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Hacker Group LulzSec Challenges FBI

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the getting-down-to-business dept.

Government 308

Tiek00n writes "Hacker Group 'LulzSec' has gained some attention recently for their hacks of PBS and Sony. Their most recent target: FBI affiliate Infragard. The group claims, 'It has come to our unfortunate attention that NATO and our good friend Barrack Osama-Llama 24th-century Obama have recently upped the stakes with regard to hacking. They now treat hacking as an act of war. So, we just hacked an FBI affiliated website (Infragard, specifically the Atlanta chapter) and leaked its user base. We also took complete control over the site and defaced it...'"

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308 comments

Haha (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336686)

Well done LulzSec. Exposing the hypocrisy in the US government... condemning hacking while funding it themselves.

Re:Haha (3, Insightful)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336780)

How is that hypocrisy? If you define hacking as an attack on military or civilian infrastructure, then you're playing with the big boys. And those big boys get to define it as anything from a teenaged prank to a full out declaration of war -- based upon who attacked and what the consequences of those actions are. In a lot of respects it's no different than launching an assault by good old fashioned physical means.

So if you're treating this as a joke, grow up. These are real actions with real consequences.

Re:Haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336834)

How is that hypocrisy? If you define hacking as an attack on military or civilian infrastructure,

You can define it as a grilled cheese sandwich or whatever you want but that doesn't make it so. The Pentagon defines it as "computer sabotage originating from another country" but that doesn't make them right. If LulzSec are based in Germany will the US declare war on them (ignoring the fact that Congress gets to decide who to have a war with not the Pentagon).

Re:Haha (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336836)

Oh cool, let's just roll over and accept tyranny manufactured by "the big boys".

Re:Haha (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336884)

Or recognize the reality that governments have a different set of priorities and agendas from those of the /. crowd.

Re:Haha (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336904)

Yes, and that agenda is "commit terrorism on a global scale" while demonizing terrorism on a global scale.

Re:Haha (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337090)

Dont forget that until 11/9 the US was one of the biggest supporters of terrorism.

Re:Haha (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336890)

**How is that hypocrisy? If you define hacking as an attack on military or civilian infrastructure, then you're playing with the big boys. And those big boys get to define it as anything from a teenaged prank to a full out declaration of war **

that's the point, now they have to decide which is it.

they have to make a public stand about if hacking fbi counts as an "act of war", it either does and they have to start thinking what that actually means, or it doesn't, in which case, what the fuck would count as hacking equivalent to act of war if not messing with internal police operations(a real batch of irony forming in there).

anyways, who are they gonna bomb? la suburbs? same with iran though.

Re:Haha (5, Insightful)

pipatron (966506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337048)

You haven't read 1984? The government need the excuse of a permanent war against an unspecified enemy in order to get away with most anything, making it easy to approve tax hikes, keeping operations secret in the name of state security, and keeping the citizens in place. A few decades ago you had the "Communists". Up until recently you had the "Terrorists". In a decade you'll have the "Hackers". Since they do not really exist in any tangible or organized way they can not be beaten and they are no real threat, but they are useful for scaring the population.

Re:Haha (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336936)

Then they have to define the "Global Warming" as an act of war. And then beware global warming, you are warned, either give up, or face the powerful and undefeated USA army. Then in matter of a few day/months/years/decades their leader will be killed, in the eye, while watching "hot" events. I just imagine...

Re:Haha (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337272)

>So if you're treating this as a joke, grow up. These are real actions with real consequences.

So you're one of those neighbors who'd sell out the guy next door if he stood up to the governments corruption. I see.... Revolution Action has to start somewhere and if its someone using their skill to do it and making others take notice so be it.

False flag. (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336882)

Prepare to see your Interwebs go on 24/7 lockdown.

Time to set up that VPN on a foreign VPS that you always wanted.

Re:False flag. (1)

lxs (131946) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337224)

Maybe we can get a global VPN exchange project off the ground. You guys get freedom and we get Hulu.

Re:False flag. (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337278)

Let's hook that up.

Section 31 (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336688)

FBI? Puh-leaze.

Hack Section 31 and then I'd be impressed.

