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PLA Develops First Person Shooter With US Troops as Targets

Roblimo posted more than 3 years ago | from the like-america's-army-in-reverse dept.

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An anonymous reader tipped us to a People's Daily story about the (Chinese) People's Liberation Army's new shoot-em-up game with US soldiers as targets, and that story led us to a more complete description of the Glorious Revolution game at the Daily Mail, which includes a nice video (in Chinese, of course) toward the bottom of the article that shows how the game looks in action.

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395 comments

pants post! (0)

slashpot (11017) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218244)

I have first posts in my pants.

We are their enemy (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218270)

and best customer all at once.

Re:We are their enemy (4, Funny)

cplusplus (782679) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218912)

I guess that makes the US and China "frienemies".

BUT DO MUSLIMS IN ME HAVE PCS ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218278)

I don't think so. What would it be powered by, camel dung ??

Re:BUT DO MUSLIMS IN ME HAVE PCS ?? (0)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218300)

Perhaps the vast reserves of crude oil that happen, inconveniently, to lie beneath their land?

Re:BUT DO MUSLIMS IN ME HAVE PCS ?? (1, Interesting)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218340)

Most likely not. And why do you have Muslims in you?

Re:BUT DO MUSLIMS IN ME HAVE PCS ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218648)

Most likely not. And why do you have Muslims in you?

because they're dune coons who outbreed the local population. political correctness makes the locals so stupid they welcome their own displacement with open arms. next question?

Re:BUT DO MUSLIMS IN ME HAVE PCS ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218346)

PLA not PLO you dunbfuck capitalist swine.

Not surprising (5, Insightful)

jonescb (1888008) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218310)

There are games where China is the enemy. Why is it suddenly a bad thing when the US are the bad guys?

Re:Not surprising (5, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218344)

Because the US is always the good guys. It can't be the other way around.

Re:Not surprising (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218416)

There are games where China is the enemy. Why is it suddenly a bad thing when the US are the bad guys?

Citation needed for games where the Chinese army is the bad guy and the game is made by a world government.

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218652)

Battlefield 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_2

Re:Not surprising (2)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218710)

Battlefield 2 was created by DICE and distributed by EA, not the U.S. government.

Re:Not surprising (1, Insightful)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218712)

Huh? Which country's government is EA Games?

Re:Not surprising (1)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218760)

I don't think that game was made by a World Government.

Re:Not surprising (2, Funny)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218418)

Because now Bin Laden is dead, and Al Qaeda has been rather unscary for a few years now, China is the new bogey man with which the US government prefers to beat it's citizens into submitting further to their control and scrutiny with.

That's why.

Re:Not surprising (0)

jank1887 (815982) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218762)

we have always been at war with eurasia

Re:Not surprising (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218774)

Doubt it. China actually could shitcan the US economy in 24 hours, either using currency manipulation, calling in the debt, or even military means (getting their puppet Kim to shell Seoul, overrun Taiwan, etc.)

Because companies know that, there is a reason why you don't see PLA posts as the target for FPS games.

Re:Not surprising (5, Insightful)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218834)

and we could shitcan the Chinese economy in 24 secs announcing our intent to default on that debt, and stopping the purchase of their exports.

Re:Not surprising (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218860)

Any attempt to seriously harm the US through economic methods would also hurt themselves.

Re:Not surprising (3, Insightful)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218424)

Because those games are not created by the US government or US Army, nor are they used as training tools for actual soldiers.

Re:Not surprising (1)

Uhhhh oh ya! (1000660) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218568)

It makes even more sense for it to be used by military. At least you could sort of make the argument that civilians playing these game could create hostilities or prejudices between people from these countries but soldiers have to be trained in the chance that we ever go to war with this country. It does not matter if its an enemy or an ally our soldiers have to have some plan and some amount of training for if we ever met them on opposite side of the battlefield.

