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Student Suspended For Posting On YouTube

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the don't-bring-none-of-that-innernet-'round-these-parts dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A Canadian student has been suspended from school and had the police called on him due to satirical animations that he posted to YouTube. Jack Christie, a 12th-grade student at the Donald A. Wilson Secondary School in Whitby, Ontario, Canada, created the videos in his own time, off-campus."

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Not funny (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341174)

While I agree with Jack Christie that it's ridiculous that he is suspended for posting some videos on YouTube, I don't like the video featured in the article at all. Juvenile nonsense. Grow up Jack.

Re:Not funny (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341182)

Considering he's not 18 yet, he isn't out of place if he's acting as juvenile.. as he is by definition of his age.

You're getting your panties in a twist in the same way as the board is.

Re:Not funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341262)

He is 18, but still.. as above. Cut the kid(/guy) some slack.

His mature and level headed reply (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341446)

He sounds very mature and level headed in his reply to the school via this youtube video, where he says "Jack Christie Addresses the Board"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnW2_i0Q_i4

He also shows talent in writing and his style is something like South Park. The guy could have a career in the animation industry if he carries on with this kind of work. Isn't that what schools should be encouraging?! ... WTF is his tyrannical school for, if its not preparing him for a career!

Re:His mature and level headed reply (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341536)

WTF is his tyrannical school for, if its not preparing him for a career!

Forcing conformity and creating social pressure groups, while quietly feeding the students nationalist propaganda?

Re:His mature and level headed reply (2)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341592)

The reply is simply awesome. Not only is he smart but he delivers his point with comedic style and "shock value" as well.

Re:His mature and level headed reply (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341718)

I don't know about Canada, but down here in the US the schools' primary purpose seems to be removal of all traces of curiosity and creativity. Ever notice that when budgets get cut, the first things to go are art and music, but never sports?

Re:Not funny (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341602)

No.
18 is an adult in most places. In society today we seem to encourage people to stretch out their teen yeas far past where they should. So no being 18 is not an excuse he is an adult by my standands. I to think the content is self indulgent mindless crap typical of a self righteous kid. The thing that the ACs don't get is that the quality of the content is not the issue. It could be of him wearing a dress and singing O'Canada while using Helium while smacking himself with a trout for all I care. It is the principle that counts not the content.

Re:Not funny (3, Insightful)

toetagger (642315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341292)

In your opinion, what is an 18 year old supposed to be doing, other than growing up? I think he's learning something very valuable right now - for example: It pays standing up for your own rights against authority - something most other grown ups have never dared to try themselves.

Re:Not funny (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341402)

No, he learning a much more valuable lesson: If authority wants to screw you, bend over and drop your pants. If you fight back, they'll just make it all the harder on you - and even if you win, you lose.

Re:Not funny (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341470)

That's right, but he should make better videos ;)

Re:Not funny (0)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341756)

They like to get you in a compromising position
They like to get you there and smile in your face
They think they're so cute when they got you in that condition
Well I think it's a total disgrace

CHORUS:
I fight authority, Authority always wins
I fight authority, Authority always wins
I been doing it since I was a young kid
I come out grinnin'
I fight authority, Authority always wins

So I call up my preacher
I say, "Give me strength for Round 5."
He said , "You don't need no strength, you need to grow up son."
I said, "Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying
"And dying to me don't sound like all that much fun."

CHORUS

Oh no oh no
I fight authority Authority always wins

CHORUS

-- John Mellencamp

Re:Not funny (1)

Spritzer (950539) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341304)

While I have to agree that the video was garbage, I can't seem to figure out why they're so offended by a penguin hanging out with Jesus. Or was it the language? Yeah that's it....or no. OH JESUS!!! It's that the fucking phone kills bears. Somebody stop this kid!! Don't let him anywhere near a supposed institute of learning! Fur is murder and the Fehely 6900 is the fucking devil Bobby.

Re:Not funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341306)

Free speech is great! But only when the content is something that I agree with.

