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Could Apple Kill Off Mac OS X?

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the they-certainly-could dept.

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Barence writes "When Steve Jobs announced last night that he was 'going to demote the PC and the Mac to just be a device,' it was the clearest indication yet that Apple is phasing out Mac OS X, argues PC Pro's Barry Collins. 'Over the past couple of months, there have been continual rumours that Apple is testing the iPad's A5 processor in its MacBook range, suggesting Apple believes iOS could stretch further than smartphones and tablets,' Collins argues. Plus, Apple would take a 30% cut on all Mac software if it mandated downloads via the App Store only. 'The only part of Apple's portfolio where iOS doesn't make sense is in the high-end. Yet, Apple's already discontinued its Xserve range of servers and... it's almost exclusively fixated on the consumer market,' he argues."

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Let him demote the Mac (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363246)

Leave my fucking PC alone, thank you.

Re:Let him demote the Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363680)

Too late. Ha ha, loser.

...and develop iOS on their iPads? (5, Insightful)

nigel_atkinson (158842) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363250)

I can't see an iOS based IDE working.

Re:...and develop iOS on their iPads? (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363526)

Good point. On what platform are iOS applications going to be written? iOS is already very sandboxed.

Re:...and develop iOS on their iPads? (1)

mini me (132455) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363650)

Why not? Third party developers might have trouble writing an IDE that is distributable via the App Store, but Apple themselves are under no such restrictions. iOS is basically OS X at its core, so there is no underlying technical limitations preventing development on the iPad. The form factor my be less comfortable, but the bluetooth keyboard resolves most of the problem.

Re:...and develop iOS on their iPads? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363728)

How about compilation time? I'd be all about developing Android applications on my Xoom but compiling the Java/C/C++ source down to bytecode/machine code would be a bit onerous, I think.

Stupid! (2)

ActionDesignStudios (877390) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363260)

Personally, I think this would be a pretty stupid move for Apple. If something like this ever were to happen, count me out -- I would no longer buy any Apple laptops or desktops.

Re:Stupid! (4, Insightful)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363314)

You sure about that ? From what I've seen, most people who have an Apple Product will forever purchase OTHER Mac products. They will purchase EVERY thing that Mac puts out (How many different Mac Laptop/Desktop have you owned/do you own, how many different version of iPad or their MP3 Players ?)

Perhaps you're different, I don't know.

Re:Stupid! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363404)

"Mac" doesn't make anything. The company name is Apple.

"Hey everyone! I'm going to buy a Windows Xbox 360 and a Trinitron Playstation!"

Re:Stupid! (2)

mcvos (645701) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363530)

I've owned two iPods in the past (2nd and 5th gen), one iPhone (got stolen, replaced it with an Android phone), and at two companies I've had Macs. I loved the Macs, and for their time, the iPods were awesome music players (especially the first one!). The iPhone was pretty cool, but unnecessarily limited for a general purpose mobile computer.

I certainly do not buy everything Mac puts out. I prefer Android over iOS. Macs are still cool, but they'll suck as soon as Apple decides to neuter them.

Re:Stupid! (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363572)

There is some halo effect with Apple products as Mac sales have continuously risen. For the last quarter, Mac sales have shown growth while the PC showed decline; however, the fact you can still use a PC and their iOS devices means the migration isn't as certain as you would think.

Re:Stupid! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363360)

The direction Jobs seems to go, there will be no Apple laptops or desktops for you to buy. It will be all iPads and iPhones. And that is where I wish Apple good luck. I don't want to rely on limited devices.

Re:Stupid! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363440)

I don't own any modern Apple products, and it's pretty unlikely I'll be buying any in the future, but this really would be the smart move for Apple. I mean, the only real reason they still have desktops is because they always have, but it's not like that's what's making the business money. If you have two product lines, both requiring extensive R&D, and one of them makes you heaping endless piles of money while the other just kind of muddles along, it doesn't take a business genius to know what the smart move is.

Re:Stupid! (2)

mcvos (645701) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363364)

Restricting downloads to their app store would kill the Mac as a development platform, which is exactly the market where it's gotten pretty popular, since it moved to being a full-blown unix.

