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Man Ordered To Tweet 100 Times For Defamation

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the cleaning-the-board-during-recess dept.

Social Networks 57

durianwool writes "To avoid a defamation suit, a man in Malaysia has settled with lawyers saying he will tweet 100 times over the next 3 days that he's sorry for defaming a magazine company. Realizing the mistake in an original tweet, the man issued an apology tweet. That was not acceptable to the company, and the company (also his employer) pursued the matter with lawyers which demanded he place ads in newspapers. Not being able to afford newspaper advertisements, Fahmi Fadzil agreed to settle the matter with a series of apologies on Twitter instead."

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ay caramba! (0)

rarel (697734) | more than 3 years ago | (#36318998)

eat my shorts!

Secret dump! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319004)

Secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump, secret dump!

I just dumped over all of the hopes and dreams belonging to Slashdot users. There is absolutely zero hopes and dreams left to dump on! I dumped and dumped and dumped until none remained.

Chilling? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319026)

So if you post one comment, a lawyer can scare you into destroying your twitter account by spamming it with 100 retractions?

Re:Chilling? (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319134)

So if you post one comment, a lawyer can scare you into destroying your twitter account by spamming it with 100 retractions?

And nothing of value would be lost.

Re:Chilling? (3, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319214)

And then the news media gets a hold of it, creates a Streisand effect, and your twitter account is more popular than it's ever been. Meanwhile, instead of the 4500 followers this guy has knowing about these allegations he made, now millions of people all over the world know about them. When will people ever learn?

This would be easy: (2)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319642)

Tweet #1: I'm sorry that BluInc is run by a bunch of petty self-serving asshats.
Tweet #2: I apologize for offending the sensibilities of a pack of hyper-sensitive shitheads like BluInc.
Tweet #3: I feel horrible that BluInc is run by a group of fucktards, so I'm sorry.
Tweet #4: [...]

Re:This would be easy: (2)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#36320632)

As with everything else, it's the thought that counts. Right, Capt. Sheridan?

Re:This would be easy: (1)

ArundelCastle (1581543) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321668)

Timely Babylon 5 comments always make me wish I had mod points.

Re:This would be easy: (1)

ArundelCastle (1581543) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321636)

I see you've mastered the non-apology apology.

Easier solution (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36323268)

#! /bin/sh

for ((  i = 0 ;  i <= 100;  i++  ))
do
    twidge update "Sorry about defaming that magazine company"
    sleep 2592
done

# Yes it's not as cheeky, BUT you can continue to defame the company and then just ./apologize& each time you get taken to court.

a maze of twisty tweets, all the same (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319074)

From TFA:

"At the time of writing, he had completed 19 of the tweets, which must say ...."

Seems like the wording has to be the same. Too bad that computers are not programmable, so there is no way to automate something like that.

Re:a maze of twisty tweets, all the same (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319630)

Yes, but can he tweet other things before and after, such as "I am legally required to make the following tweets, which are the opinion of and do not represent my opinion of that company."?

Re:a maze of twisty tweets, all the same (1)

slackbheep (1420367) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321102)

" The following apology is given under legal duress. " Maybe?

Re:a maze of twisty tweets, all the same (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36323118)

From TFA:

"Too bad that computers are not programmable, so there is no way to automate something like that.

Thanks for the laugh. Awesome. Can't believe that didn't get voted up.

Timing the Tweets (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319240)

If he just spams out 100 "I did something wrong" tweets, he's sure to lose all his followers. Of course, he could use a tool like SocialOomph.com to schedule his tweets. He could spew out 20 a night from the hours of 11pm and 2am (one about every 8 minutes). He could be done scheduling them in about an hour's time and could be done with the tweets in 5 days. I wonder if they set any other conditions like "no scheduled tweets", "has to be during the daytime" or "has to be all in a row."

Re:Timing the Tweets (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319296)

D'uh. Just noticed the "over the next 3 days" part. Still, he could schedule tweets once every 5 minutes from 10:30am - 3am and have the tweets done over the next 2 days.

Re:Timing the Tweets (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321832)

Yeah, but one second is part of three days, so "over the next three days", if it doesn't specify an interval or a time and date when the last twit must be posted, can be taken to mean he can post them during lunch break.

Not that unreasonable (3, Interesting)

damburger (981828) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319254)

He didn't have a leg to stand on, if he libelled a company than essentially called bullshit on himself whilst leaving the offending libel visible on the internet (i.e. still being published).

And its not an unreasonable settlement. He didn't have to pay money by the sounds of it, and isn't facing criminal charges. He just has to tweet some stuff. And frankly, its refreshing to see a (apparently justified) retraction be more visible than a smear.

Re:Not that unreasonable (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#36323656)

Yes, but did he actually present false allegations, or did he only later realize the onerous legal burden of defending a valid allegation? Hell, pregnant workers are mistreated in western companies all the time; it's not a stretch to believe that this could happen in Malaysia as well -- doubly so if she's unwed.

