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DC Reboots Universe

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the crisis-on-infinite-earths-2 dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Bob Wayne, Senior Vice President of Sales at DC Comics, has written to comic book retailers saying: 'Many of you have heard rumors that DC Comics has been working on a big publishing initiative for later this year. This is indeed an historic time for us as, come this September, we are relaunching the entire DC Universe line of comic books with all new first issues. 52 of them to be exact.' In addition, some characters are going to be younger, some may be missing, relationships are being changed, and Grant Morrison will pen a new Superman title."

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Less Successful than Other Reboots (2)

bronzey214 (997574) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311158)

Somehow I see this as being less successful than other reboots (like the Star Trek reboot) since they're essentially hitting the reset button on EVERYTHING. It's like a DC Big Bang.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (2)

Squiddie (1942230) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311256)

Well, it's not like they will gain a lot of new fans. Comic books aren't really popular even now that everyone is into superheroes and such. Meh, I'll check it out.

not just a reboot, also a new distribution model (5, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311454)

Another part of this announcement, which is probably more significant than the reboot itself, is that DC will be releasing these new comics simultaneously, both at bricks-and-longbox retailers, but also on apps for the iPad, Android, etc. That is where DC is hoping to gain new readers for this rebooted universe, by finally reaching the younger crowd where they live (rather than expecting them to find the local equivalent of the Android's Dungeon), and maybe bringing back some of the many older geeks who've drifted away but find the idea of a new-and-different DCU interesting enough to take a look.

I don't know if this will work for DC (unlike the Comic Book Guy types out there, I'm not going to prejudge the books before they've been published), and trying to survive in this Brave New World of digital publishing while competing with cooler-looking video games and movies is going to be an up-hill battle. But I think it's a smart move to make, because the alternative was the eventual heat-death of the DC Universe as aging fans of dead-tree pamphlets about characters with decades of continuity dragging along behind them, slowly faded away.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (2)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311464)

That's actually a sign of the times.

Why work at reading and using your imagination to make a story seem real or realistic enough to be enjoyable when you can flip on the tube and watch someone else' version who already went through that effort.

And Don't take that as me ragging on the new generation at all. It's just a mark on how much CG and other technology has advanced the story telling of other media opportunities.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (1)

Ghostworks (991012) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311270)

Do you see it being more successful than Crisis on two Earths, Crisis on Infinite Earths, and/or Infinity Crisis? This will be the second official universe reboot, and at least the third mass relaunch. Maybe more, I've lost track. This isn't like other franchise reboots, because other franchises don't get "hot swapped" this way. At the same time, it's not the first time and not a huge surprise to the fanbase, so I doubt you'll get a lot of major complaints.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311408)

I remember Zero Hour as being a partial reboot and supposed to resolve many continuity issues in the mid 90s and in the mid 80s you had COIE, and IC partway between.

I wonder if they are just trying something new, as the comic industry surely is only a fraction of what it once was.

I wonder if any kids read comics anymore or if they are all too busy with higher-tech pursuits?

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311498)

they don't call them "comics" but rather "graphic novels" and yes kids are reading them a lot.. just not nearly as many read the DC stuff as they used to .. now they are reading different verities. (think ones where they can relate to the person who is the "hero" or protagonist)

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311732)

Like Alan Moore says, there's a difference between a "graphic novel" as in a novel that is presented in a graphical form and a monthly comic book. DC's mainline stuff (and Marvel's, for that matter) does not have an ending, does not really have a beginning, and generally doesn't really have any lasting development in the middle; any time anything actually happens it generally gets rolled back later. That isn't a "novel". I'm not sure what it is. But this sort of thing is why people don't take comics seriously.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (1)

MakinBacon (1476701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311820)

I wonder if any kids read comics anymore or if they are all too busy with higher-tech pursuits?

I'm 21 years old, and I very rarely see anyone in my local comic shop who looks younger than myself (except on annual Free Comic Day), so no.

