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Computer Records Hold Key In IMF Head's Sexual Assault Case

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the he-said-she-said-it-said dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "ABA Journal reports that the chief of the International Monetary Fund may claim consent as a defense to accusations that he sexually assaulted a maid at the Sofitel Hotel in New York as defense lawyer Benjamin Brafman told the judge he believed the 'forensic evidence' was 'not consistent with forcible encounter.' Police have said the maid knocked on Strauss-Kahn's door and called out, used her master keycard to open the door, and left her work cart in the doorway, a typical safety practice in hotels. According to the police account, Strauss-Kahn emerged naked, tried to attack the maid, and then shut the hotel door when she tried to escape. The NY Times explains how the key card evidence may play out: 'If the defense for Mr. Strauss-Kahn maintains that the encounter was consensual, its version will have to accommodate the unambiguous computer record of her leaving the door propped open,' the story says."

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Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36176904)

Since when does opening a door equate to consent?

Closing the door equates to consent (2)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176928)

It's not opening the door, it's keeping it open with the cleaning cart that matters. Unless she was a pervert who enjoys fucking with the door open, of course.

Re:Closing the door equates to consent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36176980)

Damn I gotta get me one of those electronic lock things in my office.

Re:Closing the door equates to consent (0)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177972)

So the fact that he didn't close the door is proof he wanted to rape her? Things got complicated compared to the old sock on the door knob.

Re:Huh (5, Informative)

RL78 (1968236) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176976)

This is about reconciling their stories. Evidence of lying is a good place to start.

Re:Huh (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177566)

I love it when technological forensics like this helps to clear matters up.

Re:Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177768)

Depends what you mean by "door".

wait wait wait... (5, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176908)

We're following this tabloid crap on Slashdot just because a door has an electronic sensor on it !? Get real, for fuck's sake.

Re:wait wait wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177002)

+1 on this.

What should we expect to see next? Topless photos of taken with a digital camera! See all the photos here!

Re:wait wait wait... (5, Funny)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177036)

+1 on this.

What should we expect to see next? Topless photos of taken with a digital camera! See all the photos here!

Just out of curiosity, you forgot to put the link on the "here". Care to share?

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177352)

Sorry about that. Here they are [imageshack.us] .

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177732)

Sorry about that. Here they are [imageshack.us] .

I can recognize a goatse-like link when I see one. This one is, however, very far to deserve the credit. This image is moderately disturbing, but nothing like the real thing really.

Re:wait wait wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177848)

He was asking for topless photos. He got one, hence the funny.

Much Broader Implications (2, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177264)

I'm sure it's just coincidence that on his first non-diplomatic trip to the US after denouncing the US Dollar [moneynews.com] Strauss-Kahn is found to be a perv, thrown in Riker's Island, and Geithner demands his resignation.

Ha! Another George Bush conspiracy!!! (1, Troll)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177424)

Oooops!

Wrong administration...........never mind!

Re:Ha! Another George Bush conspiracy!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177916)

Different administration - Same Policies.....
Bugger, so much for change!

Re:Much Broader Implications (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177556)

Read the press. He was know to be a perv [guardian.co.uk] for years before this but no-one ever pressed charges before.

Re:wait wait wait... (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177288)

Actually, no. The Slashdot crowd has interest in the goings on of the IMF and the players involved.

In case you hadn't noticed, in addition to news stories about gadgets and software, we also have an interest in the things that make the world go around. Among these are copyright, trade mark and patent laws and litigation, money and finance and politics in general.

If you have noticed, then I have to wonder how you failed to notice that in this case. He's the head of the IMF. He's a big-time shaker, mover and influencer in all things that make the world go around.

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177650)

The Earth will continue spinning without fat-cats like him in it.

Last I heard about the IMF, they were taking on third-world debt, which is caused by CIA coup d'etats and then blamed on "uneducated, warlike blacks" in the first place, and selling their own water to them. Or this that a different "IMF"?

Re:wait wait wait... (0)

khallow (566160) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177840)

which is caused by CIA coup d'etats and then blamed on "uneducated, warlike blacks" in the first place

So let me guess. Either this quote is "completely made up" or quoted from a nutcase with no real power beyond the authority to mow his own lawn.