Re:Not funny (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341504)

He has the right to say things that the grandparent disagrees with, but the grandparent has the right to call him a juvenile attention-seeking git when he does. That's how free speech works.

Re:Not funny (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341570)

Actually I would say it is offensive mindless crap. But then so is much of what is on YouTube and frankly Slashdot. Sorry but the people that did this should be dismissed. I don't know how they thought that they could get away with punishing a student for putting this on YouTube. If the goal was for people to not see it they failed completely. The student is now a hero and more people will now see this crap than ever. If was to protect the school that was also a failure. But then I still don't know how that school district got away with spying on those kids with their laptops! No jail time and no mass dismissal in that case so I guess anything is possible. I hope Canadians all over the country protest this action. Too bad that they will be fighting for crap like this video but in this case it really is the principle that matters and not the actual content.

It's super effective! (4, Funny)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341588)

Who needs Transformers when you have a school that can turn into Barbara Streisand?

Re:Not funny (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341796)

"Funny" is in the mind of the beholder and is completely subjective. Lots of folks think Monty Python is mindless garbage, I think it's hilarious. But whether or not one thinks it's funny or garbage is completely beside the point. The point is, this kid was denied his rights, and that's just plain wrong.

Re:Not funny (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341702)

I'm 59 and it got a couple of chuckles out of me. We'll get off your lawn, sir. How are those new knees holding out?

Re:Not funny (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341754)

I got a couple of chuckles, too, but I must be guarding my lawn too closely because I felt most it was utter crap. Invade Sweden because it has 69% of the worlds' untapped ass? Funny. Kill all black people? Not so much.

Re:Not funny (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341740)

I don't like the video either. I think it blows. But - hey - I think a lot of things are equally stupid, juvenile, and generally lacking in taste. Want some examples? Well, you could start with a google of "rap", or almost any celebrity's name, or "blockbuster", or "action movie". Jack Christie's little video is mildly offensive to my sensibilities, but I can find more offensive material at any theater for which people pay good money.

The school is most definitely overstepping what limited authority is rightfully theirs. And, Jack's freedom of speech and freedom of expression is most definitely being violated.

Happens every time (5, Insightful)

Rijnzael (1294596) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341192)

Schools in North America at least--if not everywhere in the West--seem to think that their disciplinary powers extend to any actions committed by students anywhere during their years of attendance.

In my opinion, the only time a school should have the ability to initiate disciplinary action for an act committed off school premises should be after trial and conviction of a crime. Free speech protections often don't apply in schools (don't get me started on that), but a school has absolutely no right to restrict a student's speech off school grounds, and this would be aptly enforced by requiring disciplinary sanctions for off ground behavior be the result of a conviction in a court of law. This school would get laughed at if they even mentioned prosecution of this student for this behavior to a DA, so there's no reason they should be allowed to do this.

Re:Happens every time (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341282)

Schools in North America at least--if not everywhere in the West--seem to think that their disciplinary powers extend to any actions committed by students anywhere during their years of attendance. .

I remember seeing this young person tossing stones near a car, and this old guy came and shouted with him, demanded to know what school he attended and went off to complain to the headmaster.

I think its the idea that since you're spending most of your day at school, they're in charge of making you a 'good person' and not just imparting knowledge. At lower levels anyway.

Re:Happens every time (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341326)

In the end the reason why this was the correct thing to do is that if he had come one day with a gun and started shooting people the school would be blamed for not realizing that something was going on. School shootings are very serious and the school staff should be proud of properly preventing it.

Re:Happens every time (2, Insightful)

Calydor (739835) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341348)

By that logic we should all be medicated and brainwashed to all behave exactly the same, because of the minuscule risk that someone someday might do something to someone that isn't NORMAL.

Please count the number of school shootings in the past twenty years in America and compare it to the number of children/young adults who have attended an institute of education during that time frame. I'm sure you'll find that children suffer far greater risks in life than another child snapping and shooting up his school.

