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Research Suggests Tobacco Companies Add Weight Loss Drugs

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the but-they-seemed-so-honest dept.

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smitty777 writes "According to an article from the European Journal of Public Health, the tobacco companies have been implicated in adding a number of drugs to tobacco products (PDF) to enhance their weight-reducing properties. Discovery News explains the neurological process for appetite suppression, which involves activating pro-opiomelanocortin cells in the hypothalamus."

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Take up smoking today! (3, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406180)

Not only is it cool and fun, it will turn your fat ass into a prom queen!

Re:Take up smoking today! (2)

sunfly (1248694) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406444)

You joke, but hope also realize this is why so many girls smoke?

Re:Take up smoking today! (3, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406856)

Perhaps, but when I walk past the smoke corral at work, there are only two kinds of smokers. There are the ones who clearly have not been missing any meals, and the ones who are rail-thin but also look like 50 year old baseball gloves.

I don't think either idea appeals to prospective prom queens...

Re:Take up smoking today! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406982)

So eating well is the key to good skin when you smoke?

Re:Take up smoking today! (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406688)

Flavor Country High School

Attention Rob Malda!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406208)

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Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (5, Insightful)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406256)

Who cares what tobacco companies do?

And no, I don't mean "who cares" as in I'm some cruel bastard who could care less what tobacco companies are doing to hook their users even more to their product. I mean who out there really cares what tobacco companies do anymore? Care to tell me exactly what anyone has done to step in and stop them from doing ANYTHING with their product?

Radioactive pesticides. Hundreds of chemicals that are far from "natural". Big Tobacco has become untouchable. Doesn't matter how many evil things they do to their product, so what's the point in publicizing it until someone out there actually starts giving a shit and does something about it. Unfortunately, those who SHOULD give a shit are far too busy getting paid off by tobacco lobbyists and raking in tax dollars. They look past the fact that other than a military grade weapons manufacturer, no other corporation on the planet is legally allowed to kill thousands of people every day by doing nothing more than using their product as intended.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406302)

Unfortunately, those who SHOULD give a shit are far too busy slowly killing themselves with addictive carcinogenic substances.

FTFY.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406314)

Ah, sorry, I misread, and I completely agree with your post. There's more than one group that should care about this, and politicians are definitely one of them.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406842)

Don't get high and mighty. The walls around you are exuding the same carcinogens. The tasty grill marks on your food? Those same carginogens. Your car? your comute home puts my pack a day habit to shame. Your drinking water? Bottled or tap it doesn't matter. Your underarm deoderant. Your toothpaste. The brown food coloring in your food and drinks, and don't worry its considered organic so you can't avoid it. Right now as you read this a ray of UV light has worked its way past our ailing protective atmosphere and entering you skin. Will it be "The" ray to damage a skin cell and seed melenoma? It just might.

If you live in the modern world you too are slowly killing yourself. You are just oblivious to that fact. Your damaged DNA and shredded cells are no better off than a smoker's. At least I know what I am getting in to. Do you?

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407146)

your pack a day habit will always be MUCH worse then any of the things you listed. FOR YOU. hey, my mother said it true; you can't die with dignity if you can't breathe!

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

Plebis (125823) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406874)

You know who else is slowly killing themselves with carcinogenic substances? Everyone. Including you. It's kind of a side effect of being alive.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406310)

Car makers? Coal power plants? Gun manufacturers?

Re:Who cares (3, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406374)

It's also who cares in that they aren't making exciting news anymore. It's really "They're evil, oh well. Oh look! Someone downloaded a copy of the Beatles! Arrest him!!"

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (4, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406596)

What do you suggest?

Perhaps a little background is in order. I am a Mormon. For religious reasons, my family has been telling their children (and anyone else that would listen) not to use tobacco since the mid 1800s. I personally served as a missionary in Chile where a fair portion of my time was spent trying to help people quit smoking. Sometimes I was successful, sometimes not. Apparently giving up smoking is very difficult. I never met a smoker that didn't want to quit, and yet few people actually are successful.

That's the problem. Smokers know that smoking is killing them, but they are addicted. We already have huge taxes on cigarettes. We control their sale to minors, and we control how they can be advertised. Heck, we even run advertisements extolling the many problems caused by smoking, and we force smokers to go to special designated areas to smoke. At this point about the only thing that we could do that we haven't tried is to make tobacco illegal. To be honest, I would not be surprised if that actually *increased* tobacco use. Marijuana manages to be quite popular while still being illegal.

