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Explosion At Foxconn Factory Kills 2, Injures 16

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the don't-kill-yourself,-we'll-do-it-for-you dept.

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arielCo writes "There are several reports in the news about an explosion in a Foxconn factory in Chengdu that manufactures the iPad 2, killing two workers and injuring another 16. 'The Chengdu Municipal government said the explosion occurred in Foxconn's "polishing plant" at around 7 p.m. Experts say it is likely a cleaning stage at the end of the production process after devices are assembled.' There's a short amateur video of the ensuing fire, taken during the evacuation. Apple said they are working with Foxconn to investigate."

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Backfire? (5, Interesting)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201712)

Is this what happens when you make everyone sign no suicide contracts?

Nope, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201776)

The exploding battery problem has apparently not been solved:
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/08/28/1535243/Apple-Faces-Inquiries-In-the-EU-On-iPhone-Accidents?art_pos=1

Re:Nope, but... (1, Flamebait)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202084)

I'm just saying if people want to kill themselves and they sign contracts that prevent their families from collecting benefits if they do they may cause "accidents" so their families can still benefit.

I don't see how any fucktard can interpret that as trolling.

Keikaku doori... (2, Interesting)

DamienNightbane (768702) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201714)

Somehow I doubt that this was an accident.

Re:Keikaku doori... (1)

DamienNightbane (768702) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201850)

Well shit. It looks like they'll just give anyone mod points these days.

Re:Keikaku doori... (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202018)

The first 2 posts, including yours, were probably modded down by the same guy posting "CATCH AIDS FAGGOTS" flamebait... or one of the Apple-flavored shills...

Kind of sad (5, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201728)

Even the Foxconn buildings are trying to commit suicide now.

Re:Kind of sad (1)

DamienNightbane (768702) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201778)

Oh snap!

This is terrible to hear (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201742)

I've just ordered an iPad. I hope I don't get one that has been damaged by the explosion.

man that was wrong as hell (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201962)

but dead-on funny satire

Re:This is terrible to hear (1, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202502)

Don't worry, his Jobsiness (may his turtleneck never sag) foresaw this and ordained that they shall be available in black, so scorchmarks and soot won't show.

The new Bothans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201756)

Many Chengduians died to bring us this iPad?

This is obviously... (2)

Morphine007 (207082) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201764)

... the rapture.

Re:This is obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201846)

... the rapture.

Yes. God is striking at the Forbidden Fruit god, Steve Jobs. Obviously.

Re:This is obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202032)

Steve Jobs is the antichrist?!?!

I did some research and I think your right!!

According to this page http://www.christianityoasis.com/endtimes/antichristandhisempire.htm [christianityoasis.com]

This individual, known as Antichrist in the Bible, will be a sinister world leader that shows up during the End Times. He reigns terror for three and one half years. He will be the leader of a ten unit empire. He will be powerful and is even able to perform miracles. His powers will come from satan. He and his sidekick, the false prophet, will deceive the world. These two will cause everyone in the world to take a mark in their right hand or in their head. Nobody can buy or sell anything without this mark. They will also create an image and all must worship it ... Or die. The number one mission of Antichrist is to get the entire world to worship him as their lord. If they choose not to, they will be killed. It will truly be HELL on earth.

So lets see here:
It has been roughly 3 and a half years since the first iphone came out!
Mac mini, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, xServ, iPod, iPhone, Apple TV, iPad = Ten unit empire
Preform miracles? Did you see how he brought Apple back to life?
Sidekick? No doubt its Tim Cook
Take a mark in their right hand or head? People carrying and placing the apple logo next to their head in the form of the iPhone.
Nobody can buy or sell without it? Buy or sell apps that is (Alternative explanation: That soon you will pay for things by swiping your phone over the register)
Entire world to worship him as lord? Have you HEARD his fanbois?

