the companies they were regulating, like going to work for NBC/Comcast. Oh, oops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/regulator-to-join-comcast-after-ok-of-nbc-deal/2011/05/11/AFSSl6zG_story.html [washingtonpost.com]

Re:Inevitable (5, Informative)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109506)

Everyone may be jumping to conclusions: [engadget.com]

Update: Comcast just got back to us reaffirming that it is not the cause of this issue. "We're not blocking PirateBay and reports online indicate users from several ISPs around the world are affected." As we originally mentioned we're seeing those reports too, and many of you in the poll below are showing this isn't necessarily a Comcast-specific thing. So the question remains: what kind of a thing is it?

Re:Inevitable (2)

eriklou (1027240) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109656)

Considering Comcast users are using proxies to patch the problem... Comcast has a history of saying oh no we don't do that, but in actuality they do.

Re:Inevitable (3, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109864)

It may be a generic unintentional routing failure. Proxies cause a different route to be used.

It's not like TPB is perfect - it was down for me for 2-3 days straight last a week or two ago (ISP is Time Warner RoadRunner) but has since returned

Re:Inevitable (2)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109878)

Gee, the thing that gets around intentional blocking also gets around accidental blocking? I'm shocked!

Re:Inevitable (5, Insightful)

Asklepius M.D. (877835) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109570)

I'm confused. You say that net neutrality legislation is likely to make actions like the blocking of TPB happen, and yet it HAS happened in the current non-regulated environment. If that's true, it makes more sense to advocate for net neutrality which only has a possibility of promoting such events rather than advocating the status quo in which such events are guaranteed (have actually occurred). Of course there is the third option - that you have a brilliant alternative to net neutrality that will solve this dilemma, in which case please present your solution for peer review.

Inevitable, but not by whom you might think... (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109440)

MAFIAA started paying all major ISP's underpaid IT staff to quietly slip in a few lines of code in their core router filter configuration... (Yes, I made that up. Let's hope it stays untrue...)

Re:Inevitable (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109470)

no garden, just the compost pile.

jr

Re:Inevitable (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109522)

Does distributed host tracking (dht:) still work for downloading piratebay files? I know on my system there are some bittorrent hosts* that refuse to connect to US users, but the dht: still lets me download their product.

*
*torreactor.com is one of them, if I recall correctly

Re:Inevitable (0)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109556)

And so the building of the Comcast/NBC walled garden begins.

Well, then hopefully they lose any status as a common carrier ... if they're going to selectively decide you're not allowed to visit a site, they should be responsible for ensuring that nobody can ever reach kiddie porn or whatnot.

Of course, now that the FCC person who approved the merger is their lobbyist, I'm sure they'll be able to do whatever they want to, as they have a direct line on who to bribe to get their way. I mean, if you rule in their favor, they'll offer you a a much larger salary in a few months time for your troubles.

Re:Inevitable (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109872)

As I understand it, most ISPs don't have (and for various reasons) don't want common carrier status as it already stands.

Re:Inevitable (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109984)

As I understand it, most ISPs don't have (and for various reasons) don't want common carrier status as it already stands.

I stand corrected ... ISPs don't have Common Carrier [arstechnica.com] status, but some people think they should to prevent them from being able to pull stuff like this.

Right now they get the protections of saying "we're not responsible for what goes over the network" while at the same time saying "it's our network, and we'll filter it as we choose".

Kind of like how Pay Pal isn't a 'bank', merely someone people entrust their money to but can't expect the same legal protections as a bank when they decide to keep your money.

DNS or IP blocked? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109180)

Does 194.71.107.15 work?

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (4, Informative)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109236)

No, it's blocked along the Comcast route somehow. Even using a non Comcast DNS server won't resolve and you can't ping the IP, either.

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109454)

That is disturbing. I have experienced TPB being blocked on at&t dsl several times, each time I got around it by using tor. You might give it a shot (not for using bt itself, just for reaching TPB to get them).

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109472)

Tor looks like the best present workaround.

How very interesting...

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

aceboomblain (830620) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109646)

I have AT&T DSL in Michigan, and thepiratebay.org dns resolves to 194.71.107.15. I can't ping it (ICMP must be "stealth" blocked by their firewall), but port 80 is open and responding to http.