Re:Not surprising (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218656)

yes they are *ahem*
http://www.bisimulations.com/ [bisimulations.com]

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218750)

<Sarcasm mode>I'm sure the US army does not have a simulation or a special variant of 'America's Army' that depicts Russian weapons or Chinese weapons in realistic combat situations... sure...</Sarcasm mode>

Re:Not surprising (1)

berashith (222128) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218452)

or go back to Command and Conquer : Generals... the choice is USA, China , or a random terrorist group . Choose your team and go kill... it is a game , no real people die , and the colors are just skill trees. Who cares...

Re:Not surprising (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218482)

Show me a FPS where the Red Guard is a target.

The only recent game where I know of where Chinese soldiers were the target of violence was Command & Conquer: Generals, and the Zero Hour expansion.

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218844)

A not so recent example might be Project IGI 2 - but it's worth noting that the chinese depicted in that game were depicted as a breakaway group under a rogue general and *not* part of the PLA.

Re:Not surprising (5, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218596)

So did the game developed by the US Army feature chinese and russian enemies?
Of the article is accurate, this game wasn't developed by some third party but was developed by the PLA.

Seems a bit revealing to me.

And folks tell me I'm wrong when I say there will be a significant war with china in the next 50 years. But this is how things start. The chinese have a fairly enormous racial superiority complex laid over a deep inferiority complex due to the 1800's and early 1900's. That kind of thing can boil over in a bad way.

The best thing to happen will be to get them away from the racially pure meme they are nursing. That kind of belief has lead to bad things very reliably over the last several hundred years.

Re:Not surprising (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218672)

There won't be a major war, the Chinese will just require all loans repaid, that will end the US as we know it.

Re:Not surprising (3, Insightful)

SwordsmanLuke (1083699) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218718)

...And you don't think *that* would lead to a major war?

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218914)

Exactly, the best excuse to refuse to honor treasuries while saving face is warfare and the Chinese know it. That's why they are investing in supersonic cruise missiles, generation 5 fighters, submarines, uavs, and anti-satelite warfare.

If push comes to shove, they will need to neutralize our GPS, artillery, & air superiority. This is also why the US is working on SCRAM-jets & rail guns. You can bet we've spent most of the past 10 years surveying the ocean floor in the region so we can cut the fiber backbone & have an advantage with sonar.

There will be nuclear subs parked off the coasts of both countries ready to launch a nuclear bombardment if the other side flinches. Glad I don't live in DC.

Re:Not surprising (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218930)

That was my reaction too, at first, but they'd probably enforce economic sanctions - no more cheap Chinese-made crap exported to the US - before they went to outright war... and then I decided it probably WOULD be the end of the US as we knew it.

Re:Not surprising (3, Informative)

tgd (2822) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218936)

...And you don't think *that* would lead to a major war?

Not when we need to borrow money to pay for it.

Re:Not surprising (3, Insightful)

yurtinus (1590157) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218744)

We simply can't repay all the debt we owe at one sitting - that is as big of a problem for China as it is for us. Demanding all of our loans be repaid would wreak havoc in both economies.

Re:Not surprising (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218794)

Can they make us pay it all in one sitting if they wanted to? Bonds can't be redeemed until the maturity date, can they? Kind of like a bank can't make you pay off your mortgage all at once. The agreed terms have defined pay back times.

Re:Not surprising (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218934)

Either way, probably wouldnt matter. I believe we would default and use the savings to go to war.

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218888)

It can't be demanded all at once. They can only cash in bonds as the bonds mature. It would be more damaging to dump the bonds on the market.

Re:Not surprising (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218866)

A) China can't require the debt be paid whenever they want. It has a time limit and a repayment schedule, much like a mortgage. Your bank can't require you to pay your mortgage back immediately either.
B) The US can easily pay the debt off, because the debt is denominated in dollars. We can print as many as we want. The resulting inflation will suck for people who saved money, and for those (like China) who loaned us money when it was worth more, but it won't be the end of the US as we know it.

Mexicans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218816)

Don't worry, we'll be fine.
The Mexicans would never let this happen to us...