Re:Section 31 (0, Offtopic)

LizardKing (5245) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336808)

I hope they read that right and go for Section 31 rather than Section 3, otherwise my bands website [sectionthree.net] is going to suffer ...

Re:Section 31 (0)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336898)

Not bad! I like the singing style. Influenced by any bands in particular? The wobbliness reminds me of The Flaming Lips.

Where abouts do you play in London?

Re:Section 31 (1, Informative)

LizardKing (5245) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337046)

Glad you like it! Our influences are pretty broad - punk, new wave and goth mostly but there's also a lot of electronic stuff and even a smattering of ska in our shared tastes. We mostly play venues like The Underworld and Purple Turtle in Camden, and clubs like the Slimelight. We missed out on the European festivals this year, since we didn't have a promo ready in time, but should be playing some club gigs on the continent in the Autumn.

Re:Section 3 (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337228)

Re Section3 Band
"Glad you like it! Our influences are pretty broad - punk, new wave and goth mostly but there's also a lot of electronic stuff and even a smattering of ska in our shared tastes. We mostly play venues like The Underworld and Purple Turtle in Camden, and clubs like the Slimelight. We missed out on the European festivals this year, since we didn't have a promo ready in time, but should be playing some club gigs on the continent in the Autumn."

Heh you made me nuke my moderations so I could reply to you!

As a Real Live Artist why do you only have "stream playing"? Why no mp3 downloads? What is your opinion on the copyright mess?

(Don't hurt me mods, copyright tyranny is 3 degrees of separation from hacking!)

Re:Section 31 (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336922)

The songs on your site remind me of Hawkwind a bit.

Re:Section 31 (1)

LizardKing (5245) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337078)

I'm not denying that there may be some Hawkwind in our record collections ... I may even be listening to "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" since I read your comment :-)

Re:Section 31 (1)

arisvega (1414195) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336932)

And I hope they never get them, because their treatment will be really unfair. Even by FBI standards.

I fart on your Section 31! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337050)

Take down Majestic 12, then we're talking!

Clever (3, Interesting)

asto21 (1797450) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336700)

Take a site down first and then make sure it stays down by slashdotting it.

Thay also defaced Slashdot (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336702)

Or is Slashdot slashdotted? These 503 errors have been happening for a couple of days now.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (2)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336728)

They seem to happen most on my iPhone, and only on certain articles. Very annoying.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336738)

To me it has nothing to do with which article, they just sort of come and go. I haven't tried accessing /. yet from anything but my natty x64 desktop with firefox.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336786)

But it gives more of us a chance to see the "Guru Meditation" gag. That's worth it.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (5, Funny)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336880)

Slashdot has so many gurus meditating, the entire damn datacenter had better be levitating a mile off the ground.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337132)

Ahhhmmmmmm iiiiggaaaaa.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336838)

Always helps me to clean the url of any GET parameters.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (1)

taiwanjohn (103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336846)

I've been wondering the same thing for the last week or so.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336908)

that would explain why firehouse is full of spam.

but seriously, nope. it's just that other tech blogs are now full of hype shit, moderation and censorship.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (1)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337100)

I have a permanent turning '*Working..." message at the bottom on all discussions.

Re:Thay also defaced Slashdot (3, Informative)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337236)

That's noscript blocking addthis.com.

Re:working (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337238)

Yeah, that's been there for ages now. I ad-blocked the spinning thingie but it's still there.

Act of war. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336704)

So it's clear from the emails leaked that the US of A just started a war with Libya.

Re:Act of war. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336726)

What do you mean, "started"? USA has been bombing Libya for weeks already.

Re:Act of war. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336778)

What do you mean, "started"? USA has been bombing Libya for weeks already.

You don't honestly expect slashbots to be aware of what's happening in the world around them, do you? And besides, as everyone knows, they're NEVER wrong...

Re:Act of war. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336920)

.. and at the same time, doing everything they can to avoid calling it a war.

How will this work... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336712)

If the US Government suffers from a DDoS attack, who will they attack? The world? Just wondering...

Re:How will this work... (0)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336828)

The US has been attacking the world since the Spanish American War [wikipedia.org] , using the same pretext (and the same type of yellow journalism, that by the way, keeps the drug wars going) as they use for today's wars, and pretty much for the same reasons...

