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Apple Announces iCloud and iWork For iOS

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the computers-are-for-entertainment-only dept.

Cloud 201

iONiUM writes "Through a press release ahead of WWDC, Apple has revealed that it will be releasing its own cloud service to rival Google and Amazon's. In addition, they will unveil the new iOS, and the latest desktop OS." Apple also announced the release of the iWork suite for iOS devices.

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What are the odds (0, Offtopic)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301182)

What are the odds that this iCloud service isn't run OSX server at it's core?

Re:What are the odds (-1, Offtopic)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301198)

What are the odds that Jobs eats nothing but clouds instead of food?

I mean, just look at 'im!

Re:What are the odds (2)

knotprawn (1935752) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301238)

Don't piss him off. He knows i-kido

Re:What are the odds (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302386)

"I don't know Karate, But I know C'-razy!"
-- James Brown

Re:What are the odds (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301304)

The guy is a survivor of a kind of cancer that has a 95%+ mortality rate. If pancreatic cancer you had, look as good you probably would not.

Re:What are the odds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301418)

Don't give a shit. Hope he dies.

Re:What are the odds (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301428)

I believe that if everyone had the resources Steve has, then that mortality rate would be very different.

Note I dont begrudge him, and hope he feels better. I hope apple dies a fiery death though. I believe I have probably pissed off 95% of the world now, so I'll call it a day.

Re:What are the odds (2, Insightful)

Jarik C-Bol (894741) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301760)

Honestly, I absolutely detest people like you. Based on your personal opinion of a few products, and the way a company is run by its upper >10%, you hope that a company that employs thousands of people around the world just up and fails? Sure, their products may not be the flavor you like, and you may disagree with their business model, but your sentiment, wether meant that way or not, Insinuates that you hope that thousands of people suddenly find themselves out of work, many of those in what amount to 3rd world countries, where the shitty pay they get from that business is still better than sitting in the gutter eating dog shit. Capitalism creates jobs, even if they are terrible jobs. But a terrible job may mean the difference between eating, and starving to death. No company is perfect, especially Apple, but in the real world, your sentiment that they just up and vanish is a wretched thing. So go take your 'anti-fanboiism' bullshit elsewhere.

Re:What are the odds (1, Flamebait)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302056)

Worshipping the leader of a large corporation is not capitalism but smacks more of religious funtamentalism, similar to when Ayatollah Khomeni came to power in Iran.

Re:What are the odds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302154)

Now THAT is a troll! 9/10

Re:What are the odds (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302236)

I believe that if everyone had the resources Steve has, then that mortality rate would be very different.

What special resources might that be, anyway; that he lives in the USA where chemotherapy centers are plentiful and treatment is highly successful compared to other countries?

Re:What are the odds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301454)

not for much longer, luckily.

Yes, I hate the cunt.

Re:What are the odds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301512)

Well if there is any kind of karma in this world he'll die some time after you.

Re:What are the odds (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301634)

Steve Job's only superpower is super-wealth.
Oh, wait, that's Bruce Wayne...

Anyhow, I suspect Hank Scorpio is a better boss as far as supervillians go

Re:What are the odds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301370)

Since when is using the right tools for the job a bad thing?

If OSX server is the best choice, they ought to use it. If running it on Linux is a better choice, they ought to be running it on Linux.
Why shouldn't they? Blindly trying to push everything to your own tools is usually a mistake.

Re:What are the odds (4, Interesting)

leamanc (961376) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301406)

Typically, Apple uses BSD boxen when they are not using OS X Server. Since OS X's kernel has some BSD heritage, that doesn't seem too out of line. I think they only time Apple stuff has been identified as being served up from Linux has been on third-party hosting services like Akamai.

Re:What are the odds (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301980)

And Solaris.