Most of my friends read Japanese Manga, and alot of them insist that Manga doesn't count as comics because there's a negative stigma associated with being a comics fan. Despite all the success that comic publishers have had with movies, they've still completely failed to convince the general population that reading comics is nothing to be embarrassed about, and that is why the industry is dying.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311834)

The issues addressed by those partial reboots didn't address the existential question that faces DC (or Marvel) today. It isn't a question of whether Bruce Wayne saw his parents killed while coming home from a fancy cinema in the 1920s or coming home from a Blockbuster Video in the 1990s. The question is the distribution model used for delivering stories told using juxtaposed pictures and words. Starting over with a fresh, rebooted universe is just a much better way of getting the attention of potential new comics readers, compared to trying to interest them in issue #900-something of a series that's been going since the Great Depression, and constantly refers back to stories published before they were born.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311854)

My point being: it's about the digital distribution, not the reboot.

Re:Less Successful than Other Reboots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311686)

Well, it's amazing what you can do with a bit of "anonymous" military funding and an underlying mission to integrate recruitment of the youguns & prepare them for society policed by the army.
Reboot : Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood military off-shore shell corporation.

saw this in the newspapers (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311798)

In the late 80's "The Phantom" seemed to get into an endless cycle of restarting from his origin story because they couldn't seem to get any traction bringing in new readers. You don't see The Phantom in the funny pages any more.

Re:saw this in the newspapers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311924)

Are you kidding? The Phantom is around, and just as cool as ever. Certainly beats the heck out of the usual comic page garbage.

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311178)

Comic Book Universe reboots YOU!

Ran out of ideas? (4, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311194)

I guess they can buy themselves some time by just retelling all of the origin stories again just in case readers missed them the first (or second, or third) time around and missed the movie and were under a rock for their entire life. Certainly much easier than simply retiring the characters and thinking up entirely new stories to tell with new characters that aren't weighed down by decades of cruft.

Re:Ran out of ideas? (1)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311622)

Just in time for Hollywood to remake them all...

Re:Ran out of ideas? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311744)

retelling all of the origin stories again just in case readers missed them the first (or second, or third) time

At this point, I think it's more like dozens (for some of the bigger characters). Comic books make soap operas look modest when it comes to the silly deus ex machina plot devices to kill-off and return characters, redo their origins, retroactively change their histories, etc. Superman alone must have at least a hundred "origins" by now (especially if you count all the alternate universe Supermen, versions in different media, etc.).

Personally, I wish they would return to all the politically-incorrect storylines and eras they've swept under the rug over the decades. I would love to see Captain American fight the buck-toothed Japs again, or let the commie menace know what's for at least one more time! And whatever happened to all those great ghetto superheroes from the 70's that used to say "Right on!" all the time and fight with switchblades?

Ran out of spine... (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311920)

Its funny that you should mention it, but Disney seems stuck in the same rut of, 'It's easier to recycle, than to invent'. The problem with modern IP is the story never ends, it just keeps going until it is so crappy that it makes no money. You want to see star wars episodes 7-9? GL might not want to make it, but wait for him to die, and somebody will want more Ferraris and blow. It's only a matter of time.

DC should just kill of a couple of major characters and bury them forever to make room for new ones. You cannot plant new trees unless you cut down some old ones. A reboot is just recycling the old crap again.

52 (1)

TimeElf1 (781120) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311196)

They seem really stuck on this 52 number. Really folks 42 is the better number. I can't really see this taking off I think it might turn into another Superboy punch.

Re:52 (2)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311830)

Pfft, everyone knows 53 is the best number. It's like 42, but it goes to 11.

Origin Stories (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311202)

Oh god, does this mean DC has caught hollywood fever and will be doing 52 origin stories?

Re:Origin Stories (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311768)

That would be great! I've always wondered where Superman came from. And I'm really looking forward to the trading card duel between Batman and the Joker. And the battle between the Justice League and the Decepticons should be EPIC!!!

retcon 2.0 (1)

senorpoco (1396603) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311218)

ultimate mega crisis in forever universes infinite something something.