Re:Not surprising (1)

AndyAndyAndyAndy (967043) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218856)

This is some very non-insightful fud from a standpoint that does not acknowledge, let alone understand, the workings of modern international relations.

China and the U.S. are not nearly as rivalrous as you seem to insist. However, that sort of belief does make for some good domestic politics and policymaking on both sides, what with the faux nationalism that can be invoked pretty much anytime.

Re:Not surprising (2)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218920)

I disagree. I think the US will do anything to avoid all-out war with China. They can easily grow their army to tens of millions of soldiers and change their factories to building war machines.

Re:Not surprising (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218602)

I'm not seeing where anyone said it was a bad thing. Of course I haven't read all the following posts yet so there may be someone down below who says that.

[John]

Battlefield 2: china, vs US, vs "arabs" (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218796)

I'm not surprised either. EA's Battlefield 2 featured soldiers who were very obviously Chinese and generic "arab".

Lots of other games (2, Informative)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218314)

have done this. You can shoot US soldiers in Battlefield if you play the other team. In fact, I prefer playing the MEC in BF2 because the sniper weapon is just better. Not sure why this is news, other than getting censorship blowhards and right-wing nuts agitated. I'm sure we'll see this on Fox News tonight wrapped in a typical "Are liberals to blame" bullshit.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218316)

So?

Are americans unable to accept that not everyone sees them as the good guys all the time?

Re:So what? (2, Interesting)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218542)

You should rephrase: are Americans scared to face the reality, which is most people on earth think they are the evil? Look in the last 60 years, and see who's fought the most wars, corrupted so many regimes, and the entire world economy, and you have the big picture. When I was a kid, the USA imperialism was even one of the topic I had to discuss to graduate from high school.
DISCLAIMER: I make a distinction between governments and populations.

Not convinced... (5, Insightful)

vlpronj (1345627) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218318)

Where are the screenshots of US soldiers as the enemy? I.E., American flag on uniform, American flag or markings on the Apaches? Apaches are heavily exported, the "enemy" could be one of many nations the US has sold them to.

Re:Not convinced... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218432)

Nowhere in that video did I hear anything about the US being the enemies. Actually it sounds like this is a PLA developed game for PLA soldiers (for training... or however military forces justify making video games these days).

I would assume that the enemies are 'OPFOR'. There is a scene with an Apache(?) going down, but frankly that could be an allied aircraft; what are the chances you will ever hear that spin in the west.

Re:Not convinced... (1)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218752)

Also, are any of the enemies Chinese-American soldiers? America does have ethinic Chinese in her military, and I hope the PLA is aware of this.

Is it Really US Troops? (4, Informative)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218320)

I can't quite listen to the Chinese audio since I'm at work, but based on the video alone, is it really against American troops? I only saw very generic urban warfare tactics in a very generic Chinese city and a very generic set of bunkers and pillboxes. The only "indication" that it was against American troops was a very fuzzy helicopter that might be an Apache or might be something else entirely.

In any case, so what? We in the US has been playing games where the Chinese Army was the antagonist for ages. Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising and Battlefield 2 are two that I can name off the top of my head.

Re:Is it Really US Troops? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218488)

Yes, but those games are made by private companies and not the US Govt... This seems to be made by the Chinese Govt.

Re:Is it Really US Troops? (4, Interesting)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218534)

Not to mention actual wargames. 11th Armored Cavalry (to name one, can't remember the others) is actually dedicated to acting as a training enemy during training/wargames. Up until '05 or so, it was a replica Soviet unit, with tanks modified to look like T-80s and transports modified to look like BMPs. Right now, they're a mock-insurgent unit, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the heavy gear is being modified to mimic Chinese gear (shouldn't be hard - most PLA infantry gear is derived from Soviet gear).

Re:Is it Really US Troops? (2)

Sepultura (150245) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218662)

I personally don't like violent video games or other violent entertainment for myself. But I don't assume that those who do, especially when we're dealing with pretend like in video games, are necessarily going to be violent or "evil" persons themselves.