LOL WUT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177718)

Who are you kidding. It's all Apple, Facebook and bitcoin here.

Re:wait wait wait... (4, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177800)

He's the head of the IMF. He's a big-time shaker, mover and influencer in all things that make the world go around.

Right, so talk about all of those world-affecting issues. The guy's resignation is salient on its own, if someone wants to post a good article on his tenure and the changes this event may effect. The keycard records that play an infinitesimal role in the situation is not salient, or even interesting, but was called out as if some tech shibboleth was required to get coverage here. It's stupid pandering.

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177298)

Why not ? We followed Reiser's trial because he was a filesystem maintainer. And isn't it interesting that even in these high-level cases, it took so long for authorities to realize there were tech forensics to do ? They have begun to talk about reputation of respective person before analyzing technical evidences, isn't that also interesting ?

Re:wait wait wait... (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177364)

And also because the head of IMF is accused, a man who thinks that maybe we replace the old $$$ as currency for world trade.
This would make the dollar act like other currencies, like when a country has trouble, the values is lower...
I am guessing that there are some in the US who might not like this.
( Also he was the top candidate for the opposition in France to replace President Sarkozy. So expect little help from France. )

There are to many questions and the press just screams "guilty" loud without asking stuff.
He is shown unshaven, handcuffed dragged to court by two big police officers.
America knows how to put on a show.
He is put in a cell under suicide watch (so they can wake him up every 1,5 hours if I understood correctly)

Something just doesn't smell right.
Why a man like this would risk it to jump the maid his own hotel room leaves more questions than it answers.
I am just looking for motive.

Anyhow, he is now tainted and will never be back in the chair regardless of what.

Somehow I hope that he is guilty, because he will surely serve some time. Might as well be for something he did.

Just my 5 cents (yes, €)

Re:wait wait wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36178064)

You might have had a point if not for the fact that he has a history of sexual assault charges against him. Some from 9 years ago. Yeah, clearly the maid was just some slut who deserved what she got like Nina Reiser, right?

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

zrbyte (1666979) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177388)

Hear Hear!!! I have the BBC, NYT, etc for that. Keep it news for nerds.

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177740)

Seriously! After all, it looks like an open and shut case to me.

Re:wait wait wait... (1)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177936)

Agreed, this is in no way news for nerds nor stuff that matters.

I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (4, Interesting)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176916)

anyone know what lock system it is?

I only know the specifics of three electronic lock systems...
and all three that I know? only key swiping.. not closings or how long a door was open.
they can't even tell if the door was actually opened-- they can only tell that a key was used

as in, if I flash my key and the lock goes green but I don't open the door?
it records the key use but doesn't know I didn't open it.
if the master metal override key is used is also recorded (and even triggering that event in the memory)
wouldn't require the door to be opened (although it would be noticeable)

anyone know of a lock system that does all they suggest?

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177148)

The lock system at my hotel *does* show when a door was not opened after a key swipe, but like the ones you mentioned, it also doesn't record closings and how long the door was open.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177294)

The locks in my office building turn green and stay green for a number of seconds (I think about 15) or until the door is opened. If the door is held open for more then 30 seconds an alarm goes off.

It's kind of funny, but kind of not. There's a bus stop literally right outside one of the entrances to the building. Normally what happens is a crowd of people get off the bus and one will use their card to open the door. Once the door's open the rest just rush in. Big security issue.

One day someone rushed in with the crowd and stole the lunch of the guy in the office closest to the door. Could have stolen his laptop, but I guess the thief was just hungry. The guy belonging to the office saw the Thief leave his office and bolt out the door and back on to the bus, which then took off, as he was coming back from wherever he was. He locks his office door now whenever he leaves.

The person who used their key card to open the door took the heat for the incident. I have to say it's kind of hard to unlock the door, but stop people from just walking in. Unless you have a gun and are a major @ss I guess

Anyway the point is with the locks in my building, records are kept for who opens the doors and how long the doors are open for.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (2)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177332)

It's kind of funny, but kind of not. There's a bus stop literally right outside one of the entrances to the building. Normally what happens is a crowd of people get off the bus and one will use their card to open the door. Once the door's open the rest just rush in. Big security issue.

Why not just use turnstyles?