Re:How will this work... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336914)

Troops need training after all, can't have another repeat of the Korean War & massive 'wtfpwned' casualties ;)

angel of the city (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336718)

angel of the city [youtube.com]

Clear acts of War (3, Insightful)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336740)

I wonder if the people of the USA have any legal recourse to arrest our own government for illegal acts of war since the evidence is out in the open, not to mention violating human rights by attempting to maintain slave labor conditions (The recent Levi Strauss/Haiti revelation) for profit.

Oh, and shall we drop on charges of illegal renditions of other countries leaders (how do you think Haiti happened?)

Re:Clear acts of War (2, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336856)

There are measures which can lead to a recall of government leaders. Problem is, you need to organize and the moment you do, somehow you end up on no-fly and other lists and if you wish to "legally" assemble into a group, you have to ask permission.

Re:Clear acts of War (0)

Corbets (169101) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337254)

There are measures which can lead to a recall of government leaders. Problem is, you need to organize and the moment you do, somehow you end up on no-fly and other lists and if you wish to "legally" assemble into a group, you have to ask permission.

You, sir, are a coward. Show me an example of someone winding up on a no-fly list as a result of peaceable assembly. Yeah, I didn't think you had anything. In any case, if it's important to you, stand up for it and be damned with the excuses.

For the record, though, I don't personally believe that this is worth getting your knickers in a knot over.

Re:Clear acts of War (5, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337320)

You, sir, are a coward. Show me an example of someone winding up on a no-fly list as a result of peaceable assembly. Yeah, I didn't think you had anything.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/04/another-enemy-of-people.html [blogspot.com]

"Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that." I explained that I had not so marched but had, in September, 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the Web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the Constitution. "That'll do it," the [American Airlines clerk] said. "

That's just the first result off of google.
If you don't think people aren't being put on the no-fly list for asserting their right to free speech and to publicly assemble, you haven't been paying attention.

Re:Clear acts of War (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336862)

'Legal" recourse? No... But the law is inconsequential now... Only the power of weaponry matters.. Laws are for the weak and the stupid

Re:Clear acts of War (5, Informative)

Warmlight (1315819) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336954)

It's not law but the Declaration of Independence says:

...that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence....

Again, it's not law but it is one of the documents on which our country is based.

Re:Clear acts of War (1)

geekymachoman (1261484) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336986)

Evidence is out on the open for a long long time now. It's the lack of awareness and abundance of apathy, that's why they get away with this stuff, and they'll continue to get away with blackmail, murder, theft, etc. for a long time.

Re:Clear acts of War (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337022)

Why rise up when there's plenty of bread (read "easy credit") and circuses (read "tv/movies/internet/shiny iPhones") to go around...

Re:Clear acts of War (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337060)

I wonder if the people of the USA have any legal recourse to arrest our own government for illegal acts of war since the evidence is out in the open, not to mention violating human rights by attempting to maintain slave labor conditions (The recent Levi Strauss/Haiti revelation) for profit.

Oh, and shall we drop on charges of illegal renditions of other countries leaders (how do you think Haiti happened?)

Unfortunately we don't have any way if our politicians don't step up. And they are not. They are actually giving the world the finger.. Cause us here in the USA are the world police and we will run this world as we see fit and all you other nations can't do anything about it so.. STFU.. yup this is America's attitude... sorry d00d.. don't know how to fix it.

Amusing signature (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336784)

"Now we are all sons of bitches , Lulz Security". I approve of the Manhattan project reference.

Re:Amusing signature (1)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336844)

Do LulzSec have weapons of mass DDoStruction?

LOL (1, Funny)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336794)

Donate BitCoins for more lulz: 176LRX4WRWD5LWDMbhr94ptb2MW9varCZP

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336826)

Where's George? [blockexplorer.com]

Bring it down! Bring it all down! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336802)

We see with Apple and Google phones tracking people, SSD not being securely erased, police with gadgets that rip all data off cell phones, back doors in routers, NSA rooms on the AT&T backbone servers, printers with secret yellow codes, carriers recording GPS coordinates 8 times a hour, TOMTOM and ONStar snitching the list goes on and on... We see EXACTLY what the jack booted government thugs are making the industry do with products we need to use, grossly invading the rights of everyone in the process and under the guise of trying to catch a few bad guys. Enough is ENOUGH!