Oh, come on. (5, Informative)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341610)

Everyone knows that satire means you're dangerous. Let me explain:

Satire means you have no respect for authority.
Having no respect for authority means you have no respect for the police.
Having no respect for the police means you have no respect for their guns.
Having no respect for guns means you place no value on your own life.
If you place no value on your own life, why place a value on other people's lifes?
And since you value neither your own life nor that of anyone else you're practically guaranteed to commit at least a murder-suicide.

Satirists should be shot and then carpet-bombed for the safety of us all.

Re:Oh, come on. (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341776)

I wish I had mod points!

Re:Happens every time (2)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341606)

School shootings are very serious and the school staff should be proud of properly preventing it.

Did they? I didn't know that a symptom of a lunatic assassin was posting cartoons on youtube. Can you point me to previous examples of this? Where can i find cartoons made by lunatic assassins? I want to be able to recognize them in the future.

Dilbert commentary (1)

Mostly a lurker (634878) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341664)

If everybody posting on YouTube is to be considered a candidate for going crazy with guns, and suspended, then schools are going to become a lot emptier.

Dilbert's take on Internet logic [dilbert.com]

Re:Happens every time (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341778)

Are you serious?
This was a completely harmless video and the person in question is completely sane.
Even talking to the person would demonstrate such a thing.
It is extremely easy to notice these kinds of people who would commit such crimes by simply talking to them.
Call it a "routine" guidance meeting and be done with it.

Hell, if anything, THIS KIND OF STUFF PUSHES PEOPLE OVER THE EDGE!
Destroying peoples hobbies and threatening their future can really make people snap.
The kid is also pretty damn smart too.
Well over 99% of cases of people snapping and causing harm to others are people who tend to be on the thick side. (yes, even those in colleges and universities, it's not exactly hard to get in to them sometimes, half my soft-dev class were incredibly dense, surprised they never collapsed in on themselves. Said half also slowly left over the courses)

But to call the damn police and threaten expulsion? I hope he sues the ass off every one of them.
They never even attempted to talk to him and see if he was mentally unstable or showed signs of instability.

Going by this logic, we should arrest everyone who make / have:
violent movies (/TV)
violent games
violent books
violent animations
swears at people
violent stickmen drawings
violent dreams
Not everyone is mentally unstable.

Re:Happens every time (2, Informative)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341514)

Schools in North America at least--if not everywhere in the West

Dude. Canada. RTFA.

Besides, if TFA were about a US school, the kid would be from Texas and the video about Charles Darwin.

Re:Happens every time (1)

Rijnzael (1294596) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341528)

Last I checked, Canada was a country in the North American continent [wikipedia.org] . But please, take the opportunity to bring up the US for no discernible reason.

Re:Happens every time (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341544)

Dude. Canada. RTFA.

Yes, that's why he said "North America". Canada is in North America, last I checked.

Re:Happens every time (2)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341600)

heh, that's the problem with "americans". They've been calling themselves "americans" for so long they no longer remember it's a whole frigging continent.

Re:Happens every time (2)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341626)

actually if you want to be precise its like 2.5 continents
(North South and if you want to "Central" which is actually part of North)

Re:Happens every time (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341790)

Caitlin Upton, it's you!

Re:Happens every time (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341604)

Schools in North America at least--if not everywhere in the West--seem to think that their disciplinary powers extend to any actions committed by students anywhere during their years of attendance.

My school did not allow me to smoke within 5KM of the school. I told them that I lived within 5KM of the school AND I was allowed to smoke by my parents. (I can't forfit something I do myself. Just understand that it will kill you)

Blame Canada... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341202)

..they aren't even a real country anyway

I hope he sues the ass off them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341204)

This is downright atrocious behaviour for a school.
This is up there with that school who were recording students on cameras on loaned laptops.
They have NO AUTHORITY on what students do outside of school. PERIOD.
Especially if it is a public school. Private schools can vary. (and questionable at best)

Seems like it is just a load of nonsense over school shooting because "oh no a stick figure has a gun! HE IS GOING TO KILL THE SCHOOL!"
Either that or he is too smart and it scares them. BURN THE WITCH!

