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CmdrTaco Visits Pixar

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the sometimes-my-job-rocks dept.

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A couple of weeks ago I scored a visit to Lucasfilm and half jokingly challenged the Slashdot audience to invite me to other cool places. Two brave Pixar employees took me up on my offer and showed me around for Slashdot T-Shirts. It's an amazing campus. Thanks to Mark Harrison and Ralph Gootee for showing me "0% of the render-farm" and making me wish that I was talented enough to have a place in such an amazing world. Soon I'll have a cool story to post about the crazy work Mark is doing with mind boggling volumes of data, but for now I have a picture of me next to a giant Luxo Lamp. Also thanks to Heidi Parmelee who gave me a Woody doll to give to my son and made me a hero. So now the gauntlet has been doubly thrown: Who out there in Slashdot-land works somewhere super cool and can give me a tour in exchange for a T-Shirt?*

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Lucky Bastard! (2)

killfixx (148785) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266626)

New plan: Create internet phenomenon and use ensuing "cred" to live my dreams!

Re:Lucky Bastard! (5, Funny)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266706)

I work in my bedroom. Besides code, the only thing I would be rendering is children and my wife has informed me you can see 0% of our render farm as well. Could I still get a t-shirt?

Re:Lucky Bastard! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266714)

Hehe, goatse.

What an awful write up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266636)

"What I Did on my Summer Vacation by Commandor Taco" D----

CmdrTaco Visits Goatse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266646)

http://goatse.ru/ [goatse.ru]

Nice success so far (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266648)

I'm glad to see that the "Invite CmdrTaco to your cool place" campaign has went a lot better so far than its predecessor, the "Come kick kdawson in the balls" campaign.

Re:Nice success so far (5, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266664)

What the hell happened? People should have been line-camping for that!

Re:Nice success so far (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266712)

You can imagine the disappointment, when they realized he had none... ;)

Re:Nice success so far (5, Funny)

smelch (1988698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266716)

There was, that was the problem. When that many people were confronted with the reality of the situation, kdawsons balls are unable to be found, a riot broke out. I think a girl died.

Re:Nice success so far (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267164)

Ran out of t-shirts. A riot ensued.

Re:Nice success so far (1)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267940)

Wait, what? It's over? I'm STILL in line, dammit! Hey, is Duke Nukem out yet?

Re:Nice success so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267966)

I didn't know that a cunt like KDawson had balls.

Wanna visit an Apartheid counry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36270002)

Then come to Malaysia.

Malaysia is the only country in the world where Apartheid is LEGAL.

Come visit Malaysia !

How about this (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266658)

Google.

Re:How about this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267856)

Oh come on, almost as many people on /. have toured the Google campus as have hooked up with your mom.

Where are the photos? (1)

Tei (520358) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266660)

Show us the photos. If you are shy, you could photoshop your face with a Ghost In the Shell logo, or a V for Vendetta logo.

Re:Where are the photos? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266680)

Where is the anything? "I went somewhere, did nothing. talked to a guy, i guess"

Jesus fucking christ, this is the most useless block of text I've ever seen on the internet.

Re:Where are the photos? (1)

pyrosine (1787666) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267276)

Dont forget he managed to get around 250,000 people to read it

Re:Where are the photos? (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266818)

If you want to see CmdrTaco just watch Revolution OS ...

Woddy (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266662)

"Also thanks to Heidi Parmelee who gave me a Woody" ...niiiiiice

How 'Bout the Last Shuttle Launch (2)

Frightened_Turtle (592418) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266672)

Nice! Another reason to live my life vicariously through CmdrTaco!

Any übergeeks out there that could get Rob into NASA for the Atlantis launch?

Re:How 'Bout the Last Shuttle Launch (2)

uncledrax (112438) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266776)

Probably.

NASA employees can sometimes get Employee-Car Passes to the launches (assuming they don't have to work said launch). I know you can get Causeway 'seating' that way.. someone with more cred might be able to get something closer though.

Re:How 'Bout the Last Shuttle Launch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267270)

Well, he could just register to buy a ticket [kennedyspacecenter.com] on the 30th like the rest of us. Failing that there's always congressmen you can hit up or hit on. ;)

Sooo....where's the article? (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266676)

Is the summary all there is here?

