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Canada Seeking Cyberspace Security Input

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the your-help-is-appreciated dept.

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inflamed writes "The Canadian government has announced a consultation period concerning its secretive plans to 'integrate' the US-Canada border systems. Last on the list of topics for consultation, but foremost in importance, is the issue of cybersecurity. With the deadline looming (June 3), it is important that informed individuals take note of this consultation and give their opinions."

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New governement, new(old) luck (2)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314730)

Now we have majority. So, sorry guys, but have plenty of time to respond. God bless them all....somehow.

Re:New governement, new(old) luck (5, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315092)

Dear Canada,

Suggestion #1.: There is no "cyberspace". This is techno-market-babble. Did you look at the security of telephony over the past 75 years as demanding a need for Canada to "secure voice-space?" Of course not. The notion is absurd. Be sure that this cyberspace usage is like other tautological misdirection - designed to empty your wallet.

Now that you've considered our opinion on the matter, think to what other ends you could put this re-evaluation framework. What about examining the suspect logical underpinnings of a "War on Terror" or "Western Civilisation"? There no end to the money you could save by rejecting jingoisms of foreign-origin - and again have Canada serve the actual interests of real Canadians.

Laszlo Toth

Re:New governement, new(old) luck (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315340)

Also, convert everything to French. This way, no one will think you a viable threat or worthy of plundering.

Re:New governement, new(old) luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36316188)

Heh, despite the summary the word cyberspace isn't anywhere in the actual article.

Re:New governement, new(old) luck (1)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 3 years ago | (#36316200)

It is, however, in the actual government website on the topic =(

Re:New governement, new(old) luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36317484)

I'm not sure if you noticed the new majority government that has a track record of being, let's say, USA friendly.

Due to recent "trade agreements" - we are in this balls deep. Any semblance of sovereignty is a facade.

You will be seeing more of:

- "Defense" spending
- Prisons
- Continued militarization of police

Stay tuned!

Re:New governement, new(old) luck (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321262)

It's not "Canadian Government" anymore. Remember, Harper has rebranded it the "Harper Government".

All Government of Canada correspondence is supposed to say "Harper Government" instead. It's one of the last decrees before the election.

Of course, one can generically refer to it as the government (no captial G) of Canada, since that's what the Harper Government is, but that's how the government is branding itself.

Or it will be until the scandal happens (it's guaranteed). Then all vestiges will disappear mysteriously overnight.

So much for "open" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36314734)

Yet more proof, as if any was needed, that iOS is superior to Android as a platform.

Re:So much for "open" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36314920)

Cmdr Taco's ween is so small his wife uses an electron microscope.

Re:So much for "open" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36317356)

to do what? You do know how an EM works right? You need to fix your sample with osmium followed by increasingly high concentrations of alcohol, then slice it into little bits with a diamond. This all takes at least 48 hours. I don't think anyone can maintain an orgasm for that long.

Yay Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36314770)

We'll need somewhere to go after the conservatives have successfully secured all the money into the hands of the rich people and corporations in the USA.

Re:Yay Canada! (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314794)

North territories? Or maybe the north pole? Oh, i forgot, it melted...

Re:Yay Canada! (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314966)

Yeah, it melts all the time. Then comes back. And melts again.

Re:Yay Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315368)

Yeah, it melts all the time. Then comes back. And melts again.

Wow, what field do you work in? I'm sure no one studying the climate knows there are seasons.

If you feel the need to make straw man arguments, chances are humanity doesn't need you.

Re:Yay Canada! (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314856)

go somewhere else. Can you say North America Free Trade Zone?

One entire land mass under everything but nominal control by the "legal fiction" of corporate entities.

Sigh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36314772)

Ignorance is Strength.

Finally! (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314804)

I, for one, propose that every citizen be handcuffed. You never know who might turn into a criminal! Also, euthanasia for anyone over 50.

Re:Finally! (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314870)

poke out their eyes and wax plug their ears so they don't hear pirated materials...

"Put in your earplugs, put on your eye shades, and you know where to put the cork!"

Re:Finally! (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314940)

So Canada is going radiate and grope, then of course the integration of Canada and the US is inevitable. You just have to consider the cyclic ice ages which have occurred over the last couple of million years, basically Canada gets buried underneath a pretty thick ice sheet year round. So it's just a matter of time before the southern states of the US get a whole bunch of northern migrants.

It would seem that if Canadians want to protect their rights and public services they need to become more involved in US politics. The greater US influence on Canadian politics the greater the influence Canadians need to have on US politics, sort of change the laws into something more acceptable before you get involuntarily stuck with them.