Other signs:
The Apple I was priced at $666.66

Rupture? You don't know rupture. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202412)

As millions of Apple FanBois (on iPad waiting list) cried out in pain and then abruptly silenced.

chosen ones neogod holycost 1000's dying daily (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201772)

no changes are planned evidenced by our rulers allowing the nonsensical (eye off the ball) end of world hysteria to flood their highly controlled mainstream media, while continuing to avoid telling us the truth about anything at all. you can call this 'weather' if it makes you feel better.

Begs the question... (2, Funny)

Pollux (102520) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201788)

I suppose, if Apple is that much of a religion [slashdot.org] to Apple fans, then does that make these lost plant workers martyrs?

Re:Begs the question... (4, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201876)

And more importantly, do these martyrs get 72 free downloads from the App Store(tm)...

Re:Begs the question... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201888)

This factory isn't owned by Apple.

I would imagine you own plenty of devices with parts and components made at Foxconn.

Re:Begs the question... (2)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201928)

I know I do, and I regret that. I hate that we buy our electronics made at factories like these. They're only made there because you can cut any corner you want in China, including actually paying your workers, and still sell in America. Why have we not told China to man up and get some human rights? We made the mistake of waiting to be well established before getting rid of slavery and underpaid immigrant workers (mostly, we're still working on that). If China could actually do the human rights thing now instead of later, maybe I'd have more respect for them.

Re:Begs the question... (3, Insightful)

nysus (162232) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201998)

Capitalism is good at many things, but uplifting workers ain't one of them. The only thing will make apple respond is if it sees a consumer backlash which will pressure the, to allow these workers to form an autonomous union.

Re:Begs the question... (0)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202056)

Apple doesn't hire the workers and run the factories, Foxconn does. Apple can try to influence Foxconn, but they don't own it. I know it's very fashionable on slashdot to hate Apple and blame them for everything wrong in the world, but let's at least try to be rational.

Re:Begs the question... (4, Insightful)

tukang (1209392) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202198)

Apple knows what's going on at Foxconn but still choose to do business with them. Outsourcing your dirty work does not absolve you of responsibility.

Re:Begs the question... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202206)

They could use another vendor if they did not like the way foxconn does business. I wish we knew which of these electronics OEMS ( foxconn, MSI, etc, not integrators like Apple) had the best labor practices. I would be sure to buy their products.

Re:Begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202244)

My god. That is the most mealy-mouthed fanbois excuse I've ever heard.

Apple could stop buying stuff from Foxconn. That would influence them fast enough. But then you wouldn't get your precious iPad would you?

Hang your head in shame.

Re:Begs the question... (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202406)

Stop being an ass. I neither have nor want an iThingie. I'm just not irrational, so naturally expect that the way to deal with Foxconn is to (1) not knowingly buy anything made there and (2) put pressure on *Foxconn* directly, as they are the bad actor in question. But that's too rational for slashdot, probably... Contains no shame, hatred, or logical fallacies.

Re:Begs the question... (1)

Reservoir Penguin (611789) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202246)

You people are really talking out of your ass. In my experience every western company that opens business here in Russia provides better than local pay, good working conditions and a sane promotion path. True for anything from retail to manufacture to IT outsourcing. The salaries may not seem much in absolute values (about 1000 euros for entry level skilled labour) but provide a good standard of living and the jobs are sought after.

Re:Begs the question... (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202248)

I'm sure China is just lying awake at night wishing it had your respect.

Why have we not told China to man up and get some human rights?

Really? I mean... really? How old are you?

Re:Begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202064)

It's the first sign of the App-ture, when Steve Jobs will descend from on high, taking the faithful with him back to Cupertino, leaving the rest ofthe world in ruins. Destroying the production plants is necessary to stop the insincere-converters from snapping up an iPhone or ipad in time to be App-tured with the rest of us.

Re:Begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202068)

No, since they are not believing in it. I bet they rather hate Apple.
Foxconn employees would be more like "heretics" forced to do slave labor by inquisitors for their "sins".

Now contrast this story to this: Colbert and his iPad [colbertnation.com] ...
...and you can see how fucked-up things are.