Re:Bring it down! Bring it all down! (3, Insightful)

Bloodwine77 (913355) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336982)

Don't put that all on the shoulders of the government. The corporations want all of our information and metrics as well, so that they can better tailor their advertising, marketing, and sales. Not to mention that information is very, very valuable and people need to realize that in many cases we're the products being sold. Our information is the product.

Re:Bring it down! Bring it all down! (3, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337266)

Don't put that all on the shoulders of the government. The corporations want all of our information and metrics as well, so that they can better tailor their advertising, marketing, and sales.

The government, under sealed subpoenas, requests that information from the corporations.
Then argues in court that if those dockets were unsealed, the corporations might feel pressure to resist government requests for information.

So, while the corporations aren't entirely blameless for giving up the goods without a fight, the government is actively aggressing against its people and refusing us the ability to fight back.

Re:Bring it down! Bring it all down! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337082)

trying to catch a few bad guys

And the worst thing is, that there are "cattle people",who actually believe this.
I studied this a bit, and they are exactly like conspiracy theorists. Just in the other direction. But both hold extreme positions of belief that are ignorant of observed reality or rational logic, but are fueled by emotions only: Truthiness.

The thing is: Everyone of us can make these people do his bidding instead. Just offer them what they want, but with a condition of doing what you want. But wrap all that in a socially engineered reality, so that they *themselves* come to the conclusion from the "facts around them". Sweeten it with a emotional gradient (current situation: feels bad; target situation: feels good), and voila! :)

So why leave the power of the dumb masses to the bad guys?
Wipe away the Dunning-Kruger effect, and get on dominating, good guys!

These guys are beyond stupid. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336806)

They'll be in supermax prison for decades when they get caught!

I can't take any group seriously that tries to make points by disabling parts of the government.

Re:These guys are beyond stupid. (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336868)

Those guys are faceless and nameless. We won't know who disappeared when they disappear. We will just know they disappeared.

Re:These guys are beyond stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336886)

As silly as the language looks, my gut tells me that some of these guys are actually pretty savvy, and I don't think it's very hard to hide on the internet if you actually know what you're doing. As long as these guys don't brag about it openly in pubs, I bet many will never get caught.

I mean, c'mon - they couldn't find Osama Bin Laden when he was living in the same house for many years - what makes you think they'll magically be able to find hackers?

I'm certain that if any of them DO get caught, it will be because they did something stupid - not because the search party did something smart.

Re:These guys are beyond stupid. (3, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337114)

As long as these guys don't brag about it openly in pubs, I bet many will never get caught.

You pull at the loose threads until the whole fabric begins to unravel.

I mean, c'mon - they couldn't find Osama Bin Laden when he was living in the same house for many years - what makes you think they'll magically be able to find hackers?

The hacker is an adolescent braggart who thinks he is bullet-proof.

Osama's father made billions on construction projects for the Saudi royal family. Osama's share was worth $100-300 million. That bought a lot of protection these hackers do not have.

But Osama is still dead.

Re:These guys are beyond stupid. (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336906)

They'll be in supermax prison for decades when they get caught!

Who is "they"?

No, "LulzSec" is not the answer.

Just a bully (4, Interesting)

Prosthetic_Lips (971097) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336814)

LulzSec just showed their hand that they are operating like a schoolyard bully. "Do what we want / act like we want, or we'll hack you."

You might think they are standing up to a bully (USA), but taking down 3 different Sony companies smells of a bully, kicking them while they are down.

Re:Just a bully (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336858)

Well of course. That's what these groups do (LulzSec, Anonymous, etc.). They aren't heroic crusaders against "the man". They are immature idiots who happen to know how to use hacking tools (and I'm sure some of them are experts). It doesn't make them people to admire or emulate. Hopefully these tools will get caught.

Re:Just a bully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336950)

And if they do get caught? then what?