Re:Finally! (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314956)

Wait, did you just watch An Inconvenient Truth or something? How much kool-aid did you drink today?

Re:Finally! (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315448)

So it's just a matter of time before the southern states of the US get a whole bunch of northern migrants.

You have it all backwards. This is to prevent Americans fleeing to Canada when the drafts are reinstated and the persecution of political enemies reaches Krystallnacht [] proportions.

Corrupt politico puppets and a security apparatus financed by the corporations, as well as a profoundly apathetic public, have enabled the critical mass of a police state.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315618)

"A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." ~ Adlai Stevenson

I don't think you should be unpopular right now.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36318464)

Catch up on the news, please. Florida becomes another Canadian province 6 months of the year as it stands. Well, one day shy of 6 months, so the Canucks don't lose their free health insurance.

Re:Finally! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315138)

Your suggestion, like every other opinion given through that site, is just going to end up in the trash anyways.

They'll say "we consulted with Canadians" and then go and do whatever they wanted to in the first place.

Re:Finally! (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315238)

That's why I didn't bother. Case in point: hydro fracking in Quebec.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315406)

That solves my employment and retirement problem entirely! Thanks dude!

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315820)

Also, euthanasia for anyone over 50.

Renew! Renew! Renew!

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36318582)

Also, euthanasia for anyone over 50.

Renew! Renew! Renew!

For a moment I had a flashback to the Daleks in the original Doctor Who television series.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36317678)

I, for one, propose that every citizen be handcuffed. You never know who might turn into a criminal! Also, euthanasia for anyone under 50.

Those are the ones creating the new criminals, aren't they?

G'Oh, Canada! (1)

reeno49 (1558221) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314808)

Now just abolish the CRTC, get rid of the oligopoly and we're good to go.

Re:G'Oh, Canada! (2)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314828)

How about getting rid of Harper first? Also, I want to see your moves.

Re:G'Oh, Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315636)

NOOOOOOOO !!!! ... the CRTC, which is not controlled by the government in power, is our last chance at keeping internet censored free and uncontrolled by big brother.

This is the mask behind which the conservatives (Stephen Harper's government) will hide their plan to introduce usage-base billing for the Canadian Internet Service Providers.

I can understand wanting to protect our secrets and our private lives, but this has nothing to do with the rest of the internet and, mostly, the access to all the knowledge offered online. Harper is seeking out control and power over what is transmitted on the Internet, which is an oxymoron on its own. Restricting access to certain sites or controlling via fees and protected access to the internet would make no sense, internet is by definition an open and free medium of communication, and Harper wants to turn it into an intranet, controlled and monitored. This would set back the advancement in technologies in every fields imaginable and would cost millions to tax payers, even though very profitable for some. (*cough* ISPs)

Even our personal life won't be private anymore, authorities will be able to requests subscriber information and details such as email communication from ISPs without having a warrant for the search. Networks like Tor will become increasingly popular for people to maintain their privacy, effectively setting us back years as the internet rebuilds itself within such networks and proxies.

I'm not that worried, we will get through it and we will prevail, but at what cost ?

Wrong Border (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36314868)


Since then, officials from the two countries have been working behind the scenes on the details. The purpose of the negotiations is to establish an "action plan" on border security aimed at tightening protection against terrorists and easing the flow of cross-border traffic.

Last time I checked, our northern brethren aren't the ones causing the problems. Oh and if you're really interested in some BS, look a how the ATF encouraged [] fire-arms sales to the drug cartels. And how Mexico is basically New Afghanistan, with all sorts of fun brewing there. We're so worried about airport security, when behind our backs the terrorist cells are clamoring to proverbially hop the fence--they know the Fed isn't guarding it. Or maybe I'm just wrong and being a racist.

Re:Wrong Border (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315020)

lay off the cocaine buddy, that one is a little out there

Re:Wrong Border (0)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315168)

More sources my friend, each containing plenty of legitimate external links: [] [] []

It is way less out there than the stuff much of the mainstream does talk about. Think about all the BS we do see that hits the news, all the FUD and games. This stuff actually has teeth and is seriously under-reported; there are folks who don't want their blatant screw-ups made public and they have been pulling strings. Business as usual in Washington.

Re:Wrong Border (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315184)

As much as I hate to admit it, there's a fair number of "terrorists" who get in to Canada because we're not using the US's "watch list," and they then hop the border from us to the US. The problem is, the US's list isn't actually based on evidence, so much as profiling, and I don't think I'm terribly comfortable with closing the borders to someone just because a group of fear-mongers in the US picked a fairly arbitrary list.