Unfortunately, some people are just stupid. They don't see the harm in trying tobacco until it is too late and they are addicted. It is easy (and comfortable) to blame the politicians, but for the most part politicians have gone out of their way to cast a stigma on tobacco use. It is even easier to blame the tobacco industry, and just about anyone would be forced to admit that those guys are slimy. However, tobacco has a long history of use in the U.S. and I think that it would be counterproductive to try and curtail the rights of individuals in this regard. Our society has done everything it can to curtail the use of tobacco short of throwing people in prison for growing it or using it.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406666)

Yet, the government still pays out huge amounts of tax money as tobacco subsidy to grow the stuff every year, then heavily taxes the users. The government gets much more in taxes on each cigarette sold than the tobacco company gets as earnings. They really don't want to end smoking, and lose this huge revenue stream.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (3, Informative)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406932)

My family got paid a huge amount (by the government) to sell the rights to our tobacco base. Since it's sold, no one else can lease or use the base. In case anyone isn't aware of what tobacco base is, you can only grow tobacco on a small percentage of your farmable land. If you don't wish to grow any, you can lease your base to another farmer. They grow it on their own land but pay you a percentage for allowing them the use of your base. They lease a lot of base so they can have a sizable crop.

Even we we did grow tobacco, we never got any subsidies, at least directly. It was damn profitable on its own.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406728)

Thank you, Jason. You come across with a mild sense of self rightousness, and you sound a little bit of a prick - but you're honest, and you're right. So, you're tolerable, and your opinion is appreciated.

I hate the ultra self-rightous pricks who feel it is their mission in life to save me, and other smokers, from our own stupidity. If the rest of the anti-smokers had your sense of proportion, they'd be a lot easier to live with!

Enough taxes, enough penalties, enough stigmatism attached to smoking. More than enough, already. As you point out, prohibition is the next step - and prohibition failed in the 1920's, and it has failed since the 1940's as well. A new prohibition will do no good for this country at all.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406776)

what would be needed is to require health insurance to cover inpatient addiction treatment like we do with other drug treatment.

the harm is clear and the tobacco companies do everything they can to make it harder to quit.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406840)

Our society has done everything it can to curtail the use of tobacco short of throwing people in prison for growing it or using it.

You say "throwing people in prison for growing or using it" like it's unthinkable.

There are a lot of people sitting in prison right now "for growing or using" another leafy plant.

How different one plant is treated just because a certain group of wealthy white men got here centuries ago and made a bundle selling it.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

drgould (24404) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406870)

At this point about the only thing that we could do that we haven't tried is to make tobacco illegal.

Take this as anecdotal, but quite a while ago here in Massachusetts they set a aside a portion of the state cigarette tax to fund a series of anti-smoking PSAs.

If I recall, some were pretty graphic; i.e., pictures of smoke damaged lungs. Some were interviews with survivors of lung cancer and various cigarette related disorders. All were uniformly depressing.

I heard they had a significant negative impact on cigarette sales. That's only hearsay, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Then they stopped.

The nicest explanation I can think of is that enough people complained about being bombarded by a series of really depressing PSAs.

My cynical half suspects they stopped showing them because they negatively affected the state cigarette tax collection.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

Atryn (528846) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407050)

Then they stopped.

It was my understanding that those PSA's (which were in many states) were funded out of the original big tobacco lawsuit settlement the states reached with the companies a decade or so ago. Eventually the settlement money ran out. I'm not sure that in most states the PSA's were ever funded with the taxes (though yours might have been)...

More info on it Here [wikipedia.org] ... Check out the Public Education Fund which apparently only lasted 3 years (2000-2003).

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

pclminion (145572) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406892)

Unfortunately, some people are just stupid. They don't see the harm in trying tobacco until it is too late and they are addicted.

Get real. Everyone I know who smokes (including me) started when they were 14, 15, or 16 years old. At that age it's not about being stupid, it's about doing what your friends are doing because you don't want to look like a pussy or a killjoy or a doofus. Damn you, the first time I took a drag off a cigarette I knew it was stupid and I didn't want to be doing it at all, but the fear of being laughed at or pushed around outweighed the logic. I was not stupid, and I did know about the dangers -- the education system actually succeeds quite well in communicating those. What the education system utterly fails at is giving kids the skills and techniques they need to resist peer pressure. The advice seems to be "Don't hang out with those people." Okay... I won't hang out with... all my friends. Okay, yeah. I'll be sure to do that next time around.