Old fans (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311220)

Sounds like a good way to alienate old fans. "What, you mean the decades of backstory I've been following is now entirely irrelevant?" I suppose it could help bring in new fans, by lowering the barrier to entry. But I don't see this offsetting the disillusioned older fans.

If you're going to reboot a universe, do it like Doctor Who did it, and not like Star Trek. Respect the decades of canon, and you have a built in fan base. Change the authors, the visual style, whatever, just don't mess with canon.

Re:Old fans (1)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311292)

Bringing in Frank Miller to redo Batman was a phenomenal success for a geed reason. It brought in a new perspective with new art and a darker look. They don't have to start with a clean slate. To me this reeks of a disconnected corporate decision.

Re:Old fans (3, Funny)

the Atomic Rabbit (200041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311330)

Bringing in Frank Miller to redo the goddamn Batman

Fixed that for ya.

Re:Old fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311516)

You are correct. DC's figures show they make vastly more money on #1 issues (well, durr) and reboots to start new (sometimes parallel) stories using very well know characters. After a while the sales tank, so they repeat. This time they're doing it all in one go.

Re:Old fans (3, Informative)

Ghostworks (991012) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311336)

"Sounds like a good way to alienate old fans."

This is DC. Disregard Continuity. They were official labeling all their Golden Age characters as "from Earth 2" (Earth 1 being home to the new version who got to stick around) when Marvel was really starting to take off. Plus, DC also has the most successful elseworlds/what if books. Their characters are brands, so small changes don't really phase fans much. New Batman versus old Batman vs. golden age Batman vs. cowboy Batman vs Batman who fights Aliens and Predator are all basically batman. The stories, minor characteristics, and supporting characters all change from writer to writer anyway. I dare say there is no fanbase that would be affected less by such a major change.

Re:Old fans (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311558)

They were official labeling all their Golden Age characters as "from Earth 2" (Earth 1 being home to the new version who got to stick around) when Marvel was really starting to take off.

Marvel showed them up by making the default Marvel continuity "Earth 616". That's 308 times as big!

Re:Old fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311838)

They were official labeling all their Golden Age characters as "from Earth 2" (Earth 1 being home to the new version who got to stick around) when Marvel was really starting to take off.

Marvel showed them up by making the default Marvel continuity "Earth 616". That's 308 times as big!

Mark of the beast to boot. Gotta love Marvel's sense of flair

Re:Old fans (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311362)

Sounds like a good way to alienate old fans.

You assume that there are old fans. I imagine if sales weren't dwindling they wouldn't be doing this at all.

As far as the "decades of canon" goes, is there such a thing? I don't really follow comics but as I understand it both DC and Marvel routinely rewrite their universes with "biggest threat evar!" crossover storylines that totally change things so as to make everything that went before moot anyway.

Am I wrong?

Re:Old fans (2)

metacell (523607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311858)

Sort of wrong, sort of right. DC rewrites their universe with increasing frequency since the 80's, but their changes are of the type "assume everything is the same except for the things we explicitly say are different". So the books keep relying on decades of backstory, and keep being inaccessible to new readers - plus become a lot more confusing due to conflicting continuity changes.

Marvel is much better in this regard - their reboots are temporary and have a clear beginning and ending. For example, a time-traveller or reality-warping mutant changes the Marvel universe, and all the books are affected for a number of months, then go back to normal when reality is restored.
Marvel's new Sentry character is retroactively inserted in the Marvel universe with decades of backstory, but this is a small change compared to DC's reboots.

Re:Old fans (3, Interesting)

sheehaje (240093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311462)

I actually really enjoyed the Star Trek reboot. I know it flew in the face of years of back story, but it was as entertaining (if a bit campy) story as I've seen in the Star Trek universe. I think I'm learning to live with all my childhood shows, stories and heroes for that matter being brought back in different light as long as what comes of it is entertaining to me and my family. I guess it's better than it being faded out entirely. I still don't forgive Lucas for not seizing the opportunity to really update Star Wars with a really exciting prequel. To me that wasn't entertaining and painful to watch. Star Trek on the other hand proved to exceed my expectations, even though I knew it flew in the face of Gene Roddenberry's vision.