However, someone who takes issue with the fact that it was a person of their nationality that was targeted does scare me as it reveals to me that they (1) don't understand that it's not real and (2) they don't have an issue with one of them being killed.

Must be on a LAN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218326)

We could have a head-to-head be that darn firewire..where's my shoes.

Platforms? (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218330)

When will it be available for the XBox?

Re:Platforms? (2)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218554)

Well, since that game console is banned in China (as is the PS3, although since Nintendo partnered with a Chinese company to distribute there, the Wii isn't), I would venture to say "no".

Fair enough (1)

papabob (1211684) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218348)

Every "great" nation has to have its own enemy. For years in USA had the URSS (and viceversa), then URSS dissapeared and three years later it was Irak, then dissapeared. Later was taliban, Irak again, and the difuse Al-Qaeda. Just like every fascist against every comunist. It's a must to prevent people to think too much in what the goberment is doing.

Re:Fair enough (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218396)

Pretty sure you meant USSR and Iraq. Oh and government.

Re:Fair enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218654)

no, he's just using alternate spellings because they're ~hip~

And your great enemy is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218686)

Every "great" nation has to have its own enemy. For years in USA had the URSS (and viceversa), then URSS dissapeared and three years later it was Irak, then dissapeared. Later was taliban, Irak again, and the difuse Al-Qaeda. Just like every fascist against every comunist. It's a must to prevent people to think too much in what the goberment is doing.

I take it you are engaged in a war on spelling?

Re:Fair enough (5, Funny)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218742)

>For years in USA had the URSS (and viceversa), then URSS dissapeared and three years later it was Irak,

Ah yes, the United Republic of Soviet States. They were truly an incredible enemy. Remember when they launched a theremin guided tesla space coil at Atlanta and it turned everyone into an ape for 10 days? Or when they landed on Mars only to find an ancient race of rock-based life who beat them back with mud weapons? Or when Kennedy and Khruschev fought each other telepathically on national television to win control over the the Fidel Castro android that was running Cuba?

Oh man, don't get me started on Irak. Lord Irak himself killed my grandfather in a electric sword duel. Those were the days...

Will this be available on Steam? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218358)

It's just a game people - time to teach the imperial dogs a lesson! ;)

That is how the Chinese view us. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218600)

It's just a game people - time to teach the imperial dogs a lesson! ;)

Yes, the Chinese people do believe that we're imperialists - and I can't really blame them. We do, after all, have military bases all over the World, two wars and military support in the Middle East, control of NATO, and pretty much a military that rivals several countries put together.

Re:Will this be available on Steam? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218630)

I always enjoyed playing as Chinese in BF2. "Midnight Sun" map, usually, invading Alaska. Very interesting experience.

Part of it actually made me think. The visuals for the different locations are so wildly different (the good China maps actually feel like China, the good American maps feel like America, the good MEC maps feel like the Middle East). I can't shake the feeling that I'm in a new world, of sorts. Add in (talking an actual invasion now) the interaction with civilians, the learning about the new place, and I suspect that any Chinese army that invaded the US would return home and bring a lot of American ideas with them. Hell, that might even be how the revolution starts. So even if big bad evil China wins, they won't stay big bad and evil for long.

It's a somewhat reassuring thought.

Finally something different (2)

Hultis (1969080) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218370)

The enemies in FPS games are always whoever the US doesn't like at a given time (this includes most titles produced outside of the US as well), be they russians, germans, vaguely-middle-eastern-something, vietnamese, chinese, the list goes on. Now we finally get a game where the roles are changed. I can see why some Americans are upset, but frankly it's about time.

Re:Finally something different (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218514)

Well "Homefront" is censored (Japan) or banned (Koreas, China) and it's pretty graphic. It's a fun play, but not something with much replay value.

I imagine that if they released this game on the internet, or pirated it out (pretty much a given, considering how lax China's copyright laws are) that US,CA, EU and AU players would get a kick out of it and not think anything of it any more than any other FPS where the lead is an American or European.

