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Hands On With the Samsung Series 5 Chromebook

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the don't-exit-the-covered-zone dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "Among some of the coolest things revealed at Google I/O, Samsung unveiled one of the first Chrome OS notebooks called the Samsung Series 5 Chromebook. Priced at $429 for the 3G version and $499 for the Wi-Fi/3G option, the 1280 x 800 display notebook is said to carry a dual-core Atom N570 and a battery that supports 8.5 hours of active use. Unlike the Cr-48, the 480p and even 720p video plays back decently on the 1280 x 800 display, thanks in part to improvements in Flash and the faster chip. Also unlike the Cr-48, the touchpad doesn't require jamming it down to make it work. While no official confirmations were made about what's inside the Series 5; there's clearly a GPU and a solid-state drive. The notebook also includes 802.11b/g/n, which is complemented by a two-year 3G subscription to Verizon with 100 MB/s per month for free."

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Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109706)

100MB/s per month for free would quite unbelievebly aweasome, yet it's just a typo :(

Re:Meh (0)

darkshadow88 (776678) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109722)

Eh? That's not a typo.

Re:Meh (0)

darkshadow88 (776678) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109742)

Wow, I didn't see the /s. Don't I feel like an idiot...

Re:Meh (1)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109912)

How exactly do you get 100 MB per second per month? The first month you get 100 MB per second, and the second month you get 200 MB per second? xD

Re:Meh (1)

Jake Griffin (1153451) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110248)

It doesn't say 100 MB per second per month. It says 100 MB/s per month. 's' is the "throttling constant" which is usually in the range of about 50, so you will get about 100 MB/50 = 2 MB per month depending on how much Verizon hates you.

Re:Meh (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110324)

Each month, your download speed will increase by 100MB/s.

Re:Meh (1)

cababunga (1195153) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110808)

Or, in other words, if we say that there are about 2592000 seconds in one month, your download speed acceleration will be 38.59B/s^2.

Re:Meh (2)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111318)

100 MB * 60 sec * 60 min * 24 hrs * 31 days (rounding up) = 267840000 MB

A nearly 268 TB cap each month sounds extremely reasonable to me. =)

Chrome OS (1, Interesting)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109728)

Is it easily removed and replaced with ya know, a real OS? something that isn't all Cloudy 2.0 JavaScript based?

Re:Chrome OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109842)

Sure, of course, Chrome is just a locked-down Linux distro. The question is whether there is any point in bothering with Google stuff if you don't want Google stuff. If you want to run Linux, just run Linux and forget Google stuff.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

errandum (2014454) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111700)

So, by that train of thought Max OS X (arguably the "best" OS out there) is just a locked down unix, so you shouldn't bother.

The fact that it is locked down is actually an upside for the laymen. Not everyone wants/cares to tinker with everything,

Re:Chrome OS (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109918)

Some of the Chrome netbooks have a not-so-secret "jailbreak" button hidden inside the battery compartment.

Re:Chrome OS (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109920)

If you want something with a real OS why are you bothering with some overpriced yet gimpy $400 netbook?

Re:Chrome OS (-1, Flamebait)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109962)

Why would you buy one of these if you don't want the operating system?

Fucktard.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109988)

I think the better question is: why would anyone spend more on this than a real netbook that you can get for half as much with far more features? Especially when on top of the cost of the hardware you also need a 2 year wireless contract.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

JStyle (833234) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110118)

With the 3G model, Verizon offers you 100MB per month for free. I believe the offer lasts for two years after purchase. And I'm sure you can pay for more.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110146)

Yes, I already read that in the summary. How does that justify charging someone 200 dollars more than the thing is actually worth?

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110298)

Yes, I already read that in the summary. How does that justify charging someone 200 dollars more than the thing is actually worth?

$200 for 24 months of 3G data service is a very good price -at least currently in the USA.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

phishtahko (1308293) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111740)

$200 for 2.4GB of data is a good price? Careful you don't spill that glass of Koolaid you're drinking sparky.

Re:Chrome OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36111366)

Great! 100MB/month should provide me with about 1 minute of usage per day.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Jake Griffin (1153451) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110164)

You mean the free contract?