Re:Stupid! (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363510)

For many reasons, including the announcements and implications made yesterday at WWDC, it would appear that MacOS is safe, and the point is moot. I think it's speculative at best to consider the demise of iOS at this point; it's not like Microsoft killing off Windows, but it's close in some ways.

Re:Stupid! (4, Interesting)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363426)

It's just a dumb click-farming review specifically designed to generate controversy. Clearly if you wanted to phase something out, you would release a new version of it...

Re:Stupid! (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363638)

It's not even unique. Every time Apple releases ANYTHING, there's a spate of articles about OS X getting locked down, being replaced by iOS or disappearing entirely. Blah.

Re:Stupid! (4, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363494)

What if Apple gave you the following choice:
  • iOS laptop or tablet starting at $600
  • Mac OS X laptop or workstation starting at $3500

Would you shell out the $3500 to get Mac OS X? The way I see it, that is the choice you will have in the near future: iOS for a "consumer" level computer, and Mac OS X for high end "professional" level computers.

Re:Stupid! (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363754)

I think that's probably spot on.

Think about it. Users like you and I want, and will always want, a 'real computer' with a real OS and the ability to run any arbitrary code we damn well want on it. But thinking about what average users do with their computers, a full blown computer is a serious waste of money. They check email, check Facebook, watch a bit of YouTube and maybe listen to some MP3s. All of which can be done perfectly well on a cheaper iOS (or Android, for that matter) device - and with less stuff to 'go wrong' (badly configured software, viruses, dodgy device drivers etc.) Not to mention it consumes very little power, 'boots' instantly, and doesn't really need constant patching (although admittedly iOS/app updates are relatively frequent).

I can think of several people in my family (my parents and parents-in-law, and a few of my cousins too) that do nothing else with a computer than these things, ever. In fact I strongly recommended my mother just get an iPad recently instead of spending thousands upgrading to whatever random assemblage of lowest-bidder hardware Dell or HP is putting together these days.

Re:Stupid! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363760)

I could see it being a choice for a low end system. Throw a dual or quad socket (or perhaps on 1 die by the time it happens) A5 on a desktop and probably good enough for about 80% of people. A lot of apps at my work are big on RAM and network access but no where near saturating a core 2 for CPU use (typically 20% utilization over the 5 most busy minutes of the day). Even the people that really need the power often only need it for an hour or two a day. Imagine the power savings of a mobile processor in every computer in the typical office. Huge. iOS based desktops for simple workstations would be great too in that you'd get compatibility with your mobile devices pretty much for free. I could also see devices where the tablet is the computer. You simply dock it when you get to the office and than have wired network access, keyboard, big screen etc. Need to go to a meeting? Undock the bad boy and your "desktop" goes with you.

Re:Stupid! (3, Insightful)

Brannoncyll (894648) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363582)

I don't think they'll miss you. Lets face it, people like yourself who make informed decisions about such things are not a major component of Apple's consumer base!

at 30% say good buy to office and adobe software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363264)

at 30% say good buy to office and adobe software on the mac.

As well of alot of free mac software.

Re:at 30% say good buy to office and adobe softwar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363366)

My first thought was that this is all part of his rather unhealthy hatred toward Adobe. It is another way to attack them. Now I am beginning to wonder if he really just hates the idea that anybody would actually do anything that is intellectually active on his hardware. Getting rid of OSX is another strike for passivity!

A good buy? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363418)

At 30% why would office and Adobe software be a good buy? Extra cheap or something?

Re:A good buy? (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363614)

30% of the price of products would be shunted to Apple. This would trigger either a sufficient increase in the price of software to account for the Apple tax or the software no longer being available for that platform. Software would probably jump $50 for every $100 that it used to cost just for being on the iOS platform.

Re:A good buy? (1)

ThisIsNotMyHandel (1013943) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363684)

More than 50% of Adobe's revenue comes from the Macintosh platform. Pretty sure Apple could survive without Adobe but could Adobe survive without Apple?

Re:at 30% say good buy to office and adobe softwar (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363476)

> As well of alot of free mac software.

why would free mac software be driven away?

Re:at 30% say good buy to office and adobe softwar (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363608)

Because damnit man, 30% of nothing is a hell of a lot of something, and would bankrupt those poor developers.

