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Turkish Police Nab 32 Suspects Tied To Anonymous

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-ever-been-in-a-turkish-prison? dept.

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wiredmikey writes "Following the arrest of three alleged 'Anonymous' members by Spanish authorities on Friday, Turkey's state-run news agency has reported that police have detained 32 individuals allegedly linked to the hacktivist group. The Anatolia news agency said today that the suspects were taken into custody after conducting raids in a dozen cities for suspected ties to Anonymous. The group recently targeted Web sites of the country's telecommunications watchdog, the prime minister's office and parliament as a protest to Turkey's plans to introduce Internet filters."

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MIDNIGHT EXPRESS BROUGHT TO A HALT !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422702)

Good riddance !! The trash that Turkey has become is so bad today, even the magic carpets are not worth a ride !!

Re:MIDNIGHT EXPRESS BROUGHT TO A HALT !! (2)

Smallpond (221300) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424634)

Ha! We've found another one! Here's the evidence:

by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13, @02:24AM (#36422702)

or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (5, Insightful)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422704)

it's also possible that Turkey is cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as a cover story.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422740)

We do seem to be the new villains. And easy to villainize, I suppose. We have no one voice to decry actions of others, no standard that can be recognized, no motive that can be twisted for someone's benefit. Although some have tried. Once this kind of crackdown comes to our shores (yes I am wearing a tin-foil hat), it will we more along the lines of "Suspected pedophile and member of Anonymous..." Posted Anonymously.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422894)

Well, it's not like there isn't rhyme or reason to what comes out of a 4chan mob. The members generally lash out at things -- especially things that are arbitrary and belonging to conventional power structures. Also, there's a strong bias towards things that are in that demographic's field of vision. Just like here, a holy shitstorm gets raised about Sony's transgressions because they actually play their games and use their products -- in absolute terms and with more holistic foresight, it would be something like Goldman Sachs instead.

To piss off Anonymous the most, come in with hypocritical, fit-for-a-fifth-grader morality and attempt to define things like social norms. To please Anonymous, be an attractive young woman who periodically takes pictures of herself, has some degree of confidence and rehashes and without overt intention redefines -chan culture.

...Oh, you mean just anonymous like the two of us... not quite as easy to define, but very easy to disingenuously call dangerous and "linked to others."

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (5, Insightful)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423164)

Well, it's not like there isn't rhyme or reason to what comes out of a 4chan mob. The members generally lash out at things -- especially things that are arbitrary and belonging to conventional power structures. Also, there's a strong bias towards things that are in that demographic's field of vision. Just like here, a holy shitstorm gets raised about Sony's transgressions because they actually play their games and use their products -- in absolute terms and with more holistic foresight, it would be something like Goldman Sachs instead.

To piss off Anonymous the most, come in with hypocritical, fit-for-a-fifth-grader morality and attempt to define things like social norms. To please Anonymous, be an attractive young woman who periodically takes pictures of herself, has some degree of confidence and rehashes and without overt intention redefines -chan culture.

...Oh, you mean just anonymous like the two of us... not quite as easy to define, but very easy to disingenuously call dangerous and "linked to others."

The problem with that logic is that it is based on the assumption that Anonymous == 4-chan and it doesn't allow for the sabotage factor. Bear in mind that even if only one member of 4-chan is involved they'd find it hard not to tell the world about it - and if they're not from 4-chan (cough) they'd deliberately muddy the waters to hide their identity. Anyone wanting to discredit any anonymous action (and the lower-case a is deliberate) only has to add a 4-chan element to it. Feeding stupid people fake proof of their own fears is the easiest way to manipulate them - it's not like they're ever going to check the facts - and even when presented with evidence to negate their beliefs - the massive emotional investment they've made in their (stupid) opinions is one they will never challenge.

Sound a little tin foil hat? Then maybe a little study of history is in order.

The world is a complex place full of people incapable of grasping even limited complexity - with a shortage of facts they jump to conclusions that compliment their own fears and failings. Teenage hackers with paedophile ascendancies and a hatred of the established order - "Yeah I can picture that"

Be careful what you believe. What happens to you could be happening to others. eg. someone accuses you of something you. did. not. do. - then they are saying nothing of you and speaking volumes of themselves.