Streisand Effect (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319362)

This is streisand effect to the Nth degree. This is just begging for people to find the offending information, causes public backlash for requiring someone to spam, and for generally making themselves (plaintiffs) look like asses.

I look forward to reading this story months from now: In other news, lawyers find new way to have Twitter accounts shut down without a court order or asking Twitter. The method, known as "using crowd sourcing to get accounts flagged as spammers by forcing the account holder to spam" may have other applications, such as email defamation cases whereby the email account holder will lose their account with their ISP and will possibly be prosecution by CAN-SPAM style laws making spamming illegal.

Re:Streisand Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319392)

Could you please share what N happens to be? For all I know it could be negative and then this wouldn't be very Streisandish at all.

Re:Streisand Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320058)

Without sarcasm:

"Nth" refers to the mathematical use of "n" to represent... something mathy...

Re:Streisand Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36321080)

Yes, I agree that in the sentence "This is streisand effect to the Nth degree." n refers to a variable called n.

However, since if n =< 0 it's not a very powerful Streisand effect, what is the value of n?

Re:Streisand Effect (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321764)

One of the quotations from the definition of nth on Wiktionary [wikimedia.org] aptly brings this full circle. From Edgar Rice Burroughs's The Chessmen of Mars:

Shea had just beaten me at chess, as usual, and, also as usual, I had gleaned what questionable satisfaction I might by twitting him with this indication of failing mentality by calling his attention to the nth time to that theory, propounded by certain scientists, which is based upon the assertion that phenomenal chess players are always found to be from the ranks of children under twelve, adults over seventy-two or the mentally defective.

You don't find many print publishers these days under the age of twelve or over seventy-two...

Re:Streisand Effect (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319480)

You're such a fucking freethinking rebel! Can you be my hero?

Re:Streisand Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320630)

Offtopic? I was going for troll, actually.

But I'll take Offtopic, too.

Re:Streisand Effect (2)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36320620)

Actually, it's judo. It takes the power of the streisand effect and uses it against itself. Masses will come to the twitter, and see the *apologies*.

Malaysian Silliness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319414)

Only in Malaysia would you get something like this

Re:Malaysian Silliness (2)

solkimera (1319365) | more than 3 years ago | (#36320098)

I think it's reasonable. I mean, if the guy really did screw up, a retraction is in order, at least the same size as the smear. The size is easy enough to figure out on, say a news paper. Just make a retraction the same size the screw up, in the same page so as to keep the same visibility (though that hardly ever happens.) It's arguable if 100 tweets is justified, but really, it's not like he's charged per tweet.

Re:Malaysian Silliness (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321788)

At least, not charged a significant amount per tweet.

This sounds like an amazing publicity stunt (1)

asdfington (1877976) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319454)

I'm guessing it was not contrived, but if it was, kudos to this man and whatever marketing company he's working with!

Re:This sounds like an amazing publicity stunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36319728)

Right. We're all tripping over one-another in a mad scramble to subscribe to Female Magazine.

Re:This sounds like an amazing publicity stunt (1)

asdfington (1877976) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321132)

publicity — noun: 1. Advertising or other activity designed to rouse public interest in something, 2. Public interest attracted in this way, 3. The condition of being the object of public attention publicity stunt — noun: 1. A staged marketing event staged used to garner publicity http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/sarah-palin-wink.jpg [scrapetv.com]

Re:This sounds like an amazing publicity stunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36323716)

Err ... thanks, that's helpful. My sarcastic statement regarding a desire to do what publicity stunts are ultimately intended to get me to do (pay attention to / pay money to some marketing target) showed a complete ignorance of the term "publicity stunt."

Thank GOD you were there to define it for me.

Twat.

shakespeare's "friends, romans, countrymen"... (2)

lkcl (517947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36319714)

"and they were all, _all_ honourable men..." just like shakespeare's famously-quoted speech from julius caesar: most people only know the first line, but our protagonist was barred in his speech from saying a single word against caesar. so the phrase "and they were all, all honourable men" is used repeatedly. in the same way, i can't help but think this will have the opposite effect...

Re:shakespeare's "friends, romans, countrymen"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320194)

Uh... the "honorable men" are Caesar's assassins. He's barred in his speech from saying a single word against the assassins, so in his speech he sarcastically calls them "honourable" over and over.

Re:shakespeare's "friends, romans, countrymen"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36323936)

No... the "honorable men" were the patriots who saved the Roman Empire from the ambitions and tyrrany of a man who would have set himself up as a king. Even Mark Antony acknowledged that! Hrmph. Accusing those nice people of something as horrible as assassination, intimidation and censorship. You should be ashamed of yourself!