Re:Wrong Border (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315240)

I believe there is merit to that sentiment, but it would definitely be interesting to know the crime statistics comparing percentage of crimes committed by Canadian migrants vs total Canadian migrants, vs the likewise stats for Mexico. Our NICS/NLETs/NCIC system here isn't the greatest, but it does catch bad guys and is better than no information sharing. What is scarier here is DHS forming their own pseudo-army that is subject to fewer scrutiny than regular troops. As someone here stated before, DHS needs to rename themselves to the Dept. of Defense, with the current DoD renaming themselves to the Dept. of War. /tangent

Re:Wrong Border (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315254)

I would be VERY surprised if even 1 person on that list was an actual "terrorist", whatever that's supposed to mean.

Re:Wrong Border (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315262)

One of the problems is that list contains people who are always shaking their eyes...
Shakin' their eyes here, shakin' their eyes there. Why don't they just go join some shakin' terrorist cell?
And I thought Paradis *wanted* our input spelled out.

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Re:p90x on sale (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315148)

Penis Bitten, Sue.

A NY judge ruled that a prisoner has the right to sue county officials after a rat bit him on his penis, for which he had to endure a course of rabies jabs.

Peter Solomon said jailers knew the ward in which they placed him was infested with rodents. Solomon, a Vietnam veteran who says he has been treated for post-traumatic stress disorder, was jailed pending trial on charges he had menaced his wife.

Now let’s forget about the rat and think of your girlfriend. What if your girlfriend wants to bite your penis? Sue or dump?
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*profuse swearing* (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315186)

%^@% Harper government. All of the worst ideas Canada has implemented over the past decade have all been second-hand from the USA. Yes, I want the government to give our sovereignty away, grope or radioactively strip-search it's citizens without the slightest hint of cause, and the ability to confiscate all electronics for indefinite periods for those who have the audacity to see the outside world.
%^@% Harper government.

GIANT Snort Sensors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315360)

GIANT Snort sensors on all their Internets.

Define That (1)

ForgedArtificer (1777038) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315530)

Does the term "informed individual" include the people actually making the decision?

Because if so, we're kind of screwed...

Good; Now move things to IPV6 QUICKLY (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 3 years ago | (#36315588)

Seriously, this is a good time to get the western users over to IPv6. From there, it is easier to secure a system since most will have their own IP address. THat does not mean that it is secured, just easier than dealing with NAT.

Re:Good; Now move things to IPV6 QUICKLY (1)

currently_awake (1248758) | more than 3 years ago | (#36318898)

Switch to IPv6, run official government firewalls with address translation that block known hostile addresses. Auto block all external emails containing canadian internet addresses as return address (spoofing). Keep all critical infrastructure on private networks with no internet connection (or read only to allow reports to be emailed).

Project or Protect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315920)

Well, They can start by spelling protect ... p-r-o-t-e-c-t correctly, instead of using the word project. Did anyone else catch this?

NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36315936)

Just say NO

So what? (1)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 3 years ago | (#36316046)

So what? Canada can't even keep out 492 Tamil illegals even when given 30 days notice they are coming. Maybe the Americans can show Canadian Border Services to do more than collect GST.

That's easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36316366)

Team work.

Train beavers to attack anyone crossing the border.

Use Predators recon drones to record it on video.

Supply popcorn and soda to Canadian customs agents and TSA agents so they can enjoy the show.

As for the cyber part... Chainsaw meet fiber optic cable... Blame it on the beavers.

DMCA & Patriot Act (2)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 3 years ago | (#36317592)

I read border and cyber security, but it all looks like blah-blah-DMCA-blah-blah-Patriot Act-blah blah. This is a smoke screen. There's no Canadian/US boarder problem. There's only a CMPDA/MPAA & CRIA/RIAA [] problem. Oh yeah, and we gotta git d'em turrists with a stronger North American wide Patriot Act!


Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319540)

Tuck it under NORAD - ala WAR GAMES!!!

Why the hell are we sharing ANYTHING with them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36321458)

The idea that the US is being given access to Canadian data is horrifying.

I have a bad feeling about this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36326026)

The "integration" is perhaps just a ruse. Its really a way for the Americans to impose their draconian legislation upon us. They allowed themselves to become corrupted by the media barons, and now they wish for all the world to suffer the intolerable draconian bullshit that they themselves have pressed upon their own country. The stick being "the price of" blah blah blah. There is no added security involved here. Its all about pledging economic fealty. Its bizarre. Canada's economy is not going down the shitter like the US economy. We are still selling to China, and our sales to China are increasing at the same time our sales to the US are decreasing. Canada's debt to GDP ratio is about 43%. In the US, the ratio is about 97% (last I heard) and rising. There should be no harmonization of draconian policies and practices.

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