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Apple WWDC: iOS 5, Lion, iCloud

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the get-a-haircut-and-get-a-steve-jobs dept.

Iphone 662

Steve Jobs was on hand today to kick off Apple's WWDC keynote. Lion took the lead, with no surprises except a $29.99 pricetag and a July ship date. iOS is getting a new "Notification Center"; Twitter is being integrated; he announced a split thumbable keyboard for iPads; wireless syncing; and a native IM system for iOS devices, shipping in the Fall. iCloud will be free, syncing apps (Mail, Calendar, Contacts and iWork apps) across devices. Photostream is iCloud for pictures. iTunes iCloud will let you re-download your tracks at last, and iTunes Match will let you match your ripped CDs to Apple's copies.

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Give us the betas! (1)

d3vi1 (710592) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353760)

While iCloud is as expected, I am still curious to see it in action. Will the terrible file management experience of iOS devices disappear with the iCloud?

Re:Give us the betas! (2)

roothog (635998) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353986)

It sounds like a rebranding of MobileMe (which was a rebranding of .mac). See it in action by signing up for MobileMe, and then wonder why all your email disappeared.

Re:Give us the betas! (5, Insightful)

TobyRush (957946) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354230)

Steve himself pointed out that MobileMe was a misstep. As someone who has cobbled together a cable-based home iTunes network, Gmail (via both a desktop/laptop web browser but also through iPhone's Mail app for notifications, etc.), Flickr & iPhoto, AppleTVs, a 60GB iPod, my wife's iPod Touch, Things for to do lists, etc., etc., etc., the only thing that is not encouraging to me about this is the thought of redoing everything again. But if Apple is actually putting some energy into this (and from the data center pictures, it looks like they are), it's might be too tempting to refuse.

And iTunes Match? Does anyone else find it baffling how they are getting away with this? I mean, for $25 I get legal versions of every single—ahem, questionably procured, shall we say— tracks in my gigantic iTunes library? Did the record companies read the fine print on this? I mean, as a voracious music consumer, I'm NOT complaining... we've all known for a long time that things were going to have to change in regard to digital media and copyright. And say what you will about them, I could see Apple being the company to make it happen. But really... how did they get away with this?

Re:Give us the betas! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354262)

R$25 *per year*

Re:Give us the betas! (4, Insightful)

tooyoung (853621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354078)

I think that the idea is that users don't interact with files and the file system. They interact with songs through the iTunes interface. I know there are a million and one reasons to do clever things with the file system organization for music, but I think that 99% of users don't really care about how their songs are laid out on the FS. They think of them as songs, not files.

iCloud - some on Mac and PC (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353762)

But will it run on Linux?

Your mother (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353768)

She's still a whore btw.

In other words... (5, Insightful)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353780)

...he introduced the Apple community to Android, Windows Phone 7, Linux, Windows, and OS X Snow Leopard.

Re:In other words... (4, Insightful)

roothog (635998) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353864)

As trollish as that looks, I was sort of thinking it too. I didn't realize how far behind the times Apple had gotten, until I saw the list of coming features and thought to myself, "I've had that for years".

Re:In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353918)

I work in a place with 62 employees and 61 apple desktops and I'm saying that to myself a lot, as well, with the term "on Windows" at the end. Of course, I don't really like windows because I feel everything should be UNIX and not just the simplified copy of UNIX that is Windows NT. And of course, all the users care about are how it looks, not what it does. Sigh.

Re:In other words... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353992)

I work in a place with 62 employees and 61 apple desktops and I'm saying that to myself a lot, as well, with the term "on Windows" at the end. Of course, I don't really like windows because I feel everything should be UNIX and not just the simplified copy of UNIX that is Windows NT. And of course, all the users care about are how it looks, not what it does. Sigh.

So you work with one smart person?

Re:In other words... (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354266)

That could be himself.

Or a janitor.

Re:In other words... (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354306)

I think he IS that one smart person...

Re:In other words... (0)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354098)

As trollish as that looks, I was sort of thinking it too. I didn't realize how far behind the times Apple had gotten, until I saw the list of coming features and thought to myself, "I've had that for years".

Which operating system out there now has a system-wide, OS-level resume or journaling function?

