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Microsoft To Support CentOS Linux In Hyper-V

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the virtual-olive-branch dept.

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jbrodkin writes "Long the enemy of Linux users, Microsoft is apparently seeing dollar signs in the Linux-dominated Web server market. Microsoft's virtualization software, Hyper-V, will immediately add support for CentOS Linux, a community version of Red Hat that even Microsoft notes is a 'popular Linux distribution for hosters.' 'This enables our Hosting partners to consolidate their mixed Windows + Linux infrastructure on Windows Server Hyper-V,' Microsoft said. In addition to Web hosting, this targets another area where Microsoft is stuck in second place: the virtualization market dominated by VMware."

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does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36144806)

not trolling... just wondering about the practical implications of this.

Reboot host and have to shutdown all your VMs at least once a month?!!

Seems impractical to me.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (4, Funny)

slazzy (864185) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144856)

Yes, I believe there are almost as many hyper-V servers as zune music players.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36144940)

"not trolling"

"Reboot host and have to shutdown all your VMs at least once a month?!!"

Not trolling you say? What's the last version of Windows you used? 98?

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (2, Informative)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145014)

Well that is the answer to his question. Windows is actually quite stable now, on par with Linux. Especially if you set it up correctly so the Hyper-V system is the only thing running on the Master and use the other Virtual OS's as the systems that can bomb.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (4, Informative)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145176)

Well that is the answer to his question. Windows is actually quite stable now, on par with Linux.

Well, believe what you wish, I suppose. Over this last weekend, I set up my wife's laptop with Windows 7/64. The number of reboots I had to go through after the O/S install in order to get everything updated was no less than 10 or so, over a few hours. Mind you, this wasn't when setting up drivers, this was *after* I'd loaded the O/S and the drivers. This was just to apply security updates.

I have quite a number of Linux/RedHat/CentOS servers that I maintain, and when I build a new server, I have to reboot exactly one time after loading the O/S to apply updates. Literally, I type a single line as:

yum -y update && shutdown -r now;

That's it. That's the entire sum of the update process, after which I have a fully working, fully updated server with all updates updated.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145650)

You were almost certainly doing something wrong if you had to reboot 10 times. It's also an unfair comparison, as yum update will update multiple packages, which I'm sure you also could have done with 1 reboot instead of rebooting after each and every package.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145858)

. . . instead of rebooting after each and every package.

10 reboots after 93+17+5+3+4+2+2+1+1+1=129 MS update packages? That's hardly "each and every".

Windows: Stable on the right hardware (2)

spun (1352) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145366)

My new home computer runs Windows 7 quite well, it hasn't blue screened or locked up once since I bought it a year ago. My coworker's Window's box locks up at least once a week. Just because Windows runs fine on your computer does not mean it will run well on everyone's.

Re:Windows: Stable on the right hardware (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145682)

Unstable Windows installations *these days* are almost always the fault of 3rd party software. I've had unstable Linux installs because of third party software. We're talking about virtualization, which does not require a great deal of third party software to mess things up.

Re:Windows: Stable on the right hardware (1)

tom17 (659054) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145740)

So how many times has it automatically restarted to apply system patches?

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (4, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145536)

If Hyper-V is the only thing running on Windows, just so you can run Linux, why would you run Windows in the first place? Just run XEN, KVM or even VirtualBox on Linux and have several Linux sessions run on that.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145718)

What he meant is that your Hyper-V server shouldn't be serving anything else (which you could, in theory, do - say, configure a web server role on it as well). Doesn't mean that guest OSes can't be Windows.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145864)

There is one use where Windows Server 2008 R2 + Hyper-V is the only game in town:

Encrypting a remote server, while still letting it boot, using BitLocker with a TPM.

Why is this important? A couple years ago, I did a gig for a some research project that had a remote server that went unmanned for months at a time. It had a Net connection via satellite. This server had a couple Linux VMs (unsupported [1] but worked perfectly.)

Bitlocker is the only game in town for not just providing hard disk encryption, but allowing a server to boot without intervention via remote. Of course, in theory, someone can dump the RAM or plug an IEE1394 dongle in, but the people that would be going for a remote, unprotected server almost completely would be low-tech thieves looking for hardware, or perhaps medium-tech, looking for stuff on the machine's image to sell on the ID theft market.