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110190)

Sure until all those web apps and cloud services go over that limit in a couple of days and Verizon starts charging you a few bucks per MB after. Secondly, how does that puny 3G justify charging 200+ dollars more than the thing is worth? You can get a more capable netbook and a 3G dongle for less than the 3G version.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110474)

Sure until all those web apps and cloud services go over that limit in a couple of days and Verizon starts charging you a few bucks per MB after.

100MB in a couple days? Possible, but unlikely. 100MB in a month? Most users would be within the limit. Verizon screwing us with overage charges? Every chance they get..

Secondly, how does that puny 3G justify charging 200+ dollars more than the thing is worth? You can get a more capable netbook and a 3G dongle for less than the 3G version.

And pay how much per month for the 3G data service?

Re:Chrome OS (1)

rgbscan (321794) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110740)

Wait, I do a gig or two of data per month on my *phone*, where all my media and apps are local. On a laptop with everything streamed from the cloud there's no way 100MB a month is good for anything other than the occasional text based email.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111930)

100MB in a couple days? Possible, but unlikely. 100MB in a month? Most users would be within the limit.

Have you consistently used Google's apps and monitored the traffic? Even at moderate use it is more than easy to pass 100MB.

And pay how much per month for the 3G data service?

Less than $10 per month with a cap that is 50 times higher than what comes with this overpriced shit.

Re:Chrome OS (2)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110020)

You ought to work for Apple.

Re:Chrome OS (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36111612)

My question is, does it come with the Windows Tax whether you want it or not, i.e., MS' despicable tactic of charging OEM's for Windows on every single pc no matter how it shipped. Of course, you don't have to pay it. Just kiss your ass goodbye as your volume discount goes out of the Window. I don't care if people buy this and wipe ChromeOS to the very last man as long as MS isn't getting an oem dime out of it. That's the only way to bring the Tyrant from Redmond down. Cut off the air supply.

BTW, in before MS sends the patent and ip fudsters to shill up another thread.

Re:Chrome OS (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36112516)

Sorry, I know I shouldn't feed the AC troll but WTF...hey dumbass, you DO know there are literally thousands of resellers out there that sell Linux desktops and laptops any damned way you want them? your argument hasn't held water since Ubuntu 8 came out.

As for why they are more expensive to have non Windows at Dell? Just shows you don't have any fricking idea how assembly lines work. For every order that isn't standard they gotta have someone yank a PC off the line and that dude ain't working for free, sorry. And with Shuttleworth constantly switching shit around Dell also has to run their own repo (because if they don't it borks the sound and networking if you try to update) and that also costs money and time which Dell isn't gonna give you out of the goodness of their hearts. Finally PCs will ALWAYS be cheaper with Windows because Dell and the other OEMs get paid to load them with crapware that don't run on Linux, duh!

As for TFA? Too expensive for what you get. I just hope the guy on the other ChromeOS thread was right and that Cr-48 or whatever they call it will sell for $150 retail, because at THAT price it will be a DIYers dream. An ARM based netbook for $150 that I can follow some how-to and turn into an uber lightweight Linux netbook with crazy battery life? I'll be all over that. But this thing is just nuts and expecting anybody to be able to run a Cloud based OS with 100Mb a month? That isn't a joke, that's insulting. Hell you won't even be able to check your email on 100Mb a month!

Re:Chrome OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36112680)

Wow, every comment you post is more ignorant than the last. How many times do you need to be put in your place? Yesterday, it was your utter and complete ignorance about the Google and Oracle case. Today, it's this. Why post on this site to just continue looking like a fool?

Let me explain it for you. MS has, as part of their OEM pricing deals, forced most of the large oem's to agree to, in particular, pay for a windows license on every pc shipped whether windows actually shipped on it or not. It makes perfect sense to wonder whether that will apply to these Chromebooks or not. Of course, a blind fanbot such as yourself would take exception to anyone questioning your precious MS. I mean, who needs credibility and objectivity when you can just troll message boards with your nonsense? Now crawl back under your bridge little troll.

Re:Chrome OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36112276)

Whats the point? Its a crappy Atom based netbook for $400+ For that price you can buy a real laptop with a real OS and better screen/HD, etc

What? (1)

RobNich (85522) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109734)

The 3G-only version is cheaper than the version that also supports WiFi?