Re:Sooo....where's the article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266746)

I was thinking the same thing. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Come on over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266688)

I'm self employed, but you're welcome to come on over and tour my basement mancave* + office. You can even skip the T shirt.

*Somewhat Surprisingly, said basement is nowhere near parent's house

Re:Come on over (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266734)

I could offer him a visit to a boring office...located in a nice tropical vacation destination that he could visit on business expenses ;)

Now YOU bribe ME for an invite, CmdrTaco >:)

CGI Michael Porn? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266696)

Taco is a nullo

This is news? (5, Funny)

Nationless (2123580) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266760)

What do you think this is? Your personal blog?

(And for those who don't get the joke, yes, i know ;)

MSFT (5, Interesting)

donutface (847957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266762)

CmdrTaco if you're in the Seattle area within the next two months I can give you a tour of the Microsoft Redmond campus ;-)
Can't really see that being your scene though!

Re:MSFT (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266800)

LOL I think he'd get killed by a chair that mysteriously fell from an upper floor XD

And after that, QTM! (1)

Xaedalus (1192463) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267052)

I can give you a tour of the Quantum building and you can look at our lab with our nifty-keen tape and disk libraries! Even more importantly, afterwards I can take you to awesome pubs here on the Eastside!!!

Re:MSFT (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267550)

CmdrTaco if you're in the Seattle area within the next two months I can give you a tour of the Microsoft Redmond campus ;-)

Can't really see that being your scene though!

While he's here, he can tour my apartment. It's a hands on tour, and to appreciate the charm, you get "hands on experience"* in my kitchen. Then the bathroom.

Don't worry, you don't have to do windows.

* Cleaning

Re:MSFT (1)

bazorg (911295) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267648)

closing up shop in 2 months over there hey Ballmer?

Re:MSFT (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267974)

CmdrTaco if you're in the Seattle area within the next two months I can give you a tour of the Microsoft Redmond campus ;-)

Can't really see that being your scene though!

August 20th (IIRC) Groundspeak (Geocaching.com) is having a blockparty/open house in Seattle. He'd have a lot more fun there, along with 3,500+ other geocachers.

Re:MSFT (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268106)

It's a trap!

Re:MSFT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36268194)

I can offer a brief tour of the Microsoft Silicon Valley campus ;)

Re:MSFT (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36270224)

If he doesn't make it all the way to the Seattle area, he could stop in the Portland Oregon area and visit my cool employer instead. Even Obama has stopped by for a tour. Much more to his liking is the nearby Open Source Labs.
http://osuosl.org/ [osuosl.org]
Info on Obama's visit to my employer
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2011/02/intel_obama_continue_difficult.html [oregonlive.com]

I'm sure we could arrange a tour. I don't think I can get you into the clean FAB. Sorry.

Picture is photoshopped! (2, Funny)

tadauphoenix (127728) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266796)

The light is obviously pointing in the wrong direction. It's a fake!

Re:Picture is photoshopped! (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267868)

Damn, now they are going to have to re-render it.

Well.. (1)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266900)

I can give you a tour of where they clean out port-a-potties. You'll never forget it.

Re:Well.. (1)

denobug (753200) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267820)

Send that invitation to Mike Rowe. Wait, I think he has done that already...

That's a bigass photo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266906)

a 4MB image on frontpage? dumbass

Re:That's a bigass photo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267656)

It's going to be painful. The bandwidth costs will come right out of the lube budget.

visit me! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36266918)

I work in thailand at a sex-tourism hotel. We'll buy the airplane tickets if you want to visit. Experience being a lady boy first hand!

Want to know how Bourbon is Made? (1)

phishead (56639) | more than 3 years ago | (#36266968)

If you're in Kentucky I can show you around the Buffalo Trace Distillery [buffalotrace.com] . We make bourbon and organic vodka from scratch.

Already have a ten speed (1)

Captain Arr Morgan (958312) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267014)

Well hey now, guys, look. I do not want to do anything illegal here... but I would kill somebody... in front of their own mama... to get a /. T-shirt. And if any witnesses testify against me, I'll gouge their eyes out. Otherwise you could come visit the Skype office in Palo Alto.