After all, we all know there's no free programs on iOS.

I recommend a new face for the Borg... (2, Insightful)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363266)

Jobs comes across as the greediest villain (black turtleneck sans fluffy white cat) since the early days of Bill Gates...

Re:I recommend a new face for the Borg... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363388)

Jobs comes across as the greediest villain (black turtleneck sans fluffy white cat) since the early days of Bill Gates...

Oh my God! A six digit Slashdot user (456699) being "anti Mac"?!?

I know - I know, it's not as shocking as being "Pro-Microsoft" - but still.

Oy! I just wonder why Sociologists aren't all over this site!

Re:I recommend a new face for the Borg... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363488)

Whatever you think of his vision, I don't see this as being motivated by personal greed. He probably won't be around long enough to spend any of the money that would theoretically result.

Re:I recommend a new face for the Borg... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363574)

It's not about money, it's about his ego and his legacy. He has a giant ego, and he thinks his legacy will be as the person who brought America, or the world, into high technology. In that sense it's about greed, he sees himself as some sort of visionary/genius/hero out to save the world by apparently crapping on everyone's choices and forcing people to conform to his ideas about what computers should be.

Nonsense (4, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363278)

Apple is not going to kill of Mac OS X. I have said it before, and I'll say it again: Mac OS X's future is on high end workstations, targeting the professional and power user markets. Apple's consumer strategy will be centered on iOS.

...and this is why we RTFA (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363312)

Yes, TFA seems to say the same thing, except with a more negative attitude about Apple's interest in the high end workstation market.

Re:...and this is why we RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363356)

Somebody needs to write the iPad apps, and they're not exactly going to "pinch to malloc". This alone would keep Mac OS X alive.

Re:...and this is why we RTFA (1)

Jahava (946858) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363524)

Somebody needs to write the iPad apps, and they're not exactly going to "pinch to malloc". This alone would keep Mac OS X alive.

You're saying they'll maintain an entirely separate OS just for development? Seems a bit like overkill.

If only there were an already-maintained cheap (or free) OS that was capable of high-end development. It would be significantly easier to port Cocoa / XCode to Linux, use that as a development platform, and test against an emulator.

Re:Nonsense (1)

pixline (2028580) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363350)

Mac OS X's future is on high end workstations, targeting the professional and power user markets. Apple's consumer strategy will be centered on iOS.


Don't think they just spent countless man hours to develop a brand new Final Cut suite to throw away it all some weeks later. iOS for the win, but on *lower* devices, the most advanced Unix-based S.O. on *higher* devices. From a certain point of view *everything* is a device.

Re:Nonsense (4, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363432)

Then perhaps the only real Mac that remains available will be the one that starts at $2400.

Re:Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363496)

heh yea ok, whats their high end workstation again? a 3 year old gamer pc?

Re:Nonsense (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363502)

The Mac Pro line maybe, but something like IOS will be coming to the MacBook and iMac Lines.

Re:Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363538)

Mac OS X's future is on high end workstations, targeting the professional and power user markets

You do know they just pissed off FCP users by rewriting it (now based around iMovie) and making it appstore exclusive?

I don't have an Apple / iTunes account and never will. If OSX Lion is appstore only, the upgrade from snow leopard will be linux. We've seen this coming for years, the iPad was the moment Apple finally jumped the shark. Apple simply do not care.

Re:Nonsense (0)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363722)

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but everyone I know who's seen the new FCP absolutely loved it and couldn't wait to upgrade. I'm sure there are people who don't like it but that's not the reaction I've witnessed at all.

(cough)bullshit(cough) (5, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363280)

Or, should I say "linkbait" instead.

Re:(cough)bullshit(cough) (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363484)

I rarely actually click on the link in stories like this, the summary is sufficient (so it is really not very effective link bait in my case). Personally, I think there is something to this conjecture, although probably not to the level of an actual corporate strategy. I would think it would be more of a, "This looks like a successful direction to move over the next several years. Let's position the IOS portion of our business to do this, while continuing to maintain our current Macintosh strategy." I could easily see Apple setting up the IOS side up to replace OSX, while at the same time maintaining OSX and researching where to take it in the future. Then if the IOS division swallows the OSX market, great. But if it doesn't, or some new development takes the OSX division into new areas that IOS cannot follow, then continue with OSX (or its successor OS).