---

Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what we'll tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!

~ Bill Hicks

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (2)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#36425124)

especially things that are arbitrary and belonging to conventional power structures

Like what, Habbo Hotel?

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (4, Insightful)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423026)

We do seem to be the new villains. And easy to villainize, I suppose. We have no one voice to decry actions of others, no standard that can be recognized, no motive that can be twisted for someone's benefit. Although some have tried. Once this kind of crackdown comes to our shores (yes I am wearing a tin-foil hat), it will we more along the lines of "Suspected pedophile and member of Anonymous..." Posted Anonymously.

I love how at the _same time_ people think "information should be free", "once something is online it will be there forever", and "the Internet routes around censorship like damage", they believe anonymity exists as if all the above doesn't apply to digital access logs, billing records, CCTV, etc.

Your anonymity is on borrowed time, and I hope you've enjoyed squandering it on stupid shit for laughs.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (3)

Dilaudid (574715) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423178)

I agree. The party line seems to be "Things like Wikileaks are good, because they deny privacy to other people. Things like car number plate recognition are bad, because they deny privacy to us." I personally hope that personal privacy is eroded at the expense of public information. I'm here to learn, not to cheat, and I'm not afraid of anyone.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424490)

>"Things like Wikileaks are good, because they deny privacy to other people"

Only if you consider governments to be people. There is a fundamental difference between privacy in official governmental capacity or (to a limited extent) by a public figure and the privacy of an individual person.

I think you'll change your tune about privacy the first time you don't get hired because of something you posted on Slashdot, can't get a loan because you associate with the wrong people on Facebook or can't get health insurance because you visited websites on cancer. It will be too late then, of course.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (-1)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423196)

We do seem to be the new villains. And easy to villainize, I suppose. We have no one voice to decry actions of others, no standard that can be recognized, no motive that can be twisted for someone's benefit. Although some have tried. Once this kind of crackdown comes to our shores (yes I am wearing a tin-foil hat), it will we more along the lines of "Suspected pedophile and member of Anonymous..." Posted Anonymously.

I love how at the _same time_ people think "information should be free", "once something is online it will be there forever", and "the Internet routes around censorship like damage", they believe anonymity exists as if all the above doesn't apply to digital access logs, billing records, CCTV, etc.

Your anonymity is on borrowed time, and I hope you've enjoyed squandering it on stupid shit for laughs.

I *don't* love how fools generalise with sweeping statements like yours - it makes you sound dumb, scared, ignorant, and completely uninformed. I'm presuming you plucked all those facts out of your arse - did you? Or are you saying that extensive first-hand research that you've done shows this to be a fact. How many real life people do you know?

Change is a bitch. Denial of change makes people like you scared and angry. Pull your head out of Reagan's bum and recognise this is 2011 - the world is not how you'd wish it to be, it never was, and it never will be. You change nothing and your contributions are worthless. Deal with it.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424414)

I *don't* love how fools generalise with sweeping statements like yours - it makes you sound dumb, scared, ignorant, and completely uninformed. I'm presuming you plucked all those facts out of your arse - did you? Or are you saying that extensive first-hand research that you've done shows this to be a fact. How many real life people do you know?

Change is a bitch. Denial of change makes people like you scared and angry. Pull your head out of Reagan's bum and recognise this is 2011 - the world is not how you'd wish it to be, it never was, and it never will be. You change nothing and your contributions are worthless. Deal with it.

If that ain't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424880)

What change has the Anonymous filth accomplished? Fucking up people's PS3 accounts? Wow. That's a real blow against The Man. Ooo! Big scary Sony. Wow.

Face it. They are pussies. They'll never go after a *real* target.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (2, Insightful)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423264)

They don't think "information should be free" at all. Do you think they'd apply the same standards to themselves as they do to the enemy du jour ? By far, the most used attack vector is the fact that people don't use unique passwords. Do you think they find people have the right to know their password has been downloaded (generally, no cracking tools are involved. Encryption is not the weak point of site's defenses. Idiocy is) ? Get real.

Once you actually visit a few of these boards you have to admit the big part of their motivation is "wow I can steal without getting caught. Free stuff !" and another big part is self-congratulation (esp. in the defacing).

