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Hackers Attack Nintendo, But Company Claims Data Safe

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the 15-minutes-of-fame dept.

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Dr Herbert West writes with this from the Wall Street Journal: "Nintendo said Sunday that a server for its US unit's website had been hacked into but that no company or customer information was compromised. The hacker group Lulzsec, which allegedly was behind other breaches of Sony websites earlier this week, claimed responsibility. Lulzsec posted a server configuration file as proof of its involvement yet said it wasn't targeting Nintendo. 'We just got a config file and made it clear that we didn't mean any harm,' the group said this morning via its Twitter.' Nintendo had already fixed it anyway. The attack comes as Nintendo this week launches its new online service for its 3DS hand-held game machine."

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Data is safe because... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344420)

The data is safe because they make you put in your CC info every time you make a purchase, instead of storing the data. This is something that people whine about and say Nintendo is being too cautious about every time they talk about the Wii Shop Channel. Still whining, trolls?

Also, if LulzSec doesn't get taken out soon, I'm fucking gonna find one of them and shit on their head. This is getting ridiculous.

Re:Data is safe because... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344524)

Not only that, but there's no online accounts to access because Nintendo wisely uses only consoles and friend codes. Nintendo actually cares about their customers' privacy. There's basically no data to hack from Nintendo.

Whereas Sony requires you to enter your life's story to use a fucking online service, Nintendo just gives you a short number. You give it to your friends. No accounts to create, no privacy to lose. It's simple, it's easy, it's private, and it's secure.

I have to say, this is the first time the news of LulzSec hacking has actually made me mad. Everything else they've done could be argued to be altruistic, but this is just pointlessly lashing out at anyone they find. I can't think of anything Nintendo has ever done to justify this.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344556)

Well, maybe Lulzsec really didn't want to attack Nintendo. Perhaps their goal was the indirect humiliation of Sony. Adding insult to injury and whatnot.

Here's another message for you and your parent - GO LULZSEC!

Re:Data is safe because... (1, Troll)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345358)

Why attack Sony? Everything Sony did to tick off these "hackers" was the same thing any self-preserving company would have done. Are they mad that GeoHot settled out of court? Boo-freaking-hoo.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345822)

The correct version of that statement would be that they are mad at them for going after him at all, for restoring functionality that was an advertised feature when people had purchased the console to begin with. This is only part of the myriad of reasons informed consumers are pissed off with sony. audio cd's with rootkits, poor quality exploding batteries, the fact that they put profit and marketing information priorities ahead of the security of their customers, the list just goes on and on.

Sony is under attack because they are a terrible corporation that goes out of its way to be especially incompetent and evil even by the standards of modern day corporations to the point that someone has decided to do something about it.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346180)

I imaging you would have a slightly different opinion if someone was to crack your system and get a hold of your personal information. Going after large organizations to inflict damage in protest is one thing but nobody seems to recognize that they have caused more damage to the customers than to the company. There is a world wide market for stolen customer data, especially credit card info. How many people had to contact their credit card company for new cards after some of these attacks? How many customers will have to recover from the damage to their credit rating if their information actually gets used fraudulently? And finally the guys perpetrating these acts have handed the government all they need to start passing laws and restrictions on the Internet.

Their princess was in another castle. (5, Funny)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344562)

> I can't think of anything Nintendo has ever done to justify this.

LulzSec was mad because their princess was in another castle.

Re:Their princess was in another castle. (2)

Bloodwine77 (913355) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344758)

... or because you can't backup licenses in Mario Kart Wii. After unlocking all the extra tracks, vehicles, and characters for my 5 year old daughter, she somehow manages to delete her license. It has happened twice now.

Re:Their princess was in another castle. (1)

PwnzerDragoon (2014464) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345380)

I don't know how far you're willing to get into it, but if you can get the Homebrew Channel and/or BootMii on you Wii you could use them to back up your data. If nothing else, BootMii can image the flash memory in your Wii and you can restore it to its former state at any time.

Re:Their princess was in another castle. (1)

flowwolf (1824892) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345422)

Thats a big deal and they deserve to have all their trade secrets hacked from their servers over it!!

Re:Their princess was in another castle. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345582)

You need to get a new daughter. Make sure that the Nintendo seal of approval is on the package.

Re:Their princess was in another castle. (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345636)

There is homebrew software that allows you to bypass the copy protection and back up saved games and channels that are blocked from copying in the system software. Google around for instructions on how to install the Homebrew Channel and get started.

Re:Their princess was in another castle. (5, Interesting)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345710)

... or because you can't backup licenses in Mario Kart Wii.