Cheap crap we don't need, with money we don't have... indeed.

Re:Begs the question... (1)

rednip (186217) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202144)

It's only market forces that are keeping these skilled workers in squalor, if they weren't making iPads they'd be making TVs for Walmart. The most telling thing about China is that organized labor (that isn't just an organ of the state) could help jump start a large middle class, but it won't happen as long as the 'communists' are still in power.

Re:Begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202222)

No, a device *you* don't need and money *you* don't have.

Typical geek filth projecting your sorry little existence on to everyone.

Your iMac guarantees it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202486)

Reminder: TODAY IS JUDGEMENT DAY. Cry onto almighty Jobs!

Re:Begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202518)

I think the more accurate headline is "Explosion at Foxconn, iPad delays imminent, several also possibly killed or injured".

Two workers killed, sixteen injured... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201820)

... the rest were fired for leaving their posts.

rulers fear mandate paying big for fake deities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201824)

no better way to make things right than to plead with some imaginary fictional being for forgiveness? The fines are minimal, there's nothing that cannot be 'forgiven'? clean slate, ready for our eternal reward system

Broken society (2)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201840)

This probably wouldn't happen in the western world because we have some expectation of safety and working conditions. In a ideal world, we'd be manufacturing this sort of thing at home. Any form of economic prosperity in one area is balanced by a social or economic cost in another.

Re:it can't happen here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201894)

just ask the workers @ Upper Big Branch mine:-(

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201896)

But isn't the cost of human lives worth it to make our fancy toys $1 more profitab^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcheaper?

Re:Broken society (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201920)

Actually I think it's encouraged in the western world, most companies hold insurance policies on their workers...

Re:Broken society (1, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201940)

Your 'in an ideal world' makes no sense. In an ideal world we wouldnt have to worry about petty nationalism. These things are made where they are because cost of labor is cheap there. If the ipad was made in America it would cost almost 25-50% more what it does now. That makes sense how?

Re:Broken society (2)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201984)

Why is it cheap there? Should it be? It's exploitation. Lack of safety makes it cheaper. Do you really think Apple cares?

If that's not broken then I'm afraid to tell you what happens in the world because it won't make sense to you because cheaper is better, right?~

Re:Broken society (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202130)

How is it exploitation? Cost of labour in india and china is cheap because they have huge, relatively under educated labour pools, poor access to jobs, etc. In short: they're poor. Labour is cheap, and they only way they will stop being less poor is if they get jobs and foreign investment, and frankly foreign ideas on how to actually be productive.

Sure, china has less up to date (enforced) labour and safety standards than in the west. But 1: bad shit still happens here. And 2: they're 100 years behind because 100 years ago we were actually outright exploiting them (from the opium wars up through the partial occupation by japan etc.).

In an ideal world they will catch up to our standard of living, or we will slide down to theirs, or, more likely, some combination of the two. And then you can specialize labour regionally etc. But right now they aspire to the lifestyle of a college student, because we walled them off and exploited them for so long.

Now that we're actually trying to be fair to them with trade rules etc. we are struggling to compete, but that is an issue that will resolve itself with time.

Re:Broken society (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202160)

In the ideal world we would all live like kings if desired. Being sentient beings, we can create that world, but there is little will to do so because of the irrational fear of losing what we have in the quest..

Re:Broken society (0)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202232)

Do you think it's in the best interests of western society and the large banks and corporations for the poorer nations to ever catch up with us? How can they catch up with us? The kind of contracts and deals made by western countries are usually detrimental to these societies. It's very much in our these big companies interests for them to be poor and begging to work for a dollar a day.

The Silent Takeover is a good book for this kind of thing, globalisation is good for a select group of people. Hint: It's probably not us or these workers.

Re:Broken society (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201990)

It would not cost anywhere near that much extra. Germans still make cars, reasonable priced ones. They have much higher labor rates than even Americans. Paying line workers is just not that big a cost in such an operation. I bet they save more than the labor savings just on being able to dump whatever they want into the environment.