Their motivations are not the fight for freedom, morality and goodwill for all.

I actually get the impression that they are enemies of freedom. They are certainly enemies of any freedom to fairly produce software, even when we're talking about GPL software. I don't really get why slashdotters would support them.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (2)

m50d (797211) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423364)

No freedom is real unless you squander it on stupid shit for laughs

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424618)

While anonymity exists, that's because it is protected by law in a large number of countries, turkey not being one of those. It's not a time issue and it's not squandered, but I hope you realize that a lack of anonymity is a big deal.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (0)

Altanar (56809) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422750)

Do you know anything about Turkey? You do realize it's more like Greece than Syria, right?

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422850)

Thanks to the legend of Ataturk, which is fading. My prediction, Erdogan will remove term limits in 3-4 years ...

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422966)

They don't call it Turkey because it's like Greece. They call it Turkey because that is what it is, and always has been, Turkey.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423296)

It's only been Turkey since a gay ottoman colonel ("imam", which is a military rank) drove islam out of the caliphate. About 80 years now. Ataturk himself was worse than Hitler, and conducted his own holocaust on Armenians.

But, sad as the comparison may be, most Turks will agree : Turkey's Hitler ... was a LOT better than islam, and so he's a hero.

(and he should be a hero, despite the bad, just like slave-owners are the champions of America's morals. In the same vein Ataturk is the champion of Turkey's morals)

congrats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423348)

on your shitty nonexistent knowledge of history.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (3, Informative)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#36425172)

Mustapha Kemal Ataturk didn't perpetuate the Armenian Genocide, that was Ismail Enver Pasha, War Minister of the Ottoman Empire and his Committee of Union and Progress colleagues. Mustapha Kemal was too busy fighting World War I to exterminate Armenians.

Certainly, Turkey has never taken responsibility for the Genocide, even when Ataturk was in charge, so you could say he had a hand in denying it, but that doesn't make him Hitler. More like those Japanese who after the war, refused to acknowledge the war crimes perpetrated by their army in Asia.

Ataturk's major program was the secularization and Westernization of the Turkish state. He got rid of the Caliphate, made people start dressing like Westerners in Turkey, changed the role of women and enforced a policy of Islam being controlled by the government, rather than Islam controlling the government or being part of it. His methods were forceful and he was pretty much a dictator most of the time, which has certainly colored his reputation a bit. However, he was also responsible for ordering opposition parties to come into being and ultimately his program allowed Turkey to become more or less a democracy and avoid becoming an Islamist shithole like the rest of the Middle East has.

Of course, I have no interest in living in Turkey compared to say, Western Europe or America. It's still got some serious issues that would not make me feel particularly comfortable living there. That said, if I was given a choice of living in Turkey or some other Muslim-majority state, Turkey would win hands-down.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423120)

being more like greece? I think kurdis might beg to differ. syria just happens to be a fly's shit. of course they're cracking down on dissidents - that's who people labeled now under the anonymous label are. they're dissidents, they just happen to be more like gandhi dissidents instead of hauling ak's and rpg's(and anyhow, only reason greece hasn't had a military coup in a while is that they're part of the EU). the real question is do _you_ know anything about turkey besides the tourist traps on the west coast?

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424828)

It's like Greece then Turkey thanks to Ataturk, and as time passes it moves more and more in direction of Syria. The fact that they have a large majority of conservative islamist peasants backs this up.

Remember - the party that won the current headcount known as election is the formerly forbidden hardliner islamist party. Turkish folks you see dressed in western clothes in Istanbul and tourist cities of the Western Turkey are about as against him as they can be, but there's simply not enough of them and they don't breed enough to compete with strongly conservative peasants.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (4, Funny)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422760)

it's also possible that Turkey is cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as a cover story.

A fine upstanding nation like Turkey,

Surely you jest.

Sent from my ethnic Armenian.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422796)

Since you are Armenian, you are biased.
This being said, I agree with you. (Belgian, with both Turkish and Armenian friends)
A fine and upstanding nation indeed.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422992)

No, what he meant is that his slave-boy ethnic Armenian is the one that sent post, BEEEYATCH!

