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EG8 Publishes Report In Noninteractive, Nonquotable Format

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the of-course-they-did dept.

Government 148

pbahra writes "You could not come up with a better illustration of the clash of cultures that was the eG8 than the post-forum report. Was the output of the two-day gathering in Paris published on a website so people could link to it? Or perhaps a blog so that people could comment on it? Or even a wiki, so the people who attended could contribute and correct mistakes? No it wasn't. The report is a book. Or rather it is an eBook. Except it isn't even an eBook, in the sense of something that you can read on your Kindle or other eBook reader. It's actually a Flash-based page turner, the sort of thing that was all the rage five years ago. It is a digital facsimile of a book. It is the triumph of design over access. Being Flash, you can't even cut and paste what is in the file. And being Flash it gives complete and total control to the authors. As a user all you get to do is to read it, in exactly the way the authors want you to. It looks good, but you can't do anything with it, except what the authors tell you to do. Metaphor anyone?"

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ATTENTION ROB MALDA! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425558)

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Please mod up! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425650)

Fucking hysterical!

Re:ATTENTION ROB MALDA! (0, Offtopic)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425690)

Well, at least you know what you like and aren't ashamed to admit it! :-p

Oh, no, not again! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426676)

You should be more careful, that's the second time [slashdot.org] you forgot your stuff in there.

The metaphor is obvious.. (0)

landofcleve (1959610) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425562)

Did Apple make the book for them?

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425580)

Its Flash. You know, the Devils Platform according to Apple. So no, they had nothing to do with it.

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (5, Funny)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425638)

The first person to boast that they can read the report on their Xoom will Win The Thread, but probably lose the war.

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (1, Funny)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425660)

It's Flash. You know, the Devils Platform according to Apple. So no, they had nothing to do with it.

But largely out of jealousy by Apple. Flash is even more of a "give us your money, then bend over and spread 'em"[*] tool than any of Apple's.

[*] Is this the metaphor being sought?

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425682)

Funny, I seem to be able to download the open source compiler for Flash directly from Adobe.

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (3, Insightful)

jc42 (318812) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425806)

Funny, I seem to be able to download the open source compiler for Flash directly from Adobe.

Hey, what are you, some sort of hacker or computer programmer or something?

Since when did they start allowing people who understand all this computer code stuff to make comments on slashdot? I'll bet you're even using the "classical" setting to read the summary (and maybe even TFA).

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425944)

Funny, I seem to be able to download the open source compiler for Flash directly from Adobe.

Yes, but that doesn't help you very much if you happen to be a user who wants to copy/paste text from these presentations. And it doesn't really help very much even if all you want to do is read the text, since it forces you into a layout that is usually sub-optimal.

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426222)

Non copy-pastable text is completely a design decision. There is nothing about the swf format that forces text to be made out of images, or turned into non-selectable "static" text.

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (1)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426624)

Funny, I seem to be able to download the open source compiler for Flash directly from Adobe.

It doesn't really matter how "open-source" the compiler is when the platform in question (Flash Player) is a black box.

Re:The metaphor is obvious.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426686)

You can extract all of the text and images using swfexport. You wouldn't need to as there is a pdf version and .

Not a Flaw (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425584)

But a feature, from the POV of the creator.

Are you still living in the squalid ghetto of the "reality-based community"?

Re:Not a Flaw (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425630)

But a feature, from the POV of the creator.

It still boggles my mind why anyone would even bother to create something that nobody can actually use. It's like they are professional sadists or something.

Oh wait, we're talking about copyright lawyers here, never mind.

Re:Not a Flaw (4, Insightful)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425870)

I have worked on page turner style flash projects before. They were requested and I built them. The recipients loved them.

And the reason they loved them is very simple. They didn't get computers and they couldn't figure out how to make other people get computers. They would never trust someone with experience in the field because these were PR people that know everything they need to know about everything.

The page turner looked like a magazine or newspaper to them. That meant they could understand it. They didn't think about things like linking or accessing them from a plethora of devices because they didn't have to do that with the printed materials they will hold onto til their last breath. It fit their limited notion of how information could be presented to audiences.

I am not saying that is what happened here. But, if there was a PR firm involved, my first guess would be they are the main reason this happened.

Re:Not a Flaw (4, Informative)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425902)

Disregard my rant. I didn't RTFA. The report is available in searchable, highlightable PDF right on the page. PDF isn't the perfect option but on my comp it is only one command away from plaintext.

Re:Not a Flaw (1)

PIBM (588930) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426404)

Well, if people actually took the time to look it over, they`d notice that there is a lot of videos embedded, and as it`s put forward, you would have had a degraded experience anyway, should you have browsed a simpler web site without flash support.. Anyway, it`s not as bad as it could have been :)

Simple solution (1)

otuz (85014) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425596)

Just take screen shots of each page and OCR them. Problem?