Re:In other words... (0)

jfanning (35979) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354132)

Windows 7.

Re:In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354154)

Windows 7.

Really? How do I enable it?

Re:In other words... (2)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354210)

Windows 7.

How do I enable those features? I'm on a Windows 7 Ultimate work laptop right now. I don't see the reboot and resume feature anywhere or the easy access to versioning.

Re:In other words... (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354204)

I read a lot of old school X-Men comic books growing up, and while there were plenty of inconsistencies both when measured against the X-Men canon and even internally, I found that the overall excellent writing and clever use of mutant powers won me over. This movie was a lot more subtle than its predecessors, from the 60's touches to the stronger focus on the characters, and I appreciated that...not!

They made some weird choices for characters. I don't know if Jesus even has a precedent (probably not, given his character's treatment), but who was the guy who blew the tornadoes? George Bush? Louis Theroux was also an odd choice. He doesn't really belong in the Hellfire club, from what I can tell, though he does set up Nightcrawler fairly well.

And...what the HELL happened to all of that energy Shaw sucked out of the submarine? I felt his powers were somewhat poorly defined to begin with, but when you suck a nuclear submarine's batteries dry, doesn't that energy go *somewhere*? Even up your ass?

I suppose it could be explained away in one way or another...like a fart....but it would have made a lot more sense if there were an explosion or some other kind of awesome manifestation of the power he ate (like a magic mushroom).

Stock is down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353952)

Match sounds good, but looks like people expected more than a me too announcement.

Re:Stock is down (0)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354020)

Stock usually goes up on rumors and down the day of a Keynote.

Re:In other words... (3, Insightful)

ibmjones (52133) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354176)

...he introduced the Apple community to . . . OS X Snow Leopard.

OS X Snow Leopard? Who makes that?

Re:In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354178)

true...but, those 5 are not currently unified into a single experience. what apple announced is a single unification of the best of all modern portable and desktop technologies, not necessarily dependent upon, but inclusive to all current Apple hardware.

Didn't you know? (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354320)

Apple always does it last.

Then they do it best.

That's the MO that they have been repeating for years.

You just caught on?

No install media, no deal (1)

alcourt (198386) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353792)

The comment that there will be no install media for OS X 10.7 is a show stopper to me.

Re:No install media, no deal (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353854)

There's got to be some way to install it to disk or USB drive (presumably via the disk utility). Otherwise there's no way to restore from a dead hard drive. It'd be madness to have the App Store as the only install option.

Re:No install media, no deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354064)

Madness? This is Apple!

Re:No install media, no deal (2)

Kielistic (1273232) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354110)

I'm sure they'd be happy to do it for you at the Apple Store. You're not supposed to be servicing the hard drive in the first place as I understand it.

Re:No install media, no deal (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354236)

You're not supposed to care what a hard drive is in the first place as I understand it.

FTFY...

Re:No install media, no deal (1)

RockClimbingFool (692426) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354292)

Umm... You bought a Mac there buddy, not a computer. You have issues you are supposed to pay Apple their tithe to get it fixed, not fix it yourself.

I am not trying to be trollish, but iPhones, iPads, iPods are not supposed to be user serviceable items. Maybe this is just another step Apple is taking to movetheir computer business to a similar revenue stream model? Look at the MacBook Airs for example, i don't believe anything about them is supposed to be user serviceable. I am not sure about the standard MacBooks, I don't own one..

Re:No install media, no deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353866)

The comment that there will be no install media for OS X 10.7 is a show stopper to me.

Which comment was that? Link or it didn't happen.

Re:No install media, no deal (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353876)

I have heard elsewhere that there might be a burnable disc image, but no confirmation yet.

Could be a good way to do it. The App Store downloads the image, mounts it and installs. You can go in later and burn it to disc.

Re:No install media, no deal (2)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354136)

It has already been reported that the App Store is an preferred option for upgrading, but I have no doubt you will be able to purchase it as well. Without a physical media option, it would be difficult to do system work (repairs, installs, etc) when you lack an internet connection.