[1]: I advised the client that it was unsupported, but they went with this anyway.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145018)

Never seen a windows patch cycle that didn't require a reboot. I guess if you run unpatched windows then you will be "fine" and won't have to reboot every month.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (2)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145062)

You don't need to patch IE, you don't need to patch Office, you don't really need to patch very much at all if all you're running is the virtualization software (which one would be doing if uptime of the guests is important).

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145554)

You don't need to patch IE, you don't need to patch Office, you don't really need to patch very much at all if all you're running is the virtualization software (which one would be doing if uptime of the guests is important).

But updating IE and Office shouldn't require a reboot.

So if one is required every patch cycle, it's because either:
a) The updates include kernel/driver updates.
b) The update system is horribly broken.

Either way it doesn't seem good.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (3, Interesting)

jdastrup (1075795) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144988)

While it's not nearly as widely used as VMware or other virtualization platforms, your argument is weak. Windows 2008 R2 hardly needs a reboot.

The facts are Hyper-V is behind in features and performance than others. For example, only since 2008 R2 SP1 a few months ago do they support shared memory. Before that, if you had 10 hosts and wanted to grant each 4 GB of RAM, you needed 40 GB in your host. If you didn't have enough RAM, you couldn't boot up your guests - lack of memory. That's a serious drawback, especially since the host OS can consume memory at will. There have been times that I've shutdown a Hyper-V guest and I couldn't boot it back up because the host had done something to use a few more MB's of RAM than before.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145410)

Yeah, features and performance. Let's talk price, shall we? Let's talk supportability. Let's talk integration. Hyper-V is awesome for the cases where Hyper-V suits your needs (yeah, nice tautology I know).

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145426)

While it's not nearly as widely used as VMware or other virtualization platforms, your argument is weak. Windows 2008 R2 hardly needs a reboot.

So long as you don't believe in installing security fixes. I can't imagine trying to run VMs on an OS that expects me to reboot to install another security fix every few days.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145532)

What security fixes have there been in windows 2008 R2 base server in the past 2 years?

I can't think of a single one, but I'm sure there has been at least 1-2.

Remember, with 2008 R2 MS went down the ubuntu/redhat/bsd-ish route by allowing you to install a VERY basic server with almost nothing on it, then add packages one by one. A hyper-V cluster member will not have a full IE, full IIS, Office, Flash, etc. Nor will it likely have any file shares open.

Microsoft's tactics around server vs desktop OSs are very different. They are finally taking servers seriously, allowing you to script everything via powershell and keeping things barebones.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

jdastrup (1075795) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145544)

You don't have to patch and reboot every time MS releases a patch. You would be wise to do so if you have a Windows server exposed on the Internet. But if it's in a relatively safe environment then relax with the ultra-security nonsense. I have several Windows 2003 servers I patch maybe once a year, and they only get rebooted at those times, and during rare power outages, yet somehow, by some freak miracle, have I survived without getting hacked, attacked, infected, etc.

Re:does anybody really use hyper-V? (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145802)

Have they fixed the Virtual Server Linux clock skew bug in Hyper-V?

Weird (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36144874)

When I first played with HyperV when it came out with server 2K8, I had no problem setting up linux images on the machine. I know I've setup both gentoo and ubuntu server.

I guess its an "official support" type of deal, not as if anything in the tech has changed.

Performance of the virtualized machines was great, the management of the VMs, however, is why you want VMWare if you're serious.

Second place? (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144878)

I would think Hyper-V is behind VMWare, KVM, Xen, z/VM, and a few other hypervisers. Has Microsoft really been able to gain that much market share?

Re:Second place? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145020)

I doubt they have, which is why they're now going to try to hook folks by supporting more distros. I'll wager it will be a cold day in hell before they'll officially support Debian and its derivatives though.

Re:Second place? (1)

jdastrup (1075795) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145116)

If you count all the installations of Windows 2008 and R2 that include Hyper-V built-in, you get a pretty big number, whether it's used or not.