The idea behind Anonymous is that there IS no group. it's an idea, not an organisation. the core is simply: "Do whatever it takes to retain the right to be anonymous."

Personally, I have no anonymity. I'm a large supporter of people being open and straightforward: but I understand that most people are easy to demoralize and thus require the guise of anonymity to support them through whatever they feel they need to do in life.

Re:Just a bully (2)

sensei moreh (868829) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337204)

Personally, I have no anonymity.

Sure you do - you posted as an AC

Re:Just a bully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336996)

This are the internets, why so much morality? The stuff they are doing is fun to observe, that is all.

Re:Just a bully (2)

Kernel Krumpit (1912708) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337044)

Well, I think they are heroic crusaders and I do admire them. But then again I always like Robin Hood too.

Re:Just a bully (2)

1s44c (552956) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337144)

Well of course. That's what these groups do (LulzSec, Anonymous, etc.). They aren't heroic crusaders against "the man". They are immature idiots who happen to know how to use hacking tools (and I'm sure some of them are experts). It doesn't make them people to admire or emulate. Hopefully these tools will get caught.

Yes, because once these idiots are locked up we can feel safe as only proper criminals will steal our personal data from careless multinationals.

The real problem is that multinationals and governments care about compliance with dumb regulations and not about security. They therefore suck big time at security.

Re:Just a bully (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336860)

You might think they are standing up to a bully (USA), but taking down 3 different Sony companies smells of a bully, kicking them while they are down.

Oh yes, poor little Sony is being bullied by nasty hackers.
Somehow it's hard for me to feel very sorry for them. ;)

Re:Just a bully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336902)

"Do what we want / act like we want, or we'll hack you."

More like they just hack...

Re:Just a bully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336934)

You might think they are standing up to a bully (USA), but taking down 3 different Sony companies smells of a bully, kicking them while they are down.

So what if they are acting like a bully? They don't sell themselves as the white knights of the intertubes.

This isn't a couple of noblemen enjoying a bout of fisticuffs before tea. Sony acted like dicks, and there's no reason to believe that the corporate culture in their various divisions has in any way altered to reduce their dickery. Nope, keep kicking until Sony is a smoking crater or you become bored. The best thing Sony has done in years is to provide its non-customers with an almost endless stream of lulz. Cheers Sony!

Re:Just a bully (4, Interesting)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336962)

Worse than that, I'd contend that the intention is not to embarrass Sony, but rather to attack Sony's customers. I hate to use the T word, but this clearly is dictionary-definition terrorism: attacking a soft target in order to bully them into falling in line with your demands. Sony's customers are seen as the enemy, as much as Sony itself is, because they provide positive reinforcement to Sony (in the form of revenue), while breaking any attempts to boycott Sony. By adding a negative consequence to being Sony's customer (privacy invasions), they hope to influence the customers' actions.

Obviously, they're not setting off bombs in crowded cities or crashing planes into skyscrapers. They're just a bunch of stupid kids inconveniencing people. That doesn't change what word the dictionary uses to define such actions, however...

Admittedly, I've spent so many years trolling Slashdot, it's difficult for me to switch out of "troll" mode and make a legitimate point without resorting to any trolling, but this time, I'm honestly just sayin'. And, that, kids is the danger of a lifetime of trolling: eventually you can't even tell when you're trolling or not.

Re:Just a bully (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337012)

Worse than that, I'd contend that the intention is not to embarrass Germany, but rather to attack Germany's People. I hate to use the T word, but this clearly is dictionary-definition terrorism: attacking a soft target in order to bully them into falling in line with your demands. Germany's People are seen as the enemy, as much as Germany itself is, because they provide positive reinforcement to Germany(in the form of revenue), while breaking any attempts to damage Germany.

Just for some perspective. We called that "Strategic Bombing" in WWII...

Re:Just a bully (1)

Kernel Krumpit (1912708) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337098)

They're just a bunch of stupid kids inconveniencing people.

The *** Insert government body here (e.g. DoD, IRS, etc..)*** are also a bunch of kids inconveniencing people - especially the less fortunate. Such inflammatory & value laden rhetoric leaves no doubt as to which side of the revolutionary fence you sit on.