What's a Cr-48?

"Jamming it down"?

Improvements in Flash? Seriously?

What the what? (1)

RobNich (85522) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109752)

And the WiFi is complemented by Verizon service with one hundred megabytes per second per month?

Re:What the what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109910)

It accelerates at a rate of around 1 / 2628000 MB/s^2.
Starting at 0 MB/s, that should give you 2.4 GB/s at the end of your two-year subscription, which is a pretty sweet deal.

Re:What the what? (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110102)

Sounds like google with their Gmail space quota.

Re:What? (3, Insightful)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109770)

The article has it right - $429 for WiFi and $499 for both 3G and WiFi. Still seems really steep for an incredibly stripped down barebones laptop with a beta OS on it.

Re:What? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110108)

It's a typo in the summary, the article says that the $429 model is Wifi only, $499 for Wifi + 3G. And it's 100MB/month, not 100MB/sec/month.

I don't know why it comes with a paltry 100MB/month - i routinely hit 200 - 300 MB/month on my phone and use 3G almost entirely for email. They should have started at least 1000MB/month.

Instant on? (3, Insightful)

frinkster (149158) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109772)

Chrome OS's coolest features are the quick boot—under ten seconds—and instant resume. There's no need not to simply close the notebook while walking from place to place. The only drawback is that the OS occasionally resumes faster than the Wi-Fi can connect.

My wife has a new Thinkpad with Windows 7 and an SSD. It boots in about 20 seconds and shuts down in about 10. It also resumes from sleep faster than the Wi-Fi can connect.

My 4-year old Macbook with an SSD boots to OS X in about 15 seconds and shuts down in 5-10. It has always resumed from sleep faster than the Wi-Fi can connect, even when it had a spinning-platter drive.

Re:Instant on? (3, Insightful)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109814)

And the bigger question is how many are really stressing about an extra 10-20 seconds at startup?

Re:Instant on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110132)

And the even bigger question is, how many people want to pay $429 for a less compatible computer, just because it boots up faster, when they can get an equivalent one with better specs with Windows 7, that will run everything they could possibly want?

Re:Instant on? (0)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110150)

I've got a Cr-48. It's really nice to have it wake up and regain its wireless connexion in five seconds or less, if you're just wanting to quickly look something up. There's no lag from having to run crap like anti-virus either.

Re:Instant on? (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110254)

It's really nice to have it wake up and regain its wireless connexion in five seconds or less, if you're just wanting to quickly look something up. There's no lag from having to run crap like anti-virus either.

And my real laptop will do all that in like 15 seconds. And mine will still log in to the OS even without an internet connection. Have fun when yours won't.

Re:Instant on? (0)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110466)

Don't speak from ignorance, child. I can log into the OS without a network connection. Can't do a whole lot until the connection comes up, but if I'm within range of an SSID it's familiar with, I'm usually connected by the time the rest of the computer's up.

Re:Instant on? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111858)

Child? Whatever...

Can't do a whole lot until the connection comes up,

Great, a $500 dollar paper weight. Awesome. I can't believe I was so ripped off when I bought my laptop that is fully functional even without an internet connection.

Re:Instant on? (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110570)

I use my phone when I want to look something up that quick. And that is a lot lighter to carry around.

Re:Instant on? (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111036)

I like having a proper keyboard.

Re:Instant on? (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111172)

I have a droid with a slide out keyboard AND I have the Dragon FlexT9 app which has amazing voice to text capabilities (better than the built in) and a swype like keyboard.

Re:Instant on? (0)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111510)

MAY I SUCK YOUR PENIS SIR?

Re:Instant on? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110940)

In the age of instant on devices, anything over 3 seconds until a device is up and running is far too much. My Thinkpad takes 2 seconds to wake to a system that's entirely usable - except Chrome locks up until it finds a WiFi connection, and that can take 20 seconds... bit annoying tbh.

Re:Instant on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109964)

My wife has a new Thinkpad with Windows 7 and an SSD. It boots in about 20 seconds and shuts down in about 10. It also resumes from sleep faster than the Wi-Fi can connect.

