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International Monetary Fund Hit By Cyber Attack

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the prithee-cease-with-such-vile-news dept.

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DotNM writes "CityNews and other media outlets are reporting that the International Monetary Fund has been hit by a 'cyber attack.' They are withholding most of the details; however, it is known that the World Bank has shut down a 'link' between them and the IMF." Adds reader Hugh Pickens, "A cyber security expert told Reuters the infiltration had been a targeted attack, which installed software designed to give a nation state a 'digital insider presence' at the IMF. 'The code was developed and released for this purpose,' said Tom Kellerman, who has worked for the Fund. Bloomberg quoted an unnamed security expert as saying the hackers were connected to a foreign government — however, such attacks are very difficult to trace."

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Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416130)

Must've been Anonymous. Like usual.

Re:Anonymous (1)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416184)

...or it could have been Lulzsec or any other organization or individuals. Believe it or not, there are for more hackers out there than just Anon.

Re:Anonymous (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416306)

It's the Cylons. This is exactly why we don't network our systems together.

Re:Anonymous (3, Funny)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416340)

I actually laughed out.

The most secure computer is one that is not on the internet or networked to other computers. I am surprised BSG preaches that to the mainstream. Or that never sleep with robots.

A BSG ship must be one that must be managed by a team of sysadmins. If you can't network you must have one physical computer per subsystem.

sudo /etc/init.d/hyperdrive restart
Password:
Core dump: Failed to restart, not aligned
Hint: Is antimatter callibrator powered and within frequency range?
vim /etc/hyperdrive.conf

Re:Anonymous (2)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416434)

Remember Stuxnet? it was deliberately designed to infect machines that were not connected to the internet by jumping aboard USB thumb drives. Just not being connected to the net isn't enough, although it certainly helps isolate you from the vast majority of the attacks an outside force could try. If that machine is in contact with any other machines, in any way, it's possible to be compromised unless even greater security measures are implemented.

So the most secure machine is one that is not networked with any other machines, and is not allowed contact with any other machines, even vicariously through sharing files.

Re:Anonymous (1)

DrBoumBoum (926687) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416662)

by jumping aboard USB thumb drives

Which indicates that the systems were running Windows XP which is the only OS out there with the autorun "feature". If you're using a Windows OS to run critical industrial facilities then you really deserve to be hacked and have your facility shut down. This system was never intended to do that.

If you want a secure setup use a decent Unix variant to run your servers; you can even have them accessible from the outside if you know what you're doing.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416732)

QuickTime in classic Mac OS had an autoplay feature for CD-ROM content. Not so easy to exploit (no executables), but still doable with a suitable security hole.

Re:Anonymous (1)

lahvak (69490) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416814)

You don't need autoplay for infection. Most viruses in the times of DOS spread in floppy disks, and there was no autoplay feature in DOS. Whatever system you are using, it has to access the media in order to learn about things like its filesystem, even before that, there has to be a driver of some sort for the actual hardware. If there is a bug in the code handling any of these things, an infection can occur long time before any autorun feature would even kick in.

Re:Anonymous (1)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417172)

You don't need autoplay for infection. Most viruses in the times of DOS spread in floppy disks, and there was no autoplay feature in DOS. Whatever system you are using, it has to access the media in order to learn about things like its filesystem, even before that, there has to be a driver of some sort for the actual hardware. If there is a bug in the code handling any of these things, an infection can occur long time before any autorun feature would even kick in.

Did you have the light on when you had breakfast? Me thinks you ate a bowl full of thick pills instead of your wheeties! I hope so - because otherwise you are barking mad.

In the days of MS/PC/4/IMB-DOS malware (like "del. > nul" in a setup.bat) on floppy drives required the user to actually execute the .exe/.com/.bat file.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36417334)

I think he is referring to a boot sector virus... which still makes it a completely retarded post.

Re:Anonymous (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417324)

Propagation through Interrupt 13. When BIOS routines managed all disk access for the OS.

01h 02h and 03h were the handler subs which gave you a vector for the MBR-type of virus.

McAfee used to update signatures quarterly...

