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China Calls US Culprit In Global 'Internet War'

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the cyberwar-of-aggression dept.

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On Wednesday we discussed news of Google's accusation that sources originating in China were interfering with Gmail using malware and phishing techniques, targeting Chinese political activists, US government officials, military personnel, and others. In response to the accusations, a Chinese official denied government involvement in the attacks, while the US government indicated they would investigate the matter. The attacks were more sophisticated than a typical phishing attempt, they involved Yahoo and Hotmail as well, and they have likely been going on for months. Now, according to a CBS report, "The Chinese military accused the US on Friday of launching a global 'Internet war' to bring down Arab and other governments, redirecting the spotlight away from allegations of major online attacks on Western targets originating in China."

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Wag the... (1)

Ardx (954221) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333818)

Panda?

Re:Wag the... (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333894)

Both are supreme villains.

It would be nice if something NEW happened (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36336064)

Sorry for violating Godwin's law, but, after all, 60 years ago Hitler accused the US of treating Jews inhumanely. This seems to be done in the same spirit. Oh right, 70 years by now. I'm getting old.

They say the world has changed. Then again, they say the earth is flat too.

Re:Wag the... (0, Troll)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333930)

Looking at the Chinese is like looking at the Scientologists. This could also be applied to the Iranians, or to many other dictatorial regimes composed of blowhards, up to and including the modern US Republicans/TeePartiers.

Whenever they start accusing someone else of something, assume either (a) they're doing it themselves or (b) they're doing something far worse and trying to draw attention away from it.

You may also safely assume (c), if they're not doing it themselves they wish they were.

Re:Wag the... (1)

teslafreak (684543) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334010)

Democrat right? BOTH parties are screwed up. Equally too.

Re:Wag the... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334066)

No.

Don't fall for the Demos-do-it-too meme. It's a bite-sized and oft-repeated factable to reassure people that it's ok to ignore reality.

Sure they aren't perfect but they aren't even on the same plane of existence in regards to big lie mantra, and general denial of reality politics.

Re:Wag the... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334130)

I'm not a democrat, but I agree that the republicans and tea partiers are far more disingenuous and evil than the democrats.

And that's coming from a conservative libertarian.

Re:Wag the... (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334414)

I don't see enough relevant difference between Republicans and Democrats to call this farce a two party system.
Freedom gone. Money gone. Motivation gone. We're panda food.

This is coming from a plain old garden variety libertarian.

           

Re:cession (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | more than 2 years ago | (#36335460)

I was pondering today, as I was putting in a couple square rods of tomatoes, that we haven't really had the big famine yet around here, so all of this -out of work/fuel/money stuff is just an artificial construct being imposed on us by the same paper money/alternate reality crew that has been presenting this show all along. Reality-based lifestyles are really going down the tubes pretty fast though; Aside from the deforestation/climate change, Fracking and Mountaintop Removal are really fucking up our fresh water resources. All this squabbling is just petty compared to any one of the real disasters that are occurring. Take your pick, Topsoil/Water/Air, it's coming. Weird new fungi, plankton bloom, the inevitable coming oil spill in ANWR {Drill, Baby, Drill}.
I don't think we need to worry about China.

Re:cession (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 2 years ago | (#36336840)

Are the tomatoes right next to jalepenos ,onions and cilantro? Nothing clears gloom and doom like homebrew picante sauce.

Not worried about mountains, they can top them, force just keeps pushing them up.
At some point the earth was a mess of minerals and chemicals before we showed up, yet, we showed up and thrived.

I'm not going to worry a whole f**king lot about the food thing either. When we quit paying subsidies to farmers to grow nothing or worse, plant on unarible or flood prone ground, year after year,season after season, then collect fed subsidized insurance and subsidies, then shit will change. Farmers who are actually worth a shit will go back to actually working and producing food. Responsible farming will return and the dunderheads will end up selling land and working for actual farmers as is the proper way in nature and business.

