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Asus To Ship Ubuntu 10.10 On Three Eee PC Netbooks

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the in-other-news-netbooks-still-exist dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Asus has announced that three Eee PCs will ship with Ubuntu Linux. Three 2011 models — the 1001PXD, 1011PX, and 1015PX — are immediately available, though no retailers seem to stock them yet. A Canonical exec had this to say about the new netbooks: 'There are a number of factors that make Ubuntu an attractive proposition for ASUS and its customers. Ubuntu continues to set the standard for slick design, ease of use and security, it is the world's third most popular operating system, and [it] has the most number of users in Linux. We [Canonical] were looking at publicly available data on the operating systems accessing Wikipedia last week and found the web site serves more pages to Ubuntu PCs than to iPads — there are a lot of users out there.' It might not be the same as Asus launching three flagship netbooks all running Ubuntu instead of Windows, but it's definitely a start. Asus says there are more Ubuntu netbooks to come later this year, too — hopefully they'll run Ubuntu 11.04."

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Excellent about time (1)

Shorty1911 (878896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333024)

Good article on how Linux is coming up.

Re:Excellent about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333252)

Yeah this has never been tried before by any manufacturers, especially with netbooks.

I bet people will love it and it will be a total success! This is the Year of Desktop Linux!

Re:Excellent about time (0)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333506)

Wrong. Netbooks have been shipped with Linux before. Wal-mart had them. I got mine on Amazon.

Re:Excellent about time (2)

nstach (1395835) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333668)

I am actually in shock. How is it even possible to miss the sarcasm here?

Re:Excellent about time (2)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333852)

This is Slashdot.

Re:Excellent about time (1)

RyuhoKudo (1911368) | more than 3 years ago | (#36334410)

whoosh

Retailers (1)

Niris (1443675) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333032)

Would love to see Best Buy carry these, but I can only imagine the torrent of customers we'd get trying to understand what something other than Windows is. Also hope they include a disc or flash drive with a Ubuntu installer on it for when it randomly decides to not load up anymore.

Re:Retailers (5, Insightful)

Gibbs-Duhem (1058152) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333148)

I dunno, they seem to manage fine with iOS and android. We're talking about netbooks, so the different form factor makes people intuitively not expect it to be *exactly* the same as what they've always used. And Unity is closer to looking like android/iOS than windows, which makes even more sense if the device is looking more like a phone than a desktop... although I definitely agree that not including Unity is an obvious choice. That stuff is just a disaster at present.

Re:Retailers (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333332)

It's not a different form factor, that's the thing, it's the same old notebook design that's been hit by a shrink-ray. I'm guessing that if they do sell them in Best Buy, there are going to be plenty of people complaining that the things on the screen of the little laptop look different to the big laptop.

Re:Retailers (2)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333472)

Unity isn't in 10.10. Good thing, because it sucks. I'm now using Mint.

Re:Retailers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333780)

In the couple of hours I spent playing with Unity, it looked like it might be a decent interface for a small-screen device like a tablet or netbook. It was too simplified for a proper desktop or laptop, so I switched back to Gnome, but it didn't quite strike me as a disaster. Of course, there might have been show-stoppers that I didn't play around long enough to see.

Re:Retailers (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333160)

Did you happen to have that sort of torrent with the Xoom or the Iconia Tab A500?

Re:Retailers (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333546)

Also hope they include a disc or flash drive with a Ubuntu installer on it for when it randomly decides to not load up anymore.

"Randomly" is a bit unfair. If Linux doesn't load, it's because of an update gone wrong or a hardware failure, just as it would on any other OS. But that falls on the user to ensure what is or isn't updated, which seems to be asking too much from many.

Re:Retailers (1)

quickOnTheUptake (1450889) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333946)

But that falls on the user to ensure what is or isn't updated, which seems to be asking too much from many.

Am I reading this right?
If I'm running sid, then sure, I should watch out for broken updates. But if I'm running a distro that doesn't brand itself as pre-testing and unstable, it isn't my job as user to monitor the updates for potential breakage. Rather, it is the distro's job to test its updates before it pushes them out for general consumption. I think it is asinine to suggest that the users of a stable distribution shuold need to check the stability of updates that are pushed by the distribution.