I trust that most gamers can tell fiction and propaganda much easier apart than the average tv couch potato since they're in control of it.

And so what if it's developed by the chinese army... that makes it more interesting just like anything developed by the american army.

Re:Finally something different (1)

leonardluen (211265) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218634)

And if you are playing the russians, germans, etc in those games, the US is the bad guy for half the people playing as well.

Re:Finally something different (1)

Hultis (1969080) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218910)

Often the opponent (in multiplayer) yes, but rarely portrayed negatively. Considering how many countries should hate USA it's a little bit odd. However, I should have used "usually" rather than "always".

Re:Finally something different (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218668)

Besides the FPS games where, for instance, the enemies include American soldiers (Half-Life 1), genocidal aliens (Half-Life 2), zombies/infected humans (Left 4 Dead series), demonic creatures (Doom series), robots (Descent series), or an ostensibly multi-national group of people including other Americans (Team Fortress 2), you mean?

NOTE: Please don't drop any "but they're METAPHORICAL representations of the US's enemies" bullshit on me, as anybody can abstract anything to whatever metaphor they want to serve their own arguments.

Great game but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218378)

It's a great game but I keep getting stuck on the level where you kill capitalist American president

Impressive (1)

JB19000 (1389999) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218386)

I'm impressed. Graphics look good. Movement is smooth. This doesn't look like it was developed by a first time game studio.

i always complain about false equivalency (1, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218388)

i always complain about false equivalency morons posting on slashdot and elsewhere. you know, the morons who say "but the u.s.a..." whenever the issue of chinese internet censorship or human rights violations comes up. even though chinese internet censorship and human rights violations are genuinely orders of magnitude worse than in the west. not that the false equivalency morons can see that. whether out of intellectual dishonesty or genuine stupidity, who knows

but this is entertainment, not government policy

as such, it is innocuous and without consequence. frankly: who fucking cares if the chinese shoot westerners in their video games. no, really, who fucking cares?

why is this fact important or even surprising to you? the west makes plenty of games and movies with the red chinese as fair game for military adventurism. therefore, it is entirely fair for the red chinese to make video games and movies with westerners as fair game for military adventurism. no big fucking deal. a big yawn

in other words, true equivalency

don't be hypocritical, westerners, by expecting those you demonize not to demonize you in turn. turnaround is fair play

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (4, Insightful)

DBNickel (2036716) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218472)

I think the controversial point is "Glorious Revolution, which is used as a training tool for People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers" + "US Soldiers"

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218886)

Why is that controversial? Shouldn't it be entirely expected? I'm more surprised that the US army doesn't* have training sims that include a Chinese adversary.

*Do they? I know they have terrorist simulators, they ought to have commie simulators too. Same for central american drug lords, middle eastern oil barons, and anyone else the US is likely to go up against.

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218494)

but this is entertainment, not government policy

Actually, since it's being used as a training tool for the army, this does count as government policy. On the other hand, I have to admit that I have a hard time getting offended, since it looks more like Call of Duty than a useful training tool. If China really wants to equate mouse accuracy with martial readiness, who am I to persuade them otherwise?

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218524)

i always complain about false equivalency morons posting on slashdot and elsewhere. you know, the morons who say "but the u.s.a..." whenever the issue of chinese internet censorship or human rights violations comes up. even though chinese internet censorship and human rights violations are genuinely orders of magnitude worse than in the west. not that the false equivalency morons can see that. whether out of intellectual dishonesty or genuine stupidity, who knows.

Funny thing that, by conflating genuine criticism of US actions with false equivalency you join the ranks of those false equivalency morons. And all the times I've seen you do it, it sure looked like wilful intellectual dishonesty on your part. Far easier for your id to paint those you disagree with as "unable to see" than to consider that the arguments are more nuanced than you'd like.