Re:(cough)bullshit(cough) (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363662)

Content has to be created to be consumed. While iOS devices can create sone content, they can't handle professional authoring without massive advances in hardware and UI.

Re:(cough)bullshit(cough) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363590)

Never click links that contains the word "blog" in the url, its bound to be useless speculation and personal ramblings.

Re:(cough)bullshit(cough) (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363656)

Linkbait clearly, but where do you think Jobs will take the iPad next? Don't think about it as a Mac, think about it as an iPad with an extensible/detachable keyboard. Suddenly you have something that does all the iPad does do, as well as being decent for typing up all sorts of basic email / im / documents / spreadsheets / presentations. It may not be a full laptop replacement, but it might be a *sufficient* laptop replacement that you keep using it instead of your real laptop. It doesn't have to win the whole market, just carve out a good nice for itself like the iPad did despite all the doom and gloom here.

The Kettle is BLACK?!?! (1)

turb (5673) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363326)

So we have a Windows columnist suggesting that Apple is going to kill off OSX?

Sure it could happen.

This is akin to Microsoft killing off Windows.

Sure it could happen.

Monkeys might flight out of my butt.

Re:The Kettle is BLACK?!?! (2)

mcvos (645701) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363420)

No, Microsoft killing Windows would be like Apple killing the iPhone. Apple killing the Mac is more like Microsoft killing Windows Mobile.

They're already phasing it out (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363336)

Have you seen the list of features in Lion? Half of them are basically turning Mac OS X into iOS Lite.

For example: Full screen apps. Like iOS, you can still run multiple apps - but you can only see one of them at a time.

For example: the Launchpad. This is literally the iOS Home screen.

For example: touch gestures. Safari is being redesigned to look and act like Mobile Safari. The scrollbar is gone, replaced with the little gray thing Mobile Safari does. The zoom in/zoom out feature is reworked to zoom the entire page like Mobile Safari does.

They're already positioning their App Store as the only official way to get software for Mac OS X.

It's no longer a question of "can they" it's a question of "when will they."

Re:They're already phasing it out (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363612)

Just because they're adding new iOS-like features doesn't mean they're removing things that were previously working.

Let's take the scrollbar example. When was the last time that you actually used the scrollbar to scroll a web page? We've had a scrollwheel on the mouse for almost a decade now. Laptops have trackpads. Who still uses the scrollbar to scroll? It's been relegated to a visual indicator which takes room for no reason. The iOS approach is the right one. When you scroll, the scrollbar appears and shows you the same information as before: it shows you where you are in the page (the position of the scrollbar) and the relative size of the content currently on your screen (the size of the scrollbar).

Until proof to the contrary, they're positioning their App Store as the easiest and safest way to get software for Mac OS X, not the only way. Seeing how much spyware and viruses is in Windows software, I can't blame them.

Re:They're already phasing it out (1)

curunir (98273) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363646)

You're reaching the wrong conclusions from the data you've presented. Apple has publicly stated that they're trying to take the best from iOS and add it to OS X. The key word there is 'add'. It's entirely reasonable to say that, since you've got 2 OSs, you can take knowledge gleaned from one of them and apply it to improving the other.

When you may start to have a point is when Apple starts removing things from OS X to make it more like iOS. They haven't done this, nor have they shown any indication that they will. Lion still allows you to install apps the traditional way, the App Store is just an additional vector for software installation. Lion still allows all the flexibility of a Unix computer. Nothing has changed in that regard, they've just poached what they see as the best features from iOS.

Just because they're adding things that make OS X more like iOS doesn't mean they're making it like iOS in every way. There's no evidence, as of yet, to support that conclusion. The only conclusion I can see from the Lion presentation is that I'd bet dollars to donuts that the post-Lion Mac computers will all have touchscreens. I expect the September refreshes of the MBPs to support all of the gestures detailed yesterday on both the trackpads and the touchscreen.