Re:Old fans (2)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311652)

Eh, TNG (latter half) and DS9 both flew in the face of Gene Roddenberry's vision, and we were better off for it. You might say "Voyager" but then I might say "What? What's that? You mean V'Ger? No, not the best movie of them, but better than 3 or 5."

Re:Old fans (2)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311824)

I'm always willing to give a reboot a chance.

Heck, as much as I loved it, I'd like to see someone reboot Reboot. Vastly better CGI today, and lots more fodder for the silly puns and inside jokes. Having the characters show up in a casual game would be awesome.

Enzo: We do what now?
Bob: You click the cow.
Dot: ...and?
Bob: I think that's it.
Enzo: How do we beat the user?
Bob: I think the user... is the cow.
Dot: So how do we end the game and get out of here?
Bob: I... um... ah! Glitch! Captive bolt pistol!
Cow: Zoinks!

Re:Old fans (3, Informative)

dhermann (648219) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311522)

If you're going to reboot a universe, do it like Doctor Who did it, and not like Star Trek.

Yeah, Star Trek was a huge, unmitigated disaster that made $385 million in gross revenue. I can see how a corporation would find the Doctor Who model much more attractive.

Re:Old fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311898)

Correction, Star Trek was a huge, unmitigated disaster that made $385 million at the box office. It's made about another half a billion on home release.

Re:Old fans (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311528)

The roughly 50K remaining fans who are obsessed with nothing but whether or not the "backstory" they've been reading will "count" anymore are worth risking.

Re:Old fans (1)

redemtionboy (890616) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311540)

It gets ridiculous later in the series though when it's been running for decades. I wish marvel would do the same. Flash Thompson was in the vietnam war for god's sake.

Re:Old fans (1)

MakinBacon (1476701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311640)

I believe they did something like this in the eighties with Crisis on Infinite Earths, except they didn't restart the numbering.

As for messing with the canon, it's not like they don't already constantly retcon things and release new versions of the origin stories.

Re:Old fans (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311664)

Fuck canon.

Canon in DC comics these days is a gigantic, unwieldy burden and the fans who insist on going forward with it (rather than simply remembering it fondly, even going back to read it now and again) are like that ladycreature in Labyrinth with the giant pile of crap on her back.

Long-successful comic stories have become modern mythology. There's no reason to treat them as history. All the best stuff DC has done in the past ten years has been with that in mind, all those random out-of-continuity one-offs with good art and writing that simply leveraged the mythos in to good storytelling.

The alternative to mythology, of course, is ACTUAL continuity, where characters who've been superheroing for fifty years grow old and die...

Re:Old fans (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311668)

Except they kind of have too. Superman and Batman would both be what? 80 or 90 years old now? Iron Man would be at least 60 or 70. Green Arrow would be in his 50s or 60s. You would need new people for each role and a new backstory for them For some like Superman you could just make immortal but for and some like Batman and and Green Arrow would be possible but other with super powers you would have problems with. Do they get married and have kids and pass it down or what?

Re:Old fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311896)

They could, I dunno, have them just die already and then create new characters? Maybe if they were willing to permanently kill someone off now and then they could also fit, like, a character development arc in there, in between the origin and the retirement? Nah, that's crazy talk. Better to keep the characters static, rewrite the beginning of the story, and never have an ending, instead "rebooting" once enough people give up reading that it puts your whole business in jeopardy.

Re:Old fans (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311770)

What superhero hasn't been reinvented at least once in "decades"? Shit, I think Batman has had three costume changes just this month.

Re:Old fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311792)

In the Doctor Who re-boot, the Doctor actually re-booted the entire universe.....

I wanna see Superman pull that one off...