I'm not going to worry about the oil. We have plenty without even involving the UAE. Here come the electric vehicles, solar and other powers. We have plenty of oil for lubing moving parts. I'm beginning to do my own homebrew energy anyway.
Fungi? Plankton? Nature doesn't make mistakes, don't forget our species evolves relevantly ,probably quicker than any other species. Those that don't are on their way off the radar anyway.

I'm not going to worry about China.
I replace worry with planning in all cases. I encourage others less talented than myself to worry about China, it keeps the dialog open.

Re:Wag the... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334192)

Democrat right? BOTH parties are screwed up. Equally too.

This isn't a general indictment of the party, but an observation of one particular characteristic and for this one, the republican party wins hands down. For example, it is the republican party that has a straight-laced anti-gay agenda but has had plenty of leaders come out of the closet (some willingly, most not).

The closest thing you could compare that to with the democratic party is probably support for "green" while doing ungreen things, like Gore's heating and electric bills. But even then it isn't a "do as I say, not as I do" situation - in Gore's case he pays extra for carbon-offset credits (a decidedly free-market solution to the problem).

Re:Wag the... (5, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334056)

It's called psychological projection. You will find that the bulk of this mindset makes up a disproportional amount of ideologs. For every conservative that you name, I can name an american liberal. No need to get into a pissing contest here.

Re:Wag the... (2)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334170)

"many other dictatorial regimes composed of blowhards, up to and including the modern US Republicans/TeePartiers."

"Whenever they start accusing someone else of something, assume either (a) they're doing it themselves or (b) they're doing something far worse and trying to draw attention away from it."

Well played, sir. The irony is deafening...

Re:Wag the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334920)

What a bunch of crap:

The US didn't demand Cisco and other big players put in backdoors so the US could get names and activities of dissidents so those folk would disappear and wake up in pieces, Larry Niven style.

The US doesn't hack Chinese businesses day and day out ruthlessly.

The US doesn't have sanctioned and funded agents who write malware just to infect Chinese computers for profit.

The US doesn't take Chinese corporate execs and say that they will be handing all over their trade secrets, or they, and anyone else on US soil will get arrested on some criminal act and wind up the "guests" of a chinese prison camp for 20+ years.

Expect more of this; China is starting to rattle its saber and want to become a military power and not just a trade king.

This is gonna be good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36333838)

Things are about to get very interesting

Hilarious (4, Insightful)

gubers33 (1302099) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333854)

China got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and immediately creates a story about the US playing foul on the internet whether it is true or not, the only reason it was released by them is to avoid attention. China is not going to be able to avoid this they have been in the midst of internet controversy for the past few years from Green Dam software (Great Firewall of China) being created from stolen source code, to hacking Google and other countries to this newest event. They need to figure out if you start poking around in someone's backyard who has more advanced systems they are going to find out soon or later.

Re:Hilarious (3, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333868)

News and historical revisionism is all part of the CCP's modus operandi. To them, it's one of many tools to control society and socially architect a future generation mindset.

Re:Hilarious (-1, Troll)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333956)

So, they're sort of like the GOP without any opposition?

Re:Hilarious (3, Interesting)

sl3xd (111641) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334000)

Extremists on any part of the political spectrum use the same tactic; whether liberal, conservative, or libertarian.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

North Korea lives by this standard...

Re:Hilarious (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334204)

Uhh...everyone lives by that standard...

If you think there is some true reality out there that people of a different ideological ilk than yours are ignorant of, you're just rejecting their reality and substituting your own. You can not perceive the world around you without personal bias.

You, sir, are guilty of classic us vs them thinking.

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334048)

Hail Reagan!

Re:Hilarious (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334112)

Worse yet they're more efficient that the Repubmocrats here. Billary Clinton has handed off the socialist baton to Crackrok Obama who have done both their parts to architect a future generation mindset.( Kids R Suckerz). Badly enough though, its been going on since at least President Wilson and as social correct consciouslessness rises freedoms dissapear altogether, taken a little piece at a time. Think about it, Socialist Scientologist Democrat gave us the last huge screwing on Copyright in the name of the almighty Mouse. Thankfully he was ASSassinated by a patriotic tree on a ski slope.
Don't let 'em fool you kid, you were born and bred in the U.S.S.A.