Re:Second place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145190)

I can't remember the source, I am sure someone else will, but earlier this year Microsoft were in second place by a long way and VMWare were still completely dominate with KVM,Xen,z/VM etc making up less than MS's total market share in virtualisation now.

Re:Second place? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145490)

It's behind VMWare, but it's a different domain. You get Hyper-V "free" with Win2k8. It's very useful in moderate VM deployments, and even in some large scale scenarios. But yeah, VMWare has a much broader solution to higher end needs.

Xen/KVM/etc...? Umm, no. Those are small time. In a crowd of Unix people in little piddly environments running shit on 20 servers you may find people using some of these, but large scale uses are few and far between.

Re:Second place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145804)

Xen/KVM/etc...? Umm, no. Those are small time. In a crowd of Unix people in little piddly environments running shit on 20 servers you may find people using some of these, but large scale uses are few and far between.

Er...not quite. Xen and KVM straddle two polar opposite spaces: the small scale, running one or two VMs on a single host, and the very large scale, running entire cloud infrastructures. Amazon EC2 uses Xen, and OpenStack is built on KVM, for example.

Re:Second place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145512)

They have a significant advantage, though. Since they alone know how Windows works, they alone can efficiently virtualize it. Remember, the free software hypervisors started out only supporting Linux, and still have trouble with Windows.

Microsoft intends to take full advantage of this, probably up to and including measures of dubious security to speed up Windows clients, in order to get a foothold. Thereafter, we can probably expect Hyper-V licensing per VM with discounts for Windows licences or some arrangement like when Intel charged OEMs per computer sold instead of per chip shipped by Intel to the OEM.

duh (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144890)

Microsoft doesn't care about linux, it cares about market domination while making money. This is one more way to add to their ability to dominate and make money. If they're still selling licenses and getting systems installed, caring about what you implement means little. True, it's only one OS at this point(presumably), but I imagine they'll add more as time comes. This is also about competition from IBM, with which these same points apply

Re:duh (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145038)

Microsoft doesn't care about linux, it cares about market domination while making money.

Almost. Microsoft doesn't care about Linux. It cares about making money. Market domination is just a consequence of that goal.

Re:duh (2)

imric (6240) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145126)

All of the products it operates as loss leaders prove you wrong...

Re:duh (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145538)

Loss leaders usually generate more money in other areas. Market domination is a means to achieve the goal of making money.

As seen in another Slashdot sig... (5, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144898)

Running Linux in a VM on Windows is like strapping yourself to the outside of a car with a seatbelt.

Re:As seen in another Slashdot sig... (3, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145102)

Not really,
Linux key strength over windows isn't stability or security. It is the fact that it is hugely customizable and great for making pre-packaged virtual machines that do one or two things and does them well. For the most part the office could be nearly all Microsoft and its administration staff are windows administrators and they treat that random Linux VM as just as an other application. Vs. the inverse of having to deal with a Linux system and each windows VM as its own OS that needs administration. Because Windows isn't customizable to an appliance as well as Linux can be.

Re:As seen in another Slashdot sig... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145108)

Exactly. It's more fun that way. So are the games.

Convertible (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145120)

Running Linux in a VM on Windows is like strapping yourself to the outside of a car with a seatbelt.

In other words, it's like driving a convertible with the top down.

But seriously, if you want to run Linux on some hardware configurations, you have to do it in a virtual machine because the hardware maker doesn't want to share specs with the developers of Linux or userspace subsystems.

Re:Convertible (2)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145528)

Can you describe one of these magical hardware configurations where a Windows VM host can run, but Linux can't?

Re:Convertible (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145868)

I imagine you could put together a machine that wouldn't run Linux, but I think you would have to put some effort into it, particularly for server-grade hardware, where you're not dealing the Super3DXXX video card that has a hacked-up binary blob kernel module that barely runs X. On server-grade hardware, you're dealing with a far smaller pool of hardware and I have yet to come across any of the server offerings from big guys like Dell and HP that doesn't run Linux out of the box. Hell, pretty much all of them come with or have available the Linux drivers and software for managing RAID controllers and the like.

They're a business (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144926)

Microsoft is good about not letting feelings get in the way of business. They famously ignored the Internet for a long time and then caught up fast. They saw the threat of Netbooks immediately. They might not always get things right, but they keep on trying.

