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In Censorship Move, Iran Plans Its Own Internet

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the they-threw-a-party-and-nobody-came dept.

Censorship 206

An anonymous reader writes "Iran is taking steps toward an aggressive new form of censorship: a so-called national Internet that could, in effect, disconnect Iranian cyberspace from the rest of the world (summary of paywalled WSJ report). The leadership in Iran sees the project as a way to end the fight for control of the Internet, according to observers of Iranian policy inside and outside the country. Iran, already among the most sophisticated nations in online censoring, also promotes its national Internet as a cost-saving measure for consumers and as a way to uphold Islamic moral codes." The article also mentions unconfirmed local press reports suggesting that Iran is building its own national operating system.

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Last Post! (3, Funny)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295686)

in Iran.

Re:Last Post! (4, Insightful)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295766)

I'm sure it'll go really well when buisness owners can't get email and have problems communicating with the outside world to sell their products.

Re:Last Post! (1)

Stele (9443) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295880)

Outside world? Sounds like they don't want/need it.

How far down into the sand do you have to stick your head before you can't hear anything again?

Re:Last Post! (1)

obergfellja (947995) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296258)

ask china.

Re:Last Post! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296306)

Outside world? Sounds like they don't want/need it.

Actually, Iran desperately needs the outside world for two reasons:

1. To export petroleum. Even with Iran's petroleum sales, the economy is terrible. Without petroleum, they are a basket case.

2. To import petroleum. Somewhat counter-intuitive, given reason #1. Iran has virtually no domestic refining capacity. Iran imports large quantities of gasoline & diesel.

Re:Last Post! (3, Informative)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296484)

Iran certainly needs the outside world to buy its oil and sell some of it back as refined and distilled petroleum products, seeing as the military and the Ayatollahs, who now amount to little more than a theocratic face on the military dictatorship, have basically let Iran's infrastructure rot.

Their plan is moronic and would only further marginalize their crippled economy. At least China is run by sane despots. Iran is being increasingly run by idiots.

Re:Last Post! (1, Funny)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295970)

Would that be the jew infested US satan [bbc.co.uk] , or the rain stealing EU [telegraph.co.uk] you think they want to communicate with ?

Re:Last Post! (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296162)

Well... with the current boycots imposed by (mostly) NATO, there is not too much business with countries with free internet anyway.

I guess they can always build one or two glass fibre cables to hook up to Russia and China, who do still trade with them...

Good riddance (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296288)

How many IPv4 addresses will this free up?

Re:Last Post! (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296454)

Unless the Iranians have suddenly lost an alarming number of IQ points in a completely inexplicable virus attack, I'm guessing that, as always, the internal internet will be for the little people and the people who have a need, and/or the right friends, will have the real deal.

There will, presumably, be some sort of licensing procedure, and known extra scrutiny on "outside lines"; but there is no way that they'd be stupid enough to deny access for business use. Even the DPRK, among the most authoritarian and autarchic countries on earth doesn't do that.

Re:Last Post! (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295782)

...Internet censors you?

Re:Last Post! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295790)

FYI

In British countries "The Last Post" is a bugle/trumpet salute to a fallen soldier (Similar to "Taps" in the US military services.)

At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them.

Re:Last Post! (1)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296236)

Haha! I doubt it though, the more you try to squash things, the more people struggle. Its the smell of stinky desperation and its a boneheaded idea at that. Three cheers for the paranoid idiots, they will push the throttle down all the way out of town. Good riddance. Iran has some great skiing country, no? Can't wait until the lunatics are out of power and the cool people of Iran are in control.

Burn the Koran (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296250)

Burn the Koran [bibleblaze.com]

Re:Burn the Koran (0)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296658)

I think Slashdot should reveal your real ID on that posting as a joke - because I'd love to think about you shitting your pants in fear when it happened.

It's amazing how little courage you need hiding behind AC.

Re:Last Post! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296402)

This stinks. Of all the Middle Eastern denizens, I feel the most pity for the Iranians. Most of the Iranians I've known were good people, it's not their fault that their government leaders are insane.