Re:Anonymous (2)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417050)

Actually Stuxnet has been analyzed pretty well and would have attacked Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 - no autoplay required. Remember the purpose of placing a USB key in one of these machines is to copy data from / to it because the machines aren't networked and the data has to be analyzed. In this case, a couple of zero day vulnerabilities were utilized that caused Windows to get infected by just opening the folder. Mark Russinovich did a nice, digestible 3 part write up on it that starts here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2011/03/30/3416253.aspx [technet.com] .

Social engineering and clickers (3, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416148)

Not much info is given, but it looks like someone got an email, they clicked it and then got infected.

So the hack was really just an employee doing something.

Re:Social engineering and clickers (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416424)

Must have been a "click my boobs to see them juggle" email.

Re:Social engineering and clickers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416538)

Juggling boobs?

Now that's a talent.

Re:Social engineering and clickers (1)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416600)

Hate those - they always get me!

Re:Social engineering and clickers (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416648)

Must have been a "click my boobs to see them juggle" email.

This was the IMF so they probably clicked one of those 'Pay Day Loan' emails to check up on the competition ;-)

Re:Social engineering and clickers (5, Funny)

Errtu76 (776778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416716)

mod this up to see my boobies

IOW, the Chinese (3, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416150)

Bloomberg quoted an unnamed security expert as saying the hackers were connected to a foreign government — however, such attacks are very difficult to trace."

IOW, the Chinese did it, and everyone is too fucking scared to point the finger.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (2)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416162)

Or those pesky Russians, it cant be Americans obviously.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416286)

Or those pesky Russians, it cant be Americans obviously.

No need. The Americans can download whatever code they like in Windows Update. No hacking required.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416228)

That's exactly what the guy responsible for the cyber attacks would say!

Re:IOW, the Chinese (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416232)

Nonsense, if the Chinese did it, that would have been an act of war. Don't you remember that fancy speech? Only choice is to blame Anonymous. The extra excuse for new laws is a bonus of course.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36417284)

Nonsense, if the Chinese did it, that would have been an act of war. Don't you remember that fancy speech? Only choice is to blame Anonymous. The extra excuse for new laws is a bonus of course.

OK - it's true that Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have been wanting to do this for years - and sure they've been hiring the people to do it... but it definitely was Anonymous.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416274)

I'm sorry, but after seeing how the IMF and the World Bank basically actively keep the desperate state of Africa up, causing horrible wars and mass-starvation, just for the wealth of the "west",
I, for one, proudly proclaim, that anyone who tries to kick their asses for that cause, is a hero to me, and anyone who disagrees will be force-moved to Africa, and get a good luck wish from me. (Won't help him one bit though).

Luckily, I know most people here are pretty educated about such things.

P.S.: If it was China, which I disagree with, I don't think they did it for that cause though.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

mutherhacker (638199) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416402)

At last, the bully country is scared of somebody. The tides are turning.

I for one welcome our new communist overlords. How much worse than the US reign can it be?

Re:IOW, the Chinese (2)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416408)

Ever been to North Korea? That much worse.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (2)

dbIII (701233) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416530)

Sadly North Korea isn't much like China. Refugees flee North Korea to what looks to them like the free, peaceful and democratic utopia of China - that's how bad North Korea is from what little we can work out from the outside. I know someone from China that last heard from their North Korean relatives around thirty years ago when relations between the two countries broke down. It's a country that doesn't trust anybody and seems to be run right out of the pages from 1984.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (2, Interesting)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416420)

You have led a sheltered life if you have to ask that question. As phucked up as US foreign policy is, the US is still the lesser of all the available evils. At least here in the US, we can (and do) speak out about our policies. Try that in China.

America = world terrorist (2, Informative)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416470)

And Americans = terrorist supporters.

e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NUDWQ0U7N8 [youtube.com]

How many countries has the USA invaded recently? Whether you are better or worse than someone else is irrelevant. This is what you are.

Re:America = world terrorist (1, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416520)

First of all, if its on youtube it must be the truth.
Secondly "clips" taken out of context does not equal truth
Third, it is possible this kind of thing happens, just like when terrorists use human shields to protect themselves, planting evidence to make it look like a civilian, and other such events.
Fourth, you troll.

Re:America = world terrorist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416526)

Americans on the whole don't support Obama's illegal wars. We know by now that getting involved in Mid-East countries results in a giant quagmire with nothing good as a result. So please don't think it's all the US who want this to happen, it's our government that been hijacked by a very small number of elites and Obama is just doing their bidding.