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177426)

Because the entry system is for show, and to cover the asses of the building management company (it's not their fault that your employees circumvent their system). It is not for security.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (4, Insightful)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177622)

Real estate.

If they were really concerned about security, the outer-most door wouldn't be the one with the lock -- it would simply lead to a lobby or vestibule, a non-secure but indoor and dry area, visible to security, through which employees would pass in a more orderly fashion to a secure door leading into the building proper.

People rush through because they don't want to form up in a line outside. Once they're inside, it's not so big of an issue to stand around a bit longer. They're out of the weather, away from the traffic. But security theater is so much more entertaining..

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177820)

I don't know why there isn't turn style there. All the other entrances lead to the main lobby and there are secondary locked doors to gain access to the office areas. I can only speculate that this one is different because on the immediate left after waking in is the shipping bay, which does have it's own entrance for deliveries, but we're not allowed to use that one for pickups. To move things like office furniture to the other buildings we have to use the entrance next to the bus stop. I don't know why.

I also don't know why the bus doesn't just stop at the main entrance, which would put the crowd in the lobby with the commissar and secondary locked doors. The stupid bus only comes twice a day anyway, once in the morning and once in the afternoon.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177500)

...One day someone rushed in with the crowd and stole the lunch of the guy in the office closest to the door. Could have stolen his laptop, but I guess the thief was just hungry. The guy belonging to the office saw the Thief leave his office and bolt out the door and back on to the bus, which then took off, as he was coming back from wherever he was. He locks his office door now whenever he leaves...

I'd just leave poisoned sandwiches out and secure the laptop.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177886)

The person who used their key card to open the door took the heat for the incident. I have to say it's kind of hard to unlock the door, but stop people from just walking in. Unless you have a gun and are a major @ss I guess

Very simple, actually. Instead of just having a company policy "don't let anyone in behind you" have another policy "don't follow anyone through the door" with a major telling off if you are caught, even when you have a pass yourself.

Once you do that and enforce it, anyone who follows you would have to be confronted.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36178084)

I don't make the security policies. We are told that if you see someone you don't recognize, ask them to produce their badge, which we're suppose to ware all the time. I've been here for over five years now, but I gave up after my first week when I was scolded for insulting one of the managements family members by asking them who they were and if they had a badge. I love where I work and the people I work with, but the culture here is pretty much keep your nose down and don't worry about others... Unless they steal someone's lunch at which point you shouldn't have let them in the building and interrogated them when you didn't know who they were.

I don't care either way. I have a car and don't enter the building with a crowed. I may not ask people to produce badges anymore, but I introduce myself when I don't recognize someone. Either they tell me their name or they take off running (It's happened).

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (2)

cbeaudry (706335) | more than 3 years ago | (#36178028)

Commercial access control systems like those used in your building (i.e. Softwarehouse, Kantech, Lenel, Winpak Pro) are completely different from Hotel management systems.

You have door strkes, readers, contacts, request to exit devices on standard access control, and those are all connected to a Controler, that manages access and events and sends all history to a server system. Every person has an access card that can be activated or revoked remotely.

Hotel systems have standalone readers, with no door contacts. Without a contact, you cant tell the door status or record it. When someone rents a room, the clerk programs a new card. When the card is presented at the room door, the lock recognises the key and algorythm, deletes the old key and switches to the new key the card told it to use. There is no central monitoring or managing of each reader.

The cost of wiring for each room lock in hotels would be crazy. Imagine having to wire each door at the Ceasars palace in Vegas. The cost would be phenomenal. (then again, they do wire all 6000+ cameras and record all video for a long time :) )

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177302)

A lot of systems record data such as is a door is open or shut, and how long for. Doors have to automatically shut if there is a fire also. Annoyingly one place where I worked which was a very large convention centre, if a door was left open, security would appear after a minute or so because the fire alarm would start beeping.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

cbeaudry (706335) | more than 3 years ago | (#36178062)

As I mentioned a little higher up, the management of hotel doors and standard commercial access control doors is completely different. There is no monitoring on hotel room doors usually.

Fire security is a whole other ball game too. And I very very very much doubt that they shut doors on a fire alarm. Almost ALL building codes in America and Canada require all electronically locked doors (especially those locked by Mag-locks) to UNLOCK on a fire alarm and/or at the very least be free to egress without delay or presenting any kind of credentials.