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423048)

Since you are Armenian, you are biased.

Maybe the GGP is not Armenian or even European, but has left an allusion to some bad recent history of Turkey.

Sent from my Kurd.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424486)

Don't be such a hater.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (3, Insightful)

vajorie (1307049) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422970)

Nah, it's more probable that these were regular papas and mamas with virus-infested / botnetted PCs or open / wep wireless APs. According to BTK's statements, they were gonna go after folk based on their IP addresses.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (3, Interesting)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423148)

Many anons used their own net connection after someone said that the chances of getting caught using LOIC were virtually zero. The majority of anons are clueless script kiddies and LOIC is designed to be a one-click DDOS tool for them.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36425130)

Actually a few of us are having a couple lulz at this. It was clearly a set up. LOIC? Are you fucken kidding me? You have to be the biggest id10t on the webz. There is no such thing as "zero" chance of getting caught. There is always a bigger and badder cat out there. Gov't websites are the worst traps on the face of the earth. I don't even go near those and I work in offensive security.

What anon doesn't seem to understand is that their antics won't have any lasting effect. So what, you disrupted service on paypal? What in the hell does that accomplish at the end of the day other than inconveniencing millions of vendors who have nothing to do with anon's idiotic diatribes. The nativity is almost staggering. The Scientology shit is a perfect example of how anon's hypocrisy will eventually destroy them. Anon is fighting Scientology because it doesn't like what they do. Well so what? We have religious freedom in this country - and if you don't want be a scientologist... DON'T. But that "childish dislike" doesn't give anon the right to attack those people's beliefs protected under the Constitution. Ever hear of the 1st amendment anon? lulz.

Perhaps the most hilarious thing of all is they believe people take them seriously. I have no doubt that there are some real elder anons that are not to be triffled with but the vast majority are just foolish children. This incident proves that, without a doubt.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422986)

it's also possible that Turkey is cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as a cover story.

Uh, you'd need a cover story for that kind of stuff these days? Are we living on the same planet?

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423186)

Sure you do! You see the cover story fulfills two purposes, one it keeps the government from looking bad on the world stage, as you can't just say "cracking down on dissidents" without everyone thinking Tienanmen Square, and two it makes them easier to prosecute!

You see most folks look at a PC as a magic black box, it lets them chat to their friends, post pictures, but it is a strange thing and a little scary, especially with all that talk of ID theft and cyberterrorists. By sticking everyone with the Anon label, complete with that picture of the empty suit that Anon uses and the Guy Fawkes masks, it makes it even more scary to the average public so nobody will say squat when they drop them down a dark hole and forget where the hole is!

So you see friend Anon will be used the same way "suspected pedo" and "suspected terrorist" is used here in the USA. It is a one stop shop to do whatever you want to an individual as long as you are sure to stick that label on first. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised as governments can always use another bogeyman and Anon walked right into it with all the headlines they've been grabbing lately.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423008)

it's also possible that Turkey is cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as a cover story.

Or more likely the dumbasses running LOIC left their IP addresses all over a crime scene making it easy for the cops to id them and haul them off.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (2)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423190)

Or as a threat to anonymous; ie: "ok you are random people. We will just start grabbing random people every time you attack us. We get justice you end up responsible for murder. You jelly?"

This is nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423248)

It seems like ever government trying to keep its people together or trying to win another term blames something else in order to succeed. Today is no exception

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424354)

This was my first pondering as well. Did the world just adopt the "enemy combatant" strategy?

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424502)

More likely as arresting domestic anon associates is only likely to aggravate foreign anon associates into carrying out even more attacks.

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Deus.1.01 (946808) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424770)

The generals at the supreme court would have use Erodgen as a mop before that happened.(yes I know about officers that were recently on trial, my point still stands)

Re: or, Turkey cracks down on dissidents (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#36425240)

Much of anonymous ARE dissidents of one flavor or another.

A suspiciously round number. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422708)

Thirty-two? That is a suspiciously round number.

Conspiracy theorists will be happy.

Re:A suspiciously round number. (3, Funny)

JumperCable (673155) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423060)

Little did they know that Anonymous has already upgraded to a 64-bit hacktivist system. Long gone are the days of the 2-bit hacktivist.

