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Creator of China's Great Firewall Pelted With Shoes

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the shoes-and-stones dept.

Censorship 220

Hugh Pickens writes "The Guardian reports that Chinese police are seeking a man who said he threw eggs and shoes at the architect of China's 'great firewall', the world's most sophisticated and extensive online censorship system as his claims were cheered by many internet users, in a reflection of growing anger among them about increasingly stringent controls. The office of Fang Binxing, known as the father of the great firewall, denied the attack had happened, but Associated Press said police were sent to the university to investigate a shoe-throwing incident targeting Fang, citing an officer at the Luojiashan public security bureau. The Twitter user who claimed to have pelted him, who posts under the pseudonym @hanunyi, wrote: 'The egg missed the target. The first shoe hit the target. The second shoe was blocked by a man and a woman.' Earlier this year Fang closed a microblog within days of opening it after thousands of Chinese internet users left comments, almost all of them deriding him as 'a running dog for the government' and 'the enemy of netizens'. Meanwhile admirers of the shoe attacker showered the anonymous young man with promises of everything from Nike trainers to replace his lost footwear, to iPads, sex and jobs."

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Americans are worse (4, Insightful)

bleble (2183476) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212478)

At least the Chinese do something about it. Unlike Americans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it) while their government [torrentfreak.com] not only censors [torrentfreak.com] their internet connections [torrentfreak.com] , but the whole worlds [torrentfreak.com] .

This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

Re:Americans are worse (2, Insightful)

bleble (2183476) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212486)

Oh yeah, this poker censor [slashdot.org] too, as well as wikileaks and countless of others. And here you guys are saying how bad Chinese are...

Re:Americans are worse (4, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212680)

Your point would have more bite if there wasn't a bunch of CCTV recordings of your daily life.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

bleble (2183476) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212724)

Where I live (sweden) that would be illegal. In fact, every store that has security cameras must also have a clear note about it outside the door.

Maybe you're talking about the UK.. Yeah, they're same lunatics as Americans too.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212992)

Hmm. [edri.org] Well. [theregister.co.uk]

Chinese vs American philosophy (1, Funny)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213000)

Chinese: Throw nikes
American: Throw nukes

See? Not that different.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213614)

Your signature [slashdot.org] doesn't work without the sid: 1699040.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212526)

That's quite a blanket of hatred - two whole continents!

Re:Americans are worse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212604)

All that anger over free entertainment. What an amazing cause. You'll truly have go-getters rallying around that cause. Maybe even some hacktivists!

Re:Americans are worse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212610)

At least the Chinese do something about it. Unlike Americans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it) while their government [torrentfreak.com] not only censors [torrentfreak.com] their internet connections [torrentfreak.com] , but the whole worlds [torrentfreak.com] .

This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

Oh Yeah! Well....

USA! USA! USA! We're Number One! USA!

World Power!

USA! USA! USA!

Re:Americans are worse (4, Insightful)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212932)

Here's the bill sir. I'm afraid your reality cheque bounced.

Re:Americans are worse (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212612)

I think copyright laws are an abomination, but I wouldn't put them in the same category of evil as the censorship going on in China. It's annoying to have the MPAA shutting down websites and suing legitimate video websites, sure, but that's a far cry from blocking political discussions.

Aside from just a question of taste, I also think you make those of us opposed to the MPAA's actions look like loons by equating the two, to say nothing of the pointless American bashing. Yes, we like beer and TV and complaining on slashdot, and yes, we are a little too apathetic about some things. Still, pointing it out as you have though is counterproductive, unless you're doing some sort of counter-astroturfing for the MPAA. You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar as the saying goes, even if it isn't literally true.

Either way, after reading your post, my gut impulse was to grab a beer and write the MPAA and tell them I'm okay with them rewriting the law in whatever country "bleble" lives in.

Viewpoint from an American in China (5, Interesting)

ddewey (774337) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212804)

I'm an American who has lived in China for 7 years.

Most ordinary people in China believe the firewall is only for blocking pornography and dangerous information from terrorists. They don't believe political discussion is being blocked. In fact, there are many blogs and social networking sites in China full of political discussion, which are of course censored, but it is only a few sensitive topics that will be removed, so most users will never notice the censorship.