FYI, you can copy your data to an SD card [nintendo.com] , and then just remove the card.

Re:Data is safe because... (5, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344638)

Attacking PBS is altruistic? Is Big Bird really that much of a dick?

Re:Data is safe because... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344670)

They attacked PBS for broadcasting US government anti-freedom propaganda. Yes, I see that as altruistic. PBS deserved it for what they did.

Re:Data is safe because... (4, Interesting)

trytoguess (875793) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344936)

I saw the alleged "anti freedom propaganda." The worst thing you could say about that Frontline episode is that they asked hard questions, and didn't portray the people in the episode as automatic heroes. What propaganda was in that show exactly?

Re:Data is safe because... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345560)

You think the Frontline Wikileaks episode was the sole reason? Sorry, pal, but PBS has done way more than that to harm the causes of freedom in the world, and the Wikileaks episode isn't the only government propaganda their guilty of spewing.

Also, you appear to have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. Assange is a hero and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, pure and simple. There is no "other side" to the story, any more than there's an "other side" to the belief that the Earth orbits the Sun.

Re:Data is safe because... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345794)

Suggesting that any perspective is the one true way to see something, and denying any other possibility as you do, really makes it sound as though you are the one who has been indoctrinated. You may want to rethink your presentation.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

trytoguess (875793) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345874)

You think the Frontline Wikileaks episode was the sole reason? Sorry, pal, but PBS has done way more than that to harm the causes of freedom in the world, and the Wikileaks episode isn't the only government propaganda their guilty of spewing.

It's the reason why LulzSec did what they did according to security week [securityweek.com] . If you have any additional information, I am genuinely interested.

Also, you appear to have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. Assange is a hero and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, pure and simple. There is no "other side" to the story, any more than there's an "other side" to the belief that the Earth orbits the Sun.

And it seems you didn't watch the episode in question. Most of it dealt with Mannings, not Assange. The only really critical thing I can recall being mentioned about Assange is that the NY Times and Daniel Domscheit-Berg both mentioned that he was a difficult person to work with. Sure, Frontline did ask him to opine on some of the negative repercussions and views his actions might create, but such questions are vital to understanding his mindset, and maybe nabbing some fence sitters. An interview that simply praised Assange would be a rather pointless one after all.

Re:Data is safe because... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36346138)

No, I didn't. PBS is government-funded propaganda, I know enough to watch it. And I thought that everyone on Slashdot already knows about the anti-Manning smear campaign being waged by the US government. But if you want me to say it, I will: Manning is a hero. A hero to freedom, and a hero to America.

And, yes, anyone who claims anything else deserves what's coming to them.

And, honestly, I personally don't care what reasons LulzSec had for the hack. PBS had it coming. They are a public "service" that uses tax money to spread lies.

Even if LulzSec only cared about one specific lie doesn't change the fact that PBS deserved it.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

trytoguess (875793) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346308)

At this point, I really got to ask, what is your rationale(s) for believing that PBS is propaganda? How are they going aginst The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967?

For what it's worth I do think what Assange is doing is a positive thing overall, but I dislike the word hero. It elevates people to an unrealistic pedestal, and encourages an uncritical view of people that ignores any negatives. It makes us expect too much from those that inherit the title, and to an extent, makes us expect too much from ourselves as well.

If you didn't know about LulzSec's motivations, ya really shouldn't have brought them as supporters for your vendetta against PBS...

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36346004)

Assange is a hero and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, pure and simple.

Assange is not a hero and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, pure and simple.

see what i did there? retard.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346236)

Also, you appear to have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. Assange is a hero and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, pure and simple. There is no "other side" to the story, any more than there's an "other side" to the belief that the Earth orbits the Sun.

Are you fucking kidding me? Whether or not Assange is a hero, saying something like this is pretty clear evidence that your opinions have been entirely replaced by somebody's propaganda.

Also, if you look at the bigger picture, the Earth orbits the solar barycenter, which is not always inside the surface of the sun (though it is always quite close).

Re:Data is safe because... (1, Interesting)

Omestes (471991) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346396)

Assange is a hero and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, pure and simple.

No, he's a dick that had a nice idea. He's still and asshole though. If anyone is a hero in the whole story it would be Manning.

Though, I agree, the Frontline special was a bit moronic. I really doubt that Manning turned leaker only because he was a "troubled gay" like they portrayed. I find it amusing that neither Frontline or Assange actually tried to discus any plausible motive that he had to leak that information.

I'm not sure what your other beef with PBS is... It is leagues better than the networks for quality reporting. Not perfect, but media never has been.
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Re:Data is safe because... (1)

Lanteran (1883836) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345120)

Citation?