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (5, Informative)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109492)

It's neither. It appears TPB itself is having problems. There's a better article here -
http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-blocked-the-pirate-bay-110512/ [torrentfreak.com]
which states

Update: After affecting only Comcast users for about 15 hours, The Pirate Bay seems to be inaccessible pretty much everywhere now. The Pirate Bay team is looking into it. (Update: one webserver died, should be back for most people who are not on Comcast now).

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (3, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109590)

Yeah, I think we all jumped to the conclusion this morning -- but I do think it was understandable. Comcast's history. The nature of the problem as it arose as a Comcast-exclusive "outage" for many hours while everyone else reported it worked fine for them (and vpn/proxy access kept working) *and* that TPB initially said "it's not us - we're not doing anything that would cause this".

So everyone (me too) made a big leap in accusing Comcast of nefarious behavior, but given circumstances, it wasn't all that unreasonable.

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

tycoex (1832784) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109598)

TPB is working fine for me on Cable One, out of New Mexico.

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

Zibri (1063838) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109550)

There's no problem accessing the IP from Comcast's route server (route-server.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net). Seems to indicate that it's closer to the access network.

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

sp332 (781207) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109730)

TPB's firewall has always blocked ICMP. No one can "ping" them even when everything is working fine.

Re:DNS or IP blocked? (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109758)

It goes well beyond Comcast for me. But this only shows that Comcast is not blocking it on outbound packets. At some point it fails, which could be Comcast blocked by source routing it to a null interface, or it could be an issue at piratpartiet.se and their network. I believe the latter is likely the case since traceroutes also fail at the same place from two other networks that are not Comcast:

I'd have added the traceroutes, except that Slashdot's junk character filter is blocking them.

Huh (0)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109184)

Must not have paid their tithe...

Re:Huh (1)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109212)

That seems like the way the net is moving for a lot of these sites.

Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (-1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109186)

You read it here first.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (1)

obergfellja (947995) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109196)

Nothing to see here folks... move along. Comcast knows best.... Dang Big brother.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (1, Troll)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109416)

Censorship can only be performed by a government. Comcast is practicing private property rights.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (4, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109524)

...Except that Comcast is a goverment-established monopoly in many areas. Don't believe me? Try to get a fast upstream connection and set up your own networks for people to connect to. You will either be 1) immediately shut down by the government or 2) sued out of existence by the major network providers.

This just emphasizes YET AGAIN the importance of net neutrality laws. We absolutely, positively MUST force network providers to be just that--dumb pipes--and nothing more*.

*Unless you specifically ask them not to be; for example, I wouldn't be opposed to Comcast providing a premium "parent-friendly" tier of service where they agree to block sites for you if you want, or a "custom priority" tier where you can set up QoS settings to make sure traffic you deem important gets through, that kind of thing. Though I wouldn't subscribe to such services, it should be well within their rights to offer.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (2)

Script Cat (832717) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109544)

There practicing it with my property.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109694)

Where?

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (2)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109552)

I'm sorry, but providers of public infrastructure do not have those "private property rights". IRL when you corner a market you also incur an obligation. Stop with the "this is what our purchased laws say we can get away with", already!

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109614)

Comcast is given a monopoly as, essentially, a public utility. Capitalism and free market and all that would be fantastic. Competition and all. The problem is when regulation and government involvement make them a tax-payer subsidized monopoly with no competition to shape the services, performance, and behavior they offer customers.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109616)

No actually Comcast is operating on Local Government property (roads) using a monopoly issued by the Government. There is no privacy or rights involved. It's all Government endorsed.

In fact your local government could revoke Comcast's monopoly and hand it to some other CATV provider (cox, cablevision, time-warner,etc) anytime it wishes. Which of course is why comcast generously bribes the politicians.

>>>Censorship can only be performed by a government.

Or a monopoly (phone, cable, electricity utility) given the power BY the government to censor.

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (2)

overlordofmu (1422163) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110000)

No actually Comcast is operating on Local Government property (roads) using a monopoly issued by the Government. There is no privacy or rights involved. It's all Government endorsed.

In fact your local government could revoke Comcast's monopoly and hand it to some other CATV provider (cox, cablevision, time-warner,etc) anytime it wishes.

What is this goverment issued monopoly status of which you speak? Exlcusive franchise agreements you say? Don't you realize that they were outlawed by the Telecommunication Act of 1996? Federal law makes them criminal and there hasn't been an exclusive cable franchise agreement in the United States of America for 15 years. Are you just repeating something you heard from a friend? Where did you get your "facts"?