From the comments in this thread, it seems like most US internet users (even the savvy users on Slashdot) likewise believe that US web censorship is only for blocking IP infringement, and never for censoring political discussion.

So it would seem that Chinese and US internet users are equally misinformed and complacent about their own governments' internet censorship.

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (5, Interesting)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212890)

The main difference is the way censorship is theoretically justified. In China, the government is allowed to block content based on the message, while in the US, the government is allowed to block content based on the source. Of course, you'd be an idiot to believe such power is not abused, regardless of how it is done.

I think most slashdotters are aware that such abuses exist, since you see articles about them posted on the main page every so often. I also believe that most Chinese who concern themselves with such matters are also aware of the problem (hence this news article).

Perhaps one area of confusion is that in the US much censorship is done by psuedo-governmental organizations like the RIAA, or telecoms, or facebook, etc. . . which are not, in name, a part of the government but in reality have deep government ties.

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (1)

Cant use a slash wtf (1973166) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213296)

I know this is slightly off-topic. But does anyone happen to know whether /. is blocked in China?

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (4, Informative)

ddewey (774337) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213418)

I live in China and access Slashdot frequently. I've never seen it blocked. Most foreign news sites are rarely blocked in China, and even negative articles about China's government are usually accessible. The exception is news sites with a lot of articles in Chinese, those are often blocked. And around certain important dates some news sites like the BBC may be inaccessible for several days.

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213552)

Important dates... let me guess, Tiananmen Square anniversary is one of them? :(

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213638)

Perhaps one area of confusion is that in the US much censorship is done by psuedo-governmental organizations like the RIAA, or telecoms, or facebook, etc. . . which are not, in name, a part of the government but in reality have deep government ties.

RIAA, telecoms ok. Got any citations regarding facebook?

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213464)

To compare US and Chinese internet censorship as being alike is frankly absurd.

I also live in China.

I have colleagues who've had blog posts automatically removed because they mentioned the nobel piece prize. A major online technical computer discussion forum getting taken offline, because someone posted how to make a proxy on it. A blanket ban on searches for temperature (same as wen jiabao's name). A singificant number of taiwanese goverment agencies are blocked, including the statistics bureaux, national museums, etc. You need a VPN to make the internet usable and a significant number of native non-technical chinese users use them. Since the troubles in the middle east, international traffic has been appalling to the extent of unusable.

Companies are now getting forced to register their IP addresses for VPN connections, due to fear of the Jasmine revolution. Even mentioning that word can get you in bother.

The censorship in China significantly affects people's lives. As much as I'm sure some political internet censorship exists in the US and other western countries, the degree is far less significant, and in general the effects can be openly discussed.

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (1)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213640)

Gah, I wonder as an American living in America what instances of political censorship on the web I've missed? It would be wonderful if there was a central resource that catalogued, by country, instances of political censorship. Such a tool would be marvelously useful.

Re:Viewpoint from an American in China (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213762)

When has the government censored the political discussion? How in the hell does a government even succeed in censoring political discussion. There are just too many other ways to obtain the information. And no matter how hard the Chinese government tries to censor the information some of information does get around their imposed restrictions.

Re:Americans are worse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212850)

How about that torturing and murdering you Amerinazi's have been doing, how does that compare on your Chinese Evilometer?

Fuck you and everyone related to you, you pig fuck.

Re:Americans are worse (4, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212906)

Aside from just a question of taste, I also think you make those of us opposed to the MPAA's actions look like loons by equating the two

Fraudulent DMCA notices are being used to suppress unpopular speech, so no, you are a loon if you don't see the parallel.

Re:Americans are worse (5, Interesting)

Sierran (155611) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212618)

At least the Chinese do something about it. Unlike Americans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it) while their government [torrentfreak.com] not only censors [torrentfreak.com] their internet connections [torrentfreak.com] , but the whole worlds [torrentfreak.com] .