Saying I'm just stupid just means you don't remember what childhood is like. I can't think of a single person who smokes who started when they turned legal age to do so. By that time you've pretty much got enough maturity to resist the people trying to push you into it. You think there are people out there who don't understand that the shit is deadly? Seriously?

Finally, about 15 years later I'm finally having some success quitting by using electronic cigarettes -- still getting the nicotine, which isn't exactly like drinking the elixir of life, but I'm not inhaling tar, radioactive particles, ammonia, carbon monoxide and a bunch of other shit. I tried patches and gum before, it never worked because it didn't provide the rest of the "smoking experience," which includes the motion of hand to mouth, the puffing, the exhaling and watching the smoke. I tried the e-cig and bam, immediately stopped the tobacco cigarettes and haven't been tempted to go back. All that's left now is to dial down the nicotine dose, then I can start to deal with the psychological part of it. And if I slip up there, I'll just end up on the e-cig again. Never again will I go back to tobacco cigarettes.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406984)

That excuse doesn't make you any less stupid. Makes you seem like more of a little bitch, though.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (0)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407184)

NOTE; chantix was a damned miracle and 99% of the haters are lobbyist shills. Try it out, do EXACTLY what the instructions say, and get off it as *soon* as possible (not 12 weeks, but only 4 if you can). It positively worked in my case not just to make me quit, but to change the fact I ever wanted one.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (0)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407318)

Damn you, the first time I took a drag off a cigarette I knew it was stupid and I didn't want to be doing it at all, but the fear of being laughed at or pushed around outweighed the logic. I was not stupid, and I did know about the dangers -- the education system actually succeeds quite well in communicating those.

Hint: if you knew it was stupid and did it anyway, then YES, YOU ARE STUPID!.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406912)

As a mormon. You are far from the best spokesperson on what's 'stupid'.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (2)

Plebis (125823) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406942)

You may have never met a smoker that didn't want to quit, but believe me when I say we are out there. I won't lie, there are days when I think 'hey, I could be doing better things with the money I spend on cigarettes.' Then I light up a cool, refreshing American Spirit Full Flavor Cigarette and I remember: Smoking is a lot of fun. It's just an enjoyable activity. You don't have to do it, and you should really try being less self righteous toward the people that do.

You're not smarter than me because you don't smoke, you're just a religious fundamentalist whose parents forbid it. So, congratulations on believing everything every authority figure you've ever been exposed to told you.

Yes, there are health risks, and it's my right to decide if I chose to accept those risks or not, not yours.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406672)

"Care to tell me exactly what anyone has done to step in and stop them from doing ANYTHING with their product?"

Really? Would you like to step back from the hysterics or are you planning on going full retard?

Don't get the impression that I care, I just need to know whether I should go get some popcorn or not.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406968)

Who cares? Everybody who smokes knows it's a mistake, and self-destructive. They've known that for decades. Nobody under the age of fifty became a smoker innocently, without knowing it was a bad decision. Sure, the cigarette manufactures are sleazy. Everybody knows that. If you go and get hooked on their product, you deserve the bulk of the blame.

Re:Implicated? Yeah, and then what. (1)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407060)

I agree, and personally I don't care what the tobacco companies do. If you think cigarettes are bad, don't smoke. If your worried about second hand smoke, stay away from smokers. If you are righteous you can even go tell people not to smoke, its a free country after all. Just don't be surprised if you get some puffs blown in your face.

Anyone can quit smoking cigarettes. Blaming a company or industry for making an addictive product is a cop out. Being unhealthy isn't enough reason to outlaw it (that goes for our other stupid drug laws btw).

I think getting upset about what the tobacco companies do to cigarettes/tobacco is a waste of energy. To your point, it achieves nothing because they are far more powerful than any individual, and as a corollary it has no impact on your non-smoking life. If you are a smoker and you're upset, just quit smoking. Or buy tobacco from a smaller grower. They are out there.

Mmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406258)

At least they're helping to offset those delicious doner kebabs after a late night. :-)

Hmmm (0)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406262)

Not only do I get to lose that extra weight I gained, but, as an added bonus .... lung cancer! Gee, where do I sign up!