Go back and read the founding documents, the writings of the founders, see their intent for yourself, then you can see where the supreme court got good and F**KING corrupt. Just take a lookee at their "analysis and interpretation of the constitution" after you see what you're getting suckered out of. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/index.html [gpoaccess.gov]

To answer your question, they're like our government but with a stronger hold on the people.

Think of it like the old adage about how to cook a frog.
You put froggy in a pot of water, but build the fire slowly.
The frog won't even notice he's done for until it is too late.
China is an old recipe for frog soup.
The U.S. just thinks this is a relaxing spa so far.

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334244)

Kook alert

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334428)

wow, a post full of half-witticisms, random platitudes, seemingly significant use capitalization, and non-sequiturs. Is that you, NRADude?

Re:Hilarious (1)

aywang31 (2078102) | more than 2 years ago | (#36335586)

The Chinese government is also very adept at showmanship. Wait till the next time that the US and Taiwan agree to another arms sale. The PRC only does stuff dead quiet (like the J-20 stealth fighter) or really loudly.

Re:Hilarious (-1, Troll)

arbiter1 (1204146) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333886)

My home connection, I will see random connection attempts on the default SSH ports, and i am sure its same for mostly everyone here and its pretty easy to guess where the server is located doing 99% of the attempt's. When you look back they even hijacked the internet and forced routing through their country so its not hard to believe they are Full of S and trgin to shift blame.

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36333962)

Looks like there is trouble brewing at home, maybe that is why the misdirection? Google "china government bombings"... plenty of people there unhappy with corruption at the moment.

Re:Hilarious (0, Troll)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334068)

The moral pygmy pissants running China now know that if enough people get upset, they're history, and nothing under heaven and earth will save them. I bet they see their property bubble bursting, and I bet (and hope) they're shit scared. This stupid propaganda just shows they see the handwriting on the wall.

Re:Hilarious (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334296)

++

I can't wait for China to have a PMS moment and create their own internet. My SSH server will thank them. They can take the Koreas with them, as well as the old Russian Federation...

Re:Hilarious (1)

dunng808 (448849) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334080)

What do we call this new Cold War? The Even Colder War? The Cyburr War? The Big Chill ... no, that's taken. The China Sindrome? Too obscure?

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334358)

Cold war. Hah, that's rich. Would there even have been a Cold War, if Russia was fronting all of America's debt?
No, I'm afraid you will have to find a better way out of your financial obligations than that. Ante up.

Re:Hilarious (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334554)

It seemed to work fine with Russia owing the US [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334956)

Yeah, because WW2 was a really "cold war" and aiding the allies prior to an actual declaration of war, that is totally relevant.
And, frankly, just indulging your argument for a second, consider that the USSR's way of life was utterly dismantled, based on the circumstance you are drawing a parallel to. "Fine"? About as fine as American finances.
I say we call this new era "The Neverending Repayment Program".

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36336352)

Cyberia War :D

Re:Hilarious (1)

Korveck (1145695) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334454)

This is not the first time China got caught conducting espionage of this sort. But US has no means to deter China from continuing. At best the States Department will complain about it, and a war of words ensues until the story dies down.

No one outside China takes the Chinese media's views seriously as the media outlets are clearly controlled, or at least tightly watched over, by the government. It does not matter though. Their intended audiences are the Chinese citizens who listen to them daily. Only a very small portion of the citizens actually get news from outside. The Chinese media just have to spin the story around so that US is the true villain in this internet war game, that Google is secretly helping the evil empire of US. As long as the Chinese think their government is in the right, that's mission accomplished.

Re:Hilarious (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334816)

The US basically advertised the fact they were creating an cyber warfare unit whose purpose was attacking other countries infrastructure not defence. The government of China pointing this out is hardly revelatory.

The easiest way to deal with this, is to treat incoming data as a product export from the country of origin. If the exported data contains malicious content, the costs caused by that malicious content simply need to be calculated and a fine applied to the country of origin, upon the event and it's source being legally substantiated. It would then be up to the country of origin to recover those costs from the actual offenders.