Maybe the US could try making peace in the Middle East by smuggling in satellite internet and servers.

Re:Last Post! (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296528)

The Iranian people were betrayed at every step of the way; first by the US and Britain, which deposed a democratic regime and put the Shah back in charge. Then by the Shah, who, while he wanted to modernize Iran, did so in the age old model of having secret police torturing and murdering dissidents. Then by Ayatollah Khomeini, Mr. Holy Man himself, who actively deceived Iranian reformers, convincing them that he was only interested in being a distant figure in Qom, but in reality wanted to set up a regime every bit as tyrannical as the Shah's, but many times more incompetent.

Good for them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295698)

Sometimes I feel that this one is completely fucked and we should start from scratch and abandon the first attempt to the spammers and the censors.

Re:Good for them. (2)

xyra132 (615021) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295820)

unfortunately this second attempt will be owned by the censors.

Re:Good for them. (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295846)

unfortunately this second attempt will be owned by the censors.

The censors would be both government and big business.

Can't stop the signal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295700)

Though I guess that won't stop them from trying. Good luck!

Tired of .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295720)

Being hacked, Iran?? LOL you got PWNED!!

a national OS called... (2)

heavyion (883530) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295744)

MohammeDOS?

Re:a national OS called... (2)

Skatox (1109939) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295780)

Maybe they'll named it just like the apple's one: iOS = iran Operative System.

Re:a national OS called... (2)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296008)

AIX, the Advanced Iranian eXecutive

Re:a national OS called... (2)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296010)

Maybe they'll named it just like the apple's one: iOS = iran Operative System.

Does that mean 'gcc' will stand for "Government's Censorship Compiler"?

Re:a national OS called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296098)

Poor guys, now they will have to take a lot of bullshit from fanboys complaining the IranManOS is too difficult cause they can't play windows with it.

Re:a national OS called... (2)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296318)

MeccOS.

Re:a national OS called... (2)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296586)

iSLAM

Re:a national OS called... (2)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296736)

Iran Online (IOL)

Every mailbox in Iran will soon be spammed with installation CDs with 30 day free offers.

Private Mesh Networking? (2)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295762)

Sure seems like the technological savvy of Iran would be pushing private, wireless, encrypted, mesh networking as a means to counter these efforts. For Iranians, censorship is but one of their their problems. Communication and control is the leadership's real desire. Censorship is just a means to an end - control.

Re:Private Mesh Networking? (3, Insightful)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295976)

If you're living under a really opressive government those things don't really help.

pass a law making it illegal to run a mesh network(leave it vague so you can enforce it against whoever you like) and kick down the doors of a few people running "illegal network points" and justify it with something about terrorism or whatever enemy you like.

Re:Private Mesh Networking? (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296600)

Well, that's the point of a mesh network. Its decentralized. It can be combated, but its much harder to do so. And if you have traffic off of their network, they don't know it exists without feet on the ground. So it can provide for alternative communication channels outside of totalitarian control.

Re:Private Mesh Networking? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296322)

Censorship is just a means to an end - control.

If they push a mesh network you can use it to get around them. Clearly they are interested in substituting one system of control for another. Nothing to see here.

Re:Private Mesh Networking? (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296552)

Actually there is. When they own the entire network, they have absolute control. That's the point which you seem to be missing. They don't have absolute control now. A mesh network would make their control even more illusive.

Re:Private Mesh Networking? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296590)

They don't have absolute control now. A mesh network would make their control even more illusive.

That's what I said, except I would have said elusive, since they're always trying to take it. Either way, though.

With a mesh network, you don't own the entire network — that's the whole point. But who cares? The internet is a network of networks. What they need to do in this case is what China has done; take over the internet in their own country, and control every point of *gress. Either way you cannot prevent people putting up their own internet gateways and the like, but you can take control over the network in your own country. Putting serious restrictions and controls on ISPs is a necessary component.