[the preceeding words are to a joke, as irony is to "like iron" - dull and rusty]

Re:shakespeare's "friends, romans, countrymen"... (1)

lkcl (517947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36462488)

that's right. it's not done "sarcastically" - it's done with enthusiasm. i remember this scene from school. we were asked to cheer at the first mention of "honourable men", and as the number of mentions increased, we reverted to complete silence at the end of the speech....

Blackboard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320170)

I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.

Didn't do shit for me.

Re:Blackboard... (1)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 3 years ago | (#36320738)

I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.
I will follow the rules of Ms. Deambrose's class.

Didn't do shit for me.

Perhpas it wasn't supposed to do anything for YOU.

Clapping Erasers (1)

guttentag (313541) | more than 3 years ago | (#36320372)

Does he have to spend recess clearing Twitter's old server logs and clap the hard drives together afterward?

Re:Clapping Erasers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320568)

Does he have to spend recess clearing Twitter's old server logs and clap the hard drives together afterward?

Greatest post of the day goes to clapping erasers

they do on a breakfast club AKA Saturday detention (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320702)

In the Chicago area Saturday detentions are called a breakfast club.

copy paste its too easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320530)

i can do ctrl+v a hundred times in seconds.

Everyone reading this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320588)

...should tweet "Malaysia sucks!" 100 times.

Cruel and unusual (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#36320604)

This just take the concept of 'cruel and unusual' punishment to a whole new level. I don't know what I would do if I was forced by a court to do something with twuter, would I live through that without horrific mental trauma? Unlikely.

Re:Cruel and unusual (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321164)

Considering the original offense was done over twitter, I am not sure you have much of a point.

Other than showing your maturity by purposely misspelling "twitter".

Re:Cruel and unusual (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321200)

Yes, my maturity must be calculated based on the way I spell the name of a business I personally find a waste of bandwidth. As to the rest of it - I am sorry, I failed with you, I tried make a joke, it didn't work, hope you do not begrudge me this failure for too long, are we square?

Re:Cruel and unusual (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321300)

Yes, my maturity must be calculated based on the way I spell the name of a business I personally find a waste of bandwidth. As to the rest of it - I am sorry, I failed with you, I tried make a joke, it didn't work, hope you do not begrudge me this failure for too long, are we square?

Take it easy Gramps, it's just an Internet troll trying to getting your goat... It's best just to ignore them, I hear they turn into line-noise in the sun.

Wait... was he seriously trying to imply your disdain for twitter implied less maturity?

Re:Cruel and unusual (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 3 years ago | (#36323582)

No, he implied that spelling something incorrectly deliberately is immature, and I would agree - it's easy to get your point across without resorting to that level of pettiness.

It's like all the "witty" commenters who spell Microsoft as "M$", as if they're providing insight by pointing out companies are legally bound to make a profit.

This sounds like a job for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36320608)

Anonymous

Interesting forms of punishment (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321076)

Could we please pass a bill so that all sorts of prisoners maintain Facebook redemption pages, tweet Gospel verses every day and recite the books of the Bible on YouTube?

I am confident that the thoughtful, kind, compassionate and caring comments of several thousand (if not million) followers would be much more beneficial to them than the lame standard rehabilitation activities. (It goes without saying that the convicts would be required to read all comments and reply to each and every one individually).

The difference between outsiders and insiders is that outsiders are doing it voluntarily and with great enthousiasm.

Re:Interesting forms of punishment (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36321660)

Could we please pass a bill so that all sorts of prisoners maintain Facebook redemption pages, tweet Gospel verses every day and recite the books of the Bible on YouTube?

I am confident that the thoughtful, kind, compassionate and caring comments of several thousand (if not million) followers would be much more beneficial to them than the lame standard rehabilitation activities.

Uh... As if forcing a Atheist like me to participate in anyone's religious campaign is not the very essence of cruel and unusual . I get your gist, but the method needs to be refined, there's that whole freedom of religion thing that gets in your way -- even if (esp. if) one takes such freedom to renounce all religions.

If you want me to respect your right to practice a religion, you'll have to respect other's rights to not do so.

Additionally -- I would simply quote the ugly parts of your scripture:

Numbers 31:7 [biblegateway.com]

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.

Deuteronomy 20:10 [biblegateway.com]

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 22:28 [biblegateway.com]

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Who's being punished?
::sigh:: I could do this for years.

To an atheist like myself: It's important to study all the worlds religions so I can relate to the way other people think -- and strike them to their core if needed.

Re:Interesting forms of punishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36322362)

Burn the Bible [bibleblaze.com]

Re:Interesting forms of punishment (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36328494)

Nice insights, but you got only the minor part of my 'gist".

My main point was that 'social networks' are the punishment for all of us, guilty and non-guilty, prisoners and "free" citizens. The lines are irrevocably blurred. For a recent example, just google 'Weinergate'.

And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36322102)

So my thought is, who the hell cares?

Sounds like mom washing your mouth out with soap, or making you say sorry.

Ridiculous.

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