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345384)

No, but Elmo is.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345902)

It was in retaliation for a WikiLeaks documentary.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344642)

They're doing it for "teh lulz", most likely.

And I also doubt most of the recent Sony hacks have been vengeance. The first one, yeah, probably, and justifiably so. Everything after that was just petty crooks - they smelled blood in the water, and swarmed.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344646)

Eh, I think it was like:

  "See, we can hack anyone we like, but we're only releasing Sony's data. Know why that is, Sony? Huh? It's because YOU FUCKED WITH THE WRONG ROFLCOPTER!!"

Not so much "pointlessly lashing out".

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345942)

i'm sorry but this is completely incorrect and you are wrong.

It was the wrong CLOWN BALLOON.

Actually about Sony? (3, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344734)

I have to say, this is the first time the news of LulzSec hacking has actually made me mad. Everything else they've done could be argued to be altruistic, but this is just pointlessly lashing out at anyone they find. I can't think of anything Nintendo has ever done to justify this.

Actually, i wonder if this was intended as a PR move intended to help Nintendo with the primary intent actually being to further damage Sony. Sony's been in the news for weeks for getting hacked multiple times and losing tons of data about customers. Now Nintendo gets hacked, but it's pretty minor and no customer data was compromised. Doesn't that make Sony look even worse in comparison?

We've already got people in this very thread saying this means Nintendo's way of doing things is better Sony's. I'm not going to take sides on that issue, but if LulzSec's goal was to get people to criticize Sony in comparison to Nintendo then they seem to have succeeded.

Re:Actually about Sony? (0)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345014)

To be honest, it sounds like quite a clever move, even though I don't condone anything hackers do, despite the evilness of their victims.

Is this not just LulzSec "giving the bird" to Sony once again? i.e. "We could have attacked Nintendo but we chose not to because we actually quite like them but hate you?"

If you think about it, it's quite elegant - giving Sony another kick without actually touching anything owned by Sony? I know I shouldn't admire them but I quite like their cheekiness.

Re:Actually about Sony? (1, Troll)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345174)

Much like Anonymous and their "decision" to not bring down Amazon around christmas time this was probably another case of trying, failing, then claiming they never tried.

tl;dr: lulzsec == fail.

Re:Actually about Sony? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345308)

Good point, and i just realized a third aspect. Now that Nintendo has been hacked it may even reduce the odds of them getting hacked again in the future. The main reasons for hacking a place are for the prestige/challenge, for profit, because of a grudge, or, well, just for the lulz. Sony seems to be getting hit for profit and for grudges, and possibly for lulz as well (haha, it's funny to kick them when they're down.)

At least from what other people have been saying it sounds like LulzSec hit Nintendo just for the challenge. It's possible someone may want to try and outdo them, but at least Nintendo doesn't have the "never been hacked" target on their back anymore.

Re:Actually about Sony? (2)

flowwolf (1824892) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345444)

Stop pretending that the members of lulz security, operation anon, anonymous, 4chan, whatever you call them; are part of some sort of moral higher ground. They hacked nintendo get steal valuable information. plain and simple. Any other motives they pretend to have are contrary to their actions. Vigilante groups like them will just lead to harsher regulation laws that hurt people like me, the consumer and benefit corporations like the one they're supposedly fighting.

Re:Actually about Sony? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345534)

Stop pretending that all those groups (and even the members within a single group) belong to some kind of monolithic homogenous whole. Anonymous definitely did a DDOS on Sony due to a grudge. They may also have hacked Sony for profit, or some other group may have hacked Sony for profit at the same time. And other people do hack sites just for the lulz or the challenge. It's not clear at this point if that's all LulzSec is in it for, but they certainly didn't get any profit out of devoting effort to taking down the 2600 servers.

Re:Actually about Sony? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345654)

Agreed. But if you are a Sony customer who has been affected by the outage, and you have every right to be angry at being affected, then you should also be asking yourself why Sony had such little resilience and backup in place such that the outage you suffered was not more than a few hours, rather than a whole month.

Once the data was stolen, Sony could do nothing but let their customers know the risks of that data getting out into the open and then securing their systems to stop it happening it again. They decided to take their servers down for a month and not put something temporary in place just to give you and other subscribers some kind of the service that you paid for.

If you care about data protection then you have systems in place constantly monitoring for attacks onto your systems, and an alarm should be raised when something out of the ordinary starts to happen. If you've put a proper contingency in place then you can, for instance, stop worrying about credit card payments for a while and drop your customers an email with a temporary account onto backup servers while you investigate the main problem.