Fuck everything about this (5, Insightful)

Mabbo (1337229) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341208)

"Gavin Russell, prime minister of the student government, gathered scores of signatures on a petition supporting Mr. Christie before two staff members warned him that, if he continued, he could also face punishment."

I am ashamed of my country when I can read that, and it isn't followed by "The staff members were promptly fired". Believe it or not, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms applies even to high school kids, and no, your petty little school rules do not trump those Rights.

Re:Fuck everything about this (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341240)

I think the school got confused between their campus and China. That is defiantly the most appalling part. Not only can you not say something the school doesn't like, you are also not allowed to defend anyone who does.

Re:Fuck everything about this (2)

toetagger (642315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341316)

A spokeswoman for the Durham District School Board ... obliquely explained the school’s actions: “If something is considered detrimental to the positive moral tone of the school, it doesn’t necessarily have to happen inside the school [for us to get involved],” said Andrea Pidwerbecki.

Looks like at least one more person to add to the list of people who should be fired!

Re:Fuck everything about this (3, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341408)

Whenever I see mention of 'positive moral tone' or similar wording, I always read them as 'excuse to stick our noses into other peoples' business.'

Re:Fuck everything about this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341340)

Yea, that caught my attention too. That principal must be a special kind of obnoxious, authoritarian scum. I hope he gets more than his fair share of trouble for this inexcusable totalitarian behaviour.

Re:Fuck everything about this (3)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341554)

In this instance, the "kid" is 18. He is an adult in the eyes of the law. That is what makes this extra messed up. They can't even use the "he has limited rights because he is a minor" argument.

He is old enough to sign contracts, join the military, and vote. Just not old enough to express himself, apparently.

Legal action seems like the best solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341210)

What an embarrassment for Canada.
I am sure that those responsible for the person making this decision, will surely want to discipline, or tdismiss the vindictive and tyrannical individual(s) responsible for this decision.
Truly pathetic.

Right... (5, Interesting)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341214)

The summery says: "Created the videos in his own time, off-campus."

The video says: "This was done up back in November of 2010, for an economics course project."

So I don't think its as independent from school as this summary wants to make you believe.

Re:Right... (1)

oji-sama (1151023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341270)

How exactly does that matter?

Re:Right... (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341290)

I dunno, if you presented something like that as part of your project, then your school has a right to 'butt in' of sorts.

I don't think that the headmaster was just browsing youtube, found this channel and decided to pick on someone.

Re:Right... (1)

janimal (172428) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341636)

This could even be done for school purposes.. I don't remember there being some sort of copyright agreement between me and my high school that gave the school special rights to my essays. What difference does it make if it's done as homework?

Re:Right... (1)

toetagger (642315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341284)

I wonder if the picture in the video at 2:54 [youtube.com] is the principle, just after the quote at 2:45 [youtube.com] "Don't you ever interrupt me, you sob"

Re:Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341328)

I wonder if the picture in the video at 2:54 [youtube.com] is the principle, just after the quote at 2:45 [youtube.com] "Don't you ever interrupt me, you sob"

That is Bill Cosby.

No the summary can be correct (1)

aepervius (535155) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341466)

I don't know if you realize , but FOR a campus project, you can fully work OFF campus. this is done all the time when a teacher give you stuff to work at home, home exercise, projects, documents etc... It does not matter if it started by havign a etacher giving a püroject at school, if the WORK is done off campus 100% then the school has no right to say anything about the subsequent publication.

Re:Right... (5, Informative)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341492)

The summery says: "Created the videos in his own time, off-campus."

The video says: "This was done up back in November of 2010, for an economics course project."

So I don't think its as independent from school as this summary wants to make you believe.

That doesn't mean the school owns them however, so they have no right to threaten him with calling the police over the videos if he didn't take them down, which the same article tells you they did (emphasis added):

He said his teachers had no problem with the content – one even lent his voice to an animation – and he didn’t get in trouble until he uploaded the videos to YouTube. He was swiftly given a one-day suspension. A few days later, his principal laid out an ultimatum: Take the videos down or the police would be called. He refused to budge.