Failure to agree with this system of agreed controls, substantiated by treaties, should result in data export restrictions being placed upon that country.

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334948)

I really don't want laws like that. It means that China would just use a victim country for its origin of attacks.

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335700)

The easiest way to deal with this, is to treat incoming data as a product export from the country of origin. If the exported data contains malicious content, the costs caused by that malicious content simply need to be calculated and a fine applied to the country of origin, upon the event and it's source being legally substantiated.

Now, now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions! Look guy, you just can't come back to us now years later asking for money.

But in all seriousness, this is a ridiculously stupid idea. What you're proposing would require all countries to pervasively monitor all internet traffic that extends beyond their national boundaries - this results in pervasive deep packet inspection (fyi, we here in civilized countries still consider DPI to be a gross violation of our right to privacy in our papers and person, something you Americans once knew a little about as I recall). Failing to implement DPI would leave nations open to direct financial attack through the use of botnets, so again only the poor countries would lose out and we end up with a pervasive police state. Is that really you Director Gen Keith B. Alexander?

Re:Hilarious (2)

gilbert644 (1515625) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334536)

Funniest part is that the Chinese government is so fascist that they don't recognize that claiming American involvement in the overthrow of dictators is actually pro-American.

Re:Hilarious (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#36336328)

Actually I think it is you guys who don't realise that meddling in another country's affairs is anti-American. The Arab Spring started with the people in those countries, not with America invading or enforcing sanctions etc. Okay, Facebook and Twitter played their part, but the revolution came from the people.

Even if the country you invade is "evil" like Iraq under Saddam or Afghanistan under the Taliban that doesn't make America the good guys, at least not in the eyes of many in the Arab and Asian worlds (yes, Afghanistan is in Asia and the people there are Asians). Just because we think it is a just cause and the right thing to do doesn't change the fact that it looks like we go to other countries and use our military to further our own agendas.

Re:Hilarious (1)

jcarr (20735) | more than 2 years ago | (#36336980)

I'd love that happens in the future, but historically America has overthrown democracies in favor of dictators many times. There are a whole bunch, but here are two:

1953 Iranian coup d'état [wikipedia.org]
1973 Chilean coup d'état [wikipedia.org]

In fairness, the american constitution allows us to talk about this history whereas in China, maybe not so much.

Re:Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335674)

Immediately creates a story about the US.... HEY, they are copy cats! In the land of Hollywood, surely you guys have "created" stories too.. YES.... yes you have.

Fuck Google (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36333856)

Fuck Google

Safe-Mail.net & Tor = better solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36333862)

Why use Gmail when you can use Safe-Mail.net through Tor with SSL during the entire session?

Re:Safe-Mail.net & Tor = better solution (3, Insightful)

petteyg359 (1847514) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333948)

Because I can use SSL with Gmail, and I trust Google more than I trust some random mail server I've never heard of. Also, safe-mail advertises 3Mb (I seriously hope they're just idiots and are actually offering 3MB, because 375KB isn't going to last long for anybody who actually uses their email account. 3MB isn't going to last long, either.). Gmail currently gives me almost 8GB.

If I'm really concerned about privacy, I can use one of my many email accounts on my own server. Then again, are you sure that all the intermediary servers your mail goes through are using SSL?

Re:Safe-Mail.net & Tor = better solution (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334568)

Then again, are you sure that all the intermediary servers your mail goes through are using SSL?

Of course they are! In fact, I did a geo-location on one of the computers I'm connected to through TOR and it looks like it's a pretty secure one in the Chinese government! If you can't trust them, who can you trust? See, TOR is a great idea for safe web access!

Never a leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36333888)

China will NEVER be a leader of the free world as the US is, first and foremost because Chinese are alien to freedom itself, the only world China will be leading is the world subjugated but its secret police and that's how far it can go.

Re:Never a leader (4, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333904)

As it currently stands, China may become the leader of the world, but most certainly it will not be one of freedom.