Re:Just a bully (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337102)

I hate to use the T word, but this clearly is dictionary-definition terrorism: attacking a soft target in order to bully them into falling in line with your demands.

What is the reported damage to Sony customers? So what if their account details are posted? Every credit union, every other large company that they do business with, every government agency that they've ever interacted with on a federal, state, and local level, every intelligence agency that vacuums up mind-boggling amounts of internet data a day, every Facebook friend, etc. can find that info rather easily. There's literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people that can find out that info about Sony customers, yet no one seems to worry about that. Yet when the hoi-poloi can see it (if they're at all interested), suddenly it's OMG!!1 TERRRORISTS!!!!

Secondly, what demands has Lulzsec made?

Re:Just a bully (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336964)

You're right, they are bullying Sony. However, as some might attest, once someone stands up to the bully, the bully generally chills out, or shows its true colors. Sony was a bully initially-- and hackers have reduced them. Sony, however, has not and will not learn the error of its ways. Call it my opinion, but if, after the first attack, Sony got all its network and use back, do you really think they'd change? Based on what we've seen in the past, they'd become only more draconian. Sony is more like a gang member.

You mess with Sony, they lean on government (the gang.) The US then starts subduing the neighborhood by force, and threat, and (pick your rules, restrictions, and/or persecution). So the US wins and the company is finally restored-- do you really expect them to be kinder? Gentler? More understanding?

I don't like LulzSec, personally. I don't like what they're dong to everyone else-- all we end users. It tells me just what they think of 'ordinary people', but, is that unique for a hacker? Break the law and get around security enough, and you feel you have more power than most-- not condoning their activities, just explaining it. The government doesn't think they have to abide by their own laws either. How is that much different? Rather than posting user info on a website, they store it all in searchable databases for future use. Not much better, IMHO.

Personally, as one of those 'end user' people, I could care less about this action. The USA screws me. Sony screws me. Now LulzSec is screwing me. However, when they all start trying to screw each other, I don't get screwed so often, or so hard. Most of us know how easy it is to get info about people over the internet. So long as I'm online, I have two considerations-- do I want the government snooping in my stuff, or a group of hackers? One gives a shit about me and all my actions and will bring it up against me at the next available opportunity. The other doesn't, but might. I'd rather the government leave the internet entirely. They won't. Therefore, I'd rather have two, or three "gangs" in control, or fighting for control. While they're so busy fighting each other, I can take a moment to go fishing, or post on facebook (don't actually have one, but), or buy some bleach without the tag that I might use it for meth or a bomb or something other than making my socks white. So in this case, I'll root for LulzSec while I go about my normal life. In fact, I think I will go fishing.

Re:Just a bully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337016)

When you do something the government doesn't like, you go to jail. I think I few hacked websites is just comeuppance.

Re:Just a bully (1)

Kernel Krumpit (1912708) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337032)

....operating like a schoolyard bully. "Do what we want / act like we want, or we'll....."

...they are standing up to a bully (USA), ....

The US was ever a bully wielding economic clout as one of their sticks. I am happy to be living in these times of a visibly declining world power and "spy vs. spy" internet activities. Really it's just a matter of knowing which side of the fence you're on when the revolution comes. And I, will be leading the mobs into Harrods!

Re:Just a bully (2)

1s44c (552956) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337138)

LulzSec just showed their hand that they are operating like a schoolyard bully. "Do what we want / act like we want, or we'll hack you."

You might think they are standing up to a bully (USA), but taking down 3 different Sony companies smells of a bully, kicking them while they are down.

Organizations that don't protect against SQL injection or don't use decent authentication are going to get cracked by someone sooner or later. Lulzsec may be publicly embarrassing various groups but they don't seem to be involved in any crime above and beyond that. You call them bullies but what if credit card scammers got hold of Sony's data and quietly started robbing everyone involved? The situation would be way more messy.

Re:Just a bully (4, Insightful)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337214)

Yaknow, a lot of people can--and did--defend the Sony hacks. Some could probably defend the "FBI" hack, though when I hear words like "FBI-affiliated" I just cringe at what they're hiding behind that term.