And since they didn't have an issue with them when he did them for the class project (and a teacher even participated in them), they're going to have serious trouble trying to get anyone to believe they only felt like they were a threat to the school's moral values after they were put on YouTube. If they were truly a threat they should have done something when he made them for the class project.

So that has no bearing on the case. All the signs are that something in one (or more) of the videos made fun of the school principal and he's got a burr up his ass over it and is punishing the kid for refusing to bow to his perceived authority. (And given all the circumstances, I seriously doubt the school's going to win here. Their not doing anything when he presented them for the class project is going to damage any case they might have had irreparably. The fact that a teacher participated actively in one video will destroy any remaining chance they might have had.)

Re:Right... (2)

wrook (134116) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341594)

The summery says: "Created the videos in his own time, off-campus."

The video says: "This was done up back in November of 2010, for an economics course project."

So I don't think its as independent from school as this summary wants to make you believe.

That doesn't mean the school owns them however, so they have no right to threaten him with calling the police over the videos if he didn't take them down, which the same article tells you they did

It's not just the summary that's inconsistent, but the article as well. What this points to for me is that the article is garbage with respect to actually getting facts on the issue. Nothing about this makes any sense. I watched the video linked in TFA. Personally, I don't see why a school would demand that it get taken down. I didn't see any mention of the school (but it's possible I missed it). But, some schools are staffed by jerks. It's possible they went overboard.

The really weird thing is that the police are involved. And the student is suspended while the police continue the investigation. What on earth would the police be investigating? The *only* thing I could possibly imagine is hate crimes. Again, there was absolutely nothing of the sort in the linked video. There appears to be copyright infringement, but that's not something that the police would get involved in.

There is something seriously fishy about this article. Unless there is some clarification of the facts, I'm going to conclude that the reporter just has it wrong (conveniently so given the number of hits they are likely to get...)

Re:Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341574)

If you're going to quote the article at least get the relevant part. The school had no problem with the videos when he did the presentations, it was only the administrators who went on a power trip after they stumbled upon his videos.

Mr. Christie created the videos on his laptop for presentations in economics and politics classes over the course of the last school year. Titled Jack Christie Talks to Children, they feature an animated representation of himself leading a pair of kids on adventures and purporting to explain various subjects, such as politics and corporate whistle-blowing.

He said his teachers had no problem with the content – one even lent his voice to an animation – and he didn’t get in trouble until he uploaded the videos to YouTube. He was swiftly given a one-day suspension. A few days later, his principal laid out an ultimatum: Take the videos down or the police would be called. He refused to budge.

Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341248)

I see tons of videos like that on YouTube everyday. First Evan Emory, and now this?

Freedom of Speech (1, Troll)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341256)

Is anyone else tired of this whole "Freedom of Speech" excuse which always seems to crop up every single time?

For one thing, this has nothing to do with talking, so I guess you could call it "Freedom of Expression", but this excuse can justify anything you want.

Not saying anything about it particular to this case, just that its so very overused its become tiring. Pretty much anything can be justified, including urinating on religious symbols and taking images of them (and yes that happened).

Re:Freedom of Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341318)

The main reason it's annoying is because it's clearly supposed to resonate with the First Amendment for people, which it has absolutely nothing to do with (unless his school board is Congress for some reason.)

Re:Freedom of Speech (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341336)

The main reason it's annoying is because it's clearly supposed to resonate with the First Amendment for people, which it has absolutely nothing to do with (unless his school board is Congress for some reason.)

The fact that he's Canadian makes it all the more interesting.

Re:Freedom of Speech (2, Insightful)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341322)

Not saying anything about it particular to this case, just that its so very overused its become tiring. Pretty much anything can be justified, including urinating on religious symbols and taking images of them (and yes that happened).

I'm not sure what you point is then. It's not like there's anything wrong with that

Is anyone else tired of this whole "Freedom of Speech" excuse which always seems to crop up every single time?

Anytime someone gets in trouble just for expressing themselves, you mean? I think a lot of people get tired of hearing about "authorities" trying to stop people from expressing themselves. I suspect you are the only one who is tired of the "excuse" that people need to be able to express themselves in order for society to function.