Re:Retailers (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333966)

It's Unix. Why are you molesting it all the time? Just leave it be.

Re:Retailers (4, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333960)

didn't BestBuy sign a deal with Microsoft (ExpertZone) putting Microsoft employees inside of BB for training and lots of the training was how to bash Linux and Macs? I wouldn't doubt there was also a contract section eliminating their ability to sell other operating systems, especially GNU/Linux based ones. Here is a good search to start with:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Microsoft+Best+buy+employee

Don't count on Best Buy carrying these or expect to keep getting it pulled from your hands by Best Buy employees shoving Microsoft at you.

LoB

Why worry? (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333038)

"Asus says there are more Ubuntu netbooks to come later this year, too — hopefully they'll run Ubuntu 11.04.""

Why worry? Its not like it takes too much time or effort to update to the next version. At least this way if people hate Unity they aren't forced to use it.

Re:Why worry? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333270)

People arn't "forced to use" unity if they hate it, you can still install and switch to KDE or Gnome (as i did when i upgraded from 10.10 ro 11.04), however i agree that the decision to use 10.10 is a good one as its very stable now, and ships with Gnome as opposed to Unity.

  (by this logis, 10.01 "forces" people to use Gnome who might want to use unity, eventhough its as simple as installing the approperate packages from the repositories.)

Re:Why worry? (2)

digsbo (1292334) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333290)

My wife's been using Ubuntu since 9.10. She's been basically happy with it, except for the few times she's had trouble getting mp3s from Amazon. But there's no way she'd know to switch the desktop, and I have told her not to upgrade to 11.04 to avoid dealing with it for the time being.

Re:Why worry? (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333610)

My home machine has been Ubuntu only since 8.04 and I upgraded to 11.04 without any problems.

Each user has their own desktop, mine uses Unity, my wife's is Gnome configured to look like WinXP and my 6 year old has a Gnome desktop with minimal menu for edutainment software, games and a locked down browser to visit Discovery Kids and Cartoon Network's sites.

We are very happy and everything works fine.

Re:Why worry? (1)

digsbo (1292334) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333860)

Thanks for the info. I had not had time to think about dealing with the upgrade to 11.04 (I only read there were some bumps w/ 11.04 and I never bothered customizing the user desktops before), but after reading your post, I might do it this weekend.

Re:Why worry? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333718)

She can't click on her login, then change the dropdown to something other than unity?

You might want to find a smarter wife.

Re:Why worry? (1)

digsbo (1292334) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333830)

What OS does your wife use?

Re:Why worry? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333968)

My live in girlfriend who has lived with me for over 5 years, been going out for about 11, runs 11.04 on her PC, and Android 2.3.3 (CM 7) on her Droid.

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36334142)

lol

Re:Why worry? (0)

digsbo (1292334) | more than 3 years ago | (#36334144)

She's been dating you for five years? You're lucky you don't have a smarter girlfriend.

Sorry to be a dick, but you're earlier comment invited it. Was there really a need to insult my Linux using wife? Show some manners.

Re:Why worry? (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36334178)

No, 11 years. We have been living together for a little over 5.
It's pretty clear your wife isn't the only dummy in your family.

Try a little reading comprehension.

Stop being a little girl and get over it. I actually think your wife is probably smart enough to use a drop down, you are just a jerk who underestimates her abilities.

Re:Why worry? (4, Insightful)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333312)

good god i hope they dont ship 11.04. Your average gnome 2.4 desktop is mildly understandable for joe sipack (especially once you move to just one panel, at the bottom), but unity is a fricking usability disaster. Once they ship eee's with 11.04, they will have a repeat of the original eee 701 on their hands, massive returns by clueless commoners unable to connect to their wireless and start ther browser.

i've tried installing 11.04 on my oldish laptop, and the thing is horribly unstable, and basicaly unusable, while old versions of ubuntu run without a hitch

Honestly, the first system i buy with ubuntu 11.04 pre-installed will have its drive wiped as if it were running vista

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333508)

WTF? Why are so many geeks always fostering and supporting the most lazy-assed retards on the planet?