Re:They're a business (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144972)

That may be true, but how many shops do you know of that actually use HyperV? VMware dominates, Xen a ways behind, and Linux KVM and VirtualBox back aways. I don't think anyone actually runs VMs under Windows, it's rather the other way around.

Re:They're a business (3, Insightful)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145012)

I don't think anyone actually runs VMs under Windows
 
Are you kidding?

Re:They're a business (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145034)

I meant in the corporate/bare metal world. Yes, lots of folks run XP under Windows 7 and run VirtualBox, but that ain't the same thing.

Re:They're a business (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145794)

Any company that already has a significant Windows server deployment on the intranet (of which there are plenty) will at least consider Hyper-V. If its features satisfy their requirements, then why not use it? It's one less vendor to deal with.

Re:They're a business (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145362)

I contract at 2 very large government departments that are almost completely Hyper-V with a smattering of legacy VMWare that they are slowly migrating away from. It is certainly not as solid as VMWare but it gets the job done and costs a hell of a lot less.

Re:They're a business (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145080)

I think that will turn around sooner or later, though, particularly as cert paths trickle down to the community colleges and such. Plenty of businesses and government agencies love to run a unified solution, particularly for pricing. It has nothing to do with functionality and everything to do with pricing and finding "qualified" people all while pleasing some executive/bureaucrat who has no clue or no care about the fallout

Re:They're a business (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145136)

Well, maybe, but the technology still seems far enough behind the other players that I don't see the advantage. For any outfit with the cash and expertise to be rolling out VMs in a big way, nothing compares to VMWare. The other players are far behind in usability and scalability, and Microsoft is well behind even those guys.

Re:They're a business (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145666)

Depends on your company and sector. If you've got tech-savvy executives, you might deploy VMware. You might also deploy Openstack (developed by Rackspace, Dell, and NASA for their Nebula cloud computing initiative) or Xen (that little hypervisor that drives Amazon's AWS EC2 instances).

Re:They're a business (1)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145334)

That may be true, but how many shops do you know of that actually use HyperV? VMware dominates, Xen a ways behind, and Linux KVM and VirtualBox back aways. I don't think anyone actually runs VMs under Windows, it's rather the other way around.

Microsoft has been making some inroads with Hyper-V with mid-size businesses that are already 100% Windows environments - especially ones that haven't quite started down the virtualization path. Their licensing is attractive to these smaller companies, compared to VMware (at least the higher-end vSphere offerings). And it's Microsoft, which they're already comfortable with.

VMware destroys Hyper-V in just about every possible way at the enterprise level, but mid-size companies often don't need all the bells and whistles that vSphere offers, even as cool as they are.

Re:They're a business (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145514)

VMWare dominates, the rest is nonsense. You just have a very limited view of the world.

Re:They're a business (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145662)

I've grown to like Virtualbox, but a large part of that is that I have it available on Windows, Linux and FreeBSD. It's been ages since VMWare has been available in a current version for FreeBSD. Especially considering that I'm just wanting to run a few financial apps and don't need all the extra tools for enterprise work.

Re:They're a business (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145632)

there are lots and lots of "Windows shops" where they almost never venture outside of the Microsoft world. Lots of them run HyperV and do so because it means all their servers don't crash when one Windows VM crashes. It's called consolidation and improving reliability and is why virtual machines on PC hardware really kicked into full gear. Before virtual machines these Windows shops had to have one Windows software service run on its own hardware to isolate crashes and down time so that meant lots of hardware and lots of under utilized hardware at that.

so there's lots of Windows on Windows users out there running Microsoft HyperV. It would seem that a few are out there not willing to pony up for RHeL and cut over to the cheaper CentOS when they put their feet into the GNU/Linux waters. IMO, CentOS support is a no-brainer for Microsoft since it cuts into revenue which would otherwise go to Redhat and Redhat is a worthy opponent.

LoB

Re:They're a business (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145002)

Netwhats?