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218830)

"conflating genuine criticism of US actions with false equivalency"

it is entirely fair to criticize the usa, the usa does plenty wrong in this world, and i welcome all criticism of the usa

fuck the usa. let me say it again: fuck the usa. two things:

1. i am free to criticize the usa, within the usa, which is an ironic meta-commentary in itself (you can't criticize chinese political decisions in china, do you understand that and why that is so much worse than RIAA and MPAA shenanigans?)

2. i am motivated by PRINCIPLES, not tirbalism here. on the gauge of PRINCIPLES, not tribal chest thumping like hooligans at a soccer match ("go usa!" "go china!"), china is far worse

if you lose sense of proportion on the principles you comment on, in other words, when you excuse or rationalize genuinely far worse crimes by other countries in your effort to criticize the usa, then you are more about tribal chest thumping than you are being motivated by principles

example #1: conflating throwing someone in prison for 10 years just because they advocated for democracy, versus waterboarding a confirmed terrorist asshole.

1. i don't agree with waterboarding. it's ineffective: torture doesn't help you get real intelligence.
2. its morally repugnant. if we are supposed to be fighting for higher moral purposes, lets demonstrate those higher moral purposes and not torture people
3. finally, by waterboarding al qaeda assholes, all you do is give al qaeda wonderful recruitment talking points, and create more terrorist assholes

so obviously, the west shouldn't be waterboarding anyone. however, having said all that, guess what?: waterboarding a terrorist asshole just isn't even remotely like a guy doing 10 years hard labor, just because he advocated for democracy. do you see the proportionality here? to me, with a logical and moral understanding of proportionality in condemning criminal behavior by world governments, jailing your own citizens just asking for their rights that most of us in the west take for granted, is nothing REMOTELY like waterboarding a guy who's life duty is blowing up civilians. do you feel me?

example #2: china frequently suppresses political free speech. criticize the government, and you will be censored. i can sit here, and, as long as i don't threaten his life, i can criticize obama and the democratic party and their policies until my face is blue, for months on end. no one is going to knock on my door. but in china? your political opinion will be censored. continue to criticize the ruling party, and you will be harassed and eventually arrested. do you see a slight issue of proptionality in censorship here yet?

and the crime in the west? well in the west, corporations run roughshop over people who share media, claiming intellectual property. i hate this, and i actually think the very idea of intellectual property is invalid. i think that what these corporations are doing is pure evil. but having said all that, i still clearly recognize that going after your own citizens just for engaging in political speech is far, far worse than intellectual property shenanigans

proportionality in framing equivalencies. feel me yet? i'm not about blindly defending the usa and blindly attacking china. i'm not nationalistic soccer hooligan. i am saying go ahead and criticize the usa. but i am saying, in your rush to do so, don't forget how much FAR FAR WORSE things are going on elsewhere in the world, and please don't belittle those far far worse things or claim them as just as bad as what the usa does. it's simply not!

it's not about the west is better than china or china is better than the west, rah rah rah, tirbal chest thumping. no, its about principles. on the basis of PRINCIPLES, not tribalism, china violates human rights and freedoms to a much greater degree than the usa

simple fact, that if you don't understand or agree to, i really have to wonder at your mental faculties or motivations

The stories we tell determine the mindset (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218584)

If you cannot make a connection between the Hollywood films of military daring do and the recruitment process to the US army you are not looking hard enough. All those shoot em up games with the US army as heroes and the Russians/Chinese/Muslims as the enemy framed the thoughts and aspirations of western male attitudes and prepared them for war.

You ought to be worried that the Chinese are now playing the same game except with the Americans as the enemy. There are five times as many Chinese as there are US Americans.

At the moment, while the US still has a considerable lead in technology it seems unthinkable that China could force you from the map but in a few years time things will have changed. Their navy will be larger and better equipped than yours and so will their army. They will also be prepared to use their military because the soldiers of tomorrow will have been playing the military games of today. They will know who their enemy is and what to do about it.

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218642)

ya, your right - time for the US to update "America's Army"

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (2)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218756)

Slight disputes here (I generally agree with you, this is all technicalities):

"Glorious Revolution" (as it's been translated here, I've also seen "Revolution of Glory", "Battle of Glory", "Glorious War", etc.) is produced by the People's Liberation Army. It is, in effect, a government product, and cannot be directly compared to American entertainment-only products.