Re:America = world terrorist (5, Interesting)

tick-tock-atona (1145909) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416634)

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

So it was all the elites who were dancing in the streets last month when the US executed Osama Bin Laden? You guys just don't get it. Pulling that kind of crap is exactly why everyone else in the world detests US foreign policy.

If you still can't see it, consider the arrest of Ratko Mladic the other day. Almost identical situation, except Mladic personally helped to execute at least twice as many people as died in the attack on the World Trade Centre, so you could say he is more evil than OBL. And he was arrested and taken to the ICC. He wasn't shot in the head and dumped in the ocean, because that is not how civilised societies deal with criminals.

The way the US public cheers the fact that their government can and does execute anyone in the world with no due process, and is perfectly entitled to invade any country they don't like makes me feel physically ill.

Re:America = world terrorist (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416704)

It may appear to an odd distinction, but bin Laden was a non-state actor. Mladic was a military leader in what would be recognized internationally as being a state. The line becomes blurred in cases where a state is effectively run by nutjobs like the Taliban or Hamas.

Re:America = world terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416766)

It's an odd distinction. Where do you place Arkan [wikipedia.org] on a "line" between Osama bin Laden and Ratko Mladic? Was he a state actor or a non-state actor? Those are just words. The deeds these three men have done were funded and supported by people in power, otherwise they wouldn't have achieved this much violence.

Re:America = world terrorist (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416866)

If bin Laden is a non-state actor, why invade Afghanistan?

Re:America = world terrorist (2)

Life2Short (593815) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417004)

While I support a reliance on the rule of law in theory, your example points out the exception. The breakup of Yugoslavia resulted in a war that dragged on for 10 years. Over 100,000 people died as a result, over a third of them innocent civilians. The European community, particularly Britain, France, and Germany, were incapable of halting an atrocity-filled war on their very doorstep. For all we know the war would still be going on today if the Americans hadn't stepped in and stopped it.

While you understandably decry American cowboy diplomacy, let's face it: without the big Yankee stick you'd be getting your news from Pravda. If you honestly think that would be preferable to the world situation now, I will leave you to think longingly on what might have been.

And as a parting shot with regard to Mladic, don't you ask yourself, "Why is this guy crawling out from under his rock now?" Let's not confuse political expediency with justice...

It's a rotten and unjust world, let's hope we can make some improvements. But don't ever kid yourself that bureaucrats in Brussels will be able to do the job all by themselves.

Re:America = world terrorist (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416652)

Americans on the whole don't support Obama's illegal wars.

The Shrub family would like to thank you for setting that issue straight!

Re:America = world terrorist (1)

ZOP (240653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417212)

Americans on the whole don't support Obama's illegal wars. We know by now that getting involved in Mid-East countries results in a giant quagmire with nothing good as a result. So please don't think it's all the US who want this to happen, it's our government that been hijacked by a very small number of elites and Obama is just doing their bidding.

Uhm well, reality check here. *BUSH* started this. Obama is being forced to continue it by congress, the military leaders, and corporate america. In case you haven't noticed, the president is barely more than a figurehead anymore due to congress.

Re:America = world terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416834)

Imagine you are a soldier, dropped in a war zone by your government. You are balancing the tightrope between applying too much violence, which will get you court-martialed, and not enough violence, which will get you killed.
It is only natural for those soldiers to create their own third option. It is also very natural to share this critical life protection measure with your brothers in arms, as they would do with you.

No conspiracy theory needed here, just common sense.

Re:America = world terrorist (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417250)

And Americans = terrorist supporters.

e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NUDWQ0U7N8 [youtube.com]

How many countries has the USA invaded recently? Whether you are better or worse than someone else is irrelevant. This is what you are.

To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and, whatever you hit, call it the target.
        - Ashleigh Brilliant

Re:IOW, the Chinese (4, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416516)

At least here in the US, we can (and do) speak out about our policies.

The thing is, that is changing rapidly. People are now regularly being accused of terrorism for pointing out flaws and failures. If we allow this situation to worsen...

Re:If we allow this situation to worsen (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416850)

Oh my, you just scared me into realizing something.