This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't approve of censoring the internet for any reason. Nor do I approve of the U.S. government's record on IP-related enforcement *or* electronic freedoms. However, I should note that your angry objection is overwhelmingly colored by the fact that all of your links seem to point to a single source - torrentfreak.com - and all seem to involve actions taken during IP related seizures and enforcement. I realize that in your anger, you won't be able to separate me from the IP apologists, but I appeal to your cooler-headed colleagues of the copyleft movement and its ilk. Understand that a clumsy and self-centered attempt at comparison like this - IP enforcement to the Great Firewall - just makes you and your cause (which I mostly agree with) look...um...selfish, self-centered, and not too bright.

Not to put too fine a point on it, it sounds like you're comparing the effects of the Great Firewall on the citizens/netizens of China to the effects on you, somewhere (as you say) other than America, because...you can't download bittorrents.

That demeans the struggle that the Chinese are undertaking.

Suck it up.

Re:Americans are worse (3, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212690)

The torrentfreak crowd have often noted that measures designed to crack down on filesharing also have serious ramifications for privacy and free speech. While their goals may be somewhat selfish, they are also looking out for all internet users, even those who don't pirate.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

gilbert644 (1515625) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213544)

Their goals are completely selfish and if you care about free speech you should fight people who try to convolute anti free speech and copyright to further their agent. This is just another version of "OMG PEDOPHILES/TERRORIST, AGREE WITH US OR YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!" except in this case you must agree that torrenting American TV show and movies should be legal or you are an anti free speech fascist.

Not Copylefties (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212868)

I realize that in your anger, you won't be able to separate me from the IP apologists, but I appeal to your cooler-headed colleagues of the copyleft movement and its ilk.

The so-called "filesharers" are not members of the copyleft movement, which seek to use copyright laws to push their idea of copyright equality. Pretty much like socialists, hopefully of the democratic stripe. The "filesharers" are more like copy libertarians, who don't want any copyright laws or at least want to restrict the copyright regime to industrial grade infringement. They are like the pro-gun lobby who at most want laws restricting the ownership of battle grade weapons like machine guns or rocket-propelled grenades, or the pro-drugs lobby who want the freedom to get stoned or high on low-grade narcotics and stimulants.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212936)

Just because the easy and convenient links were about one topic doesn't mean that the US government hasn't undertaken illegal actions against Wikileaks or other sites that the US government believes should be censored for non-IP reasons.

Re:Americans are worse (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212622)

Let's see. I can visit the piratebay, wikileaks, al jazera, and any other government disliked site I like without worry and without issue. Blocking dissident speech is a lot worse than blocking streaming sports and such.

In other words, your argument is shit.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213792)

most if not all of those websites are outside the usa where they have little jurisdiction outside of bundling them into one of those DOJ/DHS/ICE mass takedowns, and if they blocked piratebay or wikileaks then everyone would catch on comcast even helped piratebay with some routing issues so it's clear that nobody has any intention of touching the major websites regardless of how "bad" they are it's the little voices that get squelched

Re:Americans are worse (0)

khallow (566160) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212658)

At least the Chinese do something about it.

Another useless "America" bashing. I'm starting to think this is just some shell script posting under a bunch of aliases without even a speck of intelligence. And I love the followup:

This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

At least the US does something about it. Unlike the Europeans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it). There's no hypocrisy like European hypocrisy. Except that American hypocrisy is better, of course.

Re:Americans are worse (-1, Troll)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213138)

Pretty much the same Europe that spent years kissing Hitler's ass until his overwhelming appetite finally forced them to take up arms just barely before it was too late. Europe is good at doing nothing and criticizing others who do try to do something about some of the worse abuses in the world. I know I'm gonna get modded troll for this but I'm so sick of the constant bashing of the US by a bunch of elitist kiss asses who when they finally get their dick caught in the wringer want to cry for someone to save them. Sometimes I wish we had let Hitler run wild another year or two so maybe Europe would have gotten the lesson. We could have concentrated on Japan and let Europe and Russia squirm a bit longer.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212688)

Spoken like the Euro-trash you are.

Re:Americans are worse (0, Offtopic)

eyenot (102141) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212696)

Wow
Yeah

Well if sex and ipods are in the offering tell you what: i captured gadafi and i put him on trial; safely isolated fukushima's nuclear pile; put specs on Arnie and a condom in his hand; opened area 51 to Julian Assange; well i didn't stop there i cured AIDS and cancer, too; took out everybody's trash and cleane up all of the zoos; let out all the animals and chopped off their heads; served em with a side of beans to all America's unfed; if you don't think i did those things well get this; i threw myself at it but hell -- i missed!