Nope. (1, Insightful)

psergiu (67614) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363338)

The Apple cannot do this - they have too much to lose. All the "creatives" who use macs are their greatest evangelists and if Apple takes their "toys" away, they will turn to foes. There won't be a single Apple device appearing casually in movies & TV shows as the angry Final Cut editors will airbrush them out.

Re:Nope. (3, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363406)

On the other hand, Apple could only market Mac OS X to professional users, on their high end workstations. Consumers will get iOS everything -- iOS tablets, iOS PDAs, iOS laptops, maybe even some sort of iOS desktop (with a completely different form factor than current desktops?), and they will be cut out of the development process; only professionals with high end workstations will be able to write software for iOS.

Re:Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363518)

Maybe it's a good way to get out of the computer business and open up third party machines. If they don't care about this market, just sell the OS at a slightly elevated price than they already do.

Re:Nope. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363534)

I've been predicting this [slashdot.org] for some time. The days when you can just install anything on an Apple computer are numbered. Pretty soon, all software will have to go through the App Store on a Mac just like they already do on an iPhone/iPad. The writing on the wall was pretty obvious back when they first announced the App Store was coming to Mac. Rigth now it's just an option, but soon it will be mandatory.

Re:Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363570)

There won't be a single Apple device appearing casually in movies & TV

so long as apple keeps paying for these product placement ads im sure they will still "casually" show up

Predictions of Bill Gates in 1995 (4, Insightful)

Radi-0-head (261712) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363352)

In Bill Gates' book from 1995, "The Road Ahead", he discusses how computing switched from "mainframe"-type applications where the bulk of the storage and processing was done by a centralized system, and how that was falling out of favor for a more distributed desktop PC environment. He further predicted this model would eventually revert back to the "mainframe" (now known as "cloud").

Steve Jobs must have read this book.

Re:Predictions of Bill Gates in 1995 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363716)

Except the part where he barely mentioned the internet. The mainframe is not the cloud.

Re:Predictions of Bill Gates in 1995 (1)

microbee (682094) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363736)

Now only if what the prophet did had actually agreed with what he said..

The DoJ might object to that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363354)

Locking down a device is one thing, but locking out all other software on what is still a personal computer would provoke rumours of monopoly, I rectum.

Re:The DoJ might object to that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363478)

The DoJ might object to it if Apple had total domination of the PC market. Which they, since you apparently missed that day of Remedial Reality class, don't.

Re:The DoJ might object to that... (1)

joeytmann (664434) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363742)

But they do have a dominance in the mobile device market. I bet the DoJ is keeping a close eye on Apples behavior.

Keep laughing (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363358)

Every time these "Future of the Mac" I predict that there will come a time when EVERYTHING from Apple will be just as locked down as the iPhone/iPad, and every time I get laughed at for saying it. Yet with every announcement, Apple moves closer and closer to phasing out their last open platform.

thin reasoning (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363372)

I think this conclusion is a bit hard to reach. the comment about "demoting" the mac is no indication whatsoever about the future of OSX. the comment was made entirely in the context of cloud computing and where the "truth" is stored. not saying that apple won't perhaps phase out OSX, just that this keynote was no evidence of it.

I personally don't think they will remove it. I can see them bringing the two OS's closer together in look and feel, but I think they will remain distinct for sometime to come at least.

Almost there with their keyboards (2)

Fastball (91927) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363380)

I figured this might be coming. Between Windows 8 trying to become a cell phone UI and Apple's brilliant idea to place an eject key on its keyboards instead of a forward delete key, it won't be long before a PC is completely gimped and useless to anyone that produces anything. Apple hit it big with its touch screen UI. So big that they're going to impale themselves on it.

hey slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363386)

hey slashdot, give me my 5 minutes back!

Professional users wouldn't be happy (2)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363402)

The usual place I see Macs is when I head down to the graphics studio or Marketing departments at work- those guys use Macs as their all-purpose computers to make use of their (I'm told) top-quality or industry standard graphics and media editing software.

I can't really imagine those guys (or our procurement) switching to a form factor other than big-screen desktop machine or high-end laptop. That means the only way Mac could be "phased out" for them would be if iOS could work as a drop-in replacement, with no loss of features or software suite. Seeing as iOS is just Mac optimised for a different form factor and with a different software suite, I'm not sure I can really see the point in doing that. It would be an awful lot of leg-work just to end up where they already are.