Re:They're a business (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145264)

"Netbooks" are budget subnotebook PCs. Someone got the bright idea to make a $200 laptop computer for K-12 school systems in developing countries, and then a bunch of companies jumped into the ring to make the same thing for the rest of the world. Initially these ran some sort of GNU/Linux because the Windows license was too expensive compared to the hardware until Microsoft started offering cheap copies of Windows XP and then Windows 7 Starter. In fact, Microsoft ended up largely dictating hardware specs for the "ultra-low-cost PC" product class for a long time because it wouldn't give an OS license discount for anything with more CPU, RAM, display, or storage than its specified maximum for ULCPCs.

Re:They're a business (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145698)

The issue wasn't that MS wanted $15-30 or so for the license, the issue was that the specs required to run any flavor of Windows made the netbooks a lot more expensive and pushed them into the realm of sub notebooks. Just look at pretty much any netbook which has both a Linux and a Windows flavor and you'll see what I mean.

The main reason for netbooks was that they were cheap, ultra mobile and focused on the net, rather than more general purpose tasks.

Hmm (1)

cozzbp (1845636) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144966)

We exclusively use VMware ESX where I work, but this may be worth giving a try. They should really add support for Debain though.

Re:Hmm (-1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145316)

Don't. See my post further down in the discussion. Hyper-V is a steaming pile of crap compared to VMware.

Can MS sell Unix-like systems? (1)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144994)

I thought there was a court case (antitrust?) where it was ruled that for competition reasons, Microsoft couldn't sell Unix systems - and this was always presumed to include GNU/Linux.

Is this gone with recent the end of the "oversight period" put in place in 2002?

Re:Can MS sell Unix-like systems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145118)

Microsoft isn't selling UNIX, they're merely supporting certain UNIX-like OSes as guests in their hypervisor.

Re:Can MS sell Unix-like systems? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145298)

Microsoft couldn't sell Unix systems - and this was always presumed to include GNU/Linux.

How? GNU's Not UNIX, and Linux Is Not UNIX either.

Re:Can MS sell Unix-like systems? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145320)

Microsoft used to have their own Unix (Xenix) which was sold to SCO in 1987. Perhaps as part of that they agreed not to sell Unix. They also have/had SFU/SUA [wikipedia.org]

Worst of both worlds? (5, Funny)

ron_ivi (607351) | more than 2 years ago | (#36144996)

So all the stability and security of Microsoft running on the bare metal; combined with the user-friendliness and ease of use of Linux. :)

Re:Worst of both worlds? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145092)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [archive.org], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org].

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org].

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com].

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org].

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Embrace, Extend... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145000)

Extinguish. 'Nuff said...

Feel Good Shot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145028)

Here're a bunch of fat slobs [scienceblogs.com] who aren't geeks!

Amazing, but true!

Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (4, Informative)

Jailbrekr (73837) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145036)

KVM and Xen are both fully featured enterprise class hypervisors with the ability to live migrate. Hyper-V only *just* got live migration and only when you're using clustering (translation: large wads of cash are required). VMWare is undoubtedly the leader, but KVM and Xen are defaintely fighting for 2nd.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145204)

Depends on your needs. MS seems to be adding features at a slow but steady pace (dynamic memory just came out too). If you're just making VMs out of dev/test boxes, Hyper-V works fine, and saves you a lot of cash. If you want to do live migration or "V-Motion" then yea, VMWare works really well, but you have to use the right tool for the job.

We are currently mixing Hyper-V and VMWare, and have managed to keep our budget in check as a result.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (3, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145310)

If I'm just testing things, VMWare is free, and so is VirtualBox. Why would I want to pay for a very expensive Microsoft OS when there are free alternatives. Heck, I could just install any of the modern Linux distros and get KVM, which has very much matured in the last year or two.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (0)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145594)

Wow, bass ackwards much. You're contending VMWare is free? You do know we're not talking about some piddly little 10 server shop here, right? In the corporate world, "free" isn't an option. Even if we used Xen we'd get is supported and it would cost out the ass.

Hyper-V is one of the cheaper enterprise suitable VM options out there. VMWare is the most expensive, it's not even close.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145612)

Where did I say I was talking about production servers? For testing purposes, the freebie ESX is useful enough to get a handle on VMWare.