Alright!
Pussy and ipads, just get ahold me in email

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212958)

Um... how much sex do you need?

Re:Americans are worse (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212714)

Our (U.S.) government and our industry is hypocritical. We should not be importing so much as a grain of rice from China. I say fuck 'em. Their shoddy crap has cost us far more than we own them in dollars. Shut the doors and let them fester in their corrupt, overpopulated communist stench.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213152)

You must be kidding. I'm not sure we actually "could" produce a computer now. That's not to mention all the other things we get from China. Let China alone and the problem will take care of itself. Sooner or later the Chinese people will do something about their government. The biggest threat to any government is it's own people and the biggest threat to any people is it's own government.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212746)

That's cool. I hope you have money in your budget to pay for your own military, because we're pretty tired of paying to augment it.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

pwizard2 (920421) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212756)

This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

As an American, I have to admit that your argument does have some merit, but please don't mistake the actions of the US politicians for the desires of the citizens. Politicians in this country tend to be wealthy, stuck-up, elitist bastards who pretend to listen to the wishes of the people around election time but otherwise follow their own agenda (which is primarily the agenda of the corporate interests who employ lobbyists) while giving away various entitlements and pork to keep their favorite voting blocs happy. For some reason they believe that it is their mandate to run every aspect of our lives and dictate what is best for us. For this they deserve to be punished most severely, but who is going to step up and do it? The corrupt love the current status quo and will do anything to prevent real change.

I feel like this country should have been up in arms about this 20-30 years ago, but the fact is that people here have gone soft and weak. Yes, we have the second amendment, but unless someone strong enough to lead and organize a revolution comes forward, it won't really do us much good to be able to keep and bear arms. Any chaotic revolt that may occur without strategy and planning is doomed. Most of the people I walk past every day are hopelessly materialistic and only care about their immediate lives. They have never had to struggle to obtain freedom, so it means nothing to them. They care more about American Idol than they do about American politics. Can these people be saved? Do they deserve to be saved? I say no.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213390)

but unless someone strong enough to lead and organize a revolution comes forward, it won't really do us much good to be able to keep and bear arms. Any chaotic revolt that may occur without strategy and planning is doomed. Most of the people I walk past every day are hopelessly materialistic and only care about their immediate lives. They have never had to struggle to obtain freedom, so it means nothing to them. They care more about American Idol than they do about American politics. Can these people be saved? Do they deserve to be saved? I say no.

Paging John Connor... Mr. John Connor... please pick up a white courtesy phone... Paging John Connor...

Re:Americans are worse (2, Informative)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212782)

And yet I'm sure you still want to watch our TV programs, movies, listen to our music and install our software.

Look, I'm all against egregious uses of government against innocent people. But Torrent Freaks is 99.9% designed to facilitate piracy. And unless you have a plan for a business model where you can still get $80m projects developed and executed for you then I'm not going to bemoan on principle someone wanting to profit from their efforts. IP while being free to copy isn't free to produce. There are real tangible costs to producing art--often very high costs when you're talking about media. A kickstarter page and $50k isn't going to create an episode of Game of Thrones.

Whether these websites actually hosted material might make a legal distinction but let's be real fucking honest for a moment, when I got KickassTorrents or PirateBay, I'm doing so with the intent to break the law. Now I think the law should punish you like a parking ticket or speeding--both of which I also do--but I don't take some high and mighty bullshit immature whining fest because The Man impeded my freedom to speed. If I was speeding... I was speeding. I'm going to try and avoid cops and do everything my power to avoid getting a ticket but I'm not going to say the US Government Pol Pot for enforcing a principle which I do actually agree with. I agree in principle that the city needs to charge for parking. And I've crossed my fingers before and ran into a store because I didn't want to bother walking back to the meter to feed it.

We'll happily stop censoring the world when the world pays for all of our products that they use.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212862)

Did you really just imply Torrent Freak has anything to do with facilitating piracy? It's a news site moron.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212876)

Yes I did. My brain did string substitution for KickAssTorrents. They use a similar font and styling for their banner.