Ref: http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/04/mac-os-x-10-7-lion-to-be-distributed-through-mac-app-store/ [osxdaily.com]

Distribution of Lion through the Mac App Store for all users is not too surprising considering it’s the primary method for developers to download and install the Developer Preview releases. This is not to say that a corresponding DVD installer will not be released alongside the digital distribution. Last month, a placeholder for a Lion installation DVD showed up on German Amazon, and there continues to be a possibility that Lion will also appear on USB installer keys for MacBook Air and Mac Mini Server users.

They already ship the Macbook Air installer on a thumb drive. I see no reason why that would change for users with caps on their internet plan, or for people who simply don't want to download it.

Re:No install media, no deal (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353974)

The announcement said that it will be available from the online store, in addition to conventional distribution channels. There are enough reasons to dislike Apple products, without making up imaginary ones.

Re:No install media, no deal (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354104)

From the macrumors live updates:

10:37 am Lion available only on Mac App Store

We'll see ...

Huh? (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354062)

I have a Macbook and have used my superdrive like twice in the past year. I would rather devote that space to more battery.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354144)

You're not holding it right! If you're grabbing it at the sides it's no wonder you couldn't get the disks in!

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354194)

Thanks for your input. Now hush a minute, the grown-ups are talking.

iCloud... great but not great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353800)

This is going to eat into monthly caps imposed by ISPs. And no, not everyone has a choice of ISP. For some of us it's either internet or no internet, we can't vote with our wallet by going somewhere else.

Re:iCloud... great but not great (1)

xjerky (128399) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353852)

I'd assume that you can opt out of the iCloud stuff. At least I hope so, since I definitely do not software updates being automatically pushed to my jailbroken devices.

Re:iCloud... great but not great (1)

lrsach01 (181713) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353946)

That was my first thought. BUt THere was something about "Wifi" only in the presentation... well.. at least on Engadget's Liveblog.

Re:iCloud... great but not great (2)

dhall (1252) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354006)

Wifi won't bypass ISP caps. It will only bypass cellular caps.

Granted it gives you 2 buckets to overflow instead of just one.

Maybe some links would be nice? (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353808)

I mean really, maybe some information beyond this vaguely twitter-esque, detail-lacking post? A picture of something? This is about as low-content as you can go while still technically providing information.

Or at least put it in a separate "here's my live slashdot blog" section.

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353858)

It's all going to be info cribbed from the event which ended only a few minutes ago. What do you really expect?

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354074)

Some sort of added value in the form of editorial commentary, or similar? Maybe pose some interesting questions about the topic at hand? Since when has slashdot been in the business of "You heard it here first, folks?" It's an aggregator. So aggregate. :)

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (2, Informative)

roothog (635998) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353904)

Just go anywhere on the web. Anywhere. Everybody's covering this today, finding more information isn't exactly hard.

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (1, Insightful)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353994)

Then why post low-content live-bloggish "articles" here on slashdot? Post an article linking to one or two of those live blogs instead, or even add some sort of editorial commentary to the post.

What was posted, though, I expect to be signed as "Sent from my Android" or similar.

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353988)

In the time it took you to type your comment, you could have Googled "WWDC 2011 live blog" and found some links yourself. I watched the blog first, then came to /.

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354156)

And I take it you got a lot of value out of subsequently stopping by /.? Oh, right, the "article" provided absolutely no additional information, or insight, or even posed any questions about the topic at hand. ;)

My comment wasn't about being able to find the information elsewhere, it was instead a long version of "why did they bother posting this?"

Re:Maybe some links would be nice? (1)

TobyRush (957946) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354300)

For my own part, after watching the liveblog of the keynote, I came to /. to see what the grown-ups were saying about it.

I skipped Snow Leopard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353810)

But I will definitely go for Lion at $29. The thing is, how will it be made available to Leopard users? Jobs said it was Mac App Store-only.

No new hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36353814)

:(

I skipped Snow Leopard (4, Insightful)

xjerky (128399) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353826)

But I will definitely go for Lion at $29. The thing is, how will it be made available to Leopard users? Jobs said it was Mac App Store-only.

(posting non-anon this time)

Re:I skipped Snow Leopard (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353906)

Install Snow Leopard? Then download Lion? Isn't SL like $20 now? Or you can borrow the discs from someone.