If you care about deliveriing proper customer service, there is absolutely no excuse for having important servers offline for a month, unless you've done absolutely nothing in the way of risk assessment and contigency planning and/or care more about you as an organisation losing money than giving your customers the service they have already paid for.

Re:Actually about Sony? (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345726)

"We could have attacked Nintendo but we chose not to because we actually quite like them but hate you?"

I think it was more, "Look, Sony, we hacked Nintendo just as easily, but they don't have terabytes of customer data stored in plaintext for us to steal, dumbfucks!"

Re:Data is safe because... (2)

ninetyninebottles (2174630) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344848)

I can't think of anything Nintendo has ever done to justify this.

Nintendo consoles are made by Foxconn in China and Nintendo does not release any public information about how or if they assure that human rights abuses are not taking place. Do they use underage workers, workers forced to work unacceptably long hours, and workers forced to work in dangerous conditions? Maybe, probably, but we sure don't know and Nintendo isn't performing and publishing audits of third world manufacturing facilities and telling us when they stop doing business because of abuses (as a very few companies have). Nintendo devices use minerals mined by slave labor in Africa. Nintendo arguably has serious problems with toxic chemicals from their discarded devices and manufacturing processes polluting the environment.

All of the above are reasons why someone might be upset with Nintendo and think they need to pressure them to make changes. I'm not saying those are the reasons, but then, maybe you should not assume Nintendo has done no wrong unless you research a bit.

Re:Data is safe because... (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344994)

Yes, these abuses are bad, but what would the alternative be? Massive poverty and unemployment. The problem isn't Nintendo, but is rooted in the Chinese government and the Chinese culture. Without large companies like Foxconn, the alternative most likely wouldn't be a higher standard of living, but instead would be more agricultural work, which is often more dangerous and almost always pays lower than factory work.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345050)

It's the "VHS vs. Betamax" argument once again - Betamax was technically a better system but VHS had porno movies and that's why Joe Public favoured VHS.

I'm ready to stand corrected but I'd be very surprised if any electronics manufacturer today wasn't having assembly done in China where human rights abuses are probably taking place on the factory floors.

But the fact is, Joe Public just sees CDs that he cannot rip on his computer, horror stories of secretly installed Sony rootkits, and some option to boot Linux on his PS3 has now gone - hence Sony appears infinitely more evil than Nintendo.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344900)

Also it's fast. I needed like 1-2 hours to get a 360 connected to the internet and ready to download demos and stuff, the Wii shows you the TOS and lets you into the store. No need to make three different accounts and deal with email verification and whatnot.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345322)

Nintendo actually cares about their customers' privacy ... I can't think of anything Nintendo has ever done to justify this.

This is the company that got their Wii hacked because they couldn't implement RSA (They chose to do a string comparison where binary was needed).

Also the same guys that keep trying to kill off homebrew and go around harassing the homebrew devs.

They would be hard pressed to be more anti consumer, but I bet we see a better attempt anyway with the Wii's successor. Me thinks you've been imbibing of the coolaid, or you're a Wii fanboi, or a Nintendo astroturf monkey.

But what's the alternative? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346252)

Also the same guys that keep trying to kill off homebrew and go around harassing the homebrew devs.

But what alternative do you recommend? Which maker of set-top video game appliances is friendly to homebrew devs?

Nintendo friends must be mutual (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346278)

Nintendo just gives you a short number. You give it to your friends.

The problem here is that online games on Nintendo platforms don't give me the choice to host a game for anyone who has added my friend code or whose friend code I have added. It works only for mutual friends: anyone who has added my friend code and whose friend code I have added.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344634)

Have fun being an internet tough guy, it's good sitting safe inside your home where nobody can ever whoop your ass for making whiny threats.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344896)

lol recursion

Re:Data is safe because... (5, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344700)

This whole thread is so full of troll...

"The data is safe because Nintendo doesn't provide the same level of service as Sony", is somehow turned into "the data is safe because Sony is a bad company and Nintendo is good".

One of the really funny things about defending the way Nintendo does it is that if you buy a new console, you can't even redownload your purchases. With Sony, you just log in with your PSN ID, and download away! Isn't that usually the argument against online purchases? That you have to re-buy everything? Yet since Sony is the one doing it right, you guys find no trouble contorting yourself to make it look like it's the other way around.

And this is clearly an attempt by LulzSec to make Nintendo look good and Sony look bad, by the very same double-standard. They say they didn't want to hurt Nintendo. But they clearly wanted to hurt Sony. So they tried to hurt Sony, but didn't try to hurt Nintendo, but the headline reads as though Nintendo was hacked, but their security kept customer data safe, when reality is that there was no customer data to steal, and LulzSec didn't seem interested in doing any damage other than to prove they were there.