Re:Old fans (1)

knghtrider (685985) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311890)

Perfect analogy--The Doctor is still the same--minus the baggage of the stuffy old Time Lords; but still with his age-old nemeses still around. Although, they did overuse the Daleks and Cybermen a bit..

Comics as myth (4, Insightful)

overshoot (39700) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311922)

If you're going to reboot a universe, do it like Doctor Who did it, and not like Star Trek. Respect the decades of canon, and you have a built in fan base. Change the authors, the visual style, whatever, just don't mess with canon.

Canon is the problem. Canon cruft, if you will. For instance, the hopelessly tangled canon behind Barry Allen was the main reason they killed him off in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Now, admitting that I've been following DC off and on for more than 50 years (yup), my opinion may not be remotely related to marketability but here it is:
Comics are mythology. Mythology has no continuity. The details change from year to year and audience to audience so as to address the cultural needs of the time and place. You can always make up new stories in the mythos. If anything is constant, it's character: Zeus is the perpetual playboy who can't keep it zipped, Hera is the jealous wife who can't do anything about hubby so she takes it out on the tootsies and bastards, Hermes is a trickster, etc.

Were I in charge (and we can all be thankful I'm not), the DC Universe would be much more like the perennial movie versions in that each cycle exists as a snapshot in time. To the extent that there is continuity, it ages rapidly -- the details of anything more than a year old are vague, and anything more than three years old might as well have never happened.

Oh, look... (4, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311238)

New Coke.

Reboot? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311246)

Well, it worked for Star Trek, so why not do it for everything else!

...wait, did it work for Star Trek or is the jury still out on this one?

Re:Reboot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311308)

I'm pissed about Star Trek.

Re:Reboot? (1)

rotide (1015173) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311392)

We'll see if they make equals and more importantly, a series, that is/are successful and in line with the reboot.

I know Star Trek in general was extremely niche. I know in it's old state, it was dying, hard to admit it, but it wasn't thriving for sure. I'm sad to say the old thought provoking Star Trek might be history and a new Action Adventure replacement is what's on the table now. But I'd rather see them morph it than just let it die. I love the ST universe and I'll love seeing new interpretations on it.

As for the canon of Star Trek, they just made it up as they went. Take Trills for instance. In TNG, they couldn't use the Transporters or it would kill them. In DS9, that was too inconvenient. So they gave them spots and took away their limitations. Whenever inconvenient (or convenient) they would change their own canon!

A reboot in the case of Star Trek was necessary, as the alternative was to let it die =(

Re:Reboot? (2)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311702)

I have mixed feelings on the ST reboot, but I have to admit destroying Vulcan was pretty ballsy, and Quinto was a good Spock.

A fun thing to do would be, if they know they are doing the final film of the new canon, have them stop the villain of the first film from going back in time, and the last scene is a clip from ST-TOS, the original time line having reasserted itself. :)

Re:Reboot? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311394)

Well, the general consensus is "it's better than the last several movies (ie. Nemesis, Insurrection, Generations), but not quite as good as the best movies (II, IV and First Contact).". So, while the reboot is generally seen as an improvement, there's still many ex-fans who are remaining ex-fans.

Judging from that, a DC reboot would work if people are feeling that the current stories aren't as good as they should be. Not being a comics fan myself, I can't say if that's the case.

Re:Reboot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311534)

I think it worked. So did all the millions who saw it and raved about it.

Rotten Tomatoes: 94%

IMDB: 8.1/10

Re:Reboot? (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311624)

It worked.

A lot of us who never were Star Trek fans in the first place saw it and liked it.

I'll certainly watch the sequel coming out in 2012

IN B4 NERD RAEG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311250)

Seriously, can we mod DC "troll"? 'Cause this is going to produce a shitstorm...

Heh, scared me there for a moment... (3, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311274)

At first, I thought the headline meant that the US Government was going to launch into thermonuclear world war...

DC reboots in my pants (1)

slashpot (11017) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311284)

I have DC reboots in my pants.

Re:DC reboots in my pants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311646)

Diarrhea Chunks?