Either way, there is no reason why these products could not be built in China by 40 hour per week, well paid workers in safe working conditions. The ipad 3 might cost a whole $10 extra of you did that.

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202082)

Germany only builds their higher end cars in the country, the budget cars are built in Brazil (Volkswagen Fox) and the parts for all of them come from all over the place.

Re:Broken society (3, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202146)

The Ford Focus is a high-end car? Is the Ford Feista a high-end car?

Cars are assembled closer to delivery points so they can be tailored for that market. The VW fox was designed for the South American market and is imported to Europe. Not because it is cheap, the Golf is produced in Germany. This because that is where the factory for them was built, since it was designed for the South American market. Imports to Europe came about after the car was a success in South America.

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202378)

Yes, but then Apple wouldn't be able to make a 50% profit margin on each iToy sold.

Re:Broken society (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202014)

In a pre-Reagan world, there would be 20-50% tariffs on it when it comes back in China, and Apple would do the math and make it in America. And if you can't afford it at that price, tough, or DEMAND AND GET RAISES, also like in pre-Reagan America. Or have your union bargain for raises, again, like before the 80s. But we were forced to go with "make stuff cheaper by any means necessary, so workers can work for lower wages, thus keeping inflation in check, which destroys our ill-gotten non-taxed wealth."

Re:Broken society (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202190)

Have your union bargain for raises? Not in Wisconsin. And any other state that's enacting union stripping bills.

The unions maybe seen as greedy, but this kind of bargaining is why unions are a good idea. Democracy in action.

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202390)

Public sector unions and private sector unions are very different things. In the latter case, if they strangle the host that feeds them, they die. (Well, unless they can get a bailout from the feds.)

Re:Broken society (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202028)

because heath and safety would inspect the plant to make sure dust wasn't building up - and make sure they arn't locking employees in the building which has cased fatalities before in china

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202112)

It makes sense in several ways. First, all those safety and environmental regulations actually make the corporation (and often the consumer) pay for the real cost of manufacturing. Disposing of toxic waste, for instance, costs money while dumping it is cheap. However, somebody's eventually got to pay for that in cleanup costs, diminished land value, health care costs, etc. Overseas manufacturers and their American outsourcers are betting it won't be them. It's a classic case of our current economic model of internalizing profits and externalizing costs. (another would be the MAFIAA type organizations getting ICE and DOJ to go after people for what should be civil infringement actions). It's standard American kleptocracy in action.

Another benefit of manufacturing and manufactured goods bearing a realistic cost is that maybe, just maybe, we'll stop designing disposable crap and put some actual quality into things that will last. People used to have TVs and electronics repaired instead of replaced at the first sign of trouble, you know.

Stop assuming that just because things are a certain way that it's the best and proper way for them to be.

Re:Broken society (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202174)

You are absolutely right and that's why it's a broken society. I am very much in agreement with you. What can we do about it? I find it hard to tell you because I find it hard to take.
All around me are familiar faces, worn out places, worn out faces, bright and early for their daily races, going nowhere going nowhere. Their tears are filling up their glasses, no expression, no expression.
No tomorrow.

I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad. The dreams in which I am dying are the best I've ever had. I find it hard to tell you because I find it hard to take.

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202454)

In an ideal world manufacturing costs wouldn't be so imbalanced that it'd make sense to have an American company do its manufacturing on a different continent and then shipped across the Pacific Ocean. Things would be made locally because the only difference would be shipping costs.

Massey coal mine? (2)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201970)

dude that happened like last year, more than 20 people got killed

Re:Broken society (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202044)

This probably wouldn't happen in the western world because we have some expectation of safety and working conditions. In a ideal world, we'd be manufacturing this sort of thing at home. Any form of economic prosperity in one area is balanced by a social or economic cost in another.

People dying in accidents at work happens in the USA about 4000 times per year. So things do happen. They don't just happen, they happen every day. Quite likely that ten or more people died in work accidents in the USA on the same die.