As a company, I like Nintendo much more than Sony, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of reality. In terms of online offerings and capabilities, Sony is way ahead of Nintendo. Spinning this as a good thing is just absurd.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344834)

This whole thread is so full of troll...

Yourself included, right? Because...

One of the really funny things about defending the way Nintendo does it is that if you buy a new console, you can't even redownload your purchases.

Is flat-out untrue. Try calling Nintendo's customer support line next time. You can get a new console with all your existing purchases still on it. And all without having your credit card information shared around the world!

Of course, I'm not sure why you'd need to, since it's not like Nintendo consoles routinely "yellow light of death" unlike, say...

Re:Data is safe because... (2)

Plombo (1914028) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344938)

One of the really funny things about defending the way Nintendo does it is that if you buy a new console, you can't even redownload your purchases

Yes, you can. You connect your Nintendo account to your Wii, and when you get a different Wii you connect it to the same Nintendo account.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345016)

One of the really funny things about defending the way Nintendo does it is that if you buy a new console, you can't even redownload your purchases

Yes, you can. You connect your Nintendo account to your Wii, and when you get a different Wii you connect it to the same Nintendo account.

Unless it has changed, that's not how it works. Your Virtual Console purchases are tied to your Wii.

Re:Data is safe because... (0)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344998)

As a company, I like Nintendo much more than Sony, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of reality. In terms of online offerings and capabilities, Sony is way ahead of Nintendo. Spinning this as a good thing is just absurd.

Aye, Sony is unsurpassed if you're shopping for somebody elses personal data. /flame

Re:Data is safe because... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345078)

One of the really funny things about defending the way Nintendo does it is that if you buy a new console, you can't even redownload your purchases

Call up Nintendo's tech support and you can transfer games if your other console breaks.

When it comes to Nintendo's DS line, nearly all DSi games can be transfered to the 3DS, with the exception of 11 games that either are getting re-made to take advantage of the new hardware (flipnote studio), had security flaws (sodoku) or had complex licensing (oregon trail).

And I have no doubt that when Project Cafe is released, the same thing will work with Wii Ware and Virtual Console titles.

The difference isn't really a technical thing, but the way that Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft look at consoles. Nintendo views consoles as something where (except in rare cases where one breaks) you really only buy one until they release the new version.

On the other hand, Sony/Microsoft view consoles as something to upgrade midway through the lifecycle (the new slim models of the PlayStation line, the new version of the Xbox). So it makes sense that Sony/MS makes it more straightforward to redownload things because they expect a large segment of their gamers to get the new console when it launches.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346108)

I don't think Sony expects many people to upgrade to a slim PS3, just as I don't think Nintendo expects many people to switch to a black Wii. And if you want to talk upgrade cycles, let's talk about Game Boys and DSs!

You're doing exactly what I'm talking about. Taking something and flipping it on its head solely in order to maintain the "Sony sucks, Nintendo is good" concept.

Re:Data is safe because... (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344710)

I'm a security guy and I think they are doing a great service for everyone... companies house a lot of very personal and private information and it is so common that they do not protect it or nowhere near to the level they should because they either do not fund it since they see no value in protecting it properly or they have short staffed their security/IT dept. so much that they can't have proper security. No matter what, burying you head in the sand or hoping they go away is the WORST possible option. They are no malicious unlike the real hackers stealing data every single minute of every day.

Re:Data is safe because... (2)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345296)

Also, if LulzSec doesn't get taken out soon, I'm fucking gonna find one of them and shit on their head. This is getting ridiculous.

Okay, I'll take a guess here and say you're a disgruntled PS3 user who's angry at not being able to get onto the PSN for over a month - and, quite frankly, if you're not getting a service you've paid for, you've every right to be hacked off about it. If you're not, then I apologise in advance.

Furthermore, I work in system security and whilst I'm grateful to hackers for creating a need for my job, I don't admire them for stealing stuff - sure, breaking into a system quietly without doing any harm and letting your victim know how you got in without going public perhaps has some genuinely altruistic motive but that's the extent of what defines a "good" hacker.

But you also need to think about this also. Why did Sony have absolutely no resilience in place such that the PS3 community only suffered, say, 24 hours of outage while they switched in backup systems, rather than a whole month? If customer data records have been stolen then once Sony have let their customers know it's happened, all they can really do is stop it happening again.

In which case, Sony's prime focus should have been to get their customers back online as quickly as possible, even if it meant that they just sent every user an email with a temporary password to a backup set of servers that at least gave them PSN access whilst they sorted the core security issues out.