My 4-year old Macbook with an SSD boots to OS X in about 15 seconds and shuts down in 5-10. It has always resumed from sleep faster than the Wi-Fi can connect, even when it had a spinning-platter drive.

My _old_ Dell D610 does that too (c2d 2ghz, 4gb ram, 500gb 7200rpm hdd). If I kill the browser before shutting down the computer/OS, I'll say it can do better than 10 secs on the shutdown.

Running Ubuntu 10.10 almost default and kept conservatively updated.

Re:Instant on? (1)

tapo (855172) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110430)

I have a CR-48, and the really fast boot (8 seconds), instant sleep/resume, 6-8 hour battery and 3 second shutdown go a long way in making it incredibly useful. The machine has wifi and pay-as-you-go 3G access, and you get 100 MB free 3G a month should you need to check your email when there's no hotspot or something.

Google will have trouble marketing these with all the hype around tablets, but to be honest, it's been a lot more useful than my iPad since I can actually use it as a computer without carrying around my mammoth Thinkpad W500. It's not perfect for me (though it does have SSH!), but for my Mom's next laptop, I'm going to strongly recommend a Chromebook. It's all she needs, the price is right, and there's no spinning platters, security problems, or bloat to worry about.

Re:Instant on? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111808)

I think times and expectations have changed. I went from a netbook running Ubuntu to my Xoom and now, anything less than hitting the button and a device being instantly ready is excruciating. As a matter of fact, my netbook not being able to give me alerts when it is asleep just feels wrong after an always on device like my tablet. When i want to do real work, I sit down at my desktop with dual monitors, wired connection, the whole deal. Anything else, I just use my Xoom and relax with the very occasional foray on my Acer Aspire One.

and why would i buy it? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109780)

a real laptop is $299 to $500 for the cheap ones. $500 or $600 can buy a real Sandy Bridge CPU or a 2010 Core i CPU. bought a $299 celeron CPU laptop last year as a gift and it shocked be with how decent it was for my father in law in speed and usability.

other than the fast start up time what is the advantage to buying one of these that will send everything you do back to google? and will have less features and usability than real laptops? my ipad 2 has more features and power than these crippled computers

Re:and why would i buy it? (3)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110084)

So that real laptop comes with free cellular internet for 2 years? SCHWEET! give links....

Or are you ignoring that?

Re:and why would i buy it? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110116)

100MB per month?

verizon is going to make a killing on overage charges

Re:and why would i buy it? (1)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110630)

Prepaid data. $20 for 1GB, $35 for 3, and $50 for 5GB. Not a steal, but a little bit lower than it usually costs for prepaid.

Re:and why would i buy it? (1)

Leslie43 (1592315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36112298)

You haven't seen Virgin Mobiles cell plans then.
$25 per month, 300 minutes with unlimited data. They do throttle you at 5gigs though, oh darn.

Re:and why would i buy it? (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110954)

other than the fast start up time what is the advantage to buying one of these that will send everything you do back to google?

1. you can run it over with a truck, go buy a new one, and start right where you left off with no data loss or backup recovery
2. near zero administration: no application install / management, no antivirus, OS updates through google (app updates automatically, it's the web)
3. $28 (or $20 for smal biz) / month for software and hardware support, including hardware upgrades

i can understand why consumers with this a strong "meh", but for businesses its huge.

Re:and why would i buy it? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36111646)

You can get all the same advantages doing all your work in chrome on a real computer, yet people don't. The reason is that the cloud is a sucky experience for lots of things.

The only thing you miss by running chrome instead of chromeos is some offline things like USB and media player, but you can set up the computer to boot a vm and run chromeos.

Really the only real benefit of chromeos is that it eliminates any choices you had except the google cloud. And that's really only a benefit for Google not users.

Re:and why would i buy it? (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36112362)

Really the only real benefit of chromeos is that it eliminates any choices you had except the google cloud. And that's really only a benefit for Google not users.

not providing users with an environment to install and run malware is a benefit to the business that has to pay to fix. i agree, users want control and they probably won't like it.

At Least It Has A Good Data Allowance (1)

R0UTE (807673) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109784)

"100MB/s per month" How many MB/s does that equate to per second?