Re:Already have a ten speed (1)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267612)

Re:Already have a ten speed (1)

Captain Arr Morgan (958312) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267688)

Pfft! Really? Pay for it? I am the poster child for retail is for suckers. Its just a T-shift if you pay for it, its shwag if its given to you.

I'll show you around the Johnson Space Center (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267016)

Of course that means having to be in Houston.....

wow! (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267026)

Also thanks to Heidi Parmelee who gave me a Woody.... Got my attention!

Virgin America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267066)

Wanna come visit Virgin America?

Re:Virgin America (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267126)

Slashdot has a new name?

Re:Virgin America (2)

wrencherd (865833) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267254)

A /.-er visiting Virgin America?

Busman's holiday, I'd say.

"0% of the render-farm"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267106)

Does "0% of the render-farm" mean that he didn't get to see the render-farm for some reason? Or that the endless racks of render-farm that he got to see only amounted to approximately 0% of it?

dom

Ghetto (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267108)

I can give you a tour of the ghetto.

Don't worry. They love white, nerdy people there. Be sure to bring your expensive gadgets so everyone can see how cool you are.

Re:Ghetto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36268244)

The Niggers will be waiting with da lube too. Big Tyrone just got out of the joint and he's ready fo' some white boy lovin'. We coming 'round yo' place about 8. Bring your tears.

Signed,
The Niggers

come visit my home office (1)

chappel (1069900) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267160)

Nothing particularly interesting here - mostly old tech crap - but there isn't any heat, and in the midst of a minnesota winter 'cool' is an understatement.

Can I upgrade my tee-shirt to a /. parka?

big holes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267226)

i could offer you a tour of the construction of the third set of locks of the panama canal.

http://www.pancanal.com/eng/expansion/

My neighborhood and your family members (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267290)

I literally live right next door to your sister in law Mary cmdrtaco. I hung out with your brother a few weeks ago when he was visiting. You should come down here and give me a tshirt just because I know some of your family personally ;)

Re:My neighborhood and your family members (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267326)

Step sister not sister in law... My bad ;)

Rackspace (1)

jeffy210 (214759) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267502)

If you're out San Antonio way, I can give you a tour of Rackspace's Headquarters. Can't claim to be as cool as pixar, but got quite a few people who'd probably want to meet you.

Come visit us in Greengairs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267540)

Dear CmdrTaco,

Feel free to stop by and we will be happy to give you our extended tour.

Best Regards

Greengairs Landfill
Airdrie
North Lanarkshire
UK

SAS Institute tour? (1)

MarkOnBoat (900698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267606)

I can arrange a tour of the 300+ acre SAS Institute headquarters here in Cary, NC if you would like. It's beautiful - and SAS was Fortune's #1 best place to work in the USA two years in a row - last year and this. I think it's a cool place to work! http://www.sas.com/company/ [sas.com]

Google HQ (1)

canadianTyPo (2206316) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267660)

I can show you around Google's main campus and get you a free lunch, if you're in Mountain View.

There's no such thing (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268780)

as a free lunch. Especially from Google!

Facebook (1)

jubishop (1108975) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267670)

I work as a Software Engineer at Facebook and I would be happy to give you a tour of our campus(es). ;o)

Come to Swansea (1)

vosester (1163269) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267758)

You can see Alan Cox in his natural environment, here’s a bit feral, but you can coax him out with a rump of steak, that has a picture of Linus taped to it.

Can you come to Israel ? :) (1)

lieutenant (455728) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267818)

I can get you into some interesting places...

Re:Can you come to Israel ? :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267950)

I can get you into some interesting places...

while they still exist

C'mon Taco, give a little back (5, Insightful)

Triv (181010) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267896)

You got invited somewhere awesome by a member of the /. community, and all we get is a thank you and a request to be let into more awesome places? It would've killed you to snap a few pictures, or to have set up an interview, or to have given us something, anything, back in return?

Either make a big deal out of it when this happens and do some actual, experiential blogging, or keep quiet about it, but this story is just...a smirk.