I can tell you know with my knowledge of the security industry that every major company, particularly those perceived by some as "evil", is constantly under cyberattacks from Internet Robin Hoods who believe they will be doing the world a favour if they take those companies down - the fact is that those same companies don't reveal those attacks are happening because it's bad for business. The only time they WILL reveal attacks is when they have to let their customers know to take some action because their data has been stolen.

What I am actually saying here is that if you are one of these companies then if you are carefully watching those constant attacks on your systems, you are going to see an increase in activity when you make some announcement in the press, especially if it's one that's not popular. That's your warning that it's time to put some kind of resilience solution or failover process in place because the more you are repelling attacks on your systems, the more likely it is that one will actually get through and do some damage - hell, if you've any common sense, you'll predict this anyway and already have something in place *BEFORE* you make the unpopular announcement.

So what you really should be asking yourself is why, on the basis that in all likelihood Sony had plenty of warnings that such an attack would succeed, they did not put in place some contingency plans to, at best, stop the data being stolen in the first place or, at least, putting some backup systems in place to ensure some degree of service continuity when the attack finally occurred?

The fact is that they choose to take your personal data as part of their requirements of doing business with you, they therefore have the responsibility of ensuring the security protection of that data. And since they clearly haven't done that in this instance, despite having plenty of warning, what you and all the PS3 community should be doing is asking yourselves, and Sony, what it is you are actually paying your high monthly subscription fees for.

The hackers made it off with (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344428)

Over 1,000,000 gold coins and several thousand mushrooms.

Re:The hackers made it off with (4, Funny)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344486)

However, the data was in another castle.

Re:The hackers made it off with (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344540)

Over 1,000,000 gold coins and several thousand mushrooms.

... "And nothing of value was lost..."

Re:The hackers made it off with (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344602)

WHOOSH!!!

Re:The hackers made it off with (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344978)

According to today's exchange rate, those amount to 270 bean kingdom coins.

sure you did. (5, Insightful)

ubergamer1337 (912210) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344434)

"We just got a config file and made it clear that we didn't mean any harm" - AKA they were unable to get to any meaty stuff, and now claim altruism rather than failure.

Re:sure you did. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344480)

Especially because they claim to be blackhat and enjoy it.

Re:sure you did. (0)

TheCount22 (952106) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344588)

I wouldn't assume that they didn't have the ability simply because they act in an unethical manner towards Sony. But who knows.

Re:sure you did. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344644)

...now claim altruism rather than failure.

Actually, if you run through their twitter feed, they make clear that they have a special place in their hearts for Nintendo BEFORE they started hacking. Probably somebody called them chicken, and they decided to take the bet.

Motion Controls Fail Again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344436)

LulzSec would have been able to steal customer data (earning more lulz) if only the tacked on motion controls had been more responsive.

Brute forcing a waggle based password proved too difficult for this group of 1337 basement dwelling losers.

Re:Motion Controls Fail Again (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344460)

Heh yeah because Sony's implementation of a big ball at the end of their controller proved to be so much more secure.

Re:Motion Controls Fail Again (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344706)

Um... That was exactly the AC's point. The imprecision of the Wii controller made it more secure. (not a terribly funny joke to begin with, but if you're going to continue it, may as well get it right)

Re:Motion Controls Fail Again (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344716)

Yeah I fail. Feel free to point and laugh. :)

Re:Motion Controls Fail Again (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345056)

Well, I would but I haven't bought a Move controller yet and only have a Wii-mote handy, so...

Meanwhile at Sony.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344440)

Subject says it all.

Lulzsec is making companies enforce security? (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344442)

interesting. So they said "hey we can do this, you better secure your shit".
Is this a PR move by them or are they really worried about Nintendo's security?

Are they still using OSX Server? (2)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344458)

I once found out by chance & server fault they where using it when I was like 12 or something, & back then OS X was still a 'thing'. Since they've gone through at least 2 major web design revisions...

Re:Are they still using OSX Server? (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344780)

You can easily check it yourself. They are running apache on F5 Big-IP boxes, which are Linux-based systems.

The Nintendo castle is contantly being broken into (3, Funny)

rishistar (662278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344472)

..by Bowser but Mario always gets the data back.

But Mario stopped trying.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344818)

Once he found out that the "data" was "corrupted"

Poor web security five to ten years ago. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344500)

About five to ten years ago, out of boredom, I was trying to log in to various web servers via FTP. Some of Nintendo's allowed anonymous login that allowed one to traverse files on a few different networks. I don't recall how the setup was, but I do recall being able to see files on different lettered drives (C: drive, Z: drive, things like that). There were various files such as orignal artwork files in PSD formats for various video game artworks. We're talking original files, where when you view them at 100% file size, the character's eye fills more than height of a 800x600 resolution on the monitor. There was also access to data and image files related to upcoming video game releases, information that was going to be uploaded to some of their web sites, and so on. Lots of fun stuff.