Re:Hmmm (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406288)

At your nearest convenience store.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406290)

But with the added weight of the tumors, do you actually get a net loss of weight?

Re:Hmmm (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406386)

I know you're just joking, but here's a reply. On the short term, cancer adds to your body weight. But if you survive long enough, you'll lose weight. The reason is that cancer tends to soak up all the body's resources, starving your muscles and internal organs, causing the whole machine to work less efficiently.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406732)

Not until they remove one side of lung.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406972)

Cancer is a great appetite suppressant.
Full disclosure: Ex-smoker, two years this month.

Re:Hmmm (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406378)

Not only do I get to lose that extra weight I gained, but, as an added bonus .... lung cancer!

Actually since it takes a few decades to improve your cancer odds you can at least be safely thin in old age. Just wait you're 70 or so to start smoking. I guess the trick is to make your heart last til then if you're already significantly overweight.

Re:Hmmm (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406530)

I suspect that if you really want to eat your cake and shed it as well, your best bet might be looking into the 'smoking cessation' market. Regular breathing of the products of incomplete combustion of organic materials is just a bad idea(even in non tobacco cases: 3rd world indoor wood/charcoal cooking causes a fuckload of pulmonary morbidity and mortality every year, for instance); but nicotine is available in all kinds of convenient delivery packages, and (while highly addictive) seems not to be particularly unhealthy by itself...

Re:Hmmm (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406766)

Ehhhh - smoke or not, someday, your kinfolk will walk into your home, and start divvying up your possessions. Sometime within ten days of your burial, before or after, it hardly matters. Eat, drink, smoke and be merry, for tomorrow you die. No point in worrying about those carcinogens.

Re:Hmmm (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406670)

I believe cancer treatments also help with weight loss. Win win.

Scary. That could... (5, Funny)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406270)

Scary. That could make cigarettes unsafe!

Re:Scary. That could... (1)

TheyTookOurJobs (1930780) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406528)

9 out of ten doctors choose pall mall for their smooth flavor across your T zone. Or some other old timey cigarette ad.

Better summary (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406292)

More accurately, research finds that Nicotine is an appetite suppressant. And that tobacco companies have looked at adding other appetite suppressors in the past.

Simpler explanation (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406298)

As someone who has needed to shed a few kilos every now and then I know that if I am busy I tend not to snack. In fact sometimes if I am really engrossed in something midnight and bed time rolls around and I haven't eaten any dinner. I also know what when I feel crappy it is easy to comfort eat.

Cigarettes help with both these things. Instead of eating you smoke, so they do encourage weight loss for some people. Personally I have never smoked and try to substitute liquid and high-protean cereals (protean makes you feel full) for snacks and find things to occupy myself with.

Re:Simpler explanation (2)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406490)

protean makes you feel full

So what great variety of things makes you feel full? <grin>

Re:Simpler explanation (3, Funny)

macraig (621737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406940)

high-protean cereals

Holy crap, cereal full of shape-shifters? Kellogg's doesn't make that, do they? And you EAT that?

I don't understand why tobacco companies... (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406324)

don't just cut to the chase and dope their deathsticks with methamphetamine and cocaine. It's hard to beat the brand loyalty engendered by those fabulous and time-tested products. Not even Apple electronic products can directly induce physiological withdrawal symptoms like that!

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (4, Insightful)

onkelonkel (560274) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406372)

Because nicotine is cheaper by far and also more addictive.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406502)

Well, it's cheaper anyways...

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406534)

Yeah no kidding. Spoken like someone who isnt addicted to those things. Or known someone who is.

People are shocked cig companies add things? Fuck me, they have been doing this for years. It is why one cig tastes different than another. Whats next pepsi adds different things than coke and we should act all shocked?

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406572)

Believe it or not, I was a chain smoker from the age of 16 until I was 28. At one point I was smoking about 2 to 2.5 packs a day (no joke). I was always prone to bronchitis and asthma and after a really bad bout of bronchial infection I finally figured "I'll bounce back from this one, but in twenty or thirty years, I'll stop bouncing back and I'll have emphysema or worse." I quit cold turkey.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406918)

2 packs a day is not that much. Like, it's much but not "chain smoking". 40 cigs over 16 wake up hours that's what? A cig every 40 minutes? That's normal. I had a bad 3 packs a day phase and that was not chain smoking also.