Apple could and would... (1)

Cronock (1709244) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363410)

... But I would bet that every bit of market reashearch they've done on it says it's a hands-down bad idea. If it will be somebody's primary computer, it needs to be more flexible than iOS. I could see it competing with chomebooks, though.

Troll (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363416)

Simple logic: Lots of people would stop buying Macs if Apple killed MacOS X. Nobody would suddenly start buying Macs if Apple killed MacOS X. Some people would stop buying Macs if they thought that Apple would eventually kill MacOS X. For these three reasons, it is totally unreasonable to believe that MacOS X is going. Because this believe is totally unreasonable, the only people making that claim are either total idiots, or they are trolls. Or both.

(Those idiots who think Apple only cares about iPhones and iPads should realise that Apple is the worlds most profitable PC maker, making more profits from building desktop computers and laptops than anyone else, including HP, Dell, Acer, Toshiba and so on)

Re:Troll (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363710)

So what if people stop buying Macs?

That's the real problem here. Apple lost the desktop wars a long LONG time ago. Jobs might be willing to concede that completely and try to displace Windows desktops with some form of their more successful platform rather than trying to fight a losing pointless battle with MacOS.

The mundane desktop MacOS user probably won't even be bothered with the whole MacOS -> PhoneOS thing.

H*ll, your average fanboy will probably declare that such a shift is actually a good thing and defend it with vigor.

Where would all the content come from? (5, Insightful)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363422)

Apple just recently announced Final Cut Pro X, they've revamped XCode, and they're heavy into LLVM and clang. Doesn't seem like they're ditching the Mac any time soon. An iPad with iMovie is fine, just like Garageband is fine (and a lot of fun to use!), but for my next $100 million dollar blockbuster, I'm going to want more robust tools.
All the content consumed on an iphone, ipad,etc., has got to originate from somewhere, and I think apple would be happy to have both ends of the spectrum: the content producers and the content consumers.

So, there is no indication? (5, Insightful)

TheCycoONE (913189) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363424)

"When Steve Jobs announced last night that he was 'going to demote the PC and the Mac to just be a device,' it was the clearest indication yet that Apple is phasing out Mac OS X, argues PC Pro's Barry Collins

In context, this was while hyping a cloud computing solution that at the moment is a little more than shared storage. To me this isn't a very clear indication of anything except increased interoperability with a cloud service, possibly for automatic synchronization of settings and access to the same documents and media. I'll take that to mean that there is no clear indication yet that Apple is phasing out Mac OS X.

Where's the DOJ (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363434)

Plus, Apple would take a 30% cut on all Mac software if it mandated downloads via the App Store only.

How would that not be any more egregious then what MS was convicted for.

Re:Where's the DOJ (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363566)

How is it not for the iPhone and iPad, and not just software now, but subscriptions as well?

Re:Where's the DOJ (4, Informative)

Raffaello (230287) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363658)

You need to read up on the legal definition of a monopoly. What MS was dinged for was using its monopoly in OS and Office software to drive out competition in the web browser software market. Apple doesn't have a monopoly in mobile OS software (iOS is actually losing ground to android); Apple doesn't have a monopoly in desktop/laptop OS software (Windows still accounts for 90+%); Apple doesn't have a monopoly in anything (no, "monopoly in software that runs on macs" is not a legal monopoly, otherwise every single company would have a "monopoly" in some arbitrarily defined, meaningless, sliver "market").

A monopoly is the market power to price your offerings without regard to the price of competitors offerings. Apple doesn't have one, so they can't be accused of leveraging a monopoly they don't have.

bullshit (5, Insightful)

andsens (1658865) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363438)

This is total linkbait. Just like the one from pcworld asking whether OS X Lion could be Apples Vista. This article has no research behind it whatsoever, I do not understand how this trash can get on slashdot, it annoys me. A single quote: "iOS is mainstream: Mac OS X isn’t and likely never will be." Based on what research?!?! Just yesterday at the keynote, they announced that the OS X platform has risen to new heights and the PC market has shrunk. Android is gaining on the smartphone market. Why the hell would they bet everything on one horse if they have two that perform perfectly well?!