Re:A suspiciously round number. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36425180)

RMS isn't dead yet, two bit hacktivists are going strong.

hmmmm (1)

monkyyy (1901940) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422730)

i have a hard time believing that they have enough people part of anon, to get 32 caught at once... cover story?

Re:hmmmm (3, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422816)

i have a hard time believing that they have enough people part of anon, to get 32 caught at once... cover story?

Is it so hard to believe 32 of them were dumb enough?

Re:hmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424178)

No, it's more likely that the 32 people arrested were just vocally supporting Anonymous and have really no ties to anyone who hacks.

Re:hmmmm (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424498)

actually knowing the way anon tends to work, 32 people mindlessly hitting fire lazars button on LOIC, while anyone who planned or knew what they were doing are setting up the next raid.

Re:hmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424378)

Yes. I have a hard time believing a law enforcment body would be that accurate in its action. The historical record to date shows that such a success would be a one off event. The likely-hood that THIS is that event, is absurd.

Re:hmmmm (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422904)

i have a hard time believing that they have enough people part of anon, to get 32 caught at once... cover story?

I'm pretty sure that a simple scan for LOIC packets by an ISP on the planet would find at least a couple dozen people. They did not say they were core members, or hardcore hackers, or even members. But regardless, they said "With ties to". So... parents, siblings, children, friends, bartender, people who live within a mile, you get the idea.

Re:hmmmm (3, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422994)

The Spanish arrests were simply of people who used LOIC, the DDOS tool directly from their home PC making them trivially traceable by their PC.

It's possible these arrests in Turkey are precisely the same type.

The people who have been doing the real hacks for anonymous like the HBGary hack are probably much less likely to be caught.

Re:hmmmm (2)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423124)

The people who have been doing the real hacks for anonymous like the HBGary hack are probably much less likely to be caught.

Indeed. That are people that actually know what they are doing. And if it's indeed users of some simple DDOS tool, then that also explains the fairly high number of people rounded up.

Re:hmmmm (5, Insightful)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423326)

The people who have been doing the real hacks for anonymous like the HBGary hack are probably much less likely to be caught.

Indeed. They are people that actually know what they are doing. And if it's indeed users of some simple DDOS tool, then that also explains the fairly high number of people rounded up.

And if I recall my history correctly - all revolutions required sacrifices (red herrings, expendables). That's why rallies are mass exercises - helps the long-term (committed) activists survive - so a certain amount of fools will always be tolerated and encouraged. Take a look around the world at where rebellions are daily affairs - see those kids throwing rocks and being arrested? They're part of a larger movement, they're expendable, and because they are, the authorities are tied up which makes it a lot harder to track down the real activists. Historically rebellions have deliberately sacrificed their own just to force the general population to pick a side - it's hard for Mum and Dad not to think about the issues when number one son is hooked up to the generator. Play the game long enough and sooner or later the operator of the generator will find their own family strapped to the chair.

Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists. (3, Funny)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422736)

As they called it in Office Space: Federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. No conjugal visits, either. Better beat someone up on their first day.

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (4, Funny)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423076)

Do you think a member of Anonymous would be getting a conjugal visit if he wasn't in prison?

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423450)

So basically it's free meals and sex (Hey, a bro takes what he can get.), in the county's biggest basement...?

That might actually be an improvement.

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423598)

Only from their friend Dexter Manos.

I was tired of the little Robert Anton Wilson Illuminati wanna-be's when they messed up the protests against Scientology abuses. We'd kept our noses completely clean and discredit Scientology's internet and social behavior, when suddently these spineless glory-hounds showed up and started making the Scientologists look sensible by comparison.

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424668)

>Score, 30% Overrated
HA! Touched a nerve I see

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423222)

*No conjugal visits, either. Better beat someone up on their first day.* .. if they get shipped to a federal prison it's a WIN for them. at least then they're the fuck out of turkeys officials then.

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424420)

No conjugal visits, either.

No, they still get conjugal visits. Just not from the kind of people they would prefer.

Re:Now the real "lulz" begin for those hacktivists (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424746)

Yeah because prison rape is such a lulz topic. jfc.