Else people would just be BBQ'ed.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (3, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177326)

and all three that I know

Just curious - did you work in hotels with $3K/night suites? I'd not expect them to have the same key systems as the La Quinta. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the La Quinta to the posh hotels (it's a bed for Pete's sake...) but my question is whether your experience is directly relevant.

For instance, most office buildings I've worked in with prox-card systems will sound an alarm if the door is left open for more than 30 seconds (or whatever they're programmed for) to prevent unauthorized entry.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

cbeaudry (706335) | more than 3 years ago | (#36178082)

Hotel key systems and office access control are completely different beasts.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177376)

its a $5000 a night suite... I'm rather surprised there's not video cameras pointed at the door.

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (1)

slashqwerty (1099091) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177542)

its a $5000 a night suite... I'm rather surprised there's not video cameras pointed at the door.

What sort of people stay at a $5000 per night suite? Do they want a video record of everyone entering and leaving the room?

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (3, Funny)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177948)

What sort of people stay at a $5000 per night suite?

Rapists?

Re:I read that story before- and I work at a hotel (4, Interesting)

Hellsbells (231588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177938)

I write software for card access systems.

Smaller systems can record an event when the card was swiped, when the door was opened, when the door was closed and when the lock is engaged or disengaged.
They'll also record an event if the door was opened without a successful card swipe.

Most decent electronic locks will return this kind of data.

Which was it?? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36176918)

tried to attack the maid, and then shut the hotel door when she tried to escape

If the defense for Mr. Strauss-Kahn maintains that the encounter was consensual, its version will have to accommodate the unambiguous computer record of her leaving the door propped open,'

Above 2 statements are contradictory

Re:Which was it?? (5, Insightful)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176958)

I don't think they're contradictory, you've just spotted the obvious version of the story that would "accommodate the unambiguous computer record", and make the NY Times article a load of hot air. The maid will claim he shut the door to imprison her, he will claim they shut the door after mutually agreeing to sex. So these records prove nothing, other than that the encounter most likely started with the usual practice of the maid propping the door open to valet the room.

Re:Which was it?? (4, Interesting)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177044)

First of all, does the door system really record the times of opening and closings of the door, rather than just door unlocking.

If so, then the point is not whether either side can come up with a story NOW which can explain the record. But whether the record is consistent with the initial statement they gave to the police. Maybe both are statements are consistent with the electronic record. But maybe one of them isn't. And that would be vital evidence.

Re:Which was it?? (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177750)

If the consistency of the initial statement is what matters, I think he said he was dining with hist daughter at the time (at least that is what newspapers wrote that his lawyers were maintaining), so he would be screwed.
IANAL but I think most "justice" systems don't work as simply/logically as that, and the lawyers can find ways to suppress statements (and even evidence).

Reasonable Doubt (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177378)

The maid will claim he shut the door to imprison her, he will claim they shut the door after mutually agreeing to sex. So these records prove nothing

Fortunately the accused in our system don't have to prove anything, just convince the jury that there's reasonable doubt. If it boils down to a he-said/she-said situation, that shouldn't be too hard. If there's further evidence of sexual entrapment, even easier.

But, no matter, he'll have been replaced at the IMF even before a pre-trial hearing, so the goal will have been met and it doesn't matter what the judicial outcome is.

Re:Which was it?? (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177462)

Both of them have likely already given statements to the police. Changing your statement after evidence comes out showing your a liar tends to prove things.

Re:Which was it?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177974)

I don't think they're contradictory, you've just spotted the obvious version of the story that would "accommodate the unambiguous computer record", and make the NY Times article a load of hot air. The maid will claim he shut the door to imprison her, he will claim they shut the door after mutually agreeing to sex. So these records prove nothing, other than that the encounter most likely started with the usual practice of the maid propping the door open to valet the room.

They have her statements so the door records could be used to make her out to be a liar.
He hasn't necessarily talked to police.

Re:Which was it?? (1)

Rhaban (987410) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176968)

She left the door open, began cleaning the room, got assaulted, tried to escape, and only then he shut the door.

Where is it contradictory?