To us it seems stupid... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363442)

But if you really think about it, it's not a terrible idea. It doesn't work for the /. but for the typical user, it makes sense. For most, a computer is a consumption device. Make a decent word processor that works for it, and some cheap-ass photo resizing software, and the average user wouldn't miss out an a thing, and they'd love it. With the App store being an integrated part of it (I imagine they will make it impossible or highly difficult to install outside software), and Steve-o and the gang now control the approval and distribution of virtually all Mac software and take a 30% cut of everything. From a business standpoint, it won't hurt their desktop sales one bit (probly give them a bump), it'll lower OS dev costs, and it will give them a huge revenue stream coming through the App store. I have no doubt they'll maintain some sort of "Pro" version for the tech savvy crowd, but it'll be second seat to the "iOS" version. My $.02

Premature paranoia (5, Interesting)

curunir (98273) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363448)

Of course they're not going to kill it off. The only people suggesting as much are paranoid Apple haters. If nothing else, Apple will need OS X to enable developers to build applications for iOS devices.

I knew as soon as I heard Steve Jobs say those words about demoting the PC that they would be taken entirely wrongly by some people. But all that he meant is that they're extracting a feature (the storage hub and interconnect of all iDevices) from the PC and moving it to iCloud. He only meant that iCloud sees the PC as "just another device" that isn't given special treatment above and beyond what iOS devices are given. But even then he went on to contradict that statement by revealing the particulars of the implementation. iOS devices will not store all information (songs, photos, etc) that OS X computers will.

In shortthere's nothing to see herejust a misinterpreted phrase from a 2-hour presentation that mistakenly confirms the paranoid beliefs of people who want to see Apple in a negative light. There's no logical reason to believe what the story claims. Apple knows that it needs OS X to maintain its developer community. They know that without the developer community, people would abandon iOS. So until developers can do everything they need to do to create apps for iOS on iOS itself, OS X isn't going away.

White iCloud - Toilet Paper for Computer Screens. (1)

magusxxx (751600) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363450)

What I believe Jobs meant was that he wanted to demystify the idea of having a home computer. It should be thought of as a simple staple of the household much like a radio, television, or microwave oven. And be as easy to use. Then again, how much were microwaves when they first came out and how long before they became as popular as televisions?

Bullshit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363472)

Apple have now fallen so far up their own ass under Steve Jobs the only way they're going to get out of the hole they're digging is for Jobs to die or Apple get rejected by the market. Whatever magic Jobs had has been crushed under the weight of his own too narrow focus and insecurities like Gordon Brown. iCloud is the new phoney election.

Apple are just too expensive, elitist, and closed off. They're riding the iTunes cash cow like Labour did with the financial services sector but that's a bubble waiting to burst. If Apple don't rediscover their own roots (and I think it's almost certainly too late now) then Apple will have just become another corporate peddling cans of baked beans and handed the industry to Microsoft. Again.

It's unbelievable that someone as clever as Jobs could make a dummy like Ballmer look smart but that's what he's doing right now. Jobs is now so out of original ideas and lost touch that everything from now on is just an ego saving exercise. Maybe he's spent too long in the boardroom or living a life of aesthetic luxury but Jobs doesn't connect with the regular guy. He doesn't represent aspiration anymore and has just become a tease. A what might have been.

App Store for OS X reads installed software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363492)

Opening the app store on my hackintosh it displays info about what I already have installed, even though all software was downloaded else ware. It would not surprise me if they leveraged this info to project additional profits when selling directly through the app store.

Peer means equality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363552)

Apple has also said repeatedly that the same UI for touch does not work for desktops.

Demotion to a peer means OS X is EQUAL TO iOS, not deprecated.

paranoid nonsense (2)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363596)

What a piece of nonsense.

OS X is the backend of the entire Apple world. While you could theoretically run things like iTunes on an iOS device as an app, where do you think all those apps come from? Hint: They don't grow on trees.

There is no 30% cut if people don't have development machines. And that means Xcode, and engines and frameworks. And that means a general-purpose OS. Namely, OS X.