Hopefully they've improved their security since then. I probably should have uploaded a text file to some visible locations back then with information in it on how insecure their setup was, but it was kind of neat being able to slip in and see what new files were being added, so you know...

Re:Poor web security five to ten years ago. (4, Informative)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344532)

That's their PR service for magazines and such. They keep it behind a password now, but it's still a bulk account that gets handed out, usually around E3. Sometimes the credentials leak and we get glimpses of press releases for unannounced games, embargoed stuff, full res artwork and everything.

Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344576)

Attacking these Japanese companies right after a natural disaster is like sneaking into a concentration camp to harass Jews to get extra lulz.

Still... (4, Interesting)

Nrrqshrr (1879148) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344590)

This is more humilating to Sony than to Nintendo.

Nintendo will get away with it unharmed, they have actually proven that people's data is "secure".
Sony on the other hand....

Re:Still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345760)

Not really.

They just got pulled down to Sony's level. Their security is just as bad given that they have been successfully hacked as well.

It just that their service is so bare-bones, there is nothing to steal.

I guess they were running Linux just like Sony :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344612)

..

Re:I guess they were running Linux just like Sony (2)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344976)

You reasoning is not logical.

If they were, as you say, running Linux like Sony then that would possibly serve to explain a scenario where Nintendo were hacked in an identical way to Sony.

However, in this case, Nintendo did not suffer the same fate as Sony - therefore I can only assume that either:

a) the hackers were unsuccessful in their attempt to hack Nintendo, in which case it might be concluded that this was because Nintendo use an entirely different OS set up to Sony to which the hackers have less expertise in discovering flaws, or,

b) the hackers made a conscious decision not to attack Nintendo despite being able to use the same attack vectors on Nintendo as they did on Sony.

In both of the above, both Sony and Nintendo running Linux (if such is the case) does not serve to explain why Sony was hacked and Nintendo wasn't.

One must therefore conclude that your statement was an attempt at humour which failed dismally. But thanks for trying anyway.

Re:I guess they were running Linux just like Sony (1)

Lanteran (1883836) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345184)

If you're running unpatched servers with no firewall and you've pissed off major hacker organizations, it matters not what operating system you run, you will be compromised.

Re:I guess they were running Linux just like Sony (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345388)

If you are running servers that face the internet and you have pissed off major hacker organizations, you will be compromised. It makes no difference if you are running the newest patched versions because the majority of them have exploits that have not been patched and may not even be discovered by the developers of the software, especially with large, popular pieces of software such as Apache.

Brick Nintendo? (4, Interesting)

jdb2 (800046) | more than 3 years ago | (#36344624)

I wonder if this has anything to do with the FSF's "Brick Nintendo" [defectivebydesign.org] campaign [defectivebydesign.org] . Perhaps the hacker in question was trying to further the FSF's efforts with regard to bringing attention to the super-draconian TOS of the 3DS, but in the wrong way of course. Since this is not "Anonymous" it makes me think that the answer to the former hypothesis is "no" and this is just another immature teenager up to stupid sh*t.

Oh, BTW, have you bought and sent your bricks [defectivebydesign.org] yet?

jdb2

Re:Brick Nintendo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345094)

Nope. I just couldn't do that to Nintendo. If they ask, I bend over. I'm that much of a fanboy.

Anyway, it's not like it sending them bricks would help at all. They'll just have Mario jump into them to harvest coins, while Iwata watches and laughs.

Re:Brick Nintendo? (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345390)

I wonder if this has anything to do with the FSF's "Brick Nintendo" campaign...

this is just another immature teenager up to stupid sh*t.

This is the first I've heard of FSF's "Brick Nintendo" campaign. Which seems to be fully up to its usual sophomore beer blast spring break standards.

Re:Brick Nintendo? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345472)

I doubt that it has anything to do with "Brick Nintendo" because out of all the companies, Nintendo is easily the most homebrew friendly. Yes, Nintendo has released a few pointless updates to the Wii simply to prevent homebrew to be run, but they are few and far between, but a console running homebrew still can do all the things an unmodded console can do. Modified Xbox consoles can't access Microsoft's online service without risking being banned. And the PS3 has had multiple features disabled in the name of "security".

"Brick Nintendo" is just another FSF project with a noble goal, but really won't accomplish much. It makes a lot more sense if Lulzsec was devoted to the FSF to go after larger targets... Like Microsoft.