Re:I skipped Snow Leopard (3, Informative)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354036)

Buying SL for the sake of getting Lion is spending money for the sake of it. No his concern is genuine. I thought this too as I watched the photo slideshow... There must be a way of burning it or acquiring it through a non internet distributed channel.

Pst. (1)

earls (1367951) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354310)

Step into my office! *pops trunk*

Where's the infrared transmogrifier? (2, Funny)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353860)

I can't wait to give away my freedom. How much longer?

Re:Where's the infrared transmogrifier? (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354206)

Hopefully it'll be released at the same time as flying cars and Duke Nukem Forever.

Oh wait, scratch that last one. Just the flying cars as the last defense, then.

Oh how times change (3, Insightful)

Xunker (6905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353902)

2001: Record labels sue my.mp3.com in to oblivion.
2011: Record labels can't wait to suck on the iTunes Cloud teat.

Re:Oh how times change (4, Insightful)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353980)

2001: Record labels sue my.mp3.com in to oblivion.
2011: Record labels can't wait to suck on the iTunes Cloud teat.

In between: Some major payment of money from Apple to the record companies.

OS X Server (1)

kdogg73 (771674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353940)

OS X Server is now integrated in the Lion OS [apple.com] . It does not say, but it once speculated to cost extra [macrumors.com] for the service. But Apple's site leads me to believe it does not.

Re:OS X Server (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354190)

OS X Server, or xSAN?

itunes match: 25 dollar insurance..??? (2)

simp (25997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353948)

So for a 25 dollar "insurance" fee I can match all the mp3s that I can find op my harddisk to songs in the itunes cloud and then those (legal) itunes songs will be downloaded to all my devices? That's an offer that I can't refuse.

And won't the music industry go apeshit over this?

Re:itunes match: 25 dollar insurance..??? (1, Troll)

Servaas (1050156) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354012)

I care nothing for iTunes but for 25 dollars a pardon for past download crimes even I could go apeshit over.

Re:itunes match: 25 dollar insurance..??? (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354048)

Well, if you think about it. You were pretty unlikely to spend *anything* on those songs again. So now they get $25 out of you that they otherwise were unlikely to get. Not a bad deal.

Re:itunes match: 25 dollar insurance..??? (1)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354092)

Nah, they got brought out by Apple. I have a feeling Apple pays them for every song that has to be uploaded (not in their library) which probably shuts them up. Remember, the music industry likes money, Apple has plenty. They'll make a killing off the $25 fee anyway, so there's plenty spare to throw at the labels for being idiots. Hopefully these labels will shrink over the decade anyway until they're not even worth paying off.

Matching my music with iTunes store? (0)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353956)

iTunes iCloud will let you re-download your tracks at last, iTunes Match will let you match your ripped CDs to Apple's copies.

Couldn't Apple just store my music in the cloud like Google is going to?

I really doubt that iTunes is going to have a copy of "Southern Smoke (vol 5)" or "Armin Van Buren - A State of Trance Episode 425"

I'd only be able to hear my mainstream music at best. We still don't really know exactly what "matching" music really means.

Once again iTunes is passing off fundamentally flawed technology as a good thing, and the press is eating it up.

I can't wait for Google Music. I would feel bad for the folks stuck on the iPhone, but most of them seem to love their locked down phone. To each his own.

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (0)

sdhankin (213671) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354004)

What it means is that if you have songs that iTunes carries, they won't have to be copied to the Cloud. The others you mention just get copied up. For most people, it means a much shorter transfer time.

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (1, Insightful)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354068)

so basically it's exactly like dropbox et al

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (2)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354056)

Once again iTunes is passing off fundamentally flawed technology as a good thing, and the press is eating it up.

Where does it say you must use the Match service to use the iCloud service? You're making a lot of assumptions from very little information.

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354100)

If it doesn't have your music, you upload your own files.

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (1)

FunnyStrange (974343) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354124)

According to the live feed I was following (macrumorslive.com), Jobs explicitly said you could upload any songs they don't have. Otherwise, you get access to their 256kbps copies.

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (1)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354174)

Well.. I guess I was wrong.

Good.

Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354212)

A quick search shows iTunes has "A State of Trance 500", as well as years 2008-2011. They had Southern Smoke 18, but I didn't see 5. So no, they won't have every random mixtape, but you might be surprised at what is available. Then again, you'll probably never look so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Try Subsonic (1)

psyclone (187154) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354216)

Why store all your music in "the cloud" when you can serve it yourself to any browser and many devices (iphone, android, etc) from a PC you control using Subsonic [subsonic.org] ?

Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (1)

NevarMore (248971) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353972)

I have a small, but growing stable of Macs in my house. I read on Engadget that, "it will run you just $29.99 for all of your authorized Macs." Does this mean that its $30 or $60 to upgrade the two Macs I have that are tied to my iTunes account?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/os-x-lion-all-the-details/ [engadget.com]

Re:Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (2)

roothog (635998) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354058)

For Snow Leopard, the $30 upgrade disks were good for up to 5 systems, if I remember. Probably similar for Lion.

Re:Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354240)

Snow Leopard: One computer was $30. The family upgrade pack (up to five computers) was more (now $49).

Lion: For all computers in a household (one or more), the price is $29.99.

Apple doesn't use DRM, so you're on the honor system here.

Re:Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354112)

Two Macs doesn't make a stable. Five Macs might be a stable; I assume your other Macs are older.

To answer your question, both Macs in your house can be upgraded for a one-time charge of $29.99.

Re:Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354234)

It means $30, just like the way apps on the Mac App Store work. As long as you're sharing the same iTunes account on all.

Re:Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (1)

FunnyStrange (974343) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354260)

I believe that, like all App Store purchases, you get to install on up to 5 machines. Essentially the same as the old Family Pack.

Re:Is that $30 per machine? Family pack? (1)

2starr (202647) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354302)

$30. It's tied to your Apple Store account, just like other App Store purchases.

Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (-1, Troll)

Chitlenz (184283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36353996)

I was hoping for some new iphone ... or flash support... or SOMETHING new. Icloud? SERIOUSLY?

I think it's painfully evident that programmers and marketing people think completely differently about tech at this point. To me, The Cloud (TM) was the SAN 10 years ago (storage area network), and it changes absolutely NOTHING. Except maybe now apple can cut you off from your own computer whenever they feel like it.

No thanks, come back when you guys learn to innovate again though and we'll try again, mmk?

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (1)

iMouse (963104) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354066)

I was hoping for some new iphone ... or flash support... or SOMETHING new.

....flash support? hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (1, Insightful)

Chitlenz (184283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354168)

I was hoping for some new iphone ... or flash support... or SOMETHING new.

....flash support? hahahahahahahahahahahaha

yeah its screwed up isn't it?

Apple's approach to developers is

1) We get to claim 30% of your revenue
2) You have to live in a box and learn "our way" to stay there
3) We can change the rules at any time

It's almost dystopian, how the hell do they expect to attract developers with these kinds of restrictions?

It has never been more clear that Wonziak did all the work, and Jobs did the marketing, and we all know who ended up running the place.

Seriously, in the early 90's I wrote a lot of software on a 7200 PPC Apple, and loved it, but I just can't get into the new Macs. They feel like the government with all the rules.

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (1)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354182)

Yeah I still don't get this request for flash. It's like a request for adverts too. Do you Want those? seriously?

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (1)

Chitlenz (184283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354282)

What I really want is Silverlight, which won't ever happen because of strictly political reasons between MS and Apple. It's stupid, these companies get into pissing matches with each other and their customers suffer from it.

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354080)

How can Apple cut you off, if they sync _your_ content back to all your devices!?

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (1)

Chitlenz (184283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354252)

I dunno bout you, but I have a record collection of about 5k vinyl records. If I wanted to synch that to an Ipad, I'd have to have ... a computer?

Seriously 64G, the most expensive one sold, just don't cut it, it's just not enough space.

That, and I have learned that when companies like this CAN change the rules at any time, they inevitably do... at will.

ALL my content is > TB on any given day. Now what?

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (3, Insightful)

ctid (449118) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354186)

Putting very mildly indeed, iTunes Match is an important announcement.

Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. (1)

tooyoung (853621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354242)

To me, The Cloud (TM) was the SAN 10 years ago (storage area network), and it changes absolutely NOTHING. Except maybe now apple can cut you off from your own computer whenever they feel like it.