Really, how dumb do you have to be to think that a car company is going to sell its future models without engines just because they focus on the design of the body and the exquisite interior?

Naming silliness... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363616)

Remember that when the original iPhone came out, Jobs told us it would run OS X. It *does* run many of the same components. What is the actual difference? Mostly cosmetics, which it looks like Lion is taking care of now.

Basically: they are already the same product, just with different names.

Killing Xserve indicates nothing (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363630)

I don't know whether OS X will live forever, but I'm sure that the end of Xserve isn't a sign of it going away. I know a lot of Mac people, but I've heard very few of them admit to having an Xserve, and none of those people were glad that they had it. It seemed very much a solution looking for a problem and no one actually wanted one. Basically, if you were big enough to actually need one, you were big enough to order a Dell or HP and install Linux or Windows yourself to get the same features.

Again, I have no idea what the future holds for OS X (but I can't imagine The Steve cutting off the oxygen to the high end). Regardless, pruning unsuccessful and unwanted products from their lineup is no indication that Apple is trying to get rid of their popular ones.

Makes sense to have one API (1)

bkmoore (1910118) | more than 2 years ago | (#36363702)

At some level what Apple is doing does make a lot of sense. Does it really make sense to have two different APIs, one for mobile devices and one for traditional computers? At least for the general consumer apps, it probably doesn't make much sense in maintaining two separate Mail apps, Photo apps, etc. For the average non-technical user, having a consistent UI is probably a good thing. I haven't seen any indication that Apple is going to discontinue Mac OS, or lock it down to prevent users from installing their own software. A lot of the article is pure speculation and fear mongering.

RIP Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363704)

so does this mean Apple will die along with Steve Jobs ? who wants an OS that restricts you to do your biddings ?
R.I.P. Apple

It was always meant to be a fullfledged OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36363726)

I think they are devolving into two markets, consumer and pro. I think the Mac Books and iMacs may be destined to run a form of pumped up iOS but it'll never work for the workstations. They are grabbing more and more of the office and pro market which Microsoft always dominated so I can't see them abandoning the markets just as they are achieving their goals. The Pro market doesn't change as fast as the consumer market, I still miss XP and even have fond Win 2000 memories. The pro market mostly needs upgrades under the hood not more bells and whistles. I can see Lion being a final version of the pro software with yearly updates. That would free them to make all the consumer level hardware to adopt more iOS features. Too much of that will cost them the pro and office market. Lion looks like it's keeping a balance. Actually the final product may be more of a melding than a take over. Microsoft seems to have drunk the KoolAide with Windows 8 and appears ready to abandon desktops before they even prove there's a market in desktops with an iOS interface. Lion looks less oppressive. You've got to remember Microsoft and Apple have two different philosophies when it comes to OSs. Microsoft is very in your face with the OS and they are far more concerned with you using their OS than using software with their OS. Apple as always approached it from the angle keeping the OS in the background freeing you to use your applications. Lion appears to be intended to help you organize your icons and get you into your application quickly. Win 8 seems to want you to spend your day browsing photos and the web through it's own applications. I'm sure that Windows devotees will claim the opposite is true but I'm a heretic personally and have no preferences. 90% of all computers I've owned have been PCs with a couple of Amigas and Linux systems mixes in there but with a growing number of Macs. I've had enough trouble with Vista and Windows 7 to focus more on the Macs. I can't abandon Windows due to half the software I use being Windows only. I'm writing this on a Mac running Windows 7 but with graphics software Windows isn't a 100% stable on Mac hardware so I'll always have a mix it's just likely to be 3/4 mac and the rest PCs with maybe a Linux machine in the mix. Use what works folks. Don't be afraid of the changes in Mac I'd be more concerned with what's happening with Windows 8. It feels like some one tried to build an Enigma machine off a photograph of the outside of the box. They really need to ignore what Mac is doing and come up with something that works rather than feeling like Mac's table scraps. I always said that Vista felt like they picked out everything that sucked about OSX and turned it into an OS. With Win 8 they seem to be trying to become an outright iOS clone. Something even Mac isn't doing. Here's one for the future, if they do turn the consumer computers into giant iPads will they abandon the "cat names" and switch to something like bird names to signify a transition to a new OS?

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