Re:At Least It Has A Good Data Allowance (1)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109828)

"100MB/s per month" How many MB/s does that equate to per second?

Well that depends on time 't'. It will accelerate by 100 MB/s each month. So by this time next year you should be getting over 1 GB/s.

Re:At Least It Has A Good Data Allowance (1)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109926)

"100MB/s per month" How many MB/s does that equate to per second?

Well that depends on time 't'. It will accelerate by 100 MB/s each month. So by this time next year you should be getting over 1 GB/s.

And I misread the question.. so yeah, the answer is 100 / 1 / 2592000 ~= 3.858 * 10^-5

Units? (1)

h4x0t (1245872) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109902)

"...subscription to Verizon with 100 MB/s per month for free."
100MB/s/month?
What the heck is that?

Re:Units? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109942)

I believe it's the same as saying 100MBmonths per second. No idea what a megabyte-month is tho...

Re:Units? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110238)

Starts at 100MB/s and gets 100MB/s faster each month, verizon must be using lasers or gamma rays

Badly written review (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109906)

What's to say about a Chromebook like the Samsung Series 5, whose hardware is almost embarrassed to exist?

His review is overall pretty positive w.r.t. the hardware, and he says it's better than the Cr-48.

For now, there's something to like in the Series 5 hardware and software--but oh, that price.

What's wrong with the price? Against a netbook, maybe, but I figure Google is positioning this against iPads.

And why complain about getting 100MB/month free? It has WiFi too, it's not 3G-only. I'd love a device that had free 3G. I can't bring myself to spend money on it because I'd use it so rarely, but those few times I'd want it, it would be really, really useful so I'm always going back and forth on whether or not to get it.

Re:Badly written review (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109966)

His review is overall pretty positive w.r.t. the hardware, and he says it's better than the Cr-48.

Which doesn't say much when the Cr-48 had extremely gimpy hardware.

What's wrong with the price?

It's horribly overpriced for what you are paying?

Against a netbook, maybe, but I figure Google is positioning this against iPads.

Which makes no sense. People buy iPads for the tablet form factor and portability. If people want a netbook they will flock to the cheaper options that have more features and a real OS.

Re:Badly written review (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110824)

Which makes no sense. People buy iPads for the tablet form factor and portability. If people want a netbook they will flock to the cheaper options that have more features and a real OS.

Like Windows 7 starter? o_O

I mean, I agree with all your points except for this one. A lot of folks don't know how to change the OS on a computer

Re:Badly written review (1)

theeddie55 (982783) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110428)

it's not exactly free 3G, it costs $70 which is a lot more than a 3G chip would cost. if you don't use it much it's actually quite expensive. I don't know what is available in the US but in the UK a got a 3G dongle last january (2010) for £29 which included £15 of credit allowing me 1GB. This may sound quite expensive for 1GB but i don't use it much and as the credit has no expiry on it i still have £10 of the original credit, so for me the odd few times i've used it it's a bargain.

Re:Badly written review (1)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110674)

In the US, a dongle runs $80-100 minimum for prepaid services. The 3G version of iPad runs an extra $130. For the States this is well within normal.

Re:Badly written review (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111080)

but I figure Google is positioning this against iPads

why do you figure that? google is positioning this primarily as a business solution. the ipad couldn't be further from that.

And why complain about getting 100MB/month free?

when the low-end model *only* has 3g (no wifi), and you can burn through 100MB / month in a half hour netflixs, it sort of forces you into a contract with a carrier.

Re:Badly written review (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111462)

Article appears to have been wrong and corrected: it now says "$429 for the Wi-Fi version and $499 for the Wi-Fi/3G option." I don't think there's a 3G-only model.

100 MB/s per month (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109944)

That does not make sense.

100 MB/s? (1)

VMaN (164134) | more than 3 years ago | (#36109954)

100 MB/s ? that's some mighty fast 3G you have there.

Re:100 MB/s? (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110040)

Once you get off AT&T, you'll be surprised how fast it can be!

100MB/s per month? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36109970)

"...two-year 3G subscription to Verizon with 100 MB/s per month for free."

100MB/s per month for free? How exactly does that work?