What citizens want is a mesh network. Governments most especially do not want you to have one. They enjoy being able to inspect the bulk of your traffic.

"An anonymous reader writes" (3, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295768)

No, that was in fact quoting the Fox News article verbatim.

Even if we don't like copyright, we like correct attribution, right guys?

Re:"An anonymous reader writes" (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296348)

Actually the Fox News article is a verbatim quote of The Wall Street Journal article [wsj.com] .

Re:"An anonymous reader writes" (1, Troll)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296436)

The original story was on the WSJ, which is attributed. I can't get excited about the injustice of not citing Fox for writing the summary.

Iranian walled garden. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295796)

"disconnect Iranian cyberspace from the rest of the world (summary of paywalled WSJ report)".

Oh snap.

IWW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295806)

Iranian Wide Web

Tunneling, Anyone? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295808)

What stops people from setting up tunnels into the worldwide internet?

Re:Tunneling, Anyone? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295824)

What stops people from setting up tunnels into the worldwide internet?

The fact that there would exist no physical connection to the internet.

Re:Tunneling, Anyone? (1)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295924)

Nothing that RFC 1149 [rfc-editor.org] can't fix. And not just as a joke [wordpress.com] . Of course we're not talking about real-time streaming of Youtube here, but data will find a way to get in and out of Iran. You can prevent people from ever finding out about Internet (North Korea), but once they had it, it's impossible to take it away completely.

Re:Tunneling, Anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296028)

North Korea has overly expensive access to the internet. They know it exists.

Re:Tunneling, Anyone? (2)

FreckledGruntBuggly (694284) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296074)

I think you are mistaken. An Internet is formed by connections between many computers. But if none of THEIR computers are connected to any of OUR computers, they have their own Internet. Every connection has to go over some kind of wire or radio link. Those are mostly controlled by the state, apart from a few satellite uplinks. Then, they can make sure that the Iranian Internet addressing system conflicts with the "real" one, for example by reusing popular IP addresses for essential services in Iran. Same for the DNS servers. They would only resolve addresses within Iran. Heck, they could build their entire Iranian Internet on IPv6! Wouldn't that be fun! And if they change the protocols just slightly, it would make it very hard to interwork/tunnel with the rest of the world. There is nothing new in any of this. But it's hard to do, because you would have to develop a whole lot of stuff from soup through to nuts to make it work, and nobody else will have any incentive to help you with it.

Re:Tunneling, Anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296152)

Satellites?

Re:Tunneling, Anyone? (1)

luis_a_espinal (1810296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296404)

Satellites?

Bingo. Either that or a sneakernet (I'm sure dissidents dedicated enough to circumvent censorship will be more than willing to suffer very high latency for information they truly desire to get or disseminate.)

Pessimistic Prediction About the Rest of the World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295832)

And so it begins.

Re:Pessimistic Prediction About the Rest of the Wo (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296516)

How will it end?

cultures are living things (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295868)

they cross breed and pollinate with each other, and therefore survive and prosper. when cultures wall themselves off in isolation, they wither and die. you can't preserve your country by locking it up. that's a recipe for obsolescence

iranian govt: you want persian minds to grow up in an echo chamber, unaware of the wider world. which simply means you want persian minds to be inferior minds. you are also extremely condescending and insulting to your own people: you don't think that they can handle exposure to other cultures. you think they will lose their persianness, as if iran is a weak thing that will go *POOF* at the first exposure to the decadent west. well, considering your street protests you brutally suppressed in 2009, you are close: the iranian GOVERNMENT is weak and will go *POOF* when it's people see how much better it is without your control freak nature at the helm. soon enough, you ignorant, arrogant assholes, your people will understand the problem is not the decadent west, but YOU

you would rather hobble your own people than liberalize the iranian government. all you do is hurt iran, just because you are insecure

long live iran: death to its feeble govt

Re:cultures are living things (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296158)

you would rather hobble your own people than liberalize the iranian government. all you do is hurt iran, just because you are insecure

Are you aware that the Iranian people overthrew a liberal US-backed monarchy and put the a theocracy in charge, don't you?