Just a strategy (3, Interesting)

LavouraArcaica (2012798) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311328)

I think they will just reboot everything. It will probably fail - and they already know it. But when fails, all the old fans will look at the old timeline with nostalgy, raising the value of the old storyline. Then they will come back to what works and sells. Selling more, of course.

They are dropping Gail Simone ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311346)

Are they nuts ? :-(

I hope the new Birds of Prey isn't some superficial rubbish...

Confusing title (3, Funny)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311348)

For those of us who don't immediately recognize the reference to comics, after reading the title, we're scratching our heads wondering just how arrogant the US Capitol is.

Re:Confusing title (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311596)

Personally, I think the universe could do with a reboot, and if anyone has the power, it's supposed to be them.

It's only arrogant if they insisted on being able to do it from their iPhones.

Re:Confusing title (1)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311828)

New iPhone app idea: Obama's internet^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H universe kill switch. Sell it for $0.99 a pop and make a fortune for yourself and for Apple.

Flame Bait (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311354)

This is why Marvel is better! Marvel has ONE universe. Characters die. Life changes. Characters change. There is no reset button, like life. These stories are fantasy, but have some connection with life to connect with the nerd readers we are.

Again? (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311360)

Again?!

The Fox guarding the Henhouse (3, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311370)

The people in charge of this reboot... Dan Didio, Jim Lee, Geoff Johns... are some of the prime people responsible for screwing DC up over the past decade. So now they're going to hand the repair job to the same people that helped muck up the works? Sometimes I think Warner Brothers wants to kill DC off.

And some of the costume redesigns... radically changing Superman's outfight without the red tights and adding a military style collar? His costume has only been popular for 70 years, but hey, what does everyone else know.

Here's my first prediction for the "new" DC universe.... the reboot won't stop DC's habit of pushing a major "event" series every year, with so many tie-ins that you can't keep up (or afford to buy all the $3-plus issues). And the marketing for it will be the same crap we've heard ever since Crisis On Infinite Earths... "THIS is the event that changes EVERYTHING"... until the next event, that is.

Maybe now is a great time to quit collecting and just walk away.

Re:The Fox guarding the Henhouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311518)

Walking away is what I did in the mid-90's and never really regretted it.

Re:The Fox guarding the Henhouse (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311608)

Give it another 10 years, and you'll be coming back, carrying all those dusty boxes of stuff that's appreciatd 100-1000%.

Re:The Fox guarding the Henhouse (1)

Gramie2 (411713) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311844)

That would be nice. I have boxes of stuff from the '80s that, for the most part, haven't appreciated at all. Then again, I bought comics that I thought I would enjoy, not for their resale value.

Ignoring the real impact. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311396)

Everyone is looking at this and missing the real story. Yesterday's article had the following statement, which will have much greater impact on the industry.

      "The publication of JUSTICE LEAGUE #1 will also launch digital day-and-date for all ongoing superhero comic book titles - an industry first."

Digital download, available the same day as the paper copies. Why buy a hard copy when you can read it on your PC /.phone/ tablet / whatever?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32563

Re:Ignoring the real impact. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311634)

Uh-huh.

2032 comic-store guy: Anyone want to buy a mint copy of Justice Leage #1?

2032 sentient robot: In digital?

2032 comic-store guy: For you, sure.

2032 comic-store sentient robot: Okay. 0.05% of original list price.

2032 comic-store guy: C'mon, yer bustin' my balls here. 0.1%. Take it or leave it.

Repeat, fail, repeat (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311402)

So like hollywood the comic industry has given up on creativity and decided to redo what it has done before. It will probably then wonder why people aren't going nuts trying to give them money.

Geoff Johns' fault (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311414)

This smacks of Geoff Johns' and Dan Didio's push to increase profits by making more NEW! titles to buy while giving the middle finger to longtime fans. I just recently starting reading comics again after twenty years, and found some DC titles I really like, many of which will be cancelled because they aren't profitable enough for the DC corporate overlords (Doom Patrol already was). I'm skipping the whole summer Flashpoint crossover since that too is also a retcon of characters. I'm not big Marvel fan, but at the least the Fear Itself saga is a new story, not another multiverse crossover rehash. Johns and Didio are ruining DC.