Re:Broken society (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202108)

Yes, accidents do happen, but conditions change the rates quite dramatically. More than 100,000 Chinese people died in work related accidents every year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7201875.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Even if we say China has 4 times as many people, that only accounts for 16k deaths a year. Not even a quarter of the total.

You are either being disingenuous intentionally, or are a complete moron, which is it?

Re:Broken society (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202260)

Were you replying to me? I like neither option of being disingenuous or being a moron...

Re:Broken society (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202324)

I was replying to gnasher719 who was suggesting that since we have 4000 accidental work related deaths in the USA clearly the Chinese are doing just fine when it comes to worker safety.

He is either being disingenuous or is a moron.

It is possible that while I appear to have replied to the correct post slashdot is once again broken. I am using the classic view though.

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202402)

Obviously the right way to do the math is 100,000/4 = per capita normalized 25,000 deaths in China.

25,000/4,000 = 6.25 as many deaths in China.

Therefore, Chinese are worth about 1/6th of an American... probably about what they are paid too.

Re:Broken society (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202120)

The question is whether it was an accident committed by human error or was it the factory itself where the plant was not safe to work in. Human error is probably pretty close between different nations.

Working conditions here have steadily improved. If there were not laws to prevent it, managers would happily risk your life, give you lifelong debilitating conditions in the name of profit. My assumption was this was caused by the factory, perhaps negligence from maintaining it. In western countries you would have some kind of recourse due to the regulations and safety standards. There? Not so much.

Re:Broken society (2)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202132)

Any form of economic prosperity in one area is balanced by a social or economic cost in another.

?? Really? You believe in zero-sum? You can't have prosperity and freedom on all sides through cooperation and fair trade? I think we can.. if we want it...

Re:Broken society (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202274)

I believe in zero-sum because it's human nature to exploit rather than co-operate in large populations. Co-operation and alturism works in small groups and has a synergistic effect and is better than zero-sum. When you expand the numbers to huge disparate groups like countries and institutions (like business or government) it's back to biological zero-sum survival.

It's like I see these adverts for investment management and types of trading all the time. Don't these people watching these graphs that constantly go up constantly realise it's a zero-sum game?

I'm not saying I like it but it's what happening. I wish we had co-operation and fair trade. Or did you forget your ~?

Re:Broken society (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202346)

I happen to believe that synergy does scale, as shown by the negative synergy we are now living under. The authoritarianism is very global, and has deep roots. And it's not human nature, it's just plain natural animal psychology that overwhelms the 'rational' brain.

Re:Broken society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202488)

I live in Houston and refinery accidents are pretty much an annual occurrence. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Refinery_explosion for a recent example where 15 people were killed and 170 injured, after the refinery had been cited multiple times for plant safety problems. Even after that accident, several people have been killed at the same refinery. Oh, and by the way, it's the same company that lost 17 workers and dumped millions of barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

Manufacturing iPads and laptops in the US will not guarantee safety. Odds are that safety-related spending would be cut even more to offset the higher wages.

We are to blame. (2)

pro151 (2021702) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201874)

We demand that our toys be delivered quickly and at the lowest possible cost. We are not willing to pay a fair price for a product built by happy people earning a decent wage. You can blame Apple, Microsoft, Google or whichever company you choose but the blame rests squarely on our shoulders. Flame suit on.

Re:We are to blame. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201926)

We are not willing to pay a fair price for a product built by happy people earning a decent wage.

Well DUH. Do you realize how many nice things you can have if you can only buy them from people making a decent wage? Yeah, not a whole lot. Read your history. Before making things in low cost geographies was economically possible, houses were smaller, families had one car, were lucky to have a TV, etc. Prices for luxury items (adjusted for inflation) were a lot higher. If we went back to those days (albeit with modern tech) most of the posters here on slashdot would disappear as they could not afford a computer and net access. Prosperity is always built on the backs of someone - I am just glad that (today at least) it isn't me.