Equation (1)

Altanar (56809) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422788)

Let x be amount of lulz to be had.
Let y be number of arrests.
Let z be AnonCon

z = x/y

Re:Equation (3)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423132)

In that case they're lucky that at least some people have been caught. Otherwise you'd get a division by zero error.

Like the cloud... (5, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422860)

It seems people like to consider "Anonymous" to be like "the cloud". The cloud is everywhere and nowhere, boxes and fuzzy lines on a chart. It is a mystery what goes there. "Anonymous" is everyone and no one, no leaders, no members. But at the end of the day, "the cloud" ultimately resolves into individual servers with an IP address, and "Anonymous" resolves into individual people with a computer and an IP address who did or didn't do something as part of the group on any given day. DDOS once, and you were in on that attack, forever, even if it is only once. Now that "Anonymous" is attacking government institutions on a regular basis, I think life will be much more exciting for them, especially since they seem to be showing poor taste in targets.

The interesting thing is, due to the nature of their collective, they can really only admit to attacks, but can't effectively deny them. I wonder how many purely criminal organizations or foreign intelligence agencies are having their members participate as cover?

Re:Like the cloud... (2)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423020)

There generally seems to be two types of members of anonymous when it comes to this type of thing, there's those who just hope on the DDOS bandwagon from their home computer and hope the sheer number of users involved in the DDOS will protect them in an "I'm spartacus!" kind of way, then there's those who actually know how to hack.

Those getting arrested seem to be the former type, because they're easily traced from a single IP. It's these folk I believe who attacked Visa, Mastercard and so forth.

In contrast, those who actually know how to hack will proxy through a number of machines before ever connecting with their target. If they're routing through a number of systems like this, in a number of jurisdictions, then it's unlikely they'll be caught. Say they hop from their PC in the US, through a system in China, then one in Russia, one in Venezuela, one in Colombia, one in France and then hit their end target then anyone wishing to trace them will only see the French IP. This means they have to either check the logs on the French system and trace back, or hope the hacker has left some kind of clue behind. If the logs do not exist for the system, if the authorities in charge of the country which the system resides in are not interested in helping the investigation, and if the hacker has left no clues, then what exactly can be done to trace them? Even one system for which no logs are stored in a country like Venezuela which may not support say a US investigation might be enough to avoid ever being caught, but each additional hop is going to give you an additional layer of security.

Re:Like the cloud... (1)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423084)

In contrast, those who actually know how to hack will proxy through a number of machines.

That's not hacking, neither in RMS terminology nor modern media terminology. That's simply basic unix admin skills coupled with some awareness of how to setup or use proxies.

Re:Like the cloud... (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423856)

What are you on about? The hacking bit is what you do once you've proxied through to somewhere, the use of proxies just hides your true IP whilst you actually do some kind of hacking.

Re:Like the cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423662)

Do me one favor: Replace "Anonymous" in your comment with any name of another subculture. Like "skaters", "bodybuilders", "goth", or the like.
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Now check if it still makes sense.
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No? ... I thought so.
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Congratulations, you, you're truly a ignorant idiot.

Re:Like the cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424226)

Like "skaters", "bodybuilders", "goth", or the like.

Skaters, bodybuilders, goth, and the like don't depend upon mass anonymity for their participation and conduct DDOS and hack attacks. That's why it doesn't work. Oh, and the other subcultures are criminal subcultures like "Anonymous".

No more free clues for you!

Re:Like the cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424026)

Firstly, Turkey is just cracking down on dissidents, using Anonymous as an excuse.
Secondly, regarding their supposed "poor taste in targets", I have to disagree. What's wrong with attacking Sony or Turkey's government? Especially in the case of Turkey it seems to me much deserved. Let's not forget that this country has among the most anti-liberal internet policies (even richarddawkins.net has been banned in Turkey) and new legislation is set to bring it to Iran on China level.

Re:Like the cloud... (1)

Saxerman (253676) | more than 2 years ago | (#36424206)

It's far worse than that. Anyone can apply the "Anonymous" moniker to anything, and there can be no way to prove or disprove such a relationship. Because, at the end of the day, "Anonymous" resolves into exactly what it sounds like... anonymity.