We're going to have to all go back and study the Darmok episode of Trek TNG. Why? Because all we'll be able to get out is catalog numbers of Amazon's database containing the message we want to send.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416974)

People are now regularly being accused of terrorism for pointing out flaws and failures.

Care to list some examples of people indicted for "terrorism" when all they did was "point out flaws and failures"?

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417270)

Care to list some examples of people indicted for "terrorism" when all they did was "point out flaws and failures"?

Indicted? The accusation is sufficient to cause harm.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416592)

At least here in the US, we can (and do) speak out about our policies. Try that in China.

Try doing it in a public place.

Hurr, durr, freedumbs; herp de derp.

Try opening your fucking eyes to what actually goes on in the US these days.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416632)

Modded 'insightful'

PS: If they know all about it, wouldn't it be better to keep quiet and tweak the code to send out false information...?

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

Legal.Troll (2002574) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417098)

People do this in public places all the time. Some, however, seem more interested in figuring out what bothers the cops, and then ritually pushing those buttons, than actually making any point or getting any message out. Somewhat ironically, those are the ones you are more likely to hear about in the news.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416650)

Yeah, it comforts me a lot that I can talk about how fucked up the system is here while I can only sit and stare helplessly in China.

Though... somehow the difference is just a lot of talking.

Re:just a lot of talking (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416872)

It's really quite hypnotic too.

Dark Marteria with the +1 Insightful again.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

mutherhacker (638199) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416804)

Yes yes, keep telling yourselves that. If it helps you sleep at night. Please, keep pretending like nothing's wrong.

Regarding the freedom of speech thing, according to the Reporters Without Borders 2010 Press Freedom Index, the United States is currently 20th in the world in terms of press freedom.
Censorship in the US [wikipedia.org] .

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

X.25 (255792) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417060)

You have led a sheltered life if you have to ask that question. As phucked up as US foreign policy is, the US is still the lesser of all the available evils. At least here in the US, we can (and do) speak out about our policies. Try that in China.

What's the point of repeating this concept every day? That's pretty much all you can do right now. Talk.

Everything else is controlled.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416460)

What about 'International' did you not understand?

Pentagon - false flag operation (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416428)

The purpose is to provide sufficient excuse to continue military spending. You may recall the USA hit it's debt limit and is about to default. This will persuade the dissenting politicians that they should vote for an increase in the limit.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (5, Funny)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416432)

Haha, I was wondering what "America has defaulted on its Chinese loans!" means? Does that mean we are going to be evicted? That is what CountryWide Loans did to me and my wife when we defaulted on our mortgage. "Whoopsie, catch you next month?" didn't cut is for us too many times. Doesn't Proverbs or something read "A borrower is slave to the lender?" and "Never a borrower or lender be?" I guess nobody played Monopoly either. Here's one thing about playing Monopoly, what happens when the big kid flips the board over and pounds you with your own Radio Flyer Wagon?

China: "USA...you land on Park Place, it has hotel, you owe me, I win!
USA: "grrrr...."
China: "you empty pockets NOW!"
USA: "You want wants in my pockets? Ok...here you go. BOOOOOOOOM, it's a thermal nuke from space! I guess you shouldn't try hacking us..lol."
China: "Jokes on you, we have nanobot and organic weapons we have been seeding you from Wal-Mart! You will all turn to zombies, we will rule the world!"
Australia: "Eastern Australia is attacking Western Australia...I need card, and I am strat moving all my armies to Siam....What?"
Britain: "I say old chap, you are playing the wrong game! It's Monopoly, not RISK."
Alfred E. Newman: What? Me worry?

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

alfredo (18243) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417032)

If so, the IMF takes over our economy. Judging from what they have done to countries like Malawi, Niger, and other victims, they will sell our assets off at pennies on the dollar to domestic and foreign corporations, force the end to the social safety net, workers rights, and any charitable work by the government. Famine and other cases of human suffering has no effect on the IMF. Corporate profit is all that matters. We will be owned by the people who forced this crisis. It is called "Disaster Capitalism."

Re:IOW, the Chinese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36417304)

"Thermal nuke"? You seemed like such an educated troll, before I read your comment.

Re:IOW, the Chinese (1)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417228)

Bloomberg quoted an unnamed security expert as saying the hackers were connected to a foreign government — however, such attacks are very difficult to trace."