On an unrelated note, if this kind of thing really does bother you, why did you even read the fucking summary?

Re:Freedom of Speech (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341352)

Well, some people might find your 'expression' to be insulting. If I run around yelling homophobic comments, or yelling ethnic slurs, would it be considered freedom of expression? Or would I end up making new friends in court?

Thing is that 'expression' is a very vague and open term. Insults can be an expression. Bad language can be an expression. Racism and calls to kill people for being 'heathens' can be an expression. And sometimes this magic 'get out of responsibility free' card works.

Re:Freedom of Speech (2, Insightful)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341414)

All these things need to be protected In order to promote reasonable discourse. If you take anything off the table you risk marginalizing legitimate viewpoints and ending discussion. Expression is much more important than people's desire to go through life un-challenged and un-offended. Anything can be considered offensive or subversive or dangerous or pornographic by the right person. You have to accept the viewpoints of others if you are really want to peacefully coexist with them. Just because people don't say something doesn't mean they didn't think it, and it's better to know what someone thinks than to stop them from talking, even if they are just trying to offend you. Too much goes unsaid already.

You either have it or you don't (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341368)

I think you're the kind of person who gets fed up with this whole tired Freedom of Speech thing when you don't agree with what's being said.

Either you have freedom of speech or you don't. You can't pick and choose.

I live in Europe where there are many restrictions on what can and can't be discussed in public. I don't admire much about the politics in the US but one thing I very much admire is that if someone thinks something they have an absolute right to say it out loud.

I can't see the point of urinating on religious symbols but if the symbols are owned by the person doing the urinating then let them. If a lot of people admire such action they will get a large audience and if nobody is interested they will have wasted their time. It is the people who would ban it that I am most concerned about because it is those people who don't have an interest in free speech.

Re:Freedom of Speech (1)

LocalH (28506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341832)

Pretty much anything can be justified, including urinating on religious symbols and taking images of them (and yes that happened).

And this is as it should be.

What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341310)

I still can't wrap my mind around the concept of "suspension" as a punishment for someone attending a public school. First and foremost, wouldn't truant student be "suspending" himself? Second, if a student missed any essential classes because he is suspended, wouldn't it make all subsequent classes pointless because student won't be able to understand them (or, worse, misleading because student will misunderstand them)?

Re:What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (3, Insightful)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341330)

Second, if a student missed any essential classes because he is suspended, wouldn't it make all subsequent classes pointless because student won't be able to understand them (or, worse, misleading because student will misunderstand them)?

Right, so in order to combat this, a student has to either:

a) Work extra hard in his free time to study the topic enough to understand them
b) Fail miserably and have to resit/restudy or waste a year.

Both of which are punishments.

Its also rather symbolic. Kinda like being "Suspended from work with pay". Its meant to warn you that you might end up permanently like that.

Re:What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341392)

Permanently suspended from work with pay doesn't sound too bad.

Re:What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341516)

Kinda like being "Suspended from work with pay". Its meant to warn you that you might end up permanently like that.

Kinda misleading example, very few people are fired (suspended permanently) with pay.

Re:What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341808)

Its also rather symbolic. Kinda like being "Suspended from work with pay".

Where and how can I get that ?

Re:What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341420)

Though used as a punishment, it doesn't really feel like one for the student who gets time to sit at home and play computer games. It's used as a way to get rid of unruly students who disrupt the teaching or pose a risk of violence to others, and as a way to make sure the parent knows very well just how much trouble that pupil is in.

Re:What kind of punishment is a "suspension"? (1)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341500)

Though used as a punishment, it doesn't really feel like one for the student who gets time to sit at home and play computer games. It's used as a way to get rid of unruly students who disrupt the teaching or pose a risk of violence to others, and as a way to make sure the parent knows very well just how much trouble that pupil is in.

Some schools nowadays use in-school suspension. The student is sent to a different facility and has to spend the day studying. No gaming, no reading books for fun, it's actual punishment.