Re:What are the odds (1)

d3vi1 (710592) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302372)

Actually, MobileMe mail service is running on the Oracle Communications Suite formerly known as iPlanet/Java Messaging Server:
Mac Web Server:Apache/1.3.33 (Darwin)
Solaris or Linux IMAP Server: OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA LITERAL+ NAMESPACE UIDPLUS CHILDREN BINARY UNSELECT SORT CATENATE URLAUTH LANGUAGE ESEARCH ESORT THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES CONDSTORE ENABLE CONTEXT=SEARCH CONTEXT=SORT WITHIN SASL-IR SEARCHRES XSENDER X-NETSCAPE XSERVERINFO X-SUN-SORT ANNOTATE-EXPERIMENT-1 X-UNAUTHENTICATE X-SUN-IMAP X-ANNOTATEMORE XUM1 IDLE AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=PLAIN] Messaging Multiplexor (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7.4-20.01 (built Nov 21 2010))
Solaris SMTP Server: asmtpout027.mac.com -- Server ESMTP (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010))

I am guessing that we are talking about SPARC Solaris, at least for the IMAP server. On Solaris SPARC, UltraSPARC is a requirement. I am going on a limb and guessing that they are not using Solaris on intel. While they might even run RHEL, I would be very surprised.

Re:What are the odds (1)

hackertourist (2202674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301386)

Apple has generally run their internet services on whatever was available. Sometimes that was Macs (I remember using their FTP server ca 1993, it was run on a Mac IIci), other times it wasn't. ISTR they used a Sun cluster at one point, and around the time of the NeXT acquisition they used Macs again with a server package (WebObjects?) that came from NeXT.

Re:What are the odds (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302192)

The online store and the iTMS are both implemented on WebObjects, still.

-jcr

Re:What are the odds (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302240)

That also means it could be running NT 4 though. Wouldn't that be a lark?

Re:What are the odds (1)

ajo_arctus (1215290) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301550)

Could well be running on OS X -- I believe iTunes and the Apple store is running on WebObjects. They may well be running some custom version of Darwin/BSD based on the Mach kernel that they use underneath OS X. It's all guess work though.

Re:What are the odds (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301562)

What are the odds that this iCloud service isn't run OSX server at it's core?

Well, some is OS X. But certainly not all.

Hint: It ain't HP or Dell [datacenterknowledge.com] , neither. Nor is it running a "free" (as in beer) Linux distro [9to5mac.com] ; so no snarky comments about OS X Server. Those to Linuces are know for their superior load-balancing software, and I would imagine that's what they are being used for.

Re:What are the odds (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301604)

If it works who cares? There are a lot of people who need OS X servers, but OS X servers aren't really meant for data centers. They're more for SOHO and on-site 50-100 OS X user situations where people want the the netboot, sharing and workgroup features to "just work." None of these applies to the iCloud backend. There's eating your own dogfood, but what if you all you have are cats?

Except for some awkward lurches in the first half of the decade, I've never seen Apple make the claim that OS X was a massive cloud data center operating system...

Re:What are the odds (1)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301726)

Considering it looks and feels a lot like BSD at its core and it is free for Apple, probably not as low as you think.

Looking forward to Lion (5, Insightful)

hackertourist (2202674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301212)

Autosave, Version and Resume are major improvements, and long overdue for desktop OSes.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301250)

Apple released these first.

Two years from now, Linux will have them.
Then Microsoft will announce it as a ground breaking feature in 2015.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301252)

I have seen all of them on other OSes, just not dressed up to look as pretty...

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1)

hackertourist (2202674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301310)

Sure, versioning has been around forever.
But autosave, and preserving system state through a restart? I've seen both done on a per-application basis, but not systemwide.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (4, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301364)

That depends on your definition of "systemwide." I doubt that every program that runs on Mac OS X will have autosave or resume functionality; it will probably involve some sort of hook into the system. Such a framework existed in KDE3, where KDE applications could all resume after KDE was restarted (and this probably exists in KDE4), and all KDE applications had autosave (as far as I know).

Now, if Apple has written an operating system that enables autosave and resume for any application, even X11 applications, I will be very impressed.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302258)

It's a bit disingenuous to compare Cocoa with KDE. KDE is just one of many user-facing layers on an OS, while Cocoa is *the* user-facing layer. There are a few others around for compatibility, and games bypass even these altogether, but adding a feature to Cocoa has much wider system benefits than adding a feature to KDE does.