Now I've been smoke free for almost two weeks (two weeks tomorrow). Proud of it.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406524)

cocaine [...] physiological withdrawal symptoms

Cocaine doesn't cause physiological dependence and nicotine is more addictive than heroin.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406630)

I think you need some big citation on a claim like that you pile of shit. Do you understand that for a great number of people, trying heroin 'just once' has destroyed entirely their lives, they will murder people for the next fix.

This simple does not fucking happen with cigarettes at all. Nor are the symptoms of withdrawal anywhere close to the same. You can compare heroin and cocaine withdrawals if you cut cold turkey. Nicotine, yes there is withdrawal no doubt its a heck of an addiction. But you need to get yourself checked if you think that cig you smoke is more addictive than heroin.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (1)

Sinthet (2081954) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406662)

It may be more addicting, but I hate this argument, as it tries to relate the consequences of smoking cigarettes to heroin use. Heroin is far more dangerous a drug, especially over the long-term than nicotine.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406752)

Haters gonna hate. The argument is about addictive potential.

Re:I don't understand why tobacco companies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406976)

Illicit heroin is dangerous. Legal heroin (diamorphine) is no more dangerous than morphine or fentanyl.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406328)

More people die from obesity than smoking. Lets place heavy taxes on food and ban indoor eating!

I told you so. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406358)

...staying lean since 2008.

Now, now. (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406388)

Don't get worked up over this. You know they only have their customers' best interests in mind.

So it makes you thin (0, Flamebait)

biodata (1981610) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406396)

as well as being the safest addictive substance known to man. There's a reason so many people smoke, and it's a combination of social and genetic factors which creates a tendency for them to establish addictions. Alcohol addiction kills quite quickly as do a lot of illegal drugs. Food addiction only takes about 20 years to kill people and money and sex addictions can easily ruin lives very quickly indeed. Cigarettes take an average of about 50 years of sustained use to kill people and still don't kill all of their users. Pretty good safety record in comparison to any of the alternatives, and they keep you thin too. Win win.

Re:So it makes you thin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406466)

Wow, I want what you're smoking...

Re:So it makes you thin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406626)

Why would you want what he's smoking when you don't the balls to smoke?

Re:So it makes you thin (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406650)

You accidentally the verb.

Re:So it makes you thin (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406532)

weed

Re:So it makes you thin (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406684)

I suppose you consider the yellow teeth, loss of skin tone, complaints from non-smokers around you to also be net benefits?

Personally I try to practice habits that don't make me look stupid and that I can stop doing whenever I feel like it without getting jitters.

Re:So it makes you thin (2)

taucross (1330311) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407288)

Personally, I find that shitting the non-smokers is one of the major benefits of smoking. I'd quit if I knew I wouldn't become one of you.

Re:So it makes you thin (4, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407272)

as well as being the safest addictive substance known to man.

Caffeine. And take your sock puppet with you on the way out.

Re:So it makes you thin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36407278)

Ha! Nice try Mr. Philip Morris.

Remember low-carb beer ads? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406448)

They tried to market them as a health drink! Only makes sense. I hear chemo is good for weight loss, too.

forget the tobacco, just sell us the drugs! (2)

RLBrown (889443) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406458)

Surely they would find the market for a reliable weight loss product to be as profitable as the market for tobacco.

Who cares anyways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406546)

Who cares what the cigarette companies do, there are alternative tobacco products made with no additives if someone wants to buy them. There is something called "personal responisibility" that is lacking is society today. If you don't smoke, good for you. I smoke and I like it. I know its bad for me but I like to smoke anyways. On the topic of smoking and all of the anti-freedom anti-smoker tree huggin hippie leftists out there....back off and let us smoke. No need to "nanny" us smokers. We are already taxed enough on them....if you let us smoke the Gov't would have more money to spend and us "evil" smokers would just die off sooner so we wouldn't polute your precious air.

Re:Who cares anyways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406634)

I happen to be a tree-huggin leftie hippie smoker - so now what? I'll tell you what - there goes your argument. This is the problem with black/white thinking.

Re:Who cares anyways (1)

absurdhero (614828) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407154)

That's cool; I like personal responsibility. Just don't expect my insurance premium to cover you. Please save up money for emphysema treatment or find a way to die before the more costly smoking-caused illnesses set in.

Re:Who cares anyways (1)

taucross (1330311) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407306)

And I don't want my insurance premium to cover your fat ass. We can't all have what we want.