Which of course is why comcast generously bribes the politicians.

>>>Censorship can only be performed by a government.

Or a monopoly (phone, cable, electricity utility) given the power BY the government to censor.

I am with you on the bribery point. I think the collusion of big business and goverment is reprehensible and rampant. I don't think anyone missed todays news about former FCC Chairperson Magaret Atwell Baker becoming a paid lobbyist for Comcast-NBC just four months after she was involved in approving their merger. That is digusting and yet we sit here and take it.

link: http://www.freepress.net/press-release/2011/5/11/free-press-blasts-comcast-fcc-merger [freepress.net]

But, again, what monopoly are you talking about? Do you not have satellite and DSL as options where you live. And if not, how is that any fault of the cable company? You might as well have said that Magneto and his rogue mutants are to blame as both statments are pure fiction and demonstrably false.

The is a huge groupthink for hating the cable company. Unfortunately, many arguments for this hatred are misinformation, not fact. If the franchise agreement isn't exclusive, if there are phone, internet and TV competitors offering products/services in the same area then answer me this (and let me apologize in advance for the yelling): How in fucking hell is that a monopoly?

Re:Internet Censorship begins with Comcast (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109622)

Censorship can only be performed by a government.

This is a common misperception, but in fact censorship can be performed by anyone who has power over what another person sees, hears, or reads.

However, the First Amendment guarantees only apply to government. The Constitution has no power over private party censorship.

More than Comcast (5, Informative)

thesaint05 (850634) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109188)

Engadget is reporting [engadget.com] that it's not limited to Comcast. I'm on FIOS and I can confirm that it's unreachable as well.

Re:More than Comcast (0)

schwit1 (797399) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109244)

No problems here. I am on FIOS in Northern Virginia.

Re:More than Comcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109324)

No problems here. I am on FIOS in Northern Virginia.

Ditto. Works fine here on FIOS in Northern VA as well.

I wouldn't put this past Comcast though. They're terrible.

Re:More than Comcast (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109606)

I wouldn't put it past them either, but lets not jump to conclusions. It sounds like this is somewhat more widespread that just comcast. There must be something going on. Who knows, maybe its more cloak and dagger than just comcast being dicks.

Re:More than Comcast (1)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109826)

Works on Mediacom cable in the midwest.

Re:More than Comcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109592)

FIOS NY/Long Island works as well.

Re:More than Comcast (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109252)

On Adelphia here @ work & I can reach it fine.

Re:More than Comcast (1)

BuckaBooBob (635108) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109396)

So the more interesting thing here is .. Is it comcast thats blocking it or something else... IANAL but I am pretty sure as long as they do not censor sites they are not liable but the second they start they are liable for everything... This could be a very dangerous situation if it is not backed up by law.

Re:More than Comcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109844)

No problem with FiOS in Tampa.

Re:More than Comcast (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109890)

Working fine from here, but that's not surprising since I'm in Australia and likely wouldn't be using the same route to the server as many people in the US (traceroute shows that my route to TPB stays in my own ISP's private network from here, across the Pacific, across the US, and across the Atlantic to London UK - only there does it leave my ISP's network and head off into wherever it is in Europe they are hosting it these days).

It's not just Comcast (5, Informative)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109192)

Comcast already stated that they're not blocking TPB [dslreports.com] and that it's affecting other ISPs too.

Several Comcast users have written in to say they can't access the website, but we've also heard from at least one Virgin Media customer overseas and a Rogers customer in Canada who are also having problems accessing the site.

Further comments in that thread suggest that it might be a problem with the LAN on their end, perhaps a routing issue or something.

Re:It's not just Comcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109286)

I'm hitting it fine - I'm a customer of an Anonymous Telco and cable Television provider.

Re:It's not just Comcast (4, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109310)

I'd be surprised if Comcast was going to open themselves up to lawsuits like that. Since they haven't been filtering connections for infringing materials they haven't been liable for infringement. If they started to filter for materials and block sites for it without being ordered to do so by a court, they'd be opening themselves up to all sorts of liability.

Re:It's not just Comcast (2)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109538)

IANAL, but every time this comes up, the conclusion seems to be that ISPs are not Common Carriers [slashdot.org] , and how they avoid liability for infringement is by complying with DMCA requests to do whatever purported copyright holders ask that they do.