And HyperV is not enterprise suitable, any more than KVM is enterprise suitable. They're interesting products, but if you're putting together an enterprise VM farm, I can almost guarantee you're going to be going to VMWare.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145680)

Yeah, you're right. Microsoft doesn't understand the enterprise, and Hyper-V isn't used in any enterprise environments... Microsoft must survive on their charm I guess since apparently they have no clue about enterprise needs.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145812)

Logical fallacy much?

I didn't say Microsoft didn't have Enterprise-ready products, but Hyper-V is so far behind feature wise that about the only people its going to attract is smaller businesses that already have Server 2008 on a decent bit of hardware and have some spare capacity and maybe want to run a Linux guest for some special functionality. But big time, VMWare beats Hyper-V in every possible way.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

Jailbrekr (73837) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145464)

"Hyper-V works fine, and saves you a lot of cash"

When using Hyper-V, you have to pay for the Host OS, as opposed to a KVM or Xen enabled Linux host which is free. How precisely does that "save you a lot of cash"? Hell, you may as well install the free version of VMWare on top of your Windows box. At least you'll get some of the features missing in Hyper-V.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145762)

This is what I don't get. Every time the Redmondroids use the words "cheap" and "easy", I just shake my head. Server 2008 is what, about $800 bucks for the DVD and five CALs? ESXi, KVM and Xen are free. I'm having a hard time figuring out where you save money with Hyper-V. I guess if you've already got a few Server 2008 machines hanging around with spare CPU and RAM capacity, it doesn't cost you any more, but from the ground up, I see absolutely no point to using Hyper-V. Beyond that, Windows is the one that has the most trouble moving to different hardware, so if I had those kinds of servers hanging around, I'd be using VMWare, KVM or Xen and installing Server 2008 as a VM on one of those. Then I can move the bloody install anywhere I want as long as I reasonably match host OS versions.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145308)

KVM and Xen are both fully featured enterprise class hypervisors with the ability to live migrate. Hyper-V only *just* got live migration and only when you're using clustering (translation: large wads of cash are required). VMWare is undoubtedly the leader, but KVM and Xen are defaintely fighting for 2nd.

Wads of cash? How? You buy SCVMM, and you're set. Now, the SAN and such? You'd have to outlay cash for that anyway under KVM/XEN/Citrix/VMWare.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145606)

It's backwards world today. VMWare is inexpensive, and Hyper-V is "wads of cash". Ahh, backwards day.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145436)

The free Hyper-V 'bare-metal' hypervisor is based on the Enterprise version of Windows 2008R2 which includes the clustering/live migration piece for free.

Re:Hyper-V isn't second. It doesn't even place (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145822)

VMWare is undoubtedly the leader, but KVM and Xen are defaintely fighting for 2nd.

In terms of number of servers deployed? Do you have any numbers to back that claim?

(note that feature richness does not correlate directly to market share)

Hyper-V (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145046)

Not a huge fan of its integration components vis-a-vis M$'s native Window's server product line. But hey, with a Linux cluster, all you really need is SSH for the management - obviating SCVMM.

In the end, if the market drives them to improve functionality and support for competing products, good on them. Much along the same lines of systems configuration management center supporting Android, IOS, and Blackberry devices.

Re:Hyper-V (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145616)

Complete bull. All you need is SSH? Why is it that I get the feeling most Slashdotters work in little UNIX environments and think they're cool managing 100 linux boxes all by themselves?

There's a reason VCenter exists, there's a reason SCVMM exists. There's a reason there's a whole god damn industry around VM management, in fact.

Bet in all (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145058)

Microsoft plays in all fronts , that has the cost we know, crappy products, why don't they focus Daniel why!!!

Wow Support a Distro that may be dead (3, Interesting)

Isaac-1 (233099) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145160)

User are leaving Centos left and right, security patches are months behind schedule, Centos 6 is over 6 months behind RH enterprise 6, the devs are a closed group and will not accept help, and do there best to allienate the user base.

Re:Wow Support a Distro that may be dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145266)

...the devs are a closed group and will not accept help, and do there best to alienate the user base.

Sounds like Microsoft's type of product.

Why CentOS? (1)

hilldog (656513) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145196)

Why not a more popular distro not to disparage Cent.....