However, we can compare it to America's Army, the game produced by the US Army. Current version (AA3) does not have a foreign force - it is all American-vs-American combat. The story is that it's a training excercise. Rather boring. If I remember correctly, though, the last major version (AA2) was US vs vaguely-middle-eastern-insurgents. Still no actual story, though, so it could be anywhere from Morocco to Pakistan.

However, the point was made elsewhere that it might not be explicitly America in Glorious Revolution. American equipment, yes, maybe even American styling, but it doesn't seem to be American flags and American symbols. So it could be compared to how, in the 70s-90s, the stereotypical villain country was always vaguely Russian, but usually fictitious (look at, say, the GI Joe cartoon, how COBRA sounded/acted rather Eastern-Europe without (IIRC) actually being such).

Just my $0.02.

Except Destro (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218898)

was actually Scottish, and Cobra Commander, well, turns out he was an evil snake man from the land that time forgot.

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218758)

i always complain about false equivalency morons posting on slashdot and elsewhere. you know, the morons who say "but the u.s.a..." whenever the issue of chinese internet censorship or human rights violations comes up. even though chinese internet censorship and human rights violations are genuinely orders of magnitude worse than in the west. not that the false equivalency morons can see that. whether out of intellectual dishonesty or genuine stupidity, who knows.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here - are you suggesting that human rights violations in the West are beyond comparison with what happens in China? I can think of several specific incidents ( Gitmo, Iraq , Panama, Vietnam, Pakistan ) of Western powers shitting all over the human rights when it suits them to do so.

In fact, I would say that even suggesting that it is a false equivalency just shows your ignorance of history.

Re:i always complain about false equivalency (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218902)

"I don't really understand what you're trying to say here - are you suggesting that human rights violations in the West are beyond comparison with what happens in China?"

yes, that is exactly what i am saying

"I can think of several specific incidents ( Gitmo, Iraq , Panama, Vietnam, Pakistan ) of Western powers shitting all over the human rights when it suits them to do so."

yes, the usa did these things, and they are evil, and the usa deserves to be criticized for that. and i am also saying that what china does is far, far worse. based not on empty tribal chest thumping nationalism, but based on a sound understanding of the actual principles in play here

"In fact, I would say that even suggesting that it is a false equivalency just shows your ignorance of history."

no, i think a good grasp of history would put a proper amount of proportionality between waterboarding terrorist assholes whose duty in life is blowing up civilians, and jailing your own citizens for 10 years hard labor just because they had the audacity to ask for the same dignity and human rights afforded in western countries

waterboarding terrorists: wrong and evil. 10 years hard labor for asking for democracy: much, much more evil

Not to be anal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218412)

But a shoot 'em up [wikipedia.org] (shmup) is not a first person shooter (fps). Shoot 'em ups are vertical or side-scrolling games (such as Raiden), and often involve piloting an aircraft.

Re:Not to be anal (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218500)

A shoot'em up can be any high action entertainment with lots of shooting. They were calling movies 'shoot em ups' long before shmup video games (which i believe would be the right term.) A schmup can only be a video game but a shoot em up can be any type of video entertainment that shoots alot. In this case the wikipedia article is a bit narrow.

So what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218422)

It to be honest this is well overdue. The USA people are stupid if they think it is OK to have games shooting other nations army or terrorist groups but not those from the US. This whole US controls and censors the world concept that Americans have is pathetic. Now let me drop nukes on Washington DC and anywhere else I like.

Re:So what (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218510)

I'm from the U.S. and I think it's fine when we do it. I also think it's fine when they do it.

In other words, who gives a shit?

Ohhh no the Chinese can beat us in CoD! (1)

Uhhhh oh ya! (1000660) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218448)

If China wants their soldiers to be better at video games who are we to stop them. Now our soldiers will take them on with actual battlefield training and us here on /. will beat them on the video game front.