Even if it's 100MB of data per month, which seems more likely, that's still, well, for a notebook that is entirely dependent on 'cloud' services, 100MB does seems extremely stingy.

WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (1)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110006)

The last two laptops I bought came with 802.11 b/g/n mini-PCI cards. They were the first thing I replaced, putting in 802.11 A/b/g/n cards.

The spacious, speedy 5 GHz spectrum smokes the pathetic 2.4 GHz for things like streaming video playback. Those 3 non-overlapping channels in 802.11 b/g/n are SO useful...out on the farm. Get into a suburb or city and you get stomped on.

Get with the program Samsung.

Re:WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110078)

Well doing so would have probably made this thing even more overpriced than it already is. Seriously, $500 dollars for a less capable netbook than a Dell Mini yet twice the cost? Hell you could get a 14" laptop with 2 gigs of RAM, a 2.5 ghz Core i3, higher resolution monitor, a 10 hour battery life, etc from dell for only $450. And if you really need the 3G you can get a USB dongle for it and you're paying just as much as the $499 model but it's actually fucking useful beyond web surfing and it'll work without internet!

Re:WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110080)

Good luck playing videos on this POS!

Re:WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110168)

But...but...my cloud video player will never fail! Oops I just lost my 3g connection and now I can't continue to watch anything.

Re:WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (1)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110696)

There's an on-board media player, which you'd know if you actually bothered to read anything about the updates.

Re:WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (1)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110712)

h.264 videos work just fine, no luck needed.

Re:WTF is with WiFi chip vendors? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111796)

how many non-overlapping channels do you get with 5GHz?

I'll take one..... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110064)

With linux installed instead. Any guesses if they use some whacked out modem so the WWAN will not work if you change the OS?

Re:I'll take one..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110568)

It's gobi-2000, and it is difficult to get working elsewhere.

crippled machine (1)

schlachter (862210) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110246)

hard to understand why someone will pay $500 for a web browser appliance when they can spend $500 and get a real computer/netbook.

Re:crippled machine (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110436)

They don't have to worry about the OS, they don't have to worry about viruses, they don't have to worry about botnets, they don't have to worry about deleting the wrong file, they don't have to update any applications, they don't need to understand the file system, they don't need to understand the difference between windows/microsoft/office, the battery lasts for a long time so they don't have to worry ...

And for the few who maintain all this shit for other people, it's a great idea, give noobs stuff they can't break or turn into botnet clients.

Re:crippled machine (1)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110764)

A lot of people barely scratch the surface of what they can do with their computers. This would be sufficient for the folks that use their computers to write term paper, use Facebook, watch funny cat videos on YouTube, and stream music from Pandora. No idea how well Aviary would work on this, but there's your photo editor if you don't like Picasa.

Is that 100 MB/s per month unlimited? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110558)

So they throttle the speed to 100 MB/s. Is there a data cap?

Or was that a typo, and 100 MB / mo was the intent?

Get an Asus 1215n (1)

Sheik Yerbouti (96423) | more than 3 years ago | (#36110626)

For about the same money $468.00 get an Asus 1215n it's a better device in pretty much every way. It can do just about anything you might want and can even run some decent real games like Starcraft II, WOW, and portal.

Intel Dual Core Atom D525 (1.8GHz); Nvidia ION 2 graphics with 512mb dedicated video memory
12.1" WXGA (1366x768) LED screen; 2GB DDR3 RAM (2x1GB), 4GB Max
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM); No Optical Drive
Windows 7 Home Premium Operating System (32 Bit)
HDMI out; Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n; 10/100 LAN; 0.3MP Webcam

I like Google quit a bit but this is the dumbest Idea I have ever seen them actually pursue. The only thing dumber I have seen recently was 8.5 billion for Skype. The network computer was a dumb idea and a complete and utter failure and it is still is a dumb idea and will again be a complete and utter failure. People don't want dumb terminals for personal computers we left them behind in the early 1980s.

Re:Get an Asus 1215n (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111224)

think like a business, which is what they are targeting.