Comic book nerds need to reboot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311436)

Take a shower,
Go outside
Lose weight
Uninstall Linux
Get laid
Get a Job
Move out of mom's basement
Stop reading comics.

Specify. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311490)

In that order?

Re:Comic book nerds need to reboot. (2)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311660)

1- check
2- check
3- in process
4- Never!
5- Regularly, for the last 12 years.
6- check
7- check
8- sorta, I only buy compilations, graphic novels and manga ...

I know, I know, don't feed the troll and all that...

Validation (1)

shawnmchorse (442605) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311476)

This just validates my long held view that DC never publishes much of anything worth reading in the first place.

AV Club discussion (1)

thirty-seven (568076) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311484)

This was up on the AV Club yesterday. I mention this because an interesting (and often humourous) discussion occurred there [avclub.com] that many here may be interested in reading.

Re:AV Club discussion (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311800)

Yeah, but those Onion guys all have cancerAIDS.

Am I really supposed to care? (1)

rpresser (610529) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311542)

Because I don't. I've been trying for ten minutes to care and I just can't.

Re:Am I really supposed to care? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311672)

So now you know how people feel about the current DC lineup and why they're doing this.

Re:Am I really supposed to care? (1)

rpresser (610529) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311738)

See, I feel that way about the current DC lineup, the new DC lineup, the DC lineup from 20 years ago, the DC lineup that will be 20 years from now, Marvel's lineup, Darkhorse, Mangas ..... IT'S ALL FUCKING BORING AS HELL.

If I want a story, I'll read a book or watch a movie. I can't make myself care about a story crammed into tiny speech bubbles and narrator boxes.

Re:Am I really supposed to care? (1)

AdamWeeden (678591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311888)

If I want a story, I'll read a book or watch a movie. I can't make myself care about a story crammed into tiny speech bubbles and narrator boxes.

Completely agree. I have given comics a shot numerous times, especially with what is considered by many to be the best of the best: Sandman and Watchmen. Don't get me wrong, it's not that they were horrible; I just think they could have been done so much better (in terms of story) in a true novel form. Since I like the art as well, just throw in some images every few pages, and voila, best of both worlds IMHO. This is not to say that anyone who likes comics is stupid. My tastes are not your tastes. To each their own.

Yawn (1)

albionexile (825838) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311546)

Crisis on Infinite Earths #15?

An Historic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311560)

Is Bob Wayne in the U.S.? If so, it's "a historic". We actually pronounce the "h" over here.

Whoa, in year not mod(2) (1)

RichMan (8097) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311598)

It's comics. They do reboots all the time.

Also nobody ever really dies.

they don't need to reboot, they need to end it (1)

tortovroddle (1969948) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311612)

That's the difference between manga and comics. Mangas, in general, have an ending, so you can write a coeherent and complex story wihout the necessity of adding tons of new characters to keep it running, kill and ressurect the protagonist 15 times, create tens of multiverses or reboot everything at each 10-15 years because everything is so full os contradictions. No only manga, but series like Sandman, Watchmen (and even Calin & Hobbes), have endings too. They only need to reboot because they don't know when to stop.

Re:they don't need to reboot, they need to end it (2)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311780)

That's the difference between manga and comics. Mangas, in general, have an ending, so you can write a coeherent and complex story wihout the necessity of adding tons of new characters to keep it running, kill and ressurect the protagonist 15 times, create tens of multiverses or reboot everything at each 10-15 years because everything is so full os contradictions. No only manga, but series like Sandman, Watchmen (and even Calin & Hobbes), have endings too. They only need to reboot because they don't know when to stop.