And Resume isn't just restarting the same apps you had open when you restart your computer. This is apps not even having to "restart" in the first place. Their entire state is saved, so restarting a program just reloads the memory. This makes opening previously "closed" apps much quicker, and makes restarting your computer much less jarring. Aside from checking uptime or pagefile usage (or other tallied metrics, like network traffic), you can't tell the difference from a computer that was just restarted and one that has been heavily used for months.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301472)

Windows has had Hibernate since windows 2000, which sounds alot like what is being described, though not exactly as it more or less dumps memory to the hdd and the system checks for the dump file at boot.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1)

hackertourist (2202674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301514)

Hibernate preserves system state through a power-down. It does not preserve system state through a reboot.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (3, Informative)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302318)

I own an Asus EEE PC netbook that's a couple of years old now and I run Linux on it.

The other day, I accidentally closed the lid while it was powered on and I was quite surprised to discover that Hibernate seemed to work quite well on it - up to that point, I'd never given Hibernate a second thought.

After I sat down and thought about it for a while, I decided that if my life was so chock full of shit to do that 30 seconds to wait for my netbook to boot fully from a power on was far too long, then I probably need to go do some serious time management in my life overall.

The point I'm trying to make is that despite the fact that the Hibernate feature works okay, I don't use it - let alone a Hibernation that also survives a reboot.

People seem to place such importance on useless features that are only there because those same people don't organise themselves better - a bit of a paradox if you think about it.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301668)

Except for regular hibernation mode.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (3, Informative)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301990)

Sure, versioning has been around forever. But autosave, and preserving system state through a restart? I've seen both done on a per-application basis, but not systemwide.

Then I guess you missed Lisa 7/7 (also the world's first integrated office application(s)). That lighted power switch on the front of the Lisa? If it was running the LisaOS (instead of MacOS), pressing that button performed a system save and shutdown, and pressing it again did a restart and reboot. This two-part video here [youtube.com] and here [youtube.com] shows just how advanced the Lisa was. In fact, that (and the hideous price) was (were) the two main reasons the Lisas became landfill, instead of a household name. And there's no denying that it paved the way for the desktop/windowing metaphor.

BTW, notice that even in the first incarnation of the Lisa OS, it allowed for heirachical folders. That feature didn't appear in Windows until Windows 95. Amazing.

Designed starting in 1978. Released in 1983. I think they won.

And before someone starts all that bullshit about "Apple stole Xerox PARC's work", let me say this: 1) Apple PAID Xerox for to use their work [obamapacman.com] . And 2) Without the improvements (not the least of which was pulldown menus!) that some very talented engineers made, that preliminary GUI work [catb.org] would not have become really useable, let alone nearly ubiquitious.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (2)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302174)

NOTE: Resume requires the application support it and be written specifically for it! It does NOT magically restart everything (networks, files, god, every resource needs to be reworked, i bet, so there are no deadlocks on the next start. Think about it!)

Re:Looking forward to Lion (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302186)

I have seen all of them on other OSes

No, you haven't. Not desktop OSs at any rate.

Autosave: I don't know a single OS that has it. Programs, sure, but not OSs.
Versions: Aside from some snapshotting filesystems, I am unaware of any OS which has this either, although snapshots are similar enough. VSS is also similar, but much cruder. This is significantly more than having RCS (or similar) installed.
Resume: The only consumer OS I'm aware of with this is iOS. I assume there must be some mainframe systems which have something similar.

just not dressed up to look as pretty...

They aren't merely "dressed up". They are implemented in such a way that every. single. person. who uses a computer can make use of them. This is why "oh, this other OS has done this for decades" falls on deaf ears. What good is a feature to someone if they can't use it?

This is far from simply making them visually appealing. Of the three, only Versions has a "dressed up" UI. The other two just happen. For normal people, this is huge. For geeks who don't want to fuck around with every little detail on their computer, this is huge. For tinker-nerds who would rather spend time setting up their computer rather than using their computer, this is 'meh'.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1)

hackertourist (2202674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301476)

How is this modded Offtopic? These are features of Lion, aka OS X 10.7, the new OS that will be shown off at the WWDC as per TFS.

Re:Looking forward to Lion (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302360)

Wondering if this is on/because of zfs or some other filesystem change from HFS+.