Which is not to say that there aren't individuals acting collectively under the name "Anonymous" that could be identified. Merely that you can't identify someone as solely being a member. You need to tie them back to specific actions to give them a 'real' identify, such as posted on a specific forum with a given user name, or participated in a given DDoS from a given IP address.

Which becomes even more confusing when people want to attribute press releases to "Anonymous" which is analogous to saying "someone, somewhere posted this and we don't know who."

wat (5, Insightful)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422862)

I seriously doubt there are 32 members of Anonymous's inner circle tied to the hacks, much less all in Turkey. Chance are they detained /b/tards that are guilty of nothing more than posting pony threads and trolling, thinking all of Anonymous knows anything about hacking. And judging by the pics on the site, I doubt it's even legit.

Re:wat (5, Insightful)

Xybot (707278) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422920)

Pony threads must be met with the harshest of possible penalties.

Re:wat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423862)

Banishment, followed by imprisonment.

Re:wat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36425286)

Everypony equal. Everypony Loved.

Re:wat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423090)

This is why americans need to learn more about foreign countries' minorities. The Turkeys are nabbing up Kurdish dissidents.

Re:wat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424148)

No, we don't. We need to stay out of other people's business.

Re:wat (1)

matthewv789 (1803086) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423142)

Hmm, yes, did anyone else look at the pictures in the article? Did anonymous hack securityweek.com to doctor the pictures?? I wonder if the edited the article a little, too? It seems surprisingly favorable to their POV...

Re:wat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423146)

32 is just the guys they happened to have ip locations for. probably they just participated in a ddos, it would be hard to prove that they did it by choice though. but turkish officials don't really give a crap, because it's the thought that matters - you can do speech crime pretty easily in turkey by quoting encyclopedias from other countries(probably by quoting turkish published one's too).
 
  so they're building bad will against them, if the guys are pretty much like regular joe's who were protesting against the internet filters(protesting in turkey can get you dead, too).
 
  the ethnic groups of the arrested people would be interesting to know though. it is extremely unlikely that anyone who had done sophisticated hacks(a sql injection counts as one nowadays..) and had attributed the hacks to anonymous was arrested. they're probably going to try to group them into one organized terror group in court though, which is of course ridiculous and only underlines turkeys real problems.

Joey... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422868)

...Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

Identify someone in Anonymous? (4, Funny)

complete loony (663508) | more than 2 years ago | (#36422888)

Once you identify an individual member of anonymous don't they immediately cease being a member?

Re:Identify someone in Anonymous? (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423044)

Nah, that's subatomic particles. With anonymous members it's impossible to figure out where they are and how fast they're travelling at the same time.

Or maybe I have that backwards?

Re:Identify someone in Anonymous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423712)

Yes, that's how Anonymous is defined on Anonymous' Wiki "Encyclopedia Dramatica".

But look around you. Once, Slashdot was defined as the site to got to, if you wanted to be a "hacker". Recommended by hacker clubs around the world. (Yes, that's a fact. I distinctly remember the "How to become a hacker" pages from back in 1998 and before.)

And now: Slashdot -- Home of the socially-conditioned ignorant (look at the moderation behavior) backwards basement cattle. Also the number of comments are about a tenth of what they used to be. Even with much less stories than even two years ago.

Guy Fawkes mask (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36422930)

No word on the US government members who want to make owning a Guy Fawkes mask considered as proof of being a member of a criminal/terrorist organization?
I thought you'd hear about this story a lot more...

Anonymouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36423224)

My bet is that they just tracked ip addresses for anyone that has been Posting on 4CHAN... since they are all called Anonymous... Their job is done

as a turk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36424550)

i can say that you have summarized the gist of how turkish police/justice works, quite well. except the fact that they are not capable as to obtain ips from 4chan, they can have only acquired it through whomever gave it to them, probably nsa/cia whatever.

At least the author got one thing right. (1)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 2 years ago | (#36423894)

As opposed [to] cybercriminals profiting from data theft, hacktivism isn’t motivated by money. Hacktivist groups like Anonymous are motivated by revenge, politics, and a desire to humiliate victims, with profit typically not a motive.

Sounds a lot better than "Internet terrorists".

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