On a serious note, I seem to remember not to long ago when I was playing call of duty and it had me mowing down a bunch of civilians. I don't think we should be should be wagging the finger at China.

Clone Army! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218456)

Everyone in the video, sitting in uniform at the internet cafe makes me think of Attack of the Clones. - www.awkwardengineer.com [awkwardengineer.com]

Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 3 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218468)

I'm pretty sure that since Battlefield 1942, if I didn't get on the US team, my targets were US troops...

How the fuck is this news?

where are the chain protesters or is that in tank (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218504)

where are the chain's protesters or is that in tank sim game?

Missing the point.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218516)

Many commenters here are missing the point. If the U.S. Federal Government were producing games such as BF2 where China was the enemy, this would be an argument of equivalence. This game is said to have been produced BY the PLA (China's army). As in, requisitioned by the government of China. If this would have been created exclusively by the Chinese equivalent of EA, then this would likely not be such an issue.

Re:Missing the point.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218732)

The PLA is a branch of the communist party, not the government. feel better about it now?

MW2 was more questionable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218552)

I don't want to give away spoilers, but CoD:MW2's story mode definitely didn't paint the US military in a very positive light. In fact, I was surprised there wasn't a MASSIVE bitch fest in the media over the events in that game, as it's probably the most anti-American FPS I have ever played. I actually loved the single-player mode because it was a pretty good story that really pushed the boundaries while remaining mostly believable.

The Difference Is Government Funding (1)

Huckabees (1929306) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218576)

Games like Homefront or other similar games that has a sort of "USA vs them" feel to it is not an appropriate comparison for the game discussed by the article. These games are designed, developed, sold, and used independently of the US government.

The better comparison would be to America's Army per the article's suggestion. In these games the enemy combatants are generic pseudo middle eastern/central asian insurgents and terror groups. People who are universally decided by security council nations and most of the world to be "the bad guys". You aren't able to fight virtual simulations of a real life standing army as these articles suggest a facilitate of the US army is depicted.

Naturally this is going on the article's suggestion as I have not played or watched extensive footage of the game in question.

Bad summary: No US troops, only a drill (5, Informative)

NekoYasha (1040568) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218638)

The game is named Glorious Mission, or sometimes Mission of Honor, not Glorious Revolution, and the plot follows a soldier's life through military camp and cumulates in the eponymous large-scale drill, as reported by China Daily [chinadaily.com.cn] . No US Troops anywhere.

It also supports 32 person multiplayer. You can watch footages of the game on YouTube here [youtube.com] .

Download? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218670)

Where is the free download link?

If it's not free and FOSS, it's COMMUNISM.

The US videogame industry will be outsourced (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218676)

Its coming folks. Some companies are already buying game assets from China.

The biggest problem for our country is not that China has a videogame with US targets, but that China itself is out to destroy our economy.... and we willfully help them do it.

So lets keep selling ourselves out boys!

We can learn something from history... (1)

Johnny Mnemonic (176043) | more than 3 years ago | (#36218824)

From TFA:

"Admiral Patrick Walsh said Washington is seeking to improve its relationship with the Chiese military, and an officer exchange program would provide a better understanding of Chinese culture, goals and thoughts".

The Native Americans tried the same approach. The US Gov't was happy to let them think that there was some chance at reconciliation as it simply made killing them all a lot easier.
br China won't be so foolish as to Pearl Harbor us. We can't wait for that kind of defining event. We need to treat this like another Cold War, or we will be speaking Chinese in 50 years.

China Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36218876)

This is total nonsense. We are the ones starting wars all over the world and trying to force our will on other. The Chinese are using our debt to finance many admirable projects. I think you may have it backwards. Do a little research and you will find that the US defense budget is way out of whack and 10X all other countries combines, inclusive of China.

This is the type of rhetoric and fear mongering that created more ill will towards America. If China wants to bury us all they have to do is call in the loans that finances 40% of our national budget each year, or simply stop loaning us money.

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