Unity is a piece of shit, no doubt about it. But the Windows/Mac-like desktop concept is just a different piece of shit.
They are both mind-boggingly easy to use.

Seriously, if someone can't use them, the how the fuck is he getting up in the morning? How is he tying his shoes? Let alone drive a car?
I don't want to be *anywhere* close to such a person on a road. He's a deadly projectile.
And I can't even imagine the disaster of having such a "person" do a critical job for you. Like nurse/doctor, bridge engineer, fuel truck transporter, etc.

Efficiency is a good thing. But if you save so much work and skill, that it makes things *worse*, you're a lazy ass and are NOT entitled to any simplification or idiot padding.
So STOP doing that!

If Joe Sixpack can't even manage Unity or Windows, while a 3-year-old kid from a half-slum half-jungle place in the 3rd world doesn't even wonder if he can do it, but SIMPLY DOES IT, then Joe Sixpack is the next in line for a Darwin award, and SUPPOSED to fail at natural selection. It's SUPPOSED to be harder for him.
It's only because of spineless servants like you, that they even survive. So STOP IT. You're hurting us all!

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333550)

Actually, the 701 sold extremely well, and was so simple to use that many formerly non-computer users got one. They were aimed at young women, and did very well. The EeePCs only started slumping after they started shipping them with Windows, which was way too slow for the amount of RAM and the relatively slow CPU. Then people had to slow them down further with antivirus and antispyware software. I'd still be using my old 701 except for the small screen size. Instead I got a 10" screen Acer and put 10.10, and now 11.04 on it. I didn't know it was unusable, so I've been using it just fine. :-) I can understand why people like and dislike Unity, but it's easy enough to turn off and go with Gnome, if preferred. I think it's probably best for a touchscreen.

Re:Why worry? (2)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333674)

"Massive usability disaster" is an understatement. I tried lodging my complaints about 10.10 unity on the netbook and got shouted down on the official forums. 10.04 is nearly ideal, but 10.10 is slow as molasses and not at all intuitive or structured around getting things done in an expeditious manner. It's even more frustrating for "power users". I heard a rumor that Unity from 10.10 netbook edition was going to get rolled into a later desktop release. I hope not.

Re:Why worry? (1)

Homburg (213427) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333790)

11.04 has Unity in the desktop release (indeed, there's no longer a separate netbook edition), but it's a significant rewrite and, IMO, significantly better (certainly faster and more stable) than the 10.10 version of Unity.

Re:Why worry? (1)

iceaxe (18903) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333914)

Sorry to hear that you've had trouble. Personally, I've been quite pleased with Natty, especially since switching to xfce.

I like it so much that the next time I do a full OS install I'll be using Xubuntu. (Currently just running xfce on plain ol' Ubuntu, 11.04 upgraded from a fresh install of 10.10)

Do bear in mind, though, that I'm the sort who thinks a widescreen monitor is best used rotated 90 degrees because emacs works really great that way.

Re:Why worry? (1)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333456)

Why worry? Its not like it takes too much time or effort to update to the next version.

False. If there is one problem with Ubuntu, it is that upgrading from one version to another is completely broken, and ASUS would be better off not having too handle such problems.

If you are one of those few who have not had any problems, consider yourself lucky. However, it may be possible to ensure that it works properly for a limited set of laptops.

Re:Why worry? (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333528)

I only had a problem once with Kubuntu. Basically it crashed during upgrade and when it came back my mouse and keyboard wouldn't work. But everything got fixed when I chose 'update' again.

Never had problems otherwise over the past 3 years or so.

Re:Why worry? (1)

SchMoops (2019810) | more than 3 years ago | (#36334408)

How did you choose "update" without a keyboard or mouse? Tell me, Mr. Haedrian, what good is a phone call when you are unable to speak?

Re:Why worry? (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333616)

False, I have been updating from one version of Ubuntu to the next for at least 2 years, with minimal problems.