I work nowhere remotely interesting these days, but if I did, after this story I wouldn't be inclined to help yo

Re:C'mon Taco, give a little back (1)

rwade (131726) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268208)

Yeah, I don't get what this is all about. I thought that when he posted about Lucasfilm last week that he was just doing it on a lark -- I'm pretty shocked to see that this is a regular, erm, feature published here.

Indeed, I don't see the point of these posts from a content generation perspective at all -- I mean, clearly there are 67 comments here so far, so people are reading it. But I bet there are better things to occupy the space than this...

Re:C'mon Taco, give a little back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36270108)

Agreed. I used to visit Slashdot multiple times a day and spend hours on it. This is why I now only visit Slashdot once or twice a week max, when I'm bored and have already hit my favorite sites. Just to check if there's something interesting. More and more, there isn't.

P.S. - I work in a company that manages one of the largest power grids in the world. The control room would make you faint from the geek orgasm, Taco. This kind of half-assed bullshit does not lead me to consider inviting you here.

Re:C'mon Taco, give a little back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36269610)

As one of the people mentioned in the article, it's really hard to get our PR to agree to "sharing" things. He really really wanted to get a story, I promise!

Boise ID (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36267930)

Never commented ... but we could bring you out to Boise ID. You will be disappointed at first but we are revamping and balling hard out our workspaces/site so you could do a renovation tour and shed tears for those who have come and gone from such a company. The entrainment we will show you will be ... awesome. BTW, we are both from the same good old state of Michigan (very close ... (distance) ... growing up) and that means something, ya?

MTU Programmer

Re:Boise ID (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267960)

Anybody just going to Boise period is going to be disappointed haha

AFN Broadcasting Center (1)

tattooed_pariah (1800040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36267982)

I can give a tour of all the excitement that is the Defense Media Activity, American Forces Network Broadcasting Center in lovely Moreno Valley, California... We broadcast tv and radio programs worldwide for service-members and their families.

Re:AFN Broadcasting Center (1)

rwade (131726) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268158)

Are you guys up at March? Always wondered where AFN came from...

Re:AFN Broadcasting Center (1)

Napoleon The Pig (228548) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269354)

So you're the one to blame for the crappy PSA's that are passed off as commercials on AFN...

Nice (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268150)

Cool story man! Keep 'em coming! I liked the part where you visited Pixar and took the picture with the ball and there was that lamp right beyond you omg lookout lol hahaha anyway man keep in touch would love to read more on that trip to Lucasfilm! Take care! BTW have you seen my bong? Can't find it anywhere, I'm thinking it's either you that put it in your bag mistaking it for the darker one (yours) or Amanda... you know how she is! LOL ok take care Taco peace out

Mod parent Funny (1)

rwade (131726) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268182)

High comedy, my friend. Well done.

PNG? That photo size is huge. (1)

PhrstBrn (751463) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268252)

While PNG is a great format for digital artwork, and maybe even archiving, it's a terrible format for distributing pictures on the web. JPEG, while lossy, still looks good at high resolutions, and compresses down to smaller image sizes for distribution of photography on the web. It's the difference between FLAC and high bitrate MP3... while the FLAC is "technically" superior in terms of quality, most people aren't going to be able to tell the difference between 256kbps MP3 and FLAC.

Saving that photo as a JPEG cut the size by 75% without trying very hard, and I can hardly tell the difference at a glance (small differences, but not that important).

Re:PNG? That photo size is huge. (1)

gmccloskey (111803) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268436)

Not only is it a big ass PNG, it's also in AdobeRGB colourspace - so probably about .1% of the readership is actually able to see it correctly. and never mind cutting file size by 75%, try 90 or 95%, and that's without even touching the resolution. The only question is why he didn't go the whole hog with a 32-bit image instead of the paltry 8-bit option. (that last bit was sarcasm, or should I say the last 24 bots were sarcasm) Leading technology web site, eh? Remind me again of the relevance of slashdot, with stories regularly appearing a day or two days behind other sites, slashvertisements, and little in the way of original content. And I agree with the others, taking advantage of users' good will and giving nothing back is pretty weak.