Re:Why CentOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145556)

I would assume that its due to the close links with red-hat, so techies will know that RHEL should be supported, but red hat themselves cant use it as evidence they are gaining marketshare against MS

MS going after commercial users not hobbyists (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145568)

Why CentOS? Why not a more popular distro not to disparage Cent.....

MS is going after commercial users of Linux not hobbyists. CentOS *is* Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) without the Red Hat branding, CentOS is built from the RHEL source code. While CentOS is not as popular as a desktop it is interesting to anyone using or thinking about using RHEL. If you know you are going to ultimately deploy on RHEL then developing on CentOS would make more sense than other Linux distributions.

Hyper-V belongs in last place (0)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145296)

Hyper-V is a steaming pile of crap. After banging my head against the Hyper-V headache for two days, I downloaded a free copy of ESXi and had it up and running in a few hours. Just the other day I got around to connecting it to a LUN on the SAN. It has been an absolute pleasure to work with. I cannot say the same for Hyper-V. Stay away from it. Far, far away.

Re:Hyper-V belongs in last place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145566)

That's weird, because I use Hyper-V pretty frequently. It sounds like your tried and true need to bash Microsoft around every corner is getting in the way of your clear lack of understanding about how Microsoft services work and how to make them work for you.

Re:Hyper-V belongs in last place (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145640)

Just because you're inept doesn't mean Hyper-V is a steaming pile of crap. May I recommend some remedial computing courses for you?

Re:Hyper-V belongs in last place (0)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145838)

What makes me inept? Because I tried a substandard product and decided that the industry leading solution is the best tool for the job? If that makes me inept, then I am going to keep on keeping on with the inept program.

I'm just calling a spade a spade.

Re:Hyper-V belongs in last place (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145676)

Ah hell, now that I've finally figured out bridging, I can get a Debian or Fedora KVM server up and running in about the install time +15 minutes (okay, more if I haven't refreshed my install ISOs recently).

The big thing KVM is missing is proper migration tools.

What about para-virtualization? (3, Interesting)

Britz (170620) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145422)

OpenVZ (Virtuozzo) and Linux-VServer used to be the big names in virtualization. Now Linux has LXC in the mainline kernel. Virtualization with Xen and KVM are nice. But when you want to run Linux in virtualized guests you get a much better performance with para virtualization.

Xen and KVM are useful is you want to run Windows as a guest. But for Linux guests I really recommend the above.

But why would you buy a commercial Hyper-V? VMware is there. VirtualBox has excellent support for Windows hosts and is free. I don't see how Microsoft could make any headway with all the excellent products with every ninche (commercial, open source, free, expensive) already taken.

Why would you even do it? (5, Insightful)

hackus (159037) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145530)

Honestly I cannot understand why you would virtualize anything but commercial software. It is a pain to manage without virtualization, it suffers from legacy problems due to all of the very big risks you take when you buy the license. You really have no benefits at all I can think of running commercial software.

Thanks to KVM, the commercial software I do have to buy, I can virtualize it, freeze the hardware requirements in time so it will always work forever and ever. Never need to reinstall it and it isn't if, but when the company goes tits up I am protected. I can dump the software on my terms.

I can even make a copy of it in case the hardware virtualizing the commercial software breaks.

Deploy it to a disaster recovery site and I don't have to have a huge checklist to go through to make sure it is configured right during recovery.

No stupid specific backup agents for commercial software's little proprietary databases they all like to create to make things even more expensive to use.

I left with the opinion that Hyper-V is a solution in search of a problem.

I would be using Cent OS with KVM to virtualize Microsoft's OS, where it is safely under the flipper of my penguin, where it can't make my life hell.

-Hack

Hyper-V but not MS VDI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36145726)

If they really want to promote cross-platform virtual server management running on Windows boxes, they need to get out of the Windows-only-hegemony mindset when it comes to their VDI offering.

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isn't that backwards? (2)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#36145758)

Shouldn't we be hosting Windows on CentOS instead of the other way around? I mean, usually you go with Linux for robustness or price, and you host Windows because of a requirement (IIS, Exchange, politics) that can't easily be met natively on Linux. Hosting an operating system with uptimes measured in hundreds of days on an OS that has to be rebooted every 45 days doesn't seem wise to me.

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