Re:cultures are living things (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296260)

a country in charge of its own destiny is far superior to a govt backed by foreign powers, no matter what positive attributes you can attribute to the puppet regime

without self-determination, there is no validity in a govt, and it is therefore weak and living on borrowed time. this, of course, is an argument against the current govt as well, so we will see nothing but revolution after revolution in iran, and every other nondemocratic country, until real democracy gets there

the problem is, a revolution is under no one's control. there WERE voices for democracy in the 1979 revolution. they just got beat out by the religious nutjobs. no matter, this is temporary. all non-democratic govts are inherently unstable: the agenda of the ruling class and the agenda of the people naturally part ways over time, in any country, after every revolution. at the time of revolution, the will of the people and the government are one. then what happens? only a govt that frequently submits itself to the will of the people, ie, a democracy, is able to survive long term and have legitimacy in the eyes of its people, and therefore real stability

so iran is doomed to revolution after revolution, until democracy takes hold. then there is no need for revolutions. the same holds true for china, which is a real estate bubble away from the chinese people losing faith in the distracting power of economic growth, and cuba, which to it's leaders' credit is taking baby steps towards plurality, and every other nondemocracy: you are a regime living on borrowed time. pandemocracy is the fate of the world

Re:cultures are living things (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296414)

That was 30 years ago. Today, two thirds of the Iranian population is under 30. A percentage of the other third was too young to vote at the time.

The Iranians who overthrew the monarchy are not the same Iranians that form the majority of the population now.

Re:cultures are living things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296368)

they cross breed and pollinate with each other, and therefore survive and prosper. when cultures wall themselves off in isolation, they wither and die. you can't preserve your country by locking it up. that's a recipe for obsolescence

I'm increasingly coming to believe that Islam itself is a recipe for obsolescence ... or, at the very least, those running it are making it out to be.

In it's current form, Islam is used by a bunch of people who want to live in the stone age, and think that the culture of a specific set of Arabs actually corresponds to the religion of Islam.

They want no progress, they want the rest of the world to accept that what they say is true, and they're willing to destroy anything to get there. They mostly want to stagnate in their muck, and stay that way.

If Iran is a demonstration of what Islam is all about ... well, then it's time to nuke the entire area into glass and be done with them.

Any religion which wants to pass a law that says that it's a crime for people to criticize it ... well, that religion is completely irrational, and is being ran by madmen. Fuck you, fuck your religion, fuck your god, fuck your prophet, and fuck your mothers.

Re:cultures are living things (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296520)

all religions are simply whatever the believers make of it

christianity, in terms of how it is defined by the majority of its believers, was once just as silly as islam's current crop of hotheads. but christianity went through centuries of religious wars in europe, killing millions, over exactly the same silly stupid ideas about power and dominance that islam is now going through

islam will survive, but those who believe islam in the future will believe a form if islam that is very different from the islam that is now dominant. more tolerant muslims need to wait for the moron muslims to kill each other off, just like what happened in christianity in the wars of religion in europe a couple centuries ago

unfortunately, i see no other way around this problem except for the tribal chest thumping muslims to kill each other off by the millions, because this is what they most fervently want to do: "you don't believe like i believe!? then die!" and die they shall, since the way of such barbarity is pretty straightforward and ends pretty predictably. just ask the europeans, they know how the stupidity of militant religious fundamentalism plays out from their own history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion [wikipedia.org]

Thinking too hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296426)

The reason governments do these things isn't because they are "over-protective" and only want the best for the people. These are merely the smokescreens they want you to believe. And you seem to have bought it.

There are no misguided intentions in the business of government. There are no honest mistakes. There are no "over-protective parents". There are only rats, hawks, and snakes, and they all have the same agenda: MONEY.

So let's call a spade a spade here. This isn't an exercise in national security or pride or culture or any other bullshit excuse you can name -- this is an exercise in justifying revenue. Spending. Borrowing. Leveraging one's position of power for profit without being noticed.