Re:It's not just Comcast (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109542)

Interesting, and this is just after I received my check for the class action lawsuit on throttling P-P traffic.

The actual settlement is a joke. The grand total is $16.00 sent C/O Rust Consulting Inc.

I'm no longer on Comcast now that an option has opened besides dial up.

Re:It's not just Comcast (1)

racermd (314140) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109618)

Put your tin-foil hat on for this 'cause it's CRAZY...

Perhaps Comcast (et al) are really telling the truth. They, themselves, are not blocking access to TPB. But, what if (and this is a huge 'what if') they got someone to block it further upstream? They would be telling the truth in the strictest sense and still getting what they want. I'm sure Comcast has enough resources to try something like that.

But then, there's probably a more likely explanation like a certain web server pool having problems at the source end (which appears to be the case).

Re:It's not just Comcast (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109430)

Perhaps. Didn't Comcast claim not to be sending reset packets on P2P traffic, too, though? They don't exactly have goodwill to spare or a reputation for honesty.

Re:It's not just Comcast (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109500)

Even if it really is starting to impact other ISPs, it seems really weird that it *always* seems to work for users going through a VPN or an anonymous proxy. It makes me wonder exactly how it is setup on the service-end, if they're somehow aligning traffic in such a way that once server so precisely impacts swaths of users. Given the history of Comcast and the way this behavior began, today, I can't really blame people who assumed it might have been an ISP's heavy hand at work.

Comast has allready sad (4, Informative)

fredan (54788) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109194)

that they don't block The Pirate Bay.

http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-May/036088.html [nanog.org]

Re:Comast has allready sad (2, Insightful)

Palmsie (1550787) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109228)

Then this will be the first time Comcast has ever lied. >

Re:Comast has allready sad (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109520)

Carl Sagan quotes get you an automatic +5 on all posts.

Time to put that to the test:

The cannabis experience has greatly improved my appreciation for art, a subject which I had never much appreciated before. The understanding of the intent of the artist which I can achieve when high sometimes carries over to when I'm down. This is one of many human frontiers which cannabis has helped me traverse. There also have been some art-related insights — I don't know whether they are true or false, but they were fun to formulate.
--Carl Sagan

Re:Comast has allready sad (5, Funny)

Zibri (1063838) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109628)

Oh, let me try!

"The more you look like a samurai, the better your chances of survival."

Network Neutrality (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109202)

So where are all those people claiming that network neutrality was a solution looking for a problem? Hmm?

This could be a glitch, or it could be real (probably real, Comcast doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.) In either case, Comcast and all ISPs should be legally barred from looking at the data streams and destinations of their customers. Tier 2 telecommunications providers, just like the telephone companies have been for years on end.

Re:Network Neutrality (1, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109332)

As much as I hate Comcast, and really I do, I think this is much more likely to be an actual technical glitch by somebody, and given that it appears not to be isolated to them, I'd wager that it really is just a coincidence and will be fixed in the near future by whomever is responsible. There's no way that Comcast is going to open itself up to being sued out of existence for failing to catch every copyright material being distributed without proper license that goes over its pipes.

Re:Network Neutrality (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109386)

I've always been curious about that. Why don't they need to follow the same rules? It really seems that they should follow the same rules for both viewing content and how police, etc, need warrants to obtain information.

Re:Network Neutrality (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109640)

I'm actually on the fence about net neutrality.

Ideally, you would have multiple providers competing against each other and the one that best served the needs and wants of customers would thrive and those that did not would wither away. However, when government gets involved and sets up what is primarily a service-monopoly, you now have one company providing the service and customers largely just have to take what they're given with no incentive for the provider to do anything.

So then the solution to regulation becomes more regulation. To counter the monopoly we have granted them as a "public utility" in a region, we have to further involve government by enacting net-neutrality laws.

It seems to me that the better solution would not be to pile more shit on existing piles of shit, but to eradicate the initial problem by opening up the pipes and encouraging competition so that if you don't like one company fucking with your traffic, you can go vote with your dollars at the company who stays the hell out of your way.

Re:Network Neutrality (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109692)

>>>why link to PCWorld? Who are they? TorrentFreak broke the news

torrentfreak is also blocked for most of us (work filtering). Please link to sites that we can see. Thank you.

>>>So where are all those people claiming that network neutrality was a solution looking for a problem? Hmm?