Just Released: +3, Interesting (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301216)

iMSICKOFAPPLE [youtube.com] .

Cheers.

iCare (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301218)

Oh wait iDon't

When will there be too many "i"s? (2, Insightful)

gilgongo (57446) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301226)

I'm a huge Apple fan, but even I think this stuff with the "i" branding is just stupid and faintly embarrassing. Every Apple product has a fraeking "i" before it's otherwise utterly unimaginative name? "iCloud" - FFS.

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (5, Funny)

InsertWittyNameHere (1438813) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301348)

They should call it "Apple Mac OS X Cloud 2011 Premium Home Edition R2 SP1"

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301436)

Or "Mac One" ?

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (3, Funny)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302230)

I would prefer everything be named with a version number, an animal name, and an adjective. That way when I look for software some people will list compatibility by the version number, some by the animal name, and some by adjective.

If the adjective starts with the same letter as the animal name and an acronym is appended to the version number that is doubly awesome. Also if the OS would take pains to hide some or all of the descriptors...like that too.

To be fair... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301422)

Is "iCloud" any less stupid than just "cloud"?

Plenty of Cloud going around these days from all quarters, not just Apple.

To the Cloud!

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301432)

Well, you haven't seen it have you? It's a big cloud but with a difference, you see it's a great cloud full of eyes.

They said "no you can't have that many eyes in one cloud" but did we listen? No! In fact, we added more eyes to the cloud.

All the eyes we have, my my my...

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301440)

iDunno, iLikeit.

MOD PARENT DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301456)

i's before everything is cool.

You probably watch Fox News.

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (5, Funny)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301474)

I'm a huge Apple fan, but even I think this stuff with the "i" branding is just stupid and faintly embarrassing. Every Apple product has a fraeking "i" before it's otherwise utterly unimaginative name? "iCloud" - FFS.

Well, they used to start everything with "Mac", but too many people would be saying "there can be only one" if they called it MacCloud.

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301498)

Well, they used to start everything with "Mac", but too many people would be saying "there can be only one" if they called it MacCloud.

Dennis Weaver would be proud that you remember him.

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301674)

I'm a huge Apple fan, but even I think this stuff with the "i" branding is just stupid and faintly embarrassing.

You forgot iShit!

It really sounds like Apple got talked into buying the letter I at some point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml6Yqu-spnM [youtube.com]

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (0)

default luser (529332) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301682)

iDon'tCare

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (2)

slackzilly (2033012) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301738)

iCloud will get lots of coverage in the press, because media loves Apple.
Soon, the non-geeks will believe that Apple invented cloud computing.

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (4, Insightful)

NameIsDavid (945872) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301826)

If you ran the company, would you throw away the brand value of "i" just for the sake of being imaginative? When you here "i" anything, you know the product is Apple. Most companies would kill for that level of brand recognition.

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301908)

Never heard of a product. Hear that it's named "iSomething".

Realize, due to naming convention, it's probably an Apple product.

React accordingly: the faithful swoon, the haters hate. It's a well-known, stable, and easy-to-apply branding technique. Should McDonald's do away with the golden arches because it's faintly embarrassing and played out?

Re:When will there be too many "i"s? (2)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302242)

Better than having a freaking water buffalo in front of everything.

Press release for a press release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301232)

How can the announcement that there will be an upcoming announcement possibly qualify as newsworthy on Slashdot?

Re:Press release for a press release (0, Troll)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301892)

There is a very specific reason for doing this.

It gives advance warning to the fanbois to get their sleeping bags cleaned in good time because at some point in the near future there will be a mass migration of them to the pavements of some Apple-owned premises somewhere in the world.

Apple releases new products on a yearly basis to the mass orgasms of enraptured fanbois - those sleeping bags get mighty crackly very quickly!

Re:Press release for a press release (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302338)

"People who like something I don't like? Must call them 'fanbois'!"

Anyway, Apple isn't going to be showing off any new physical products next week (maybe updated Airs and/or other computers, but nothing that will generate lines). iOS, iCloud, and Lion will be online offerings (Lion will also be available in physical form, but it's not like people are going to need a sleeping bag to get a copy). iPhone 5 isn't likely to be shown, and is definitely not part of the "advance warning" Apple gave out today.