Not as difficult to trace as "unnamed security experts".

I'm going to get flack from a hopper load of "Certifeyed" "Ethical Hackers" (with links to their business touting security blogs in their homepage link but...

an "unnamed security expert" is an oxymoron (they tend to be attention whores). Seriously - it's like reading "an unnamed actor today said he/she had been asked to take over Charlie Sheen's job". Bullshit. Even a bullet in the brain wouldn't stop 'em from letting the media know who they were - even if it meant crawling through a million letter boxes to correct the article by hand. (sigh) Slashdot is increasingly becoming a venue for binspam and a posting ground for the ponderously autistic.

Who am I to believe? (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416152)

According to conspiracy theories, bringing the current currencies down so that a new world order arises will be an Inside Job (TM).

Re:Who am I to believe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416176)

According to conspiracy theories, bringing the current currencies down so that a new world order arises will be an Inside Job (TM).

Again with the Bitcoin.

oi.

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416406)

Thank you for spelling out the word I didn't dare to mention, but I think the chessboard is much bigger.

Re:Who am I to believe? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416310)

You already lost the game, when you accepted belief instead of facts.
I, as a social engineer, would thrive on you, if I weren't on your side here.
Basically, you already did my job. All I would have to do, is feed you "news" about whatever reality I want you to believe in. Causing you to act, based upon that "reality". Resulting in whatever I want you to do. You'd even defend me against others, because your beliefs would be me.
Yes, "evil" just doesn't describe it anymore. And yes, that's why it's only acceptable for me, to do something good with it. (Like educate people about it.)

If you want to know what to think, look at this: Pierce’s cycle of scientific knowledge development.
Notice how it says "observation". Personal observation. And even that can deceive you. (Hence there are optical illusions and "magicans".)
But it's the best you've got. And rational thinking (logic is good, but they can't free you from emotions [youtube.com] ) does the rest.
Everything else, news, friends, books, me... are just external sources, and hence inherently can't give you any guarantees. You can choose to trust them. But then you also trust their agenda. As all they say, is for the purpose of that agenda. (That's not evil. It's just natural. Their agenda can also be something good to you.)

So make wise choices, and when in doubt, never ever "believe". :)

Good post (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416356)

Interesting and creepy at the same time.

I like the aura of mystery your create and the menacingness. Yet at the same time you sound like a hero, almost an anti-hero, shrouded in justice and maybe a troubled past.

I can see a movie now.

Re:Good post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416436)

If you're undecided, I can recommend "V for Vendetta" or "Idiocracy"

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416412)

Thank you for the encouraging words, Anonymous. I believe you meant Charles Sanders Peirce and not Pierce.

Re:Who am I to believe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416508)

Wat?

Re:Who am I to believe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416558)

Ooops. Forgot to close the </strong> tag.

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416624)

You already lost the game, when you accepted belief instead of facts. (...) So make wise choices, and when in doubt, never ever "believe". :)

The future is always conjecture, whether you're trying to choose a pickup line or decide what your major in college should be. True, generally compliments work better than insults but you'll never have the facts until afterwards. Life is not a scientific experiment because it's impossible to recreate, or as the old Greeks put it: "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." When you have the facts it is already history, you can not go back and change the past. And even so, you never have the facts about how the alternatives would work out. Of all the possible conversation you might have had, you only know the outcome of the one you actually did.

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416336)

Well helicopter Ben is doing well enough bringing the US dollar down while the empty suit Obama is gunning for another Nobel Peace Prize by widening the war in Libya and even Yemen. Prepare for higher inflation, higher energy prices, more conflict, more bs regulations, just more BS!!

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

The Master Control P (655590) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416522)

Ah, I see for the moment the Party Line requires that Obama be an empty suit. No doubt when it's time to pass some legislation, he'll be an evil satanic genius perverting the system from within.

If you want energy prices to go down, the only thing that's going to make that happen is the civil wars in the middle east being resolved. That and gutpunching the oil companies and putting our boots on their necks for intentionally manipulating the market, but with the Republicans being what they are I'll count on the wars being over first.

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417196)

That and gutpunching the oil companies and putting our boots on their necks for intentionally manipulating the market

I read somewhere last week that a study has come out showing that 90% of the people driving oil prices up (by betting thus on the market) were just financial racketeers who don't actually do business related to oil.