Re:PNG? That photo size is huge. (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268964)

I'm GLAD he used PNG. With modern highspeed being what it is, you shouldn't complain about the size difference, and the quality difference is substantial.

Re:PNG? That photo size is huge. (1)

PhrstBrn (751463) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269528)

No, it really is not substantial. It's there, but you really have to be looking for it.

Besides, this attitude of "with modern X being what it is", we create this computing culture of throwing hardware at the problem when there are performance issues, rather than trying to solve the root issue at hand.

Re:PNG? That photo size is huge. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36269688)

PNG vs JPEG is a lot different than FLAC vs MP3. With sufficient VBR settings, an MP3 can be made to sound indistinguishable from FLAC, while even at the highest quality setting JPEG still produces very visible artifacts and banding.

For example, look at the following image in both PNG and JPEG (100% quality setting):

PNG [imageshack.us]
JPEG [imageshack.us]

Note the smooth gradient of the sky in the PNG and the horrible banding present in the JPEG. Also note how the silhouettes look sharper in the PNG.

File sizes are 231KB for the PNG and 221KB for the JPEG.

Taco proves he's a douche, one more time! (1)

kuzb (724081) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268470)

I wish this fuckbag would just give up the torch to someone who actually gives a shit about the quality of the content here.

Kisko Labs / Frozen Rails (1)

k33l0r (808028) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268510)

You're welcome to visit Kisko Labs [kiskolabs.com] any day, with or without t-shirts. We don't have a render farm, but we compensate by having a sauna.

Heck, we'll even throw in some Frozen Rails [frozenrails.eu] conference passes.

Warbirds (1)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268536)

We actually met up at the A2 slashdot tenth birthday celebration, so I already have a t-shirt. But, I'm also the admin for Yankee Air Museum [yankeeairmuseum.org] , home to a flying B-17, B-25, and C-47. I offered then, and it still stands. I think something can be arraigned.

Re:Warbirds (1)

Spykk (823586) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268634)

I think something can be arraigned.

Come on now, officer. How many criminals actually fall for that?

So Let Me Get This Right... (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268558)

...*I* have to put some effort into ensuring *YOU* get as many "away from the office" jollies as you can.

How about you go check out an office chair company on your next expenses-paid trip out? Then when I tell you to go "sit & swivel", I can at least gain some pleasure in knowing you will have a fairly good chance of carrying out my orders.

Incidentally, I'm thinking of taking a sickie from the office on Wednesday next week? Can you call my boss and make up an excuse for me?

CERN (1)

toruonu (1696670) | more than 3 years ago | (#36268718)

If you happen to come to Geneva let me know, might show you around CERN :)

Re:CERN (1)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269144)

Aaaaand, we have a winner!

Three letter agency? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36269006)

I can give you a tour of a government three-letter agency if you would like. The only caveat is that you can't ever leave.

Re:Three letter agency? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269626)

I can give you a tour of a government three-letter agency if you would like. The only caveat is that you can't ever leave.

Hotel California is a government three-letter agency, who knew?

Yawn (1)

ukemike (956477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269162)

Been there. Done that. Have a picture of my son next to the 6' Lego Buzz Lightyear

Mauna Kea (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269370)

As in, big shiny toys.
Of course, you'd have to get yourself to Hawaii...

How about SpaceX HQ in Los Angeles? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36269396)

Check your personal email from your /. profile page. Legit offer to check out the ol' Rocket Factory.

No, I'm not Elon.

willing to either.... (1)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 3 years ago | (#36269844)

a. have a temporary background check and polygraph (previous employer, still have connections for tours).
or
b. willing to sign an NDA (HINT: you may have already did from your last visit. Think parents...).

Also, did they show you the hideouts (i.e. must be 21yrs or over) and did you get to play drums?

TFA has tag: brag written all over it... and hopefully this post does not. FYI, I don't exist.

The world's largest Chipmaker (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36270278)

Care to visit the R & D facility of the world's largest chipmaker? If I twist the right arms I might even be able to get you a 6 core i7 990X Extreme to try out. If not I'm sure we can find a t shirt.
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7ee/index.htm [intel.com]
http://www.intel.com/?en_US_01 [intel.com]

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