Re:Never a leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334024)

China can never become "leader" in a world as openly prejudiced as ours.

Re:Never a leader (2)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334050)

The world will be as prejudiced as it likes against tyrants, thieves and murderers.

Re:Never a leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334312)

Then the world will be at war, because the western man will not accept the asian man as his superior.

Its not China bashing if its true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334252)

China can never become "leader" in a world as openly prejudiced as ours.

As the book Death by China [deathbychina.com] says: Its not China bashing if its true, same for prejudice. FWIW, the book is written by a well known economics professor and has gotten praise from both the political left and right, well US political left and right that is. The forward is written by a survivor of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, another endorsement comes from a former member of China's state security. So it offers more than a US perspective.

Re:Never a leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334510)

yea ok, china pisses someone off enough to stop trading with them and they loose like 90% of their GDP overnight, other than "willing slaves", they have nothing to offer the world

Re:Never a leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335382)

You have believed that you are living in freedom? How about Bankers, capitalists, CIA and multiple agencies and cruel police in your country. What are they doing?

Re:Never a leader (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#36335490)

Being the leader of the free world isn't worth shit other than warm n' fuzzies, being the leader of the economic world is what counts, and subjugation is more profitable than freedom. Imagine in the US if all regulation were rolled back to 1800s levels and you still had all this modern technology and knowledge. That's China. Foxconn is an example of a 21st century company town. Sucks to be an Average Joe in China but it looks damn good on the quarterly statements.

China did it. (2)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333944)

Ok.

* Various political interests that China wants to kill off are targeted.
* The US military is targeted.
* The US government (outside of the military) is targeted.
* A company that left China out of concerns for it being used as an attack platform was targeted.
* The rest of the evidence points to China's red hands being all over this.

The only answer worth giving to the Chinese government: ä½æ''èZï¼

Re:China did it. (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334614)

The only answer worth giving to the Chinese government: ä½æ''èZï¼

I agree, we should punish them by making the entire internet reliant on ASCII instead of an internationally compliant Unicode system!

Ok, so it mangled the unicode. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334746)

The only message worth giving in reply to the Chinese government: NÇ zhÃge piÃnzi!

(yes, it's translated output of "You liar!", in phonetic)

The Chinese Communist Party... (1, Flamebait)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333958)

are a fucking disgrace, and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

These rather stupid and outlandish statements will get them nowhere. Nobody is going to believe what they're saying.

They must be on drugs to think that the US supporting people in exercising their natural human impulses to be free, is a "war against China". That's some seriously demented shit.

China's constant spying and aggression can't go unpunished. We cannot continually let the CCP thieves and tyrants steal our technology and oppress their own people. There MUST be serious consequences for China, otherwise they'll get more bold and aggressive -- the worse for us. I would go as far as to say that military force can be justified -- China cannot be allowed to believe that they can get away with what they're doing.

Re:The Chinese Communist Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334078)

Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering.

There is no reason to engage China militarily when we haven't cleaned up our mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Libya. Another military conflict would be economically and socially disastrous for the US. I'm convinced that China would destroy us quickly if we tried.

Re:The Chinese Communist Party... (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334380)

Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering Warmongering.

There is no reason to engage China militarily when we haven't cleaned up our mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Libya. Another military conflict would be economically and socially disastrous for the US. I'm convinced that China would destroy us quickly if we tried.

technically, by staying in Afghanistan and Iraq we provide China with free military coverage of sea lanes and easy resource extraction from those countries without them having to pay for it (or at least loan us the money at interest to pay for it) - if we were serious we'd bring our troops home from both wars and let China provide it's own military resources to extract it's own cheap resources, instead of us paying for it.

Re:The Chinese Communist Party... (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334648)

I'm convinced that China would destroy us quickly if we tried.

Either you are not in any way familiar with our relative military strengths, or you are trying to make a very absurd joke.