Re:Who am I to believe? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417310)

Obama is gunning for another Nobel Peace Prize by widening the war in Libya and even Yemen.

Supporting the protesters in one, and bombing them in the other.

300 quatloos on the insurgent (1)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416166)

Is this to be interpreted as a declaration of war on the IMF? Because that was long overdue.

Suits them good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416172)

IMF is the "Henry" for other nations. Take Greece for example: IMF is lending money to Greece, even though the country wont be able to pay back. Eventually, IMF has managed to infiltrate the country, without the use of weapons, and now they affect Greece's international and also national policies, laws were changed in favour of the Man, situation gets worse everyday.

What i am trying to say is that IMF has only done harm to humanity, and they will always be a justified target.

Re:Suits them good (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416486)

But think of the banks and their shareholders. In the 1960-80's all that lovely cash was just flowing to provide basic services and jobs of life.
Now you have for profit - but still not natural monopolies in 100% private hands.
When the IMF is done with Greece, a few more people will be set for generations of wealth for cents on the $.

*Foreign* government??? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416190)

> Bloomberg quoted an unnamed security expert as saying the hackers were connected to a foreign government
So this "unnamed security expert" sees the IMF as a (world?) government or as part of some (the american?) government.
Or what does the word "foreign" mean here?

I Love Bloomberg sometimes... (1)

JinjaontheNile (2217694) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416202)

In the middle of the Bloomberg article is the statement:
A SecurID device is shaped like a key fob or a computer-memory stick and generates random-number passwords used to gain access to a computer network

Continuously changing passwords != Random

Re:I Love Bloomberg sometimes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416212)

Continuously changing passwords != Random

Changing passwords at discrete intervals != Continuously changing passwords.

Re:I Love Bloomberg sometimes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416254)

Forgivable mistake. Randomness is a difficult concept. Most numbers that "we" call random every day aren't random either, just pseudo-random, like these OTPs.

foreign (4, Insightful)

anonieuweling (536832) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416298)

How can the hackers be foreign if we're the *international* monetary fund?

Re:foreign (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416322)

Exactly my point. But it seems that many people see the IMF as part of the american government. See for example this previous comment:
> Nonsense, if the Chinese did it, that would have been an act of war. Don't you remember that fancy speech?
Looks like the propaganda is wearing thin and people are starting to see the IMF as what it really is.

Re:foreign (1)

azalin (67640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416324)

Well, maybe in the next "update" the FBI agents will carry calculators instead of walkie-talkies instead of guns. Who knows.
Good news is ET will have his phone call either way

Re:foreign (3, Informative)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416348)

Many in the world view the IMF as the European arm[1] of the Western Powers. During the 1997 Asian financial crisis the IMF recommended actions (e.g. allow important/strategic local banks to fail or to be bought up by foreign companies) that the US and other western countries would not take in their own crisis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis#IMF_Role [wikipedia.org]

Those actions arguably weakened the countries more than they would have otherwise. One can compare those countries with Malaysia (which declined the IMF's "help" and "advice"). Some later spun the results as Malaysia not recovering as much but if the country doesn't crash as low naturally it doesn't rise back as much ;).

[1] With the World Bank being the US arm...

Re:foreign (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416430)

that's probably best read as 'tied to a particular government'-- foreign government being a quasi-proper-noun, especially when it's used in this tense ;] You have to remember that often the exact data that is classified or will get a person in specific trouble is the 'who', to a point of having to refer to pictures of obvious $language text as 'foreign text' instead of the proper language name while reporting. I don't really get it either, but there's some sort of twisted logic to it, it's not just crazy talk, or at least not always.

Although your question was quite astute and gave me a giggle.

Re:foreign (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36416614)

>How can the hackers be foreign if we're the *international* monetary fund?

Extraterrestrial hackers.

Re:foreign (1)

am 2k (217885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416616)

How can the hackers be foreign if we're the *international* monetary fund?

Aliens?

Re:foreign (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416680)

Aliens

Such exciting times we live in these days. (1)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416396)

Isn't it great when real life starts playing like a cheesy B movie? We just need a real super villain to rise up out of this and it will be /popcorn time.