They're raking it in. Swimming in it. Laughing all the way to the bank. THAT is the objective. They couldn't give a damn about "national pride", let alone "islamic morals". They want money. Money alone.

Not quite as romantic as you hoped, is it?

To the intelligent ruler, power is nothing but a means to achieve riches -- and a convienient way to mask one's true agenda. That is the name of the game, and that is exactly what you are witnessing in Iran (and simultaneously within every single other country on the planet).

Only foolish rulers are in it for power.

Re:Thinking too hard (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296634)

you do realize that governments are made of human beings, just like you, and not some alien species. because you speak of govt as if they have some sort of money grubbing gene the rest of us don't have. no, there's nothing special about these thuggish regimes in the world like in iran. look in the mirror: everything you despise about government is inside you, inside all of us. government is us, all of our follies, writ large. when it succeeds, it is because of our best qualities, our common best qualities. when it fails, it is because of our own low qualities as well, just as common. there's nothing bizarre or exotic about govts in this world. these thuggish leaders wake up each morning and sit on a toilet, just like you. it may be a gold toilet, but that just means their ass is colder. don't exoticize power. it's really quite mundane when you get right down to it

Re:cultures are living things (2)

SigmundFloyd (994648) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296432)

iranian govt: you want persian minds [...] to be inferior minds.

Well, I guess that's the whole point, isn't it?

Why is this a problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295870)

It's their country, let them do what they wish. I wish more people were independent and self sufficient like this. If it becomes a problem, the people will rise up and overthrow the government.

Re:Why is this a problem? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296110)

Who ever overthrew their government without outside help ? Even the US got some support from France (most famously from Lafayette.) We should care what happens on the inside.

You mean, their own NETWORK? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295914)

The Internet is a specific network. It is this network. That we're communicating on right now. They're not making "their own internet" any more than Android made "their own iPhone".

Re:You mean, their own NETWORK? (1)

AlecC (512609) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296100)

One convention is that the Internet - definite article, capital I - is this one. An internet - indefinite article, lower case i - is any network connecting several different organisations without an overall controller.

WSJ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36295940)

I especially liked that the linked story on this matter is behind WSJ's paywall.

I'd bet that for the right kind of money you could get the "real" internet (with all its bootleg WSJ articles) even in Iran.

They could go all ipv6 (0, Troll)

markdowling (448297) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295960)

That would cut them off from the rest of the world nicely.

Political Correctness (1)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295966)

Iran, already among the most sophisticated nations in online censoring...

I read until I got to this, and then stopped, because of how ludicrously incorrect this is. Oh wait, it's from Fox news. That explains it.

Re:Political Correctness (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296036)

What is incorrect about that statement? Does Iran not engage in online censoring? Are they not sophisticated about it? Or are they just not in the Top Ten of countries which do so?

If you're going to claim something is not true, you have to say what about it is false. Blanket statements and ad hominems do not prove your assertion.

Re:Political Correctness (1)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296132)

Iran has poor online censoring, as evidenced by the Tehran protests a year or so back. Additionally, if their online censoring was really so top notch, then there wouldn't be a problem would there? China doesn't seem to think there is.

Were this to actually happen... (2)

jv lee (2048576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295974)

Just file it under yet another example of the Iran's absurd, paradoxical sense of governance highlighting their poor sense of irony. It's almost as if they want to educate their populace and then send them abroad to work and live elsewhere. They encourage denial of employment to women, yet allow them to seek higher education. They encourage rigorous university standards to discourage men from using college to avoid conscription. Couple this with a failed economy and what do they get? A highly educated youth populace with nothing to do but emigrate or rebel. These days getting accepted to Tehran University is just a ticket to go abroad on scholarship, how is taking away internet going to help any of this? The government may think they're exercising a technocracy here, but it's only going to create more incentive for young Iranians to develop their subversiveness. And every day that the '79 revolution falls farther behind them, the old guard find themselves in less of a position to use propaganda to cover their asses. The future for Iran may look pretty bright yet.