Re:Why worry? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333792)

False, I have been updating from one version of Ubuntu to the next for at least 2 years, with minimal problems.

Aside from the fact that upgrades take about six hours, the last time I upgraded my MythTV server the upgrade crashed part-way through and took some effort to fix. For the laptop and netbook I generally just copy /home to an external disk and then reinstall because it's faster and more reliable.

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36334088)

Then you got lucky. I upgraded to Gutsy (7.10) and it completely broke my install - wouldn't even get to the login screen. I was lucky I was dual-booting Windows so I could at least download a Feisty (7.04) disk to fix things.

No Ubuntu 11.04? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333040)

Since the Ubuntu 11.04 was released 2 months back before the announcement, bundling an obsolete OS isn't the smartest scheme to sell Linux notebooks, especially Ubuntu has no licensing cost. Sounds like M$ influence is at work...

Re:No Ubuntu 11.04? (2)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333268)

Wow no. I highly doubt it. It could be something to do with the fact that two months is just not enough for them to test Ubuntu 11.04, and that there are too many unresolved issues with Unity and Compiz.

What I am more worried about is, when 10.10 becomes obsolete or when 12.04 comes out, can ASUS or Canonical provide a seamless upgrade? As of now, the answer is no, you invariably end up breaking something.

Re:No Ubuntu 11.04? (2)

darkshadow88 (776678) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333420)

I suspect that most of the upgrade problems are caused by installing drivers that aren't in the official repositories. I have never had a problem with a system that had only packages from the repos installed. One of my machines has been upgraded in place, version by version, since 6.06; another, since 7.04; and others since 8.04, 8.10, and 9.10. All of them have been upgraded, version by version, to either 10.10 or 11.04 (and I even upgraded to alpha builds on one of those machines!), and not one of them has ever had a problem with the upgrade.

(One thing that all five of those machines have in common is nVidia graphics. I don't have any experience with upgrading a system that has Intel or ATI graphics, so maybe the upgrades aren't so smooth there.)

Re:No Ubuntu 11.04? (3, Insightful)

quantumplacet (1195335) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333278)

Thanks but no thanks for the FUD. In the off chance you are a retard and not a troll, please let me explain. It takes considerable time and effort to validate an OS for a piece of hardware. More than two months in fact. Asus has to offer support for these netbooks, so they cannot put an OS on it that has not been thoroughly tested on the hardware. When they started this task, 10.10 was the latest and greatest. Strangely enough, they decided not to start all over in the middle of the process simply because a new release came out. Also, it's pretty ridiculous to call 10.10 "obsolete". Non LTS Ubuntu releases go EoL after 18 months, so 10.10 will not be obsolete for another year.

Re:No Ubuntu 11.04? (1)

godrik (1287354) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333382)

"Also, it's pretty ridiculous to call 10.10 "obsolete". Non LTS Ubuntu releases go EoL after 18 months, so 10.10 will not be obsolete for another year."

Well, it is on its way straight to the graveyard. It will no longer be supported next april. If I was a retailler that do not already have some, I probably won't get any. It would be crazy to provide a laptop with an OS that won't even have 10 months of support by the distribution.

Re:No Ubuntu 11.04? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333372)

Either that or Unity influence is at work!

The Year of Linux on the Desktop (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333048)

I've got a feeling that 2011 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

My previous calculations based on random numbers in the Bible was off by about 5 years or so.

Re:The Year of Linux on the Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333070)

I've got a feeling that 2011 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

This will fit in nicely with Slashdot's former predictions of:

2010
2009
2008
2007
2006
2005
2004...

Re:The Year of Linux on the Desktop (3, Funny)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333564)

DNF is shipping. Anything can happen.

Re:The Year of Linux on the Desktop (5, Funny)

dslbrian (318993) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333186)

I've got a feeling that 2011 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

Yes, on Oct 21st the worthy Mac and Windows users will be raptured to a place where their old machines will be discarded and instead they will use Eee Books running Ubuntu. This will be a time of Unity.