The summary is very light on details, so I can understand you misinterpreting this. iCloud isn't the only place your data is stored, it is actually stored on the iPad, iPhone, iPod, and Mac. It is just that all files are seamlessly shared between your different devices. Buy a song on iTunes on your Mac, and it is automatically available from your iPad. Take a picture on your iPhone, and it is automatically in iPhoto on your Mac.

You are right to an extent - this is nothing new from a tech perspective. What is new though is how Apple is presenting this to the user. They don't tell the user "map this drive to this location...", it all just happens automatically. That is this trick of the iCloud - the user doesn't explicitly interact with iCloud. Rather, files are just always available. The user doesn't have to understand what the cloud is or how to access it. The cloud is the means, not the end.

Perhaps one of the biggest advances... (1, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354022)

Untethered idevices! Apple just opened themselves up to a whole new segment of the market...those people who don't have an iMac or Macbook. This means that anyone who can afford the lowest level idevice is able to get access to the whole ecosystem to handle all of their media, user created content, documents, ect.... The iCloud makes all of this possible. The data is persistent and secure forever, for all present and future devices. It only gets better from here on out; we are finally in the 21st century baby!

Data center hardware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354102)

http://photos.macrumorslive.com/p/2011-06-06/f1307387188.jpg Those look like HP servers.... does that mean they use Linux, or a custom version of OS X that allows non-apple hardware?

Xcode ... (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354128)

How about making it so I don't have re-download 3+GB every time a minor dot-release of Xcode is released?

Re:Xcode ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354256)

Delta updates are coming to many things in iOS 5 and Lion. So, future Xcode updates may be less painful.

Re:Xcode ... (4, Informative)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354278)

They did. Delta updates in App Store. All the devs in the room applauded, for precisely the reason you mentioned.

SteveJobs swan song! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354180)

iCloud announcement just decimated many a startup business plan, leveled the wireless playing field and in a fashion SteveJobs made famous disrupted entrenched industry players today with Apple's (AAPL) free-wireless iCloud OS feature for its products. Simply...they have obliterated the need for an Operating System, file system logic in order to use devices. Apple have entered the post-PC device independence era of hardware commoditization with device agnostic-ation surely to be the last nail in the coffin keeping mfgrs guessing how to remain alive.

Summary commentary (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36354198)

Lion is a good evolutionary upgrade and a no-brainer at $30. iOS 5 is playing catch-up to Android and still falling short. Apple proves its consistency in delivering mediocre online services.

Few surprises (3, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 3 years ago | (#36354248)

$30 for the OS is the same price as the current OS. The only difference is there is no family pack. This is because device on an Apple account is considered the same device for licensing purposes. If you have 10 macs on you account, then all 10 macs can get the Appstore Software. This is a really attractive feature of Apple software, and I am glad that all Appstore software is going to follow this model. One of my biggest issues with MS is having to buy MS WIndows at $200 a pop for every machine I own.

We also expected the over the network OS upgrades, something I think will really separate Mac Os and iOS hardware form the MS crowd. Lack of installation media is a concern for some, but I put all my OS on HD partitions and install from the harddisk anyway. Haven't install from a DVD in years. Haven't bought a application DVD in years.

The dig about it just working is really apropos. I tried to use Amazon music service thingy. Bought the music, put it on the web, could not download it to my computer afterwards. So I set up Amazon to download to my computer, thinking I would upload back to Amazon. Bought the lady gaga for $1, never got it to download properly, Amazon will not aswer my requests to download it again. I think this is called theft. Really wondering if I am going to do business with them when they won't give me my purchases.

One thing I am concerned about is the transition from Mobileme to iCloud. They are not making it cheaper, 5gb for $20 is not better than the current deal. They are just giving away inexpensive services for free, just like they did with itools. Most people are not going to upload that many pictures in 30 days, and well over a decade of mail is not taking more than a few gb of space.

The versioning on iOS is going be a huge thing, since the iOS 'filesystem' is not versionable with any current tools. OTOH, semms iworks is stil imcompatable between Mac OS and iOS so I would have liked to see some work done on that front.

Apple is competing hard against Google and RIM, which is good, but they seem to have lost their way on some of the applications. This happened in the late 80's when they were trying to cut prices to compete with the PC. The software was spun off the claris and a lot of good applications were lost.

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