Learn from China (1)

BreezeC (2040184) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295980)

China is a good teacher in censoring internet.

Re:Learn from China (1)

Sectoid_Dev (232963) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296072)

True, just buy Cisco and get your internet censoring service for free, already built in!

Name (2)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295982)

I know, you could call it

*long drawn out drum roll*

Iran-ternet

iOS / APP store (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36295992)

Iran Operating System with Ahmadinejad Permitted Program store?

selective accountability leaves top crooks on top (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296022)

targets, long time, 'choice', jobs, all in the unspecified long term (decades) 'future'. all we want is a voice & a job, they say? (we want safe thriving babys & older folks all over the world) if everybody gets killed (by mistake, bad weather...), we'll still be ok? the chosen ones' lifeocidal weapons peddlers jobs are safe, as well as our last rights to remain silent. oppositions will be destroyed if they respond violently to being violently colonized & wind up like the genuine 'american' natives, who were subjected to inhuman treatment by the royals discovering colonizers, way back then, & even way before that.

disarm. please read the teepeeleaks etchings, please. no more even wetter wednesdays for us? thanks again. this is not a practice run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGb7Bs1OdtI
'Three wars, millions suffering not 9/11 justice'

Choice between gas and brakes (1)

retroworks (652802) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296040)

Can't have it both ways. You either have science and the advantages of the internet, or you have censorship control. The more of the latter, the less of the former. This is why Germany and USSR had so many scientists defect, the lesser educated people (thugs) get into government command and control, and the more educated (professors and scientists and students) dislike the jock overlords. They find ways either out or around. Then both the thugs and the scientists go home for the day and try to find out how to download Israeli porn.

Re:Choice between gas and brakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296166)

hitler wasn't a jock, he was an (over)sensitive art fag.

If they want to cut of their population (3, Interesting)

dk90406 (797452) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296056)

from the rest of the world, no one can stop them. But the rest of the world should, as a consequence, stop routing ANY traffic to Iran or Iranian controlled entities. That would also isolate the Iranian government and business. As a concequence:
  • Any international business can only be done over phone and Fax
  • Any international advertising for Iranian businesses can only be in papers
  • Any international communications must be mail, phone or fax. Including communication to embassies
  • It would affect international travel booking
  • ... (you get the picture)

The country and regime couldn't survive that. But if they want to: Good luck in your little bubble Iran.

Re:If they want to cut of their population (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296252)

How can we encourage Nigeria to do the same?

Re:If they want to cut of their population (4, Insightful)

hodet (620484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296256)

Yes this is what I want, governments all over the world getting together and manipulating the internet for political reasons. Today Iran, tomorrow any other country deemed undesirable. Ok well that's enough heavy lifting for today. Let's come back tomorrow and agree on some criteria. Should be easy right?

OS (1)

tortovroddle (1969948) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296060)

They will call the new OS Khomeinix.

Re:OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296192)

They had better comply with GPL and release the source. I know I want to run what will most likely be the definitive linux distro.

Let Them Go. Just... Let Them Go... (0, Flamebait)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296130)

Let them dig an electronic moat around themselves. Christians, Jews, Homosexuals, Brave Women, Free Thinkers -- everybody hop on the Underground Railroad and follow the setting sun to salvation, contentment, education and prosperity. Let these backwards mutherf*ckers intellectually inbreed themselves into complete drooling impotence and irrelevancy.

Re:Let Them Go. Just... Let Them Go... (3, Insightful)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296354)

The Iranian people are generally nice and progressive, it's their government that sucks. So go fuck yourself, I'm sure your country (whichever) has some assholes in charge itself.