Re:We are to blame. (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202006)

Bullshit, automation would be used if they could not exploit these folks. House sizes might shrink a little, but computers are cheap to make via automated processes. The models might change less often due to setup costs though.

Re:We are to blame. (1)

wisty (1335733) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202140)

Also, many of the bits for the iPad are made in Japan, or other rich countries.

Re:We are to blame. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202168)

Which is a great place to get caps if you don't want them leaking:)

Re:We are to blame. (1)

Elviswind (1959800) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202308)

I'm not so sure it would be feasible to fully automate the final assembly. I'm not aware of any computers that are made via fully automated processes. Certain components are, of course, but not the final assembly. You still need thousands of dexterous human fingers to put everything together as the last step. You are correct about setup costs though; I wouldn't be surprised if it costs upwards of a $100 million to fully tool and automate a final assembly line like the iPad.

Re:We are to blame. (1)

Glendale2x (210533) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201948)

No flame, you're right. Consumers want cheap everything, where it comes from be damned. Likewise shareholders want to see short term results, long term be damned.

Re:We are to blame. (1)

LuxuryYacht (229372) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201952)

Aren't Apple products always higher priced than their competitors products with nearly identical features? I look at most Apple product consumers as people that are willing to pay far more for less features than other similar products.

Re:We are to blame. (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202118)

No, they're actually not. iPhone is priced the same as other premium cell phones. iPads are generally cheaper than roughly-equivalent pads from other manufacturers. Macbook Pros are about the same price as other high-end laptops from Lenovo and others for the same specs/form factor/battery life.

Re:We are to blame. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202462)

I have to agree on iPads and iPhone.
However on the part of Laptops or Desktops I have to strongly disagree. Perhaps this is because I live in Europe but just quickly comparing the most expensive Macbook Pro to an Alienware M17X from dell yields a difference in price of about 600 Euro in favor of the Alienware. Also the Alienware actually dares to mention what GPU it has and gives you a choice in the matter while the apple store seems to omit the fact that there is a graphics card at all in the "customize" part of the process. a quick look back shows that it has a "AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1 GB GDDR5" vs. a "2 GB GDDR5 AMD® Radeon HD 6970M" with the Alienware. So if I dare to name it that makes the Macbook cost about 1/4th more than the Alienware and less powerful.
Just to round this up I will chose a low-end Macbook and compare it to another offering:
They seem to be ashamed to mention the display is just 13" because you have to click some extra tab to find that out. The Macbook costs ~1000 Euro, I'll compare it to Inspiron 15R which costs ~450 Euro. The Inspiron has "Intel® Core i3-380M Prozessor (3M cache, 2.53 GHz)" compared to "2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo" (not that there is no model name, it also has 3MB L2) , "3072MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x1024 + 1x2048]" compared to "2 GB (2 x 1 GB SO-DIMMs)", it does also have bluetooth, ethernet, wifi and the like, a 15.6" screen and a 1.3MP webcam the macbook doesn't have. The Macbook however has a "NVIDIA GeForce 320M" with 256MB DDR3. This time apple costs more than twice as much while still being less powerful.
Now can we just accept this as a fact and be done with it :)

Re:We are to blame. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201964)

I would be more than willing to pay 20% more, which is what one would be expecting based on other goods. I would even guess that at that point more automation would be used. Taco bell at least at one point was paying 1 cent per pound extra on tomatoes which resulted in farm workers nearly doubling their take home pay.

Please tell me where I can spend my money to ensure I get "fair trade" computer components. I already buy first world made clothes, food made with the least amount of animal cruelty (I even have met the pigs on occasion) and try to ensure my coffee and chocolate are not supplied by those using slaves. I want to buy what you claim has no market, I am only waiting to find out where.

Their "investigation" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36201882)

Their investigation: Marketing team figuring out how to avoid bad publicity.

Re:Their "investigation" (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201988)

In Capitalist West, high product prices kill you!
In Communist China nothing kills you.
... Communism - helping America into the New Digital World

Re:Their "investigation" (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202212)

Foxxcom was rapidly dismantled to make way for glorious new tractor factory.