Not only do we have almost immeasurable technical superiority, enormously more capable and well trained troops and an order of magnitude more depth of strategic intelligence on their military than they have on ours, but our forces all actually want to fight for our country. China's only hope is either to continue milking us until we ruin ourselves financially (which is much further off than you might imagine), or to support a radical third party who would do something stupid and get themselves slaughtered to weaken us (like, say, Iran or North Korea).

Re:The Chinese Communist Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335376)

And with whose money are you paying said troops and buying said weapons?

Hmmmm?

Re:The Chinese Communist Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335446)

You have been watching too much Rembo films lately? US army has not been able to eliminate Taliban (only tens of thousands) or insurgency in Iraq. US cannot attack China unless it is prepared for millions of deaths.

Re:The Chinese Communist Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334268)

Considering China is effectively financing the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, how do you propose to
a) finance the misadventure
b) maintain supply chains when China makes all your stuff?

Answers??

The US is only interested in wars it can sustain to maintain its massive military-industrial-security complex. An actual war, with an actual adversary. Well thats just crazy talk.

Wait a minute... (2)

bl4nk (607569) | more than 2 years ago | (#36333964)

I've personally been noticing a lot of suspSuí zhe yídòng dào zhèl kàn dào shénme

Business as usual in Beijing: (4, Insightful)

Hartree (191324) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334008)

Google traces targeted gmail password trawling attacks to China.

Reaction?

The "independent" (and presumably "fair and balanced") Global Times calls Google "snotty nosed". The equally "independent" Xinhua News Agency says that the acusation that China was behind the gmail phishing was "evil intentioned".

The Chinese military ups the ante and accuses the US of an undeclared cyber war on the whole world.

In other news, the Reichstag still appears to be vaguely smoldering.

Re:Business as usual in Beijing: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335278)

Sounds to me like somebody's looking for a fight. The only reason to instigate the first punch is a planned counterattack.

Regardless of China does or does not. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334022)

The gullibility of the american public never ceases to amaze me.

I swear to god, the next US president should be the damn kool aid mascot.

Re:Regardless of China does or does not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334376)

Now that would have been a video. Osama sleeping in his bedroom, and Kool-Aid man busts through the wall while wearing Stars and Stripes themed boxing shorts, like Apollo Creed. "OHHHHHH YEAH!"

You can always unplug it (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334072)

Hey China, nobody here held a gun to your head and forced you to use the Internet. We invented it for our own use, and thought it would be a good idea for peers to connect worldwide.

We had a saying during the Cold War: If you don't like the US, you're free to leave. This contrasted our philosophy with that of the Soviet Union, where emmigrating was very difficult.

Likewise, if you don't like the Internet you're free to create your own local network which is partially what you're doing with your "great firewall". Trouble is, you want it both ways. Sorry. Not our problem. If you can't firewall out everything you don't like then that leaves you with a choice:

Deal with some things you don't like, or unplug it.

Re:You can always unplug it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335754)

We had a saying during the Cold War: If you don't like the US, you're free to leave.

Weasel words to excuse the repression of individual liberty in the name of an economic ideal. But yeah yeah, if you don't like Amurica you can giiit out!

ha (5, Insightful)

itchythebear (2198688) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334090)

I chuckle every time i read an article like this. Yes, I'm sure the United States is participating in electronic espionage (or whatever you want to call it), but does that surprise anyone? Seriously, is anyone surprised at this, like at all? As a United States citizen i would actually be very upset if my government wasn't doing this. The flip side to this is that I can really not be that upset at China for doing the same thing. So really this is a non story and the only one governments are fooling when they make claims like this are... no one.

Re:ha (2)

mhesd (698429) | more than 2 years ago | (#36335602)

The real flip side would be that there are hundreds of US right activists political persecuted in the US, emigrated to China and now targeted by the US government or army by phishing attacks. Did you ever heard from at least one of these mysterious activists?

Re:ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335786)

No one said the U.S. DOESN'T participate in electronic espionage (remember United States Cyber Command?) its just a matter of catching them in the act.