Direct link without the ads (1)

toetagger (642315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341324)

Here's the video starting at second 1 to skip the ads on YouTube [youtube.com]

I hate this summary (4, Insightful)

drolli (522659) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341334)

The question should not be if he did it in his free time, off campus, but if it was related to the school.

I can imagine a lot of things which one can do "during my free time" and "off campus" which should get you fired from school, even if there is no crime which can be persecuted.

For example: contacting or ridiculing teachers in an inappropriate way (yes, these are employees and they have rights), the same for students (nobody should be forced to sit besides somebody bullying him at facebook, and if school is the primary contact for this person suspension is the right thing to do).

All the news messages like "xzy got ... for doing ... on facebook" withou specifying what the content of ... was are as stupid as saying "he got in jail for swinging a piece of wood through the air", which may be technically correct, but could also be a baseball bat hitting the face of somebody after swinging through the air.

Please dear media: separate means, motivations, tools, and fact of crime more carefully. It really does not matter today if you write somebody an insulting letter which you put up 1000 times in you town to lampposts or post an insulting video.

Re:I hate this summary (2)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341552)

The article also said that "Gavin Russell, prime minister of the student government, gathered scores of signatures on a petition supporting Mr. Christie before two staff members warned him that, if he continued, he could also face punishment."; if they're threatening members of the student government (pointless as such organisations usually are, it's an issue of principle) for daring to circulating petitions, they sound like a bunch of authoritarian thugs and I see absolutely no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Re:I hate this summary (2)

jopsen (885607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341824)

they sound like a bunch of authoritarian thugs and I see absolutely no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And that is exactly how they are presented. You don't known the wording for the petition in question, it could very well be inappropriate.
That said, if the School weren't out of line, they should have agreed to an interview.

A comics early work usually sucks (4, Funny)

TechBCEternity (561141) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341356)

Andy Sanberg said on the nerdist podcast. Film school is where you get out all your bad ideas. so we shouldn't care whether its funny, the only reason we're even watching his stuff is the principal hasn't heard of the Streisand effect

Awful attitude (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341362)

It seems the attitude of this school is "we have the authority, and you are worthless little shits who have to obey. ". At my school, they had the attitude "we have the authority, and you are young citizens of this country who need to learn how to fight and succeed against authority, and we will do our best to teach you".

Re:Awful attitude (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341430)

I work at a school. I wish we had the first attitude, because a lot of our pupils are worthless little shits. But, being British, our attitude is more 'Do as we ask you, or we'll have to tell you again.' Sort of like the UN. There is no fear of the staff, so the pupils run riot.

Re:Awful attitude (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341572)

Yet when the schools crack down, they seem to end up hitting precisely the wrong set of pupils - the actual troublemakers (at least those who aren't truly unbelievably stupid) become marginally more sneaky, delivering a constant and untraceable stream of snide comments and punches that the teachers never see, the majority of average students continue to plod along doing very little, and the good students who actually think for themselves grate against the increasingly invasive and obsessive authority until they either snap and do something stupid, or get kicked out anyway over a harmless YouTube video.

Just Lame (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341400)

It was a fucking lame video. And what they complained as being obscene or whatever, you see ten times worse in just about any shitty movie these days. Streisand all the way. For what it's worth, Southwestern Ontario (where this happened) is like the American Midwest Bible Belt with a Canadian socialization slant. As you move east and hit Kitchener Waterloo you are in horse and buggy Mennonite country. Well not in the city but immediately all around it but all sorts of God Squad schools in it. You don't actually hit right thinking people till you get east of Kitchener Waterloo and into the Toronto area. Anyway the whole region from KW down to Windsor is rife with midwest religious idiots.

Re:Just Lame (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341658)

This is pretty informative, so I guess I have to use my karma to make this anonymous post a little more visible.

If the societies have strong religious ties, it's likely that the principal of the school is a religious nut, and freaked out when he saw Jesus. That would explain why the teachers didn't have any problems with it.

Paranoid Psychosis (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341432)

Attempting to invasively damage individuals in such a way that misunderstands an individuals personal property boundaries, intellectual property boundaries, team structure, and personal time normally indicates that that person has a “Paranoid Psychosis.” Top Tip!