Ok so TorrentFreak doesn't facilitate piracy. But my point is that 99.9% of torrent search engine traffic is piracy.

Re:Americans are worse (4, Interesting)

Posting=!Working (197779) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212864)

You're right, you don't want American bullshit in Europe.

You apparently want China's bullshit in Europe, since the EU's Law Enforcement Work Party just proposed a version of the great firewall for Europe.

http://techweek.org/71481alarm-over-proposal-of-eu-great-firewall.html [techweek.org]

Re:Americans are worse (3, Insightful)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213028)

Can we stop fighting and agree that most first world countries are losing their rights at citizen level?

By the way, third wold countries worry too much about security, poverty, corruption and more to be able to do think much about freedom of speech yay or nay, they mainly move by inertia.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213144)

No, they're not losing shit.
They're willfully and deliberately giving it away.
Biiiig difference.
(But we still can agree, I think. :)

Meanwhile, in the US, people rise up, because the government created a system so they will NOT be screwed by big pharma and insurance companies. Apparently they, while only being a subset of the population, not only give it away, but demand being screwed even harder.

If that is not high-tech social engineering by opinion makers, I really don't know what is.

Re:Americans are worse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212908)

Eat a dick, you cocksucking surrender monkey.

Re:Americans are worse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212982)

You're comparing shutting down pirating sites (America) vs censoring free speech (China)? Shut up troll, we will bomb Sweden if we want to.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213054)

At least the Chinese do something about it. Unlike Americans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it) while their government [torrentfreak.com] not only censors [torrentfreak.com] their internet connections [torrentfreak.com] , but the whole worlds [torrentfreak.com] .

This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

Wow, you're so right. A guy threw his shoes one of the guys behind the "Great Firewall" and some people online said, "Yay, you." Clearly the Chinese are standing up en masse against tyranny. Remember when someone threw his shoes at Bush a few years back? Check out youtube for the video and the comments. Same damn thing. So what? I highly doubt either event will change anything. Begone troll.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213080)

To be honest, after
- seeing with my own eyes, that the "orange revolution" in the Ukraine was 100% fake (both sides were),
- the W.T.F. operation [lmgtfy.com] ,
- this [zpub.com] ,
- the CIA being undoubtedly a bleeding-edge social engineering and top-notch intelligence agency,
- and the US setting up pro-US governments at will (that I personally checked, by looking at where those government people came from, and what they did previously, plus myself having some inside information),

I am at a point, where I can believe just as well, that this whole thing is a CIA operation. (Which, in this rare case, I would cheer for.)

Luckily, since I don't believe, but only really trust my own senses (and even those can be misleading), all I know, is that a couple of minutes ago, a text appeared on my screen, that when clicked, displayed some other text (what you'd call TFA).
That's all I can really say.
I might assume I trust my computer (biiiig assumption), and say that a packed containing a request of a page from a server called "Slashdot" from a certain IP, was answered with a packet containing that text.
I might even assume that the whole chain of display, computer, all network nodes to the Slashdot server (or whatever is considered ToriginalFA), the server, all network nodes to the submitter, and the submitter are trustworthy (completely batshit insane assumption) and it actually happened like that, and for that reason too.

But in the end, I know it's all bullshit that I can very likely never prove.
So unless I have some actual proof... I don't give a shit.
Why do you?

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213302)

Fine don't use American developed technology, so no Internet, no GPS, no computer mice, no GUI on a computer. Don't buy anything American made or American developed, but don't preach morals, the Swedes happily sold the Nazis whatever they could while Europe burned.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213364)

Then you don't ever use lighting rods. And paper. And rockets.

You know that Chinese had them long before you, don't you?

Re:Americans are worse (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213602)

If you're gonna go that route, do some research on who else was being friendly with the Nazis while officially at war with them... hint: it's a lot closer to home than you'd think! Where do I start, IBM or Prescott Bush (Bush Jr.'s good ole grandpa)? GE or Ford? Mind you this continued well after it had been made illegal to do business with those Nazis the terrible Swedes sold things to.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213480)

It's hard getting enough critical mass to overthrow that bloated mass of a government, and salting the earth such that nothing like it ever grows in its place again.