The unworthy will be stuck using their Mac and Windows machines, or for the truly unworthy BSD.

Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1, Insightful)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333050)

It might all be fine again in a year's time, it was fine a year back, but plumping for Ubuntu just as they go their own way with Unity doesn't strike me as the best way of getting a slick Linux. (The same would go for a GNOME 3 distro right now, like Fedora.) I'd have been tempted to put on Linux Mint, Mandriva or openSuSE -- something accessible and slick enough, but likely to have a more stable user experience for a while...

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333206)

Ignore me. Reading which version they put on is useful before jumping in and commenting like an idiot.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

Lanteran (1883836) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333210)

They run ubuntu 10.10. No unity required.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333222)

Yeah, I've not been on Slashdot long but it's long enough to get out of the habit of even reading the summary, let alone the article...

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333296)

They're going to run it on netbooks, however, and the 10.10 netbook remix used Unity.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333498)

I've not used Unity on a netbook but what I've read gives me the impression that it's a bit less of a... culture shock, on a netbook. I'd imagine Asus tested it out and found that it was fine.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333728)

Unity on the netbook is pretty slow, clunky and unintuitive. It's sort of like they reverse-engineered the apple dock from a blurry, static screenshot and forgot to add smoothness and right click context menus, drag and drop functionality, etc. Someone way up the decision chain did someone a favor without reviewing it personally.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333910)

Hmmm. If that's so, then I read wrong. Glad I never tried it.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

Homburg (213427) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333522)

The Netbook Edition of 10.10 does use Unity. The 11.04 version of Unity is a pretty big change over the earlier version (for example, they changed from using Mutter in 10.10 to using Compiz in 11.04), and, IME, is much more stable.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333326)

Yeah, no, going their own way with Unity is pretty much the only they are ever going to get a "slick Linux".

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333462)

That may be true in the future - I'm willing to wait and see - but right now Unity isn't *that* slick. Neither is GNOME 3, by all accounts, though I've not tried it myself so I can't say. Unity might be great in a year's time (or even at 11.10) and if so, well, great. I'm not that wedded to KDE or XFCE... But right now it would seem a bit premature to plump for 11.04.

Fortunately for Asus, though not for me, I didn't actually read anything (even the *title*) and Asus went for 10.10, which is probably what a lot of people would have recommend they do if they really wanted Ubuntu...

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333846)

Yes, well, it sure isn't quite ready for primetime yet, but here we have it anyway. At least their bug tracker should get a workout.

Re:Pity they picked Ubuntu right now (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333918)

Yeah. I plan on trying it in November :)

10.10 (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333064)

10.10 is the right version to distribute ... 11.04 is (Unity aside) way too flaky to inflict of someone you wish to impress with the reliability of Linux. this is cool though ... I've been thinking for a while that Canonical should distribute their own line of hardware, perhaps 3 models of laptop at various levels of power and price, similar to the Apple model, but cheaper, and open. This would get around some of the problems people run into with unusual, unsupported wireless and video cards. If done right, it could probably pull off marketing it as a bit of an upscale laptop.

Re:10.10 (4, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333140)

I'd suggest 10.04 LTS. 10.10 is going to EOL too soon.

Re:10.10 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333170)

10.04 is a better choice for ASUS as it will be supported until April 2013. 10.10's support ends a year earlier.

Re:10.10 (1)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333404)

10.04 is the right version 10.10 has shutdown issues with eeepc I have a 1015pem ans the sound system prevents shutdowns. see here [ubuntu.com] I did not have this issue with 10.04 I was hoping that 11.04 would fix it.

Re:10.10 (3, Informative)

wile_e8 (958263) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333500)

I've been thinking for a while that Canonical should distribute their own line of hardware, perhaps 3 models of laptop at various levels of power and price, similar to the Apple model, but cheaper, and open. This would get around some of the problems people run into with unusual, unsupported wireless and video cards. If done right, it could probably pull off marketing it as a bit of an upscale laptop.

You mean like System76 [system76.com] ? I guess it's not run by Canonical, but they are Ubuntu partners [system76.com] .