Uh, no.
Many mangas are ridiculously convoluted, run on way to long, have the typical problems of endless new characters, death/resurrection, time warps and retcons, etc, and spawn endless derivative works, alternate versions (both official and unofficial), sequel, prequels, and sidequels.

Mangas can and usually do have all the problems American comics do. They often have these problems to a much worse degree.
The problem is that the story is never fully written. The story is made up as they go along (sometimes with a basic framework, usually not), and it stretched to fit however many issues they think they can sell. This is why TV shows get worse in later seasons. This is why movie sequels usually suck. The basic form of storytelling is at odds with the basic desire to milk a teat until it's dry.

Ugh (1, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311618)

Despite being a geek, I've never really followed comic books. Mainly it's been because of cheesedick writing. It's the worst of television (too many hands) mixed with the worst of desperate fan-service for dollars.

Marvel spawned a whole new universe for new readers, Ultimate something or other. That's running in parallel with their existing titles. I have no idea how successful that was.

The problem of a long-running strip is that the characters are stuck in a time warp even while the world moves on around them. Archie is always going to be in a 1950's America that never really existed even as computers and cell phones are dropped in. (or at least that's how it looks at the checkout line. That Archie is even still published is in and of itself a time warp.)

The sad truth of the matter is most of the comic backstories suck to begin with. Too many writers, too much crap. There's not much worth salvaging. And seriously, how many worthwhile stories are there to tell with a given character? The only way to keep it fresh would be to keep getting new takes. Bring a writer on, have him tell his take, move on to the next guy. We see that happen with retellings of classic stories, why not with classic characters? But the problem is that the publishers aren't telling stories, they're moving product. The core consumer they're targeting wants the same old shit, boring and predictable, just like McDonalds. Roided out muscled dudes, pneumatic-titted heroines, and Frank Miller pseudo-grittiness. Bah.

The only comics I've seen that were any good were limited runs. (limited could mean numbers of years.) But they had a beginning, middle, and end. Something like Sandman was decent. But these lurching, undead, zombie titles that just keep going and going without doing anything new, just the same old boring, dependable shit... Ugh. I've watched too much Star Trek, I don't need to go find something new to be disappointed by.

All Because (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311666)

They have to completely rewrite Superman, since they lost the rights to his original origin story.

Please (2)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311724)

Please get Jim Lee to stop redesigning costumes. It's not 1994 anymore. And I'm really sick to death of seeing Wonder Woman drawn as a lesbian cowgirl hooker. Just stop already.

This is going to be a mess of epic proportions.

....and what now ? (1)

martiniturbide (1203660) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311748)

...and now Superman will not use its underwear from the outside. ...marvel's Fantastic Four and Spiderman will be the new enemies of the justice league. ...Wonder Woman invisible jet will be replaced by a gigantic flying snail since DC don't want more jokes about it.

Fantastic! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311764)

Comic books are for low life faggots. I hope all you faggots get aids and die. Why don't you try reading something educational for once instead of stories about superman fucking batman in the ass.

Smells like... (1)

GReaToaK_2000 (217386) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311784)

It doesn't pass the smell test. It's yet another rehash in a long line of part 2's. All of which has nothing to do with furthering anything other than the financial bottom line. Lame.

At least with the title "Space Balls II: The search for more money" they were honest about their intentions.

This is just a huge push to Ca$h in on the popularity of the overly hyped, overly SFX'd movies based on comic books of the past and SUCK in a new crowd of teens.

Lame.

Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a Comic Book Universe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36311802)

out of my hat!

Again?

Fabulous! (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311832)

Aquaman finally comes out of the closet!

long ago (2)

knghtrider (685985) | more than 3 years ago | (#36311866)

and this is exactly why I stopped reading/collecting comics long ago. Asimov didn't reboot his universe, he tied it all together rather brilliantly. Heinlein..well, he used a deus ex machina to tie his stories together with all the other pulp universes in existence; not as brilliant, but a good yarn nonetheless.

But," we've got sagging sales what do we do?" " I know....let's 'Reboot the Universe'".. bah..

move along, nothing to see here..

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