Re:Americans are worse (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213488)

there will never exist a government, now or in the future, that won't block access to something. for example, child pornography

so you gauge governments not by the fact they block (they all do, and always will, and if you don't understand that, stop commenting on a subject matter you don't want to have a realistic grasp on), but by WHAT they block

so what makes places like china genuinely worse the usa, morally and logically genuinely much worse the usa, is that they block political speech. they reserve the right to harshly punish those who speak things the government does not like. and they frequently do this

compared to this, the intellectual property shenanigans that goes on in the west is evil, but a much smaller, much less worse evil, than what goes on in china, by any moral or logical measure of proportionality you wish to employ

if you do not understand that what china does with censorship on the web is indeed clearly worse than in the west, i openly question your intellectual capacities and your grasp of the concepts you comment on

it's called false equivalency, and it merely announces a deficit in your logical coherence that you don't understand something like censoring political speech is much, much worse than any kind of censorship happening in the west. that really is the truth. understand why it is so much worse, or you are simply announcing your irrelevancy to the subject matter

stop it with the blatantly ignorant false equivalencies please, silly teenagers (at least, for your sake, i hope you are a teenager. then you have a valid excuse for your ignorance. for if you are not chronologically a teenager, you certainly are intellectually a teenager)

Re:Americans are worse (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213650)

I agree that China is much, much worse for exactly those reasons... But while not entirely censored, political speech in the US is still marginalized if contrary to the "acceptable" norm. The government doesn't even need to make much effort either, the population has been raised to do it for them now.

Re:Americans are worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213658)

They may be hypocrites, but why don't you tell us what YOU have done besides write angry posts, you big blubbering vagina?

Unfortunate... (1, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212528)

While I applaud the spirit of the shoe thrower, his target got off far too lightly. Some people really just need to trip and hit their head on a bullet.

Re:Unfortunate... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212646)

The problem is that there's a huge number of Chinese citizens that don't see anything wrong with the various government crack downs. I'm sure that there are also a huge number that are scared to do anything about it, but in a country as large as China, the loyalists are going to have significant numbers as well. You're not going to overthrow a nation like that by shooting civil servants.

Re:Unfortunate... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212860)

I would classify assassinating civil servants(particularly high-level architect/leadership guys) who work on evil projects as similar to punishing criminals: you don't do it because you have any realistic expectation that bagging a suit or jailing some perp is going to overthrow the government or put an end to crime, you do it just because they deserve it.

Re:Unfortunate... (2)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212976)

Well said armchair general.

Re:Unfortunate... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213060)

Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

Re:Unfortunate... (1, Interesting)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213030)

See the US at various times. We've put Japanese in concentration camps (though they don't like to call them that any more after the implications from the German camps). We've shot non-violent protesters on numerous occasions going back over a hundred years. The Chinese, like the US, generally believe in their country. And, as happens in the US, that results in seeing what their government and society is doing through rose colored glasses. The main reason the US is the supreme world power isn't that there's anything inherently better about us. It's just that the major world powers fought two wars in about 20 years on the home soil of those major world powers, with only the US spared any damage to infrastructure or industry. But it's been long enough that the US has lost the "lead" it had and that people have believed that it's something we are inherently that gives us the advantage, and not the fact that Germany, England, Japan, etc. were bombed and bled for two wars in rapid secession, giving the upstart Americans a lead in industrialization (and a firm boost out of the Great Depression).

Re:Unfortunate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213130)

Wow... An insightful and realist comment from an American on their position in the world. Hard to believe. May I put you under a globe? You seem a unique specimen.

Re:Unfortunate... (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213264)

I wish people would stop unfairly singling the Japanese-Americans out, they weren't the only American citizens to be treated like that. List of concentration and internment camps: Japanese-, German- and Italian-Americans [wikipedia.org]

To date, neither the German-American community nor the Italian-American community has received so much as an apology. And none as far as I know have been offered any sort of reparations for property illegally seized.