Just because (5, Insightful)

mrcvp (1130257) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201908)

The worst thing about this story it that it would probably be unnoticed if it happened at any other factory in china. But now it's Foxconn and iPad 2 so now it's interesting.

The point being? (1)

nicholas22 (1945330) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201918)

I think the interest in publishing these stories stems from the contrast between the death and hardship suffered on the workers' side, as opposed to the blatant enjoyment and consumerism of using non-essential things like iPads, portraying a sort of class gap intending to elicit feelings of guilt. I have a rooted Android tablet (nook color); therefore I am entitled to feel good, twice!

Re:The point being? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202016)

How about instead of feeling useless guilt, you just be willing to pay a couple bucks more. Now point in feeling bad, just agree that you will be willing to toss in $5 extra for the Nook2 so these folks don't have to live like this.

Re:The point being? (1)

digitallife (805599) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202102)

No the interest in publishing these stories is Apple bashing. You hadn't noticed the 5-10 articles a day like this on /.? It's worse than the MS heyday.

Re:The point being? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202122)

The MS articles are still there. Flame bait articles stir up site hits. This is why science articles largely go unnoticed around here.

Some assembly required (1)

Tinctorius (1529849) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201956)

Let's go back to the Sinclair model: we assemble our own gizmos. Really, it's more fun than unboxing, and it gives an opportunity for the geeks to interact with people who can't assemble the things by themselves.

thingiverse.com (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36201978)

enjoy! right now all they have is like the stuff you could buy at Dollar Tree , but i think its only a matter of time.

Re:Some assembly required (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202038)

I value my time and like not having to deal with basement dwellers any more than I have to, so let's not go back to the Sinclair model.

if you asked a foxxcon worker... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202046)

they might say their working conditions are inhumane. If you asked a stockholder, they might say who cares. (cue apple logo)

Are the iPads OK? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202078)

Over a billion people in China so plenty more of them - they're expendable.

Jobs should keep some of the injured on life support so he has a supply of organs just in case - he owes it to us shareholders.

the 2 killed will be listed as suicides so foxconn (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202094)

the 2 killed will be listed as suicides so foxconn does not pay out on there death.

Foxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202110)

Foxconn ? Is it owned by Rupert Murdoch?

Headline is wrong (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202138)

Wait, didn't you mean "EXPLODEY at APPLE factory that only builds APPLE stuff and APPLE totally controls and really, really does not build stuff for anyone else and we're totally not just tying it to APPLE for page hits!"

this is getting old fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36202142)

Can we please get off Foxconn for those with too much free time on their hands.
I live in a large North American city, and if you follow the media, there has not been a suicide in this city EVER, that's how happy everyone is here in the west. I honestly don't know why the city blew a shitload of tax revenue on suicide prevention fencing on bridges, etc.
Oh but there was a worker crushed to death in an industrial accident here, but unfortunately no international news outlet picked it up.

reports are blaming it on a smoking worker? (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202156)

reports are blaming it on a smoking worker? sounds like a cover up / pushing the blame on workers for likely a cost cutting lack of repair to the machines that are used.

Re:reports are blaming it on a smoking worker? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202258)

Unlike here in the west(US/Cdn/Europe/etc), smoking is still a pretty common thing in asian countries. And so is smoking on the job unless you work in an office building. So it really wouldn't surprise me a single bit.

Re:reports are blaming it on a smoking worker? (1)

moortak (1273582) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202542)

If smoking on the job is common and allowed at the factory it should be set up so that a smoking employee doesn't cause an explosion.

Apple is the only company doing something about it (1)

FFFFFFffffffffffff!! (2173146) | more than 3 years ago | (#36202468)

Why as soon as a Foxconn story breaks out the Apple bashing start? I don't care for the company, but they seem to be the only actually trying to do something about it when these articles hit the news, while you never hear a thing from the executives of all the other companies who manufacture their product there.
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