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Debriefing After Warsaw's First Startup Weekend

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the polish-spring dept.

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rysiek writes "Last weekend marked the first Startup Weekend in Poland. Three days, about 100 developers and designers, 20 mentors, forming 30+ teams. The big winner — CityRace.me — will be launching soon, with a few others close on its heels. Most hackteresting project — Nest of Worlds (conceived by the Warsaw Hackerspace people) — has it all: Game of Life on hexes, with sound in pure JS (needs Firefox 4, but still awesome). There is also a lengthy summary of the network setup and problems for the network admins among you. Ralph Talmont also offers a more general write-up. Disclaimer: I was the network guy."

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Network summary complaint (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 3 years ago | (#36163178)

I love the late-'90s-style rant about browsers at the beginning. Especially since it starts off by stating you should use Chrome (WebKit-based) or Firefox, that Opera is also fine, then goes on to say that other users of KHTML- och WebKit-based browsers should make sure they have a recent browser and finishes off by telling IE and Safari (WebKit-based in the sense that Apple created WebKit by forking it from KHTML) users should get "a real browser".

Also, hasn't Safari generally been more standards-compliant than Firefox the last few years? Is the author of that page trying to say that he/she sucks at (X)HTML and CSS?

Re:Network summary complaint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36163326)

I think he's referring to them being closed-source (and also rubbish) though that should of course include Opera. As for standards compliance, Firefox has always been fine as HTML5 hasn't become standard yet and a lot of the HTML5 features were merely in development. Safari isn't perfect for standards, I believe Chrome is better (even though they're both WebKit based) - but that's just AFAIK.

Re:Network summary complaint (1)

rysiek (1328591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36163586)

that was not supposed to be a "rant", but pure information. I am working to iron out the incompatibilities between the browsers on my brag, but it's early in development and really, really hard, as many new HTML5 options are used (i.e. CSS3 Multicol, allowing for a nice horizontal layout).

Re:Network summary complaint (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36163800)

The trick is to use stylesheets properly so that it downgrades gracefully on older / less standards-compliant browsers. I use Safari on my Mac because it's fast and doesn't get in the way. At the moment your site is an empty page with a few graphical decorations. That's not a problem with my browser, it's a problem with your coding.

Re:Network summary complaint (2)

rysiek (1328591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36164296)

please tell me which part of "I am working to iron out the incompatibilities between the browsers on my brag, but it's early in development and really, really hard, as many new HTML5 options are used (i.e. CSS3 Multicol, allowing for a nice horizontal layout)" you do not grasp? I know about the problems, I know how this website looks like in Safari and IE. guess what. as soon as I have time I will be working on that. by the way, looks great in Lynx/Links. in the meantime - "release early, release often". I wanted a horizontal layout with pure HTML/CSS and I got one. booyah! if you have some material technical advice, please share. i.e. how - without JavaScript and relying on UA Strings - can I detect which browser we are serving content to and select the proper stylesheet (yeah, conditionals for IE; nothing for Safari; got it working for Chrome/Chromium with some interesting hack). otherwise - thanks, Capt. Obvious, for your valuable input.

Re:Network summary complaint (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 3 years ago | (#36164454)

Wouldn't it make more sense to first release something that has the desired basic functionality and then later add things which you can't immediately get working in all major browsers?

Re:Network summary complaint (2)

lluBdeR (466879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36164592)

That's not very web 2.0y of you.

Re:Network summary complaint (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36164860)

I understand all that, and hey - it's your site, so it's up to you. My point was, the first couple of paragraphs of the site just tell people to upgrade to a 'real browser' which isn't really the answer at all. Without Javascript you'll probably have problems, but I'd say on the scale of technical cludgery, using some JS is more elegant than telling people to change their browser. A hack that might work is: <link rel="stylesheet" media="screen and min-device-pixel-ratio: 0" href="safari3.css"/>.

Re:Network summary complaint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36166026)

So the problem isn't having a "real browser" then, but you not being a "real coder". Maybe your website should reflect that instead. Oh wait. It does.

Re:Network summary complaint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36165444)

God, my eyes! That layout! The orange and white on black! the horizontal scrolling!

Go simple or go home.

Rysiek: Jak sie masz? apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36166756)

Rysiek, tutaj na slashdot jest duzo "trolls": Nie mowicz do trolls, bo troll jest paskudne! Trolls robie nicz na slashdot... tilko guvno, lol!

Ti robiel (you made) dobrze programming ja myslem.

Ja jestem programmer tesz (C/C++, Delphi/Pascal, Assembly, Fortran, COBOL, .NET, Java, BASIC/VB, etc.). Albo, terasz? Ja jestem "starze" terasz, lol, i ja jestem "management" (lol, i ja nie lubiem. Teksne polozicz moje rense na programming).

Ja mam rodzine od skod polsce (Kielcze jest miasta), i oni tesz jestem network engineers i programmers.

Ja bylem v polsce, Kielce (sp?) na 2010, i ja lubi polsce ludzie (people), i ja jestem polak tesz (albo moje mama i tata byl v america i ja byl orodzone/born, tutaj, v america 1966).

APK

P.S.=> I hope you understood my polish: I haven't written it, in decades (since I was 8 yrs. old or so)

... apk

Poland (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36163290)

You spent 45 years whining about being taken over by the USSR, 15 years ruthlessly cutting your own system for the benefit of a few, and the last half a dozen years flooding into Western Europe and enjoying the benefits of Western productivity given to you by the EU's strange system of equalisation.

When are you as a nation going to be consistent and take advantage of the independence you crave to support your own country?

Bravo, but a bit late. (2)

elh_inny (557966) | more than 3 years ago | (#36163356)

Thank for the writeup Rysiu, good to see Poland catching up.
It's too bad I didn't even hear about it, try to focus on publicity before the event next time - makes more sense IMHO.

Re:Bravo, but a bit late. (1)

rysiek (1328591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36163594)

yeah, we're waking up. you wouldn't believe how much is going on! there are going to be many, many more stories from Poland in the following month or two, among others - about discussions with the Government about network censorship and data re-use (a huge success has been just announced there).

Re:Bravo, but a bit late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36165232)

there are going to be many, many more stories from Poland in the following month or two

Please don't post any other news. The story you posted is one of the most boring stories I've seen here.

Re:Bravo, but a bit late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36165278)

I'm not sure why you felt the need to "disclaim" you were the network guy. It's not like you're leaking federal stock trade information. and while it may be a 'disclosure', it's mostly a "don't care".

*zzz*

Lisa Bonet ate no basil (1, Offtopic)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 3 years ago | (#36163990)

Warsaw was raw. Was it a car or a cat I saw?

Great Warsaw Startup Weekend post by David/HackFwd (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36164362)

There is a great post on Startup Weekend Warsaw by David Bizer from an european accelerator HackFwd.com http://hackfwd.tumblr.com/post/5545518291/3-days-in-poland

SWWAW social media buzz metrics (1)

Ubik (67231) | more than 3 years ago | (#36164428)

There is a nice infographics by Brand24.pl about the impact Startup Weekend Warsaw generated http://twitpic.com/4ym3so [twitpic.com] !

Puhlease ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36172064)

rysiek writes "...Disclaimer: I was the network guy."

Puhlease. That's *not* a *disclaimer*. That, in English, is a *disclosure*.

Why in hell do Slashdotters get this perfectly wrong all the damned time?

Linksys AP's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36173316)

Really, you could not go out and buy a big boy router?
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