Thank you (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36176952)

As a french, let me tell you, thank you America for doing what our justice system failed to do for at least 10 years.

my unambiguous tush (3, Insightful)

fche (36607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176964)

The "unambiguous computer records" at issue here are the supposed times and codes of door openings and times of closings. It's unambiguously useless for telling apart situation (a) the attempted rapist guest closes the door and (b) the maid interested in extracurricular activities closes the door.

The maid story is unbelievable (0, Troll)

e70838 (976799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36176966)

DSK is very famous for its relationship with women. He loves sex and women love him.
Generally, the women are very satisfied. Why on earth would he run after a maid if she was not make him advances ?
In this story, only idiots could believe he is a sexual predator, the plot theory is by far the most probable.
It is not the first try to trap him on his sexual weakness, but it is the first time it is not defeated.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36176994)

DSK is very famous for its relationship with women. He loves sex and women love him.

Generally, the women are very satisfied. Why on earth would he run after a maid if she was not make him advances ?

In this story, only idiots could believe he is a sexual predator, the plot theory is by far the most probable.

It is not the first try to trap him on his sexual weakness, but it is the first time it is not defeated.

well according to other reports on the Intertubes, she may be HIV+ so the unabiguous computer records will be trumped by the unambigous antibody records...

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1, Troll)

e70838 (976799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177022)

The antibody records says nothing about the plot theory. In fact, if she is HIV+, this gives her a good reason to sell her services. She has nothing to loose and she needs money for medicine.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177292)

Even if she's HIV+, can you prove the HIV came from DSK? Does DSK even have HIV?

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177010)

DSK is very famous for its relationship with women. He loves sex and women love him.
Generally, the women are very satisfied. Why on earth would he run after a maid if she was not make him advances ?
In this story, only idiots could believe he is a sexual predator, the plot theory is by far the most probable.

"But officer, there's no way I could be a murderer! I've never murdered anyone before!"

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177064)

It is not a murder. Why would rape someone when you have the prettiest women at your knees ?
You are OT or stupid ?

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177104)

Roman, is that you ?

PS: your last movie sucked btw.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177082)

Oh, he is not in his first assault offense, or so it would seem. He is known for his love of sex, yes, but also for his temperamental behavior.

That said, was it an "assault" or just an advance that was a little too harsh? Where does the law draws the line there?
Plus, the maid saying "I didn't know who he was" is also laughable. If she didn't know he was full of money, she'd never had sued in the first place.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177230)

She didn't sue. She had him charged for assault, etc. Suing =/ charging, just like sewing=/ knitting. Just because things are of the same broad category does not make them the same.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (3, Insightful)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177454)

I have a few quite celebrity-aware friends. I'm always amazed at how many celebrities (A- to D-list) I come across when I'm with them. I can conceive of a poor immigrant woman not having either knowledge nor interest about the west's current nomenklatura. I'm French and, honestly, before this, I probably wouldn't have recognized him either. His name I would, his face,not.

She's been cleaning $3000 a night rooms for 3 years. If she wanted to blackmail people, she wouldn't run off to the police, she would probably target business, sports, show-business people rather than politicians, and above all she would ask privately for money, not publicly for justice.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Bucc5062 (856482) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177074)

Ahhhh, nothing like a good conspiracy theory with my morning coffee. Brightens my day. However, I prefer the more mundane, the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. No matter what, two lives are irrevocably changed and not for the better.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177562)

whether or not he "raped" her I don't know. Sexual assault could be as simple as she saw him naked and he made some stupid joke in an embarrassing situation and she thought he was coming onto her. In any case, If she walks away with a large cash settlement I'm pretty sure her life will be better.

I don't know what the layout of this guys suite was, probably nothing like a regular hotel room, but I've stayed in quite a few hotels where the bathroom door is right next to the room door. I don't always take a change of clothes with me when I take a shower when I'm alone in the room. If I came out of the bathroom expecting to go get dressed and found myself standing in front of the room door wide open, with or without a trolly blocking it, I might be inclined to close door so other guest walking by wouldn't have to see my ugly naked butt as I went for clothes.

I don't have to assume he has a lot of money or that the maid may not be quite as well off.
I see two scenarios:
1) It could be possible for her to have seen a situation to make some money in a settlement, with him or the hotel, by consenting to sex then later saying she was assaulted.
2) It could also be possible that he did rape her thinking he could buy his way out later.