Re:10.10 (2)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333836)

I don't know about 10.10 being the right version... my Broadcom 43xx b/g/n in my laptop only runs at 2Mbs (let me emphasize that is 2 mega BITS) after I upgraded to 10.10 - it had been working fine before that and if I boot Windoze it works fine in that too....

Hopefully they WON'T run Ubuntu 11.04 (2)

wall0645 (1665631) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333088)

Don't want to turn people off of Linux.

Re:Hopefully they WON'T run Ubuntu 11.04 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333182)

It's only the old-timers that hate Unity, in my experience, so I don't think that this'll be a problem.

I do remember when running Linux on my last netbook, even Gnome2 was a little heavy for it, so I ended up going with Openbox. Hardware should have gotten a bit faster since then, though.

Asus shipping Linux again? I know what that means! (5, Insightful)

Zerth (26112) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333090)

Microsoft must have been late with its kickback check this quarter. I hope the check isn't already in the mail, otherwise these won't be available for long.

Re:Asus shipping Linux again? I know what that mea (2)

kbob88 (951258) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333138)

Microsoft must have been late with its kickback check this quarter.

Where is that funny & insightful mod button when you need it?

Re:Asus shipping Linux again? I know what that mea (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333680)

No, you misunderstand.

They're shipping it on exactly three netbooks, not three netbook MODELS.

I hope I get one of the three... I'd hate to be the fourth buyer and have to pay the MS tax...

Re:Asus shipping Linux again? I know what that mea (-1, Troll)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333684)

Microsoft must have been late with its kickback check this quarter. I hope the check isn't already in the mail, otherwise these won't be available for long.

and if sales tank. what will your excuse be then?

Sounds nice (5, Insightful)

mmcuh (1088773) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333104)

If I got one I would most likely install Debian on it, but if they make it work smoothly with Ubuntu it will probably be easy to make it work smoothly with Debian as well. And it would be nice to not have to pay the Microsoft tax, even if it's not much cheaper. Hell, it would be nice even if they are more expensive as long as Microsoft isn't getting any of it.

Re:Sounds nice (2)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333558)

most OEMs pay MS per unit shipped, no per unit with windows installed.

You'll pay for windows, even if you do not get it

One of the reason is called th MS "tax"

Re:Sounds nice (3, Interesting)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 3 years ago | (#36334256)

most OEMs pay MS per unit shipped, no per unit with windows installed.

That practice was, as I understand it, supposed to have ended in 1994. There have been allegations that it continues, but no whistleblowers have come forward with a smoking gun, which is pretty impressive, given the number of people that would have had to be privy to such agreements over the years.

These days, I believe, they rely on financial incentives tied to adware and trial-versions of software to be bundled with OEM releases of Windows, to offset the cost of Windows itself and remove the incentive OEMs might have to offer cheaper (e.g. free) OSes as an alternative. The result is: Microsoft is happy because they're still getting paid, even if it's by ISVs instead of directly by the OEMs, and because they get to promote their other products; the OEMs are happy because they're paying less for the OS; and ISVs are happy because they're getting a very cost-effective form of advertising. The only losers are the customers who now get machines clogged with adware and free-trialware that they may have no interest in, and other OS vendors who can no longer compete on price, even if that price is zero.

This is where it gets interesting: if Ubuntu can start making enough money off of their partnership deals with companies like Amazon and Google, they may be able to start paying OEMs for including Ubuntu instead of Windows. Hence, I suspect, Ubuntu's recent controversial moves regarding Banshee.

Ubuntu on EeeBox is great (1)

kbob88 (951258) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333126)

Great that they're switching to Ubuntu. I've got Ubuntu running on a little Asus EeeBox in the kitchen for the past two years. It came with some Asus-branded version of Linux that was terrible; but I dumped that right away for Ubuntu. It works great; never had any problems. It's a nice, small box, humming away under the cabinet, connected to a monitor mounted on the wall. My wife and kids use it primarily for email and web stuff, and play music on it. None of them have ever complained about Ubuntu or asked how to use it. I'm not sure my wife even knows it's not MacOS or Windows...