China on the other hand admits to have a cyber security government branch and then DENIES RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IT GETS CAUGHT! You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you admit you have such a branch (which they already have) and man up when you're caught (which they haven't) OR you deny having such a branch (little late for that) and claim its just some rogue, non-government organization (heres a tip China: don't try to blame the victim when the victim has been bitching about you and going before Congressional hearings about dealing with you for the past few years)

In Real News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334092)

The US is on track to return to its 2008 $800+G/year trade deficit with China and the rest of the planet during 2012.

I wonder if Chinese servers running denyhosts accumulate thousands of US IP addresses in their hosts.deny files.

Isn't this story about 2 years old? (0)

presidenteloco (659168) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334176)

"Google gets hacked from China. Decides to close China office and servers. Operate from Hong Kong"?

Why is this thought to be news?

Re:Isn't this story about 2 years old? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334226)

"Google gets hacked from China. Decides to close China office and servers. Operate from Hong Kong"?

Why is this thought to be news?

Because so many stupid companies are still uploading their spreadsheets to google docs.

Re:Isn't this story about 2 years old? (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#36336054)

Now that they're no longer operating in China, they can't exactly threaten to close their China office again, so the Chinese government can hack them pretty much with impunity. (Not that the Chinese government really cared the first time.)

Pay attention to what they say (2)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334216)

They say "the Government of China did not have anything to do with the attacks".

They do NOT say "the Chinese Army had nothing to do with the attacks".

It's all in the details and the saving of face.

Re:Pay attention to what they say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334596)

Fun fact: The Chinese Army is not controlled by the Chinese Government. The Chinese Army is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. Chinese Communist Party != Chinese Government

We will moon China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334218)

And then show them how to die like real human beings.

Chinese strategy is like a cheating spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334222)

Classic strategy. Maybe John Edwards helped them.

1 Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations

no this sounds like Rod Blagojevich spin but not a (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#36334260)

no this sounds like Rod Blagojevich spin but not as good. China can at least blame on a fail guy or try to say that we did not think that hacking was a crime.

What does Google have to gain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334320)

A relatively simple question. What does a profit-based company like Google have to gain by accusing a giant nation like China, with billions of potential customers, of illicit behavior?

I expect that all they want is for China to stop being so damn clumsy about it. It'd be nice if they stopped altogether...but if they MUST hack Google's customers, Google would prefer that they be more discreet about it. They're tired of their security systems lighting up like a fireworks show every day and all those security consultants are expensive.

Seriously people. Google gets "attacked" worldwide on a regular basis. The ONLY reasonable explanation for them to complain about any specific nation is because that nation is either extremely successful in attacking them, extremely obnoxious about it, or both.

This sounds familiar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334566)

I'm no fan of America, but the phrase this brings to mind is "and you are lynching negroes".

China fucks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334678)

Tell me why we should buy their shit at our own peril.
Really America were not better than the commies.
The statue of liberty has tears.

In other words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334710)

China has been engaging in internet espionage and cybercrime (likely through the Chinese military), and accuses the US of same to deflect criticism. Not buying their innocence for a second.

Full of bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36334972)

How long until we all realize that China is full of bullshit and that crap like this is just them pathologically lying in order to cover their asses?

who? Google? we don't know that company... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36335186)

And surprisingly ... www.google.com is now unreachable from China
(some will probably say "oh we are very sorry, our DNS servers are just been "harmonized")
hint for the one stuck in this mess : use 66.249.89.99

Everyone's doing it, just own up to it (2)

fa8os (761693) | more than 2 years ago | (#36335302)

China's just the sucker that gets caught doing it. They're after all sorts of targets, government or otherwise. I had them ruin my. Xmas holiday when they tried unsuccessfully to send 10G DDoS attacks across the wire. Just protect your stuff, because there are a lot of people out the with a lot of motivation to either get your IP, money, are just try to shut you down. China's just one of many. If you have any sort of online presence you are a potential target.

Chinese? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36336334)

Chinese?

More like Whinese!

and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36337438)

...that's how the world's end begins

China is the 1st country to react to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36337700)

the Pentagon's message [slashdot.org] , which was not directed at China, but cyberattacks in general.
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