Either way, I don't see the door records proving either situation.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177642)

Ah, but, in many cases, people will differ on what the simplest explanation is.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Bucc5062 (856482) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177828)

Perhaps I should add the word rational.

#1
A baby is born in Hawaii 45 years ago. Today, as a US citizen, he is President of the United States

#2
45 Years ago a cabal implemented a plan to put in place a man who will bring socialism and destruction to America. They used a fake birth certificate, bribed doctors, used actors portraying parents and grand parents stating he was born in the US, while the truth is he was born in kenya, trained as a convert operative in Indonesia; they manipulated the election so he could finally bring ruin to this country.

#2 is more fun, #1 is more rational and that's how I hope we mainly look at things. His dick "Allegedly" overcame his rational mind and he did something very stupid. They both pay for it in the end, no matter the outcome, and that is the sad point.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177186)

It's obviously an alien conspiracy against Strauss-Kahn. He is himself an alien from Alpha Centauri and aliens from Sirius are vying control of Earth from Alpha Centauri aliens. To this end they have hired a shapeshifter from Vega to entrap him.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (2)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177226)

Famous indeed.... [ndtv.com]

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (2)

gilleain (1310105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177262)

It is not the first try to trap him on his sexual weakness, but it is the first time it is not defeated.

"Oh no! My one weakness : sex! If only you hadn't been a woman cleaning my room when I stepped out of the shower or I might have been able to resist fucking you!"

Don't make me laugh. If she's lying, that's one thing. But I don't think that 'sexual weakness' is a valid defence in court, somehow. This all reminds me of Julian Assange - it is possible that DSK is very good at his job, and great in many other ways, but _at the same time_ a sexual predator to some extent.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177410)

Somewhat related to your point; Daniel Kinge, creator and owner of Sparklebox (a website packed with great primary education resources he spent many years creating) also happens to be in jail for creating and possession of indecent images of children. A lot of UK schools have blocked Sparklebox because of this. Personally, I think it is a little short sighted and smacks of knee-jerk response, as there was no evidence to show that Sparklebox was in any way used to groom or harvest the details of children for sexual predation, yet teachers are now "deprived" of the educational content he created.

I say "deprived" as many teachers access the site from home and bring the resources in on memory sticks or printed paper. The guy deserves to be in jail for his crimes, of which there are maybe a handful more abhorrent, but that doesn't stop him being a very good teacher.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

gilleain (1310105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177736)

I agree with you that it doesn't make sense from a purely logical point of view, but I can totally understand why a school would block that site like it was radioactive. The school's head(s) would be thinking about what parents would say, I suppose.

Must suck to be a teacher that relied on this, though. What can you say : "I know he was a paedophile, BUT it's a great site!"?

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177528)

Proofs of innocence of Julian Assange are available: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1282877/pg1 [godlikeproductions.com]
For DSK, very few can be proved about what has happened in the room, we can mainly infer using the profile of the two people.
The reputation of DSK is his weakness, because that gives suspicion that the maid could tell the truth. You need to learn more about the guy to be convinced it is a plot or a big deformation of reality.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

gilleain (1310105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177612)

The reputation of DSK is his weakness, because that gives suspicion that the maid could tell the truth. You need to learn more about the guy to be convinced it is a plot or a big deformation of reality.

A plot? Much has been made of the fact that he mentioned the possibility of such a thing happening a month before this happened. What occurs to me now is this : why didn't he follow his instincts? If he thought there was some genuine possibility that he might be set up, then why try not having sex with random maids.

I'm willing to entertain the possibility that it might be a setup. But if there is reasonable evidence of sexual intercourse between the two of them, then he is either an idiot or a liar.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (2)

swalve (1980968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177346)

Only an idiot denies that sexual urges are rational. Some men like the chase. Where is the passion if women are lining up to suckle at your manly teet? Chasing tail is exhilerating, and overcoming objections is ego-boosting. Likely, he has done things like this before, and has previously relied on women's shame or discretion to keep it out of the courts. This time he was not so lucky.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

joekrahn (544037) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177350)

Obviously, this comment came from a man that is just as delusional and egotistical as DSK. He THINKS that all women want to have sex with him. In reality, he is garbage. I am looking forward to reading about evidence DSK's untimely death.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177618)

Why on earth would he run after a maid if she was not make him advances ?