About Time... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333128)

The original Linux EEE PCs ran the most god-awful distro imaginable. For reasons I cannot fathom, they had Xandros puke out a sick abortion of the usual Xandros desktop(itself more or less a sick abortion of Debian) just for them. It was painfully bad, partially broken, and basically disconnected from repositories that ever received any actual updates.

Re:About Time... (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333388)

The original Linux EEE PCs ran the most god-awful distro imaginable.

It had to fit in 2GB of file space, and still have something left for users. But I agree that it sucks. I have several EeePC 2G Surf machines, obtained cheaply from a failed startup company. I use them to run some embedded system demos, where all that runs is one Python application. The biggest problem is that the WiFi driver is flaky. The second biggest problem is that the "union" file system, which makes one read-only file system and one read-write file system appear to be a single pathname space, leaks inodes, and has to be flushed out occasionally.

The problem with Asus is that they can't be trusted as a Linux vendor. They've had on again, off again Linux support for years.

Shouldn't cost them much to offer the option. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333192)

I'm already running Xubuntu 10.10 on my Asus 1015T. It was the easiest Linux install I've ever done. Nothing needed to be tweaked to get sound, wifi, or video working. I only had to add myself to the pulse groups to get Skype working smoothly.

Unity was utterly heinous, however. I used it for less than a day before my frustration with the user interface lag brought me back to XFCE. I do have to say that an ultra-light version of the Unity dock -- with less glitz and more configuration options -- would be pretty killer.

SSD versions? (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333200)

Where are the models with SSD? Why did they stop making/shipping those?

Re:SSD versions? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333232)

People stopped buying them, just like they stopped buying the ones with the 9" screen. It's a shame, I loved my tiny SSD-based netbook.

Re:SSD versions? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333586)

I think they stopped making them when most netbooks switched to being shipped with XP. I believe XP requires quite a lot more space than a Linux install, so most of the netbooks started shipping with 120 GB hard disks. As usual, I may be wrong, or at least have my timing off on the change.

Re:SSD versions? (0)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333998)

A 120G is useful for more than just the OS install. It's also handy for data.

If a machine is under-spec'ed it will likely do poorly regardless of what OS you put on it.

I got a couple of the original netbooks off of woot for yuks and the keyboard is painful to use (but not too bad) but the storage is just too meagre.

The screen is also a bit tiny. This is an area where the whole tablet (or hybrid) thing makes a lot of sense. More screen, smaller over all footprint.

Re:SSD versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333448)

I think consumers who value the advantages of a SSD in a carry-around device are a very small subset of the netbook market. Many people now use netbooks as a primary, or even only computer. And for those consumers, 16GB simply won't do.

Great if you don't want to pay the tax. (2)

jijacob (943393) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333212)

Even if you don't run Ubuntu, it will be nice to get the same hardware for less money. It drives me crazy when I try to buy a laptop, and there is no option to purchase it sans OS. This way even if your favorite flavor is not Ubuntu, at least you won't be paying for an OS you don't plan on using.

Odd comparisons... (1)

yarnosh (2055818) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333302)

There are a number of factors that make Ubuntu an attractive proposition for ASUS and its customers. Ubuntu continues to set the standard for slick design

Compared to what? Windows XP? I'm pretty sure nobody is looking to Linux to get design ideas. OS X sets the standard for clean, polished design, IMNSHO. Windows 7 next if you care about translucency. It is still pretty obvious that Linux is primarily created by programmers, though it has gotten better over the years. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that you shouldn't let us design interfaces. In an ideal work environment, I would be paired with a designer who knows his shit. Well, unless I'm doing backend coding.

ease of use and security, it is the world's third most popular operating system

Depends, are we counting mobile devices? Because I think then Linux woudl take 5th if not 6th. Unless you count Android as Linux, but I don't think that's quite right. Just like iOS isn't OS X. Must be marketing or PR department making these statements.

Anyway, I thought netbooks could already be had with linux pre-installed? Or are those just people who wipe Windows XP and install themselves?