Re:Unfortunate... (2)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213376)

A concentration camp is one thing, a prisoner of war camp is technically a concentration camp, and don't single out the Japanese Americans, we put Alaska Natives, Germans and Italians in concentration camps during the Second World War, as did the Canadians.

The Nazis had Hostage camps (or death camps), Labor camps, POW camps, Camps for rehabilitation and re-education of Poles, Transit and collection camps and Extermination camps.

I had a German relative in Fort Lincoln North Dakota for a year and eight months in WW2 and four Polish relatives die at Majdanek (a Labor camp). Theres a big difference between what the US did and what the Germans did.

Re:Unfortunate... (2)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212716)

Justified or not, that is useless. There is no individual, or even number of individuals, whose death would help foster Chinese democracy.

Re:Unfortunate... (2)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212844)

Ah yes; assassination: the tried and true method for conflict resolution. What could possibly go wrong?

Re:Unfortunate... (1)

networkzombie (921324) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212902)

Yes, it is very unfortunate that anyone would advocate violence for any reason at all. It is even more unfortunate that someone agreed enough to mod you up.

Re:Unfortunate... (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212984)

It's a bit early to tell, but which revolution would you prefer to be a part of: Egypt or Libya?

You know the 4 boxes: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Use them in that order. Well, even though China makes it hard to use the Soap Box, they're doing this in the right order. I applaud the bravery of the shoe-thrower. I don't think much of trigger-happy people who are probably sitting comfortably in some country that doesn't have as big a problem.

Amusing... (4, Interesting)

__Paul__ (1570) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212534)

...why not do the same to the people who have been restricting all their other freedoms, too?

Re:Amusing... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212750)

Why do people in the U.S. do even less to the people restricting their freedoms?

Re:Amusing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212830)

I live in China right now so I can tell you, from what i observe here, that Chinese people in general do not really feel the oppression in their daily lives, until they actually get online and notice some sites are blocked etc. I am therefore not surprised about the fact they are more upset about the internet than anything else. Most people dont actually even KNOW what's going on, the censorship in all medias working so well...

He got married? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212552)

Show us a picture of the bride.

that guy better get out of china or face death (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212562)

that guy better get out of china or face death.

He seems to be doing fine so far (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212628)

He seems to be doing fine so far

By the way, the subject line should not be the exact same thing as the comment. Maybe elaborate a little in the comment, and or trim down the subject line.

Massively Ironic (5, Funny)

sackvillian (1476885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212566)

Apparently the official, Fang Binxing, and the police chastised the university administration for not preventing the 'attack' despite it being announced beforehand on Twitter.

The administrator's defense: The university could not access twitter from behind the firewall!

Baning VPN will be bad for business and may cut (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212588)

Baning VPN will be bad for business and may cut people doing business there and logging in to there home office back in the USA.

Nothing to see here, move along. (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212590)

We have your best interests at heart, since you are unable to think for or defend yourselves. We love you and are protecting you... from yourself. And those that might would want to do you harm, like yourself.

It isn't about us, it's about you. Without you, we'd be nothing, and then what would we do? So we just make it impossible as much as we can to have a free, err we mean wrong thought.

Hindsight 20/20 (1)

Lanteran (1883836) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212596)

should have thrown knives...

Solidarity begins at home. (1)

porky_pig_jr (129948) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212648)

All big governments (no exception) are always tempted to "protect the citizens against the bad influences", one way or another. How we're doing on the home front? Not so good, I guess.

Airplane lessons begins at home. (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212818)

When was the last time anyone flew an airplane into an American skyscraper?

Re:Airplane lessons begins at home. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213170)

During the last republicans reign?

Re:Airplane lessons begins at home. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213270)

Prior to 9/11 when was the last time anybody tried? And for that matter, what other time has anybody tried that?

Go China! (1)

pasv (755179) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212650)

This is great. I have no problem with the citizens of China (I actually have a particular fondness for Eastern philosophy and the martial arts like wushu) but I have MANY issues with their government. Any aggression they can show against their suppressors is a good thing in my book, violent or otherwise. Sometimes peaceful protest just _doesn't work_. Gandhi would've "dissappeared" in modern China. Be pissed China! Go overthrow your government one shoe at a time until they can't possibly cover the information/press from the revolt! Only when the idea of liberty spreads that it can manifest into a powerful force against its enemies.