1. zero employee downtime for broken hardware: go get another chromebook out of the closet and they are up again in 30s.
2. no local data means they are interchangeable, one is as good as another. any employee can log in to any chromebook.
3. near zero admin: autoupdates through google, no app install / management, no anti virus management (and no viruses (yet))
4. $28 for hardware and software support, including hardware replacement and upgrades, and including the software itself

right, not a lot of for a consumer to like, and employees won't like it either, but it's management's wet dream.

Re:Get an Asus 1215n (1)

Sheik Yerbouti (96423) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111862)

There are even a few problems with this model.

1. Internet goes down or is slow your productivity drops to nil or nearly so. Same problem as before with Mainframes and minis. That single point of failure existed because it was simply too expensive to give everyone there own system and even the minis where the size of a small refrigerator. Once micros came along and software was written for them to take on functions like word processing and spreadsheets we moved on and for good reason. I guess no one at Google is old enough to remember.

2. Security of data in the cloud ( see PSN breach for worst case example).

3. Google apps is different enough from Microsoft Office that it will require wholesale retraining of non technical staff. Microsoft has a better shot at doing something like this because they could pair it with their online Office offering which users would actually feel more comfortable with not to mention file compatibility.

4. Lack of flexibility of a multi purpose computer. For example many orgs have old FlexQL and Dbase type DOS stuff they still run. Crappy yes, but it works fine for them and they see no reason to upgrade. With a multipurpose computer you can run any software for your platform or even others with virtualization. With this if it is not available as a web app your done.

It's not just that there are problems the whole premise is wrong even managers don't wan't dumb terminals. I should know I tried to get Citrix implemented with Wyse win terminals at a company and the single biggest issue was political because not even management wanted dumb terminals (even if it was way cheaper).

Re:Get an Asus 1215n (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36112260)

think like a business....

CEO to CIO: Our vital, proprietary data is stored where?!
CIO: It is all out there somewhere, on Google's servers. I... I... I'll pack my things.

I think it'll be years before any but the smallest businesses head to the clouds in this way. Having said that, there are a lot of very small businesses.

So... who would buy this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110792)

I just bought a Thinkpad x120e new for $450. Nice form factor dual-boot laptop with 6hr battery life, flawless 720p playback, virtualization, multi-touch trackpad, etc.

It seems unlikely anyone would want to buy a Chromebook for $500.

100MB/s per Month? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110830)

That is awesome! 100MB/s per month is a total monthly cap of ~ 260TB per month. The probably don't "rollover" megabytes from second to second though :(

Fedora anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36110886)

It sounds like it should run a full Linux version very well...

Prefer the Acer... (1)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111786)

.. . which comes with HDMI-out (http://t.co/ivtOtUR) so you can at least do stuff on a big-screen and enjoy movies properly

Good luck to Google (4, Insightful)

caywen (942955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111860)

I'm not paying $400 for a browser.

The old story... (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 3 years ago | (#36111920)

Pricewise, these probably aren't being made in huge quantities (which will push the price up) - plus they contain pretty much the same components as a netbook anyway, so why should they be cheaper?

This is the old story with "Network Computers [wikipedia.org] ", "Thin Clients", "Dickless Workstations" etc. through the ages: the concept is sound, but they end up costing as much as a full-blooded desktop, and you can't play [video game of the day] on them. They ought to be attractive in business, where the money saved in not having to run around maintaining a fleet of local Windows installs is more significant.

However, the old Network Computer idea was firmly pitched at business and failed to take off (perhaps the people making the buying decisions were swayed by the PHBs who's departments would be 50% redundant if they didn't have to run around fixing Windows installs).

These are never going to take off with slashdotters who like to tinker, and they'll also be held back by the cost/unreliability of mobile internet. However, if sufficient water has gone under the bridge for Google to try and re-sell the (perfectly sound) Network Computer concept they may have a role, and the retail price doesn't necessarily reflect how much hardware/service packages will be offered to businesses for.

Dumbed down local OS (1)

hey (83763) | more than 3 years ago | (#36112352)

What's needed to a local OS for beginner users. It would reduce clutter but saving things in virtual folder, etc (with out being asked to).
Perhaps by type/time/tags/etc. Also mix in some automatic dropbox-like backup.
(There was talk about WinFS being SQL for Vista but I guess that never happened.)

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