Re:Odd comparisons... (1)

nickb64 (1885128) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333496)

I think all the netbooks w/ Linux preinstalled got killed off pretty quickly since people mostly returned them.

The only place I know of that you might be able to get a preinstalled Linux netbook still is someplace like system76 or whatever it's called, that site that sells Ubuntu preinstalled machines

Yawn (0)

jaeric (1446553) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333304)

Another story about Linux on retail hardw....zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Yeah, but why not just get the Windows license? (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333310)

it's free. You usually don't get any discount on the Linux netbooks & nettops...

Re:Yeah, but why not just get the Windows license? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333406)

if only laptops came with a real windows CD and license key. doesn't seem to be the norm.

Re:Yeah, but why not just get the Windows license? (2)

mmcuh (1088773) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333446)

Because the Windows licence funds Microsoft stunts like SCO?

Re:Yeah, but why not just get the Windows license? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333992)

Same reason I don't pick up after my neighbor's dog. Just because crap's free doesn't mean I want it.

Eee PC hardware is Linux friendly (1)

eric31415927 (861917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333478)

I'm on my second Eee PC now. The first was a 701 (7" screen). The second is a 1001P (10" screen).
The hardware has been well supported in the various kernels because the Eee PC's were popular and ASUS was onside.
The hardest part of sourcing a new Linux-flavoured laptop used to be ensuring that all the hardware worked out of the box.
It was often best to install a Linux-flavour on an older laptop to help ensure all the hardware worked.
However, older laptops had used-battery issues and, of course, older hardware.
I welcome these new Linux-friendly laptops.
Hopefully other corporations will join the bandwagon.

Three (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36333504)

Three netbooks? Sounds like an attempt to make all of them sell fast.

I've been running it on a 1001 for 15 months (2)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333938)

I've been running UNR on a 1001p for a year and a bit now and it's fairly flawless. Respectably quick for a wee machine like that, odd-but-nice navigation, and stable with one exception: if it's running under the effects-laden UNR interface then X will sometimes fall over. It's happened maybe 20 times since I've had it - unsure as to the source, but my first total guess would be something between the nVidia driver and Ubuntu. The wireless took a bit of fiddling to get working too, but no huge hassle, just a couple of installations. I'm hoping that the combination of a newer OS than I'm running plus an in-house build will sort both issues out.

If you're not a fan of the Unity interface (and I get the impression I'm in the minority by liking it) you can easily just boot into good-old-gnome, but given the screen size I never bother. Battery life is a solid 6 hours without being particularly careful (wireless on, screen bright, playing videos with the sound on), dropping to about 4 hours after a year and three months of daily use.

Cracking machine for the money, and Ubuntu sits very nicely on top. My initial review of it is here: Asus 1001p review [blogspot.com]

Running and Asus1001p with UNR (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333986)

I've been running UNR on a 1001p for a year and a bit now and it's fairly flawless. Respectably quick for a wee machine like that, odd-but-nice navigation, and stable with one exception: if it's running under the effects-laden UNR interface then X will sometimes fall over. It's happened maybe 20 times since I've had it - unsure as to the source, but my first total guess would be something between the nVidia driver and Ubuntu. The wireless took a bit of fiddling to get working too, but no huge hassle, just a couple of installations. I'm hoping that the combination of a newer OS than I'm running plus an in-house build will sort both issues out. If you're not a fan of the Unity interface (and I get the impression I'm in the minority by liking it) you can easily just boot into good-old-gnome, but given the screen size I never bother. Battery life is a solid 6 hours without being particularly careful (wireless on, screen bright, playing videos with the sound on), dropping to about 4 hours after a year and three months of daily use. Cracking machine for the money, and Ubuntu sits very nicely on top. My initial review of it is here: Asus 1001p review [blogspot.com]

Re:Running and Asus1001p with UNR (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36333994)

Sigh...something bugged out. "My initial review of it is here: Asus 1001p review [blogspot.com] "

Microsoft Sues Canonical For Patent Infringement (1)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 3 years ago | (#36334198)

Film at 11. Or maybe they'll use another surrogate, like SCO.

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