Western Press Rarely Accurate on This (4, Interesting)

retroworks (652802) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212742)

The Guardian and others are in a tough spot, as print journals have less and less income and are trying to cover bigger and bigger stories (like... China). While the event posted here may or may not have happened, a blogger I read regularly, Adam Minter (www.shanghaiscrap.com) has made mincemeat of almost every such story I've read in the western media during the past two years (latest case, that China censored Bob Dylan's concert there - apparently not, but the story was reprinted extensively). I've travelled a lot in China, often with officials, and would say that most Chinese government officials are as far from the source of censorship itch as we are here on /. I don't know if the answer is for the West to stop reporting on "twitter posts" by people who claim to have "thrown shoes" at "firewalls", and I personally know the Chinese government "command and control" is awful and stupid and a painful thing to watch... Still, having read dozens of these stories, I think we need to expose that (a) the Western Press often does not know what it is talking about and (b) is just as often making it up as it goes along.

Re:Western Press Rarely Accurate on This (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213230)

I live in Suzhou, China (30 minutes west of Shanghai by train). I first heard about this story by a Chinese friend who read it on a Chinese blog... his details of the happenings are spot on with this story. I can't say either way because I can't read Chinese.

I think you are right about the Western Press, but I believe this story to be legit.

One question needs to be answered... (1)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212748)

Were they nikes, or more like steel-toe workboots?

Honestly, Who Throws a Shoe?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212770)

Austin Powers, anyone? - www.awkwardengineer.com [awkwardengineer.com]

Great Porn Wall of China. (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212798)

Meanwhile admirers of the shoe attacker showered the anonymous young man with promises of everything from Nike trainers to replace his lost footwear, to iPads, sex and jobs."

So all one has to do to get free sex in China is build a Great Firewall?

/. Trolling Great Firewall? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212842)

Since when did /. start putting pictures instead of icons for the article pic? And girls on top of that. I smell Chinese firewall trolling.

Jobs? (1)

Christian Marks (1932350) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212854)

Meanwhile admirers of the shoe attacker showered the anonymous young man with promises of everything from Nike trainers to replace his lost footwear, to iPads, sex and jobs.

I can understand an iPad, but what is he going to do with Steve Jobs?

proof (1)

thesh0ck (1983948) | more than 3 years ago | (#36212928)

pic/video or it didnt happen.

RIAA/MPAA Execs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36212978)

Wonder when the eggs and shoes will start flying in the US when RIAA and/or MPAA execs show up at events...

Missing something here... (1)

jshackney (99735) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213182)

Seems like most of you are missing a crucial point here. Or, possibly, I'm far too paranoid. FTFA:

Chinese police are seeking a man who said he threw eggs and shoes at the architect of China's "great firewall", the world's most sophisticated and extensive online censorship system.

and, FTFS:

Meanwhile admirers of the shoe attacker showered the anonymous young man with promises of everything from Nike trainers to replace his lost footwear, to iPads, sex and jobs.

Admirers, eh? I'd say that if I wanted to find someone, I'd find his price and start pursuing him. Just a thought, but I'd probably offer him a job. Maybe he needs one. Or, if that's not enticing enough, how about some sexual service[s] (to be provided by someone other than me, of course). Go down the list until you find his price. Then, when there's no possibility of escape, make him disappear. Just sayin'.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36213184)

The office of Fang Binxing, known as the father of the great firewall, denied the attack had happened

At least they're consistent.

Who throws a shoe, honestly? (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213200)

I mean, in addition to Random Task and Muntadhar al-Zaiydi [abcnews.com] , now we have this guy launching shoes and eggs.

Wow Sex and Jobs? (1)

SluttyButt (264722) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213440)

Now will you excuse me while I hone my egg-throwing skill.

Hmm, I wonder... (1)

LongearedBat (1665481) | more than 3 years ago | (#36213502)

A bit off topic... but say you needed a good software/networking architect and Fang Binxing came for an interview, would you consider as a good candidate or a bad candidate? On the one hand he's designed the Great Firewall, but on the other hand... he's designed the Great Firewall.
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