The same question could be asked about most rapists. Or did you think rapists were only ugly men who never got any. Also his story doesn't make sense.

  • 1) Why would this maid want to give him a blowjob? He is a random old man? Did he pay her?
  • 2) If she wanted to have sex with him why did she charge him with rape?

His story only makes sense if there is a conspiracy to convict him of rape. But we haven't seen any evidence of that. There is no story that she received a bunch of money recently. Or that she actually works for the CIA. All evidence points to this being some normal maid working a normal day at a hotel.

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (2)

redelm (54142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177754)

58% of france also believe DSK was entraped. It should be dispelled:

Some women might well enjoy DSK. That does not mean all will. Some might like an aggressive approach. Not all will. He has had some past accusations (withdrawn).

The victim is a muslim widow from West Africa with political asylum. She reported immediately and is inconsoleable. Unless this can be disproven and she is unmasked as some sort of agent, her word is good.

If DSK is a predator, he would not wait for advances. If he is not a predator, why would he even respond to advances? Knowing the danger, he would have keeped it zipped.

Or does 58% of france believe that true men never say no? LOL!

Re:The maid story is unbelievable (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177990)

You're a sick fuck, dude.

More interesting electronic evidence (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36176988)

would be a linkage to a well-secured account on the Cayman islands, with $2 million deposited by a French entity, at the maid's discrete disposal.

Re:More interesting electronic evidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177030)

Actually there is, but it comes from a Hungarian entity, so it has nothing to do with this ;)

Re:More interesting electronic evidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177132)

French or Russian. Most of the countries are very satisfied of his action at the IMF. Russia (and a bit USA) are unhappy.

Re:More interesting electronic evidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177214)

If you didn't notice, DSK was about to run for president against Sarkozy, with pretty good chances of getting the job.

As Admiral Ackbar said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177054)

"Its a trap!"

Funny, I heard the same thing about their cameras (4, Interesting)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177122)

I heard on the radio the other day that hotel and city surveillance cameras were going to be the key to prove his innocence or guilt since they are virtually EVERYWHERE in New York City.
The other interesting tidbit of information is that DSK said that he would be set-up in some sort of entrapment sex scandal [businessinsider.com] a few weeks before he arrived in the USA.
Makes you wonder...

Re:Funny, I heard the same thing about their camer (2, Interesting)

JustOK (667959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177210)

"I'm going to be framed!" Sow the seeds of reasonable doubt before the crime.

Re:Funny, I heard the same thing about their camer (1)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177578)

[Wild conjecture follows:] The fellow seems snarky enough to have made that statement with foreknowledge that he planned to take advantage of the maid, so as to have his prior claims that someone might set him up would be a ready defense.

Other reasons (1, Insightful)

maroberts (15852) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177270)

Hmm, man walks out of bathroom after having showered only to find someone in his room who may or may not be the maid. Could he have not thought she was a burglar or simply have being trying to force her out of the room whilst he got dressed? (Hey if everyone else can speculate with no facts to go on, lets join in!)

Re:Other reasons (4, Funny)

whoda (569082) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177392)

And the he ejaculated into her mouth and turned her around and bent her over because that's how justice rolls in France?

Re:Other reasons (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177470)

trying to force her out of the room by locking her in? judging by his career, the guy is smarter than that.

Re:Other reasons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177558)

Maids at hotels like Sofitel have uniforms that shout "I am a MAID!" No way she could have been mistaken for anyone else by a man like DSK who has stayed at the hotel many times before.

Intelligence evidence (4, Insightful)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177398)

I bet a few people where listening to bugs planted in that room. too bad that kind of evidence will never become public.

Something overheard in Rikers (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177604)

Dammit, how did Assange manage to get TWO women, I only got one, and it's the housemaid for Pete's sake...

She lives in an apartment for AIDS positive people (1)

whoda (569082) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177738)

Hopefully she used some teeth and gargled some spit down his dick.

Note to self... (1)

acoustix (123925) | more than 3 years ago | (#36177804)

Remove the door before attempting rape.

Khan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36177814)

Has been watching too much Maid in Manhattan lately!

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