Not available in your country (1)

Crouty (912387) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341488)

"This video contains content from PIAS, SME und Kontor New Media. It is not available in your country." This is what Germans see when trying to watch the video. Just a reminder that Germany is a third world country youtubewise.

Re:Not available in your country (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341622)

Going on the Internet as a German with only your German ISP is at least stupid, if not haphazardly dangerous.

With all our censorship laws and ridiculously incompetent law enforcement, you'd be a fool not to tunnel through a non-German VPN.

Re:Not available in your country (0)

pipatron (966506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341672)

So what's Germany supposed to do about the insane copyright hysteria in the US, where Google/Youtube is located? Even if Germany discarded all their copyright laws overnight, Google would still get in serious trouble if they didn't do exactly as their copyright overlords tell them to.

Re:Not available in your country (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341782)

I'm trying to work out what part of a student-made video is apparently owned by a German media conglomerate?

Police? (2)

noodler (724788) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341558)

They called the police FOR WHAT???
Isn't that a gross abuse of power?

Re:Police? (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341676)

No, no, you got it all wrong. They called The Police, you know, Sting.

Re:Police? (1)

MerlinTheWizard (824941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341700)

Oh, indeed! This student used the tube and got stinged!

Some whirlwind is going on. (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341596)

If the reader's comments on the article are any indication, this suspension grows out to be a mayor PR disaster for school and school board. Not a single positive remark for the decision, as far as I can tell. Maybe next time they will be more careful.

As the latin saying goes: HOMO SAPIENS NON URINAT IN VENTUM.

Punishment is too lenient. (1)

Ada_Rules (260218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341620)

He is damn lucky he only got suspended. He blasphemed 'The Penguin'. The punishment should be far more severe.

There is no OS but Linux.

Idiot school administration (1)

avm (660) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341662)

So a kid that attends your school made an offensive video rife with juvenile humour. So what? You say he posted it to Youtube? Wow, what a catastrophe! Now the rest of the world's population who shares his level of humour can laugh with him. So what?

Here's a news flash for you school administration types.... you're not the primary authority figures in this young man's life. You are tasked with teaching him academics and their application, not with guiding his sense of humour into approved channels. Fuck off.

kingdom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341678)

Wasn't this part of the plot of an episode of the British show Kingdom?

What the hell is going on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341710)

My son who has NEVER been in trouble, who NEVER caused any problem, who was liked by his teachers, was not allowed to walk at his graduation because he was late and missed the practice. Other students who missed where allowed to walk and he went to the principal himself to talk to him when he realized he was late and was treated like someone who snuck a gun into school. I can assure you this wouldn't have happened had I been there.
Needless to say this isn't the end. I have been in discussions with the Knox (IN) school board and plan on pursuing this.
It is high time we took our schools back. The nanny state has to go! What is happening?

Goes to prove: if you want video to be watched . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36341766)

You need to try and ban it, or punish somebody for making it.

I would have never watched that video if were not for this slashdot article.

Now That's Administrating! (1)

CompZombie (2232936) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341772)

I love how satire is only satire when a peer (presumably that you like) makes it. Coming from a subordinate, it seems that the powers that be consitently react the same way. I found myself at least trying to sympathize with the school for their actions (two sides to every story and all that), until I read, "Gavin Russell, prime minister of the student government, gathered scores of signatures on a petition supporting Mr. Christie before two staff members warned him that, if he continued, he could also face punishment." What kind of message are sending to your students?

Over and Over Again (1)

PMuse (320639) | more than 3 years ago | (#36341822)

Every time that we hear about another incident like this, it turns out badly for the school (and for the student, since later vindication never makes up for years of trouble).

So why don't school officials stop doing it? Do they know that there are hundreds of such cases each year where the intimidation wins early and the media never hears of it? No, more likely, they are just ignorant of the dozens of school officials who have lost jobs and elections for trying this.

Some one needs to write a Continuing Education unit on Media Relations and Student Rights for these losers.

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