Where's the Wii counterpart to XNA? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36346374)

out of all the companies, Nintendo is easily the most homebrew friendly.

Then please explain Nintendo's lack of anything even remotely like Microsoft's App Hub and Xbox Live Indie Games. For example, Nintendo rejected Bob's Game solely because it was developed at home, as opposed to in an office. Microsoft, on the other hand, encourages home development; its most significant requirement that I can see is that a game has to be written from the ground up for Microsoft platforms.

Re:Brick Nintendo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345668)

But LulzSec ARE Anonymous. They are actual Anonymous, well, a group under the heading of Anonymous.
They are the ones who felt particularly towards black-hatted hacking and cracking, rather than the white-hats and several shades of gray-hats.

The ones you are thinking of, the group you hear about defacing sites with flashing gifs or attacking some new-age nazi web-radio guy?
They are pawns. All those people who troll on imageboards all day long are simple pawns that the actual Anonymous groups recruit for whatever needs they require them for.
Sometimes quite a few of those recruit jobs fail, sometimes almost all of them are in agreement with some attacks (Scientology in particular, but many of them gave up on it after a while since they never saw anything to gain anyway, the sites themselves weren't really filled with much besides some embarrassing information)
The Scientology one, in fact, was much bigger than most people realise, even on here. A lot of the stuff against them hasn't even been reported on, actually.
Deep hacks. Actual physical intrusions. People being hunted down by Scientologists. (mainly all the protester people though, as far as I know nobody has went missing, at least all those who told someone else that they were going to them, those who never probably won't be known about anyway)

There are actual groups of Anonymous hackers. Very good hackers. There is constant fighting and even in-fighting between groups.
But you barely ever hear about this sort of stuff. Hacker groups are regularly targeted by them too.
I can remember one time in particular when even some fellow goons helped out against one group. (this was more of a gray-hat group in that they were more like vigilantes protecting the innocent and their own against a rather dick-ish group of hackers)
Not all of the Anonymous groups are dicks, but as always, large groups tend to have large sets of opinions and given the nature of the sites they browsed, made it easier to express those opinions.

well of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344954)

Because attacking Nintendo would deter their closet obsession of furry fandom vehicles (Smash brothers, Pokemon). Its pretty obvious where this 'lulz' agenda comes at.

what if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36344956)

on the crazy off chance, just throwing this out there... that this is a marketing stunt by nintendo? lulsec is known and hot, humiliates the competition further, while boosting nintendo's credibility lulsec gets in the news again with another "sucsessful" exploit nintendo cares about me or was this just a senseless jab a big company for no reason?

Crackers, not hackers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36345020)

Sigh. There is nothing remotely 'hackish' about this. I'm tired of the word 'hack' being hijacked- and if I were to be even more pedantic, I would say these folks are 'basement dwellers who couldn't hack their way out of a virtual box'. Though with ATD so fashionable, that might be too much.

Yes, I am a grumpy anonymous coward and proud of it. ARGH! :-)

Gratuitous subject (1)

danwesnor (896499) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345332)

How long would it take if the authentification system limited ot to one attempt per hour?

Re:Gratuitous subject (1)

danwesnor (896499) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345386)

Sorry, browser fart.

Re:Gratuitous subject (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36345508)

It is like every other authentication system, if it was one per hour and someone who has a job maintaining and running the servers made a typo, the company would be out of quite a bit of money and time. Oddly enough, a secure password is pretty easy to make typos when you are typing a password like ZH72$uew36fwz*eiwJjewiwifaghe32^.

Re:Gratuitous subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36346124)

This suggestion is new and interesting.

When passwords are cracked it's usually by getting ahold of the password hash file and doing your attacks against that.

Its not what they say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36346162)

Its not what LulzSec says, but what it does that should be watched. It would be my guess that its not that they didnt intend to do Nintendo any harm, but there was no real harm to be done.

Theyll deface a no-body joe's website for the lulz and recognition of superior skillz, but they wouldnt do anything to Nintendo once they gained access? Seriously? This recent event with the Fed site, and the discussion of them trying to extort $, became them 'trying to string him along' to see if he would bite. Sorry, but I'm not biting.

Interesting situation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36346224)

I'm not for one second going to defend these obnoxious asshats, but my thoughts are these: 1) It's about time america realizes how much they're putting on the internet and how insecure it really is. 2) If these guys are announcing their exploits- I can't help but wonder how many times nintendo, sony, and other big companies were hacked, silently data dumped, and either unaware or intentionally not announcing it since no one else tipped their hat.

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