But how do you defend hacking PBS? These people are obviously just scumbags with too much time on their hands, and articles like this are exactly what they want. Ignore them. They're not worth the attention.

Re:Just a bully (5, Insightful)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337286)

For what is worth. As I recall correctly from my youth, in a battle between bullies, kicking them while they are down seems like a right approach. You shouldn't give them the chance to stand back up, because you know they will be really pissed.

Re:Just a bully (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337296)

taking down 3 different Sony companies smells of a bully, kicking them while they are down.

In all fairness, sometimes Sony deserves a little down-kicking.

Free Entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336822)

The only thing that's going to be funnier than seeing an FBI-affiliated site defaced is all of their doors getting kicked in via no-knock warrants and their computers seized. It's hard to be little arrogant pricks on the internet without a computer.

Re:Free Entertainment (-1, Troll)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#36336958)

The only thing that's going to be funnier than seeing an FBI-affiliated site defaced is all of their doors getting kicked in via no-knock warrants and their computers seized. It's hard to be little arrogant pricks on the internet without a computer.

Takes a brave man to share his masturbation fantasy with the world. Thank you!

Re:Free Entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36337120)

I've never licked boots before. How does it taste?

Hope they're good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336966)

I hope they are very good at what they do, because they just painted a huge target on their backs.

You Don't Say! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36336976)

Security ?! you don't say OMG ; ROFL for that .... Lulz for that.

Permission... (2)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337004)

...to find this all frickin' hilarious?

Wildly entertaining as a spectator.

It's only an act of war if done by a foreign power (4, Insightful)

alexam (1937588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337018)

I mean, right?

Let's say a citizen, or many citizens, are shot. If it's done by another US citizen, it's murder, a crime, and not an 'act of war.' If it's done by some organization, it's homebrew terrorism. If it's done by another country, it's an act of war. That doesn't seem like a wholly unreasonable stance to hold, although it certainly can be debated, I guess.

I don't know, are these people going for the "That's a ridiculous stance on hacking, what are you gonna do, declare war on US?? How ludicrous! See, hacking is not an act of war" angle to this whole thing?

If so.....lulz.

Re:It's only an act of war if done by a foreign po (1)

alexam (1937588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337052)

^ I don't mean to compare hacking with killing people, by the way. What I meant is that it should be pretty obvious, really, that the same actions would be classified in and treated in different ways depending on who the perpetrators are.

This is bound to end well... (5, Funny)

Zero1za (325740) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337026)

(and by well, I mean with prison sex).

Anonymous Coward Comment Ratio (3, Insightful)

OnTheEdge (136784) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337062)

Funny how the ratio of Anonymous Coward comments to logged in user comments seems to have spiked on this thread.

Really, no salt? (4, Interesting)

definate (876684) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337124)

So, they didn't even salt the md5 hashes. How lazy does this "security" firm want to be?

Also, how simple do some of these passwords want to be? LOL "infragard26j" are you kidding me? Come on IBM, lift your game!

Here's a copy of the exposed file on PasteBin [pastebin.com]

I've noticed that the "cracking" method of choice was just "see if these are known values in public rainbow tables". Which, many of them were. Huzzah!

Also, I thought that all md5's had been cracked before, however it seems not so. So, I decided to calculate how many gb such a table would AT LEAST have to be [wolframalpha.com] . Well, I was quite surprised. Unless there's collisions or my math is fucked, that's quite a lot!

Seems Unveilance [unveillance.com] , the company which had its CEO's private emails leaked, has responded and sort of, also authenticated the hack too. Unveillance Official Statement [unveillance.com]

Job Well Done (1)

Cito (1725214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337244)

Keep exposing the corporate and government hypocrisy, lies, and bullshit. It's groups like this and wikileaks that truly need support of the people. ignore the propaganda lies that mass media and corporate shill websites will tell you.

LulzSec is retarded (1)

makubesu (1910402) | more than 3 years ago | (#36337298)

I've always wondered how secure slashdot is. Let's do an experiment. Mod me up to +5 insightful, and see if LulzSec hacks /. to bring my post down.
And for good measure: Assange should be in jail, child pornography is evil, and Ron Paul would make a terrible president. There, that should lure them out.
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