For the non-asshat, actually-founded-on-reality, interpretation of the announcement, it's pretty obvious: Apple is asking everyone (especially the press) to pay attention to next Monday's keynote. They want to have everyone listening, so they are giving them reason to.

/^i[A-Z][a-z]+$/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301234)

I am sick of Apple's naming convention.

Re:/^i[A-Z][a-z]+$/ (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301494)

It is getting a bit worn out.

In the words of B. Simpson (1)

SvetBeard (922070) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301242)

iCarumba!

Re:In the words of B. Simpson (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301834)

It would actually be iCaramba!

Let me be the first to foresee... (1)

nicholas22 (1945330) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301244)

"iCloud... When it is down, that is actually a feature."

Re:Let me be the first to foresee... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301302)

"iCloud... When it is down, that is actually a feature."

When it's down, it's called iFog.

Re:Let me be the first to foresee... (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301544)

So then it would be iFog?

Re:Let me be the first to foresee... (1)

KingMotley (944240) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301912)

You are accessing it wrong.

A guy can dream (2)

redemtionboy (890616) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301264)

My biggest hope is that they'll finally announce their back to school sale and it will be a free iPad instead of an iPod this time around, as to one up Microsoft with the free Xbox360.

Re:A guy can dream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301516)

That would be the tipping point for me actually buying a new Mac this fall.

Is that all ? (2)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301358)

Given how Apple likes to actually announce stuff at their shindigs, either they are priming us for a relatively empty one, or they have big news that will overshadow all that. Apart from them taking over Sony, I don't see what could be THAT big, though.

Re:Is that all ? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301414)

The iNotebook, of course: an iPad which has a foldable keyboard, thus giving you all the benefits of a laptop while still allowing you to run iOS. It will have the ability to swivel the screen around, and fold it over the keyboard to give you a convenient tablet form factor, so you can just use the touch screen if you want. A historic first!

</sarcasm>

Re:Is that all ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301446)

I suspect they are setting the expectations low because traditionally they announce the new iPhone at WWDC... and they won't this year. Rumor mill has it launching in September.

Bigger stuff ? (1)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301600)

Bringing back the XServe ? No one expects it to happen, so that'd be pretty big.

They're about due for refresh on both the Mini and MacPro, so they might have something else there. I'd personally be happy with an i5 or i7 Mini ... or a smaller chassis for the MacPro and redundant power, so we have something that's not crap for using as a server.

MacOS X Server (2)

ecotax (303198) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301768)

I doubt we'll see the XServe (or similar) back. But the announcement did mention that, basically, MacOS X Lion is the server version of MacOS X. It doesn't explicitly say so, but this must mean that there is no longer a separate server version of MacOS. Which is good news, because the server tools were already pretty decent (but too expensive) when I last used them, two versions ago.

Re:MacOS X Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302036)

the announcement did mention that, basically, MacOS X Lion is the server version of MacOS X. It doesn't explicitly say so, but this must mean that there is no longer a separate server version of MacOS

That's been known for months; there will be no stand-alone Lion Server product, all the server functionality will be in the core Lion SKU (although not enabled / visible by default, since most users won't ever need it).

"Lion Server is now part of Mac OS X Lion." http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ [apple.com]

Re:Is that all ? (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302378)

Given how Apple likes to actually announce stuff at their shindigs, either they are priming us for a relatively empty one, or they have big news that will overshadow all that. Apart from them taking over Sony, I don't see what could be THAT big, though.

Um... They outlined exactly what they are going to show off.

iOS 5
iCloud
Lion

These are all big, newsworthy things. The only thing that can be disappointing is if none of these will be available during June.

Apple terms (1, Flamebait)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301388)

Given Apple's track record, the terms for their "cloud" will probably be something like this:

  • All cloud apps have to be from the Apple App Store.
  • Apple gets 30% of the revenue for anything you run in their "cloud".
  • You have to use Apple's payment system for transactions.
  • Apple will remove any app which competes with anything Apple is doing.
  • Apple has the right to market to your customer base.
  • Apple is not responsible for loss of data or downtime.