There IS a problem.
But net neutrality is not the answer.
The Sherman Antitrust Act is the answer

It should be applied to all CATV monopolies as soon as possible. Time to break them up and/or bring them under strict government regulation (as is true with other utility monopolies). We need the same kind of freedom to choose our CATV and internet providers as we have with choosing what brand car we want to drive.

Way to be slow on the draw (5, Informative)

Rurik (113882) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109214)

That was the news THIS MORNING. Then it was found that Pirate Bay couldn't be accessed by anyone. Web server died. It sounds like they segment traffic to certain web servers based on IP ranges for load-balancing, and the one for the Comcast group died. No big conspiracy here.

And why link to PCWorld? Who are they? TorrentFreak broke the news and continually updated it through the day. They should be cited:
http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-blocked-the-pirate-bay-110512/ [torrentfreak.com]

Re:Way to be slow on the draw (5, Insightful)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109258)

Why? Because it's almost certain the "anonymous reader" happens to be staff at PC World, just like all those InfoWorld submissions that always come from staff there.

Re:Way to be slow on the draw (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109306)

This is actually an improvement for /. Save your criticism for the dupe on Monday.

Re:Way to be slow on the draw (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109338)

First, I believe people assumed Comcast was doing something, because TPB said that *they* were not doing anything. Second, they probably chose PCWorld for the same reason that you can't use TorrentFreak as a citation to support a wikipedia article on Wikipedia, because TorrentFreak is not considered a notable news source.

+1 Mod Parent Up (0)

dch24 (904899) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109370)

I'd do it if I had mod points

how is babby formed (3, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109410)

That was the news THIS MORNING.

a mother in ar who had kill her three kids.

Re:Way to be slow on the draw (1)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109450)

I sent in the story this morning with the link you cited:

link to mine [slashdot.org] . But apparently I wasn't as good as this story..

Re:Way to be slow on the draw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109660)

Yeah, your submission was pretty sucky and you didn't capitalize proper nouns.

And look at all those self-righteous freak (2)

Dainsanefh (2009638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109952)

on the comments section of the PCWorld article.

Wish Chairman Mao take over the USA already. This so called "Ethics" is what caused the economic meltdown. Bring all those Christians and Jews to hell. Flexible ethics is the ONLY way to prosperity.

As of right now, they're up on a non-censored ISP (3, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109278)

Did anybody check this? As of right now, thepiratebay.org [thepiratebay.org] 's home page is up.

More importantly, Bitsavers [bitsavers.org] , an archive or historical technical data,is down, and has been down for days. That site would be a major loss; they have copies of rare documents not available elsewhere. Anyone know what's going on there?

Re:Bitsavers (3, Informative)

Ken_g6 (775014) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109636)

Bitsavers has mirrors.
Web
bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [uni-stuttgart.de]

computer-refuge.org/bitsavers [computer-refuge.org]

minus-zero.net [minus-zero.net]

www.bighole.nl [bighole.nl]

University of Kent [mirrorservice.org]

textfiles.com [textfiles.com]

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Who wants Demonoid invites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109300)

n/t, just comment and I'll see about sending them out.

torrents would slow down when trying to access (1)

d34thm0nk3y (653414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109362)

Whenever I would try to go to TPB last night my running torrents would drop down to 0kbps for a few minutes then start back up eventually. Comcast customer near Seattle, WA.

Is it just Comcast? (1)

dmomo (256005) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109422)

Because I was not able to reach the site from Charter.

Re:Is it just Comcast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109514)

Charter is working for me.

This is the best demonstration possible (1)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109498)

of the conflicts of interest that will become entrenched with the Comcast/NBC merger, if it's allowed to happen. Comcast is obviously incapable now of separating its responsibilities as an information carrier from its interests as a content marketer. Comcast's "anti-piracy" sabotage makes it clear as day that allowing it to add one of the country's largest content providers to its mix will be a disaster for freedom in information in America. The FCC, Congress, and the DOJ need to head this one off at the pass.

Re:This is the best demonstration possible (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109714)

That's the way it works, make promises, get approval, forget promises just as quickly as possible. The problem is that when mergers are approved with conditions, nobody ever seems to monitor and enforce the concessions.