Speaking of the IMF scandals, what happened to the deposed chief of it that got sacked with a sex scandal in NY? What has became of that? My money from the start was it was a set up and that after he was burned out of the position, his case will vanish in legal smoke, everyone will blame lawyers and liberals or something and he will be off and running back to France. Everyone wins, except him and socialism. Did I miss something?

So who are these new players in the game? Old players just firing a shot off the IMF's bow with this new fangled warfare of cyberwarfare? Here's a question, who's to gain from all of this? Bloomberg? American politics are everything these days to watch. Bloomberg is a Republican, and the hawkish right might be making some preludes to some war. Or is it the usual suspects the Chinese and their shenanigans?

Where is Bond? Shouldn't he be in some lurid scene getting a phone call to get on the job?

This has to be the geek/mercenary wet dream for job opportunities. Perhaps espionage should become part of a good geeks resume'? Put down the bag of Cheetos, pick up some weights, walk for the beer instead of drive. We might be in for a long run at this, so might as well get with the program now.

Credit Cards (2)

jamesl (106902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416416)

Maybe the politicians will have to stop using their (our) national "credit cards" for a while. A few decades would be nice.

Nevermind (3, Funny)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416446)

Nevermind, it turns out it was just Goldman Sachs trying to colocate their servers with the IMF computers...

Dominique Strauss-Kahn != Cristiano Ronaldo (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416472)

Dominique Strauss-Kahn != Cristiano Ronaldo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIzuY5V_YUI [youtube.com]

THIS is how to charm hotel maids :)

Re:Dominique Strauss-Kahn != Cristiano Ronaldo (1)

Raven_Stark (747360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417062)

Thanks for the blue balls

hacked by!!! (1)

NSN A392-99-964-5927 (1559367) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416498)

The 419 Nigerian scam who have been working for the IMF.

IMF actions have caused deaths (5, Informative)

Cato (8296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416620)

One example is that the IMF stopped Malawi from stockpiling grain, and many people died of starvation as a result:

"... when in 2001 the IMF found out the Malawian government had built up large stockpiles of grain in case there was a crop failure, they ordered them to sell it off to private companies at once. They told Malawi to get their priorities straight by using the proceeds to pay off a loan from a large bank the IMF had told them to take out in the first place, at a 56 per cent annual rate of interest. The Malawian president protested and said this was dangerous. But he had little choice. The grain was sold. The banks were paid.

The next year, the crops failed. The Malawian government had almost nothing to hand out. The starving population was reduced to eating the bark off the trees, and any rats they could capture. The BBC described it as Malawiâ(TM)s âoeworst ever famine.â There had been a much worse crop failure in 1991-2, but there was no famine because then the government had grain stocks to distribute. So at least a thousand innocent people starved to death.

Extracted from http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-its-not-just-dominique-strausskahn-the-imf-itself-should-be-on-trial-2292270.html [independent.co.uk]

Other examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#Impact_on_access_to_food [wikipedia.org]

Re:IMF actions have caused deaths (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36417016)

It's not as clear cut as you claim. That is especially true given that your source is an opinion piece in the Independent.

See this news article from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2014396.stm

Re:IMF actions have caused deaths (3, Insightful)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417220)

Incompetent governments blaming it on someone else. Oldest trick in the book.

And btw, defaulting is not an option. The ONLY reason the US dollar still stands is that the US NEVER defaulted.

As long as we are speculating wildly... (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416694)

I think it was Bin Laden. He realized his body was not going to last much longer, so he had it copied onto those thousands of USB drives and hidden in various files using steganography techniques. Then, when the US forces analysed them, the bits of Bin Laden's consciousness became assembled in the US government's computer networks. From there, it was trivial for Bin Laden's digital ghost to get into the IMF.

See how simple that was?

Define "foreign"? (2)

Shoten (260439) | more than 3 years ago | (#36416854)

This is the IMF. What's a foreign government, in that context...Martians?

Why not a company? (2)

johanw (1001493) | more than 3 years ago | (#36417018)

Why would a large organization always mean a country? Why not a large bank that wants to know in advance how much risk is really involved in lending money to Greece? Goldman-Sachs has been rumbeling in that area more than enough already.

Chinese, for sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36417094)

They're not THAT powerful. Why are we so afraid of naming and shaming them?

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