Re:Apple terms (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301590)

It's their initiative called "iPaid"

Re:Apple terms (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301594)

How'd you get an advance copy of their EULA? Best be careful lest they sic their lawyers onto you.

Re:Apple terms (0)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301610)

Mandatory personal information disclosure is required.
Accounts can be canceled at any time without notice for any reason, esp. a breach of the TOS
Terms of Service can be revised by Apple at will without prior notice.
Apple's Privacy policy allows us to share your usage and subscription info with "partners".
(Partner has been revised to mean anyone who pays us.)
The cloud will only operate over select exclusive networks.
You give Apple unlimited unrevokable global copyright license to publish your data however they want.
Apple is not required to delete your data if you cancel your account
Only Apple sanctioned hardware and software may access the cloud.
(It will be a pain in the ass to get any data out of the cloud).

Re:Apple terms (1)

BabyDuckHat (1503839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301998)

No, no, you're doing it wrong. You open it up at the beginning to get users then tighten the screws and change the terms once everyone is locked it. Bait and switch.

Re:Apple terms (0)

Qwavel (733416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301948)

You forgot:

        Apple will remove any app that makes fun of friendly politicians or mentions the name of any competitor (until your content wins a Pulitzer).

Seriously, a guy had to win a Pulitzer to get Apple to re-admit his political satire.

Re:Apple terms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302298)

Apple has the right to market to your customer base.

"Your" customer base? Who is "you" in this sense? Everyone using this "iCloud" will be Apple's customer base, that is, people who one iPads or iPhones or Macs.

(And yes, Apple will market this unceasingly to them, possibly even making it obligatory whenever you activate your iPhone.)

damn narcisists! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301552)

It's always " I ! I ! I ! Me ! Me ! Me ! "

selfish bastards.

South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301644)

"Alright, that's it! I've had about enough with iCrap, and me clouds..."
-Gerald Broflovski

iCloud for Education? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301672)

I suspect that Apple will prohibit school districts that want to deploy iPads from hosting their own cloud service I dread the thought of letting Apple Inc. manage our student data instead of hosting it in-house. Especially considering the fact that OS X 10.7 will no longer have an exclusive Server variation, this makes the case for moving to Android tablets all the more enticing.

Re:iCloud for Education? (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302184)

Either you are just a parent of one of the students, or your district is already fucked beyond redemption by having you on board.

Just read TFA for once and you'll find out that OS X Server isn't going away.

Oh, so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301754)

I guess "cloud" is now officially cool then right?

iBored inow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301784)

idont understand why the ifuck iApple still ithink that putting the iletter iI in ifront of ieverything is icool. ieveryone-else stopped idoing ithat about ifive iyears ago.

iLine (1)

man_the_king (1139561) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301828)

iWorkInIT

i-Caramba! (eom) (1)

ukemike (956477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36301842)

i-Caramba!

Its all iCrap.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36301910)

Well, we all know that its a crock of shit.

iNough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302122)

iNough

what does the i stand for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302266)

its getting to the point every time there an i-anything idiot comes to mind...

What has Apple actually revealed? (2)

mr_lizard13 (882373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36302268)

They've cleverly given everything away, without actually giving anything away. The music streaming service was known about anyway, and every site had reported on the music labels being signed up. So on the one hand, confirming iCloud exists has given nothing further away than what the public knew already.

But at the same time we still have no idea just now big iCloud will be. Could it be more than just music (I reckon yes). Will it be a replacement for MobileMe (fair chance). Might it include some iWork comparability (I wouldn't put it past them).

These are questions which were being asked last year, last month, and last week - and following this announcement today they are still questions we don't know the answers to.

Brought to you by Cisco (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302308)

Should be fine, it's made by Cisco, right?

Rumors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302354)

Why not link to the press release? Was there a press release? Was this submission even reviewed? I can't find any reference to Apple having released any new information outside of what "iONiUM writes"

Perhaps a new server product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36302362)

Something tells me they are not running their cloud server on mac minis. I hope this means they will be introducing a new rack mount server product. Perhaps a corporate strategy and new corporate offerings.

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