Doesn't surprise me (2)

rjmx (233228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109516)

I can't get to ubuntuforums (nor a couple of other Ubuntu sites, although ubuntu.com is ok) from Comcast, but I can get to it quite happily from my phone via 3G and AT&T. It's not a DNS problem (IP address is the same), but one works and the other doesn't. Traceroutes have absolutley no IP addresses in common.
It's been this way for a few weeks now. I finally got around to complaining to Comcast a couple of days ago, answered the first ("have you turned your modem on?") reply with a traceroute, and got the same message back. I give up.
The moral? Never attribute to malice something that can be explained by sheer incompetence.

I guess they might want to rethink their tagline.. (1)

HellYeahAutomaton (815542) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109530)

"The Pirate Bay - The world's most resilient bittorrent site".

Resilient. Not so much, eh?

Re:I guess they might want to rethink their taglin (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109708)

"Resilient" and "Reliable" are two different beasts, to a requirements writer.

If they can bring it back up to the same state every time it goes down, it's resilient. But the going down part makes it not reliable.

Either they were being pretentious, or they chose that word for this precise reason. Either way, it's proved to fit better than the one you'd expect them to have used.

Comcast Business class (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109554)

Error 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET): The connection was reset.
Comcast Business Class

So how do you complain about this? (1)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109558)

I'm not on Comcast. But how would one complain about this to customer service without getting a nice note from RIAA, MPAA, or your friendly neighborhood law enforcement agency?

Re:So how do you complain about this? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109702)

Why would you get a notice from the RIAA or MPAA? What copyright of theirs are you infringing by visiting a torrent indexing website?

Re:So how do you complain about this? (1)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109756)

It was a joke. Obviously not one well told. Apologies.

Media Monopoly- Canceling Comcast Account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109626)

Just as the three television networks exerted a monopoly or 35 years, not the down the telecommunications monopoly As soon as I have another ISP Comcast is history.

OPEN DNS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109654)

is open DNS a workaround?
8.8.8.8 and 4.4.4.2 is a lifesaver IME

Re:OPEN DNS? (1)

Dogun (7502) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109800)

you realize that neither of those have anything to do with opendns?

Same here (1)

Rizimar (1986164) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109720)

I can't access The Pirate Bay regularly. I noticed that I wasn't able to get on it a few days ago, too, but didn't think much of it. But I can access it just fine through a proxy. [proxy.org]

Not Comcast (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109798)

Comcast is not blocking this, at least for outbound packets. Maybe a lot of ISPs are blocking them incoming based on source addresses. But I think it is more likely a network issue at the piratpartiet.se end since I can reach thepiratebay.piratpartiet.se (194.14.56.29) but no further, from multiple ISPs.

Warpproxy working (1)

Xupa (1313669) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109822)

I have Comcast. Can't get to TPB, works fine through warpproxy.

Response from Tech Support (2)

JMonty42 (1961510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109858)

This is what level 1 Tech Support (probably in India) told me about the outtage: "PriscillaBCBU: Yes, we are receiving reports from the site inaccessible when using Comcast connection. Currently, we are already fixing it here in our end. Our network engineers are working on it as of this moment. PriscillaBCBU: The pirate bay issue is also a problem from other Internet service provider. We have been receiving reports that they also experience this issue and it is happening worldwide."

Good, now my Internet connection will be faster. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109908)

As a software developer, and many of you here probably are also, I have no respect for people that pirate software.

If Your on Comcast follow these directions (0)

trappa (1894960) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109928)

Follow the link below, then copy the text(making the necessary changes to suit your needs) Then send them the complaint. Let them know that the customers upset by this aren't a tiny group they can just ignore.

http://www.comcastsupport.com/redirects/com/useremailstartcom.asp [comcastsupport.com]

Dear Comcast Customer Support:

Re: Blocking the Pirate Bay.

On May 12, I tried to access thepiratebay.org at with my Comcast High Speed Internet for which I pay $(PUT DOLLAR AMOUNT HERE) a month.

Unfortunately, your service was inadequate because I was not able to access the site. I am disappointed because thepiratebay.org has typically worked previously, but as of today has failed to connect even though it appears to be working on all other Internet Service Providers.

To resolve the problem, I would appreciate your quick action in restoring access to thepiratebay.org.

I look forward to your reply and a resolution to my problem and will wait until Monday, May 16th before seeking help from a consumer protection agency or the Better Business Bureau. Please contact me at (EMAIL ADDRESS HERE) or by phone at (home and/or office numbers with area code).

Sincerely,

Your name

It's not comcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110004)

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/thepiratebay.org

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