Off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406556)

This is kind of funny, seized domain with weird top hat guy
http://lulzsecurity.org/

Re:Off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406604)

they have a bunch of email accounts a passwrords. should make the chans suck less for a couple days...

Pissing in an ocean of piss. (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406576)

1. Cigareets and whiskey. [youtube.com]

2. The ocean. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Pissing in an ocean of piss. (1)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406664)

Thanks for the Youtube Muppets link. That made me smile.

Well thats just added value! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406712)

Sweeet! what a deal, I buy smokes because of the addiction but the value added features never cease

How many weight watcher points is a smoke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406784)

if you smoke a pack a day to you gain points for the day to spend on more food?

Big whoop (-1, Troll)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406820)

Then don't smoke...pretty simple isn't it? Oh, I'm addicted, I'm a victim, I don't have the will power. In other words, you are a weak pathetic human being that can't overcome something? In the "old days", if you wanted to quit smoking, you QUIT! And as a kid, as I was, you had to put up with your parents getting use to not having nicotine in their system. After a couple of weeks, even after smoking for 20 years, they were done with it and back to normal. Now, you have a patch for this, group for that...geez! No wonder the (USA) is so screwed up. We don't know how to stand on our own two feet without a "support group" for everything. It's a good thing the people of today (in the USA) aren't trying to found a new country...they'd die within the first few hours without a cell phone, starbucks, facebook to deal with. Imagine having to FIND your own food. Bunch of pathetic weak a$$ sheeple is what we have become.

Re:Big whoop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406974)

...Says the man rambling on Slashdot. Speaking of pathetic and weak ass, how is it coming along, that faux tough-guy nerdrage?

Re:Big whoop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36406990)

Don't forget your geritol.

Re:Big whoop (1)

Lyrata (1900038) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407032)

Off with the nostalgia goggles pops. The "old days" were far, far worse than you care to admit or remember.

Their business model kills a lot of people (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406836)

And doing it in a very, very unpleasant way. Recently lost a neighbor to lung cancer at 52. The only sane thing would be to shut them down and and put them all in jail for life.

Re:Their business model kills a lot of people (2)

eL-gring0 (1950736) | more than 3 years ago | (#36406916)

Unfortunate to hear about your neighbor, but there are a lot of substances available to people that can do harm in quantity. Can we jail food producers? Alcohol producers? Can't we hurt or kill ourselves with almost anything, given enough of it?

At some point, don't we have to take responsibility for what we choose to consume? It's not like a lot of these products don't come covered in warnings anymore.

Re:Their business model kills a lot of people (3, Insightful)

crossmr (957846) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407156)

Except most things have some kind of benefit. Even alcohol has health benefits in certain quantities. You can also enjoy alcohol responsibly. There is no responsible way to enjoy cigarettes.

Re:Their business model kills a lot of people (1)

rahvin112 (446269) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407342)

That's been so successful on the war on drugs it's sure to work! It's not like it would increase consumption and incarcerate several million people for doing nothing more than harming themselves.

Making a product illegal does two things. It makes the product sexy and desirable for those wishing to rebel and it increases the incarceration rate, and the US already has the highest. You don't solve medical problems by putting people in jail.

Why do ingredients not have to be labeled? (4, Interesting)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407038)

What really blows my mind is that there is no requirement to list ingredients on tobacco products. Labels are required on food items so why not on cigarets? One could argue that it is even more relevant since anything you smoke goes directly into your blood stream as opposed to the multiple processing stages food takes when you ingest it. This is unbelievable and the only reason I can think of is strong lobbyism by tobacco companies.

Re:Why do ingredients not have to be labeled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36407316)

Mod parent +.1, Obvious

Can you get any lower (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36407048)

than the local sewer? Apparently it's possible.

Why not just ban all additives? (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407102)

Oh yea I forgot its not really about getting people to quit smoking (negligible sales drops = success) its more about tax revenue...cant really be serious about getting people to quit.

Tobacco! Striving to be your "Crystal Meth-Light". (1)

Lashat (1041424) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407118)

Thank You Big Tobacco!

wrong kind of cigarettes (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36407286)

Perhaps they could add these weight loss drugs to cannabis cigarettes, as a counter-agent to the THC side effects rather than as a co-agent to nicotine's.

If so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36407340)

Prison should be the spot theft by deception.

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