Re:Let Them Go. Just... Let Them Go... (1)

hat_eater (1376623) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296540)

Are you seriously suggesting that everyone who doesn't like the way his country is ran should just leave?
Just sever the ties that link them to the homeland - to the relatives, the job, the environment they grew up in - the culture, language, the graves of ancestors - leave behind the old friends and old enemies, take their family and memories and become... who?
A fugitive? Unwelcome guest? Jobless, homeless, at the mercy of international organizations, with unclear prospects and still a family to care for.
Of course there are those who managed to build a new life after leaving their country. After a time, most emigrees adapt. But at what cost? How many nights sleepless from worry, how many insults thrown at them and their children, how many degrading job interviews where your exotic medical diploma is worth less than a local plumber's certificate?
And that's after one manages to flee the country, not a simple task in itself.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Sign of stagnation (1)

AlecC (512609) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296138)

History suggests that deliberate isolation is a route to stagnation. North Korea today, pre-1850s Japan and so on. Which agrees with my intuition. The do not see how central sharing or date (much of it trivial, but some of it crucial) has become to modern industry. I see it as (another) sign of a pretty sick government.

Bender approves! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296156)

Make my own internet. With hookers. and blackjack.

Wait. forget the hookers and blackjack. those are illegal in iran.

Re:Bender approves! (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296238)

Make my own internet. With hookers. and blackjack.

Wait. forget the hookers and blackjack. those are illegal in iran.

No but you mary someone for half an hour [wikipedia.org] (in exchange for an appropriate "dowry" of course) then go out into the street for some three card monte [youtube.com] . So it's all good.

Good time 4 USA to attract more Iranian immigrants (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296228)

Some of the best and brightest people I know are from Iran. They work hard, pay lots in taxes, stay married, and raise loving stable families. The USA is a better country because they are here. Hopefully this nonsense in Iran will help us attract even more great Iranians to live their lives here, contributing to the USA rather than the Mullahs in Iran.

please, Let's ban religiions, religions are toxic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296234)

please, Let's ban religiions, religions are toxic

Islamic Linux (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296262)

There already is a Linux distro called Sabily Linux which has Muslim software and internet filtering software on it. Maybe they will use that one lol.

Desperate (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296326)

Well, nothing shrieks of despair like such move. In fact, we should not say that "Iran" does it, it is it's desperate "we will have Islam superstate yo" regime. They are so removed from reality that it feels like they are on their way to become second North Korea (hate ideology, armed to teeth, etc.)

Hmm... (5, Funny)

Just Brew It! (636086) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296332)

Does this mean we can reclaim their IPv4 address space? Forget their oil, we want their IP addresses!

It's sort of a conundrum... (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296360)

how do you have the sort of educated populace that the super wealthy want to take care of them and build cool stuff for them, and keep them poor and ignorant? I guess this is a good start. China's having a big problem with their huge (250m+) middle class. If you educate them enough that their brains work for stuff like liver transplants and doing the architecture on your 15000 sq/ft mansion then they usually start questioning why you've got it so good and their living in a dirt shack...

Obligatory Futurama (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36296362)

Will there be blackjack and hookers?

Re:Obligatory Futurama (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296496)

"Oh yeah, we'll just make our own internet, without blackjack or hookers. Oh, wait, why would we do that?"

Iranian replacement for Windows? (1)

denyAll (2217354) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296398)

"On Friday, new reports emerged in the local press that Iran also intends to roll out its own computer operating system in coming months to replace Microsoft Corp.'s Windows."

Iranix?

Futurama (1)

mordejai (702496) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296420)

We're gonna create our own Internet! With blackjack and hookers!
In fact, forget the Internet and the blackjack! ...And the hookers! we're a theocracy, dammit!

To paraphrase futurama (1)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296480)

You going off to start your own internet? hm? without hookers and blackjack?

Government controlled gateways (1)

AbrasiveCat (999190) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296498)

Well, if you think you can improve the odds of truly controlling access to the Internet, then a government controlled gateway(s) from your network, with its own protocols, to the Internet might be a way to try. But what is the Internet, but a network of networks. As soon as there are gateways, and there will be, then it is functionally part of the Internet. Maybe just with slow access (oh boy!). Some win for not invented here control freaks.

Thats it! (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36296554)

I am gonna make my own internet with gambling, hookers and booze.... actually, forget the gambling
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