Re:Simple solution (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425600)

Naw, easier to hire some guys form outside the Home Depot to transcribe the document.

Re:Simple solution (1)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425832)

I think OCR recently matched the accuracy of Home Depot guys, too.

Re:Simple solution (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426386)

Yeah, but OCR won't install bathroom tile for a little extra pay.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425846)

Would the Home Depot guys get "from" wrong?

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425982)

copy and paste works fine:

The Call of History Speech by Maurice Levy,
Chairman and CEO of Publicis Groupe
Monsieur le President de la Republique; my dear friends; First, my heartfelt thanks to all of you, for coming here to be part of a
moment that I believe will be historic.
Mr. President, it is a joy and an immense honor for me to welcome you to this Forum on Internet and the Digital Economy, the first ever to precede a summit of the G8 nations. This gathering takes place at your initiative. You asked that the Internet should be placed on the agenda of the G8 summit in Deauville, which you will preside. It was your wish that the key players of the Internet and all its stakeholders should be able to express their insights here in open and unrestricted debate, and that the conclusions of their discussions should be made known to the Heads of State and government of the G8.
In other words, you wanted this Forum to take place in the same spirit in which the Internet functions: open, participative, and free. You can be sure that this will be the case.
I was particularly moved by the honor that you did in giving me the responsibility for organizing this eG8 Forum, and it is with great pride that I observe this assembly. Despite their heavy schedules and our very short lead-time, all the key players of the Internet, with few exceptions, are present among us. They have made huge efforts to shift their agendas in response to your invitation. I think I can say that all of them fully understand how important this meeting is, and the challenging task ahead of us. I won’t take the time—or take the risk—of citing every one of their names: the list is too long; and I might forget one of my friends.
8
e-g8 forum May 24-25, 2011
In our audience are represented all the components of the digital ecosystem, in all its diversity: infrastructures, manufacturers, software, telecommunications, search engines, social networks, e-merchants, content, and the start-ups of today and of tomorrow. All of them are present—even advertizing is here!—alongside representatives of the academic world and social communities, in order to debate the future of the Internet and its impact on our economies and our societies.
There have been a number of conferences about computers and about the Internet. But none was destined to nourish the debates of Heads of State. I think, then, that I can say, without a trace of an advertiser’s habitual exaggeration, that this Forum is truly historic.
It is historic, first, because in two days’ time, a summit will take place in Deauville in which the Heads of State and government of the eight major industralized countries will discuss, under your Presidency and at your initiative, a number of specific issues regarding the Internet phenomenon as it develops at a speed never before observed in human history. Historic, too, because this sector is a global phenomenon. Almost two billion people are connected to the Internet: one person in three. More than four billion have a cell-phone: two-thirds of the planet.
And as you know well, Mr. President, the digital industry abolishes frontiers, erases distinctions and creates a new paradigm in every sphere: knowledge, technology, information, creation, innovation, relationships, exchanges, commerce, economics, communication—in short, every aspect of life.
Finally, what makes these two days so special is the very nature of this Forum. It gives voice to the economic and social actors of this sector— to content creators: powerful generators of innovation, platforms or companies; to players, big and small; to inventors, trend-setters, citizen- bloggers or entrepreneurs, whether they be freshly minted or simply vigilant of that common good that is the Internet. These individuals will debate freely, exchanging points of view, laying down their own

Re:Simple solution (5, Informative)

otuz (85014) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425654)

Actually, on top of the flash, there is a picture of a floppy disk (who remembers those?). Clicking that lets you save the contents as a pdf, but you still need the flash plugin to "download" it.

Re:Simple solution (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425748)

According to the webpage of the vendor "all text is available in both flash and HTML formats" so that search engines can find it. Spoofing your browser ID to the googlebot might get you something of greater use.

Also, according to the sourcecode of the page, it does a check for mobile browsers and just drops the PDF directly on them, without trying flash(because, after all, dubiously-reflowable PDFs are far superior to HTML on tiny little screens. Spoofing a mobile browser ID should net you the PDF without the flash, in any case.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425766)

And the then downloaded PDF file is searcheable and copy/paste-able.

Re:Simple solution (5, Informative)

whtmarker (1060730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425772)

So I downloaded it, and then ran pdftotext on it. http://pastebin.com/gXqKceEZ [pastebin.com] No story here. Just a rant from Ben Rooney. He'll feel like an idiot when he realizes its just a PDF.

Re:Simple solution (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425824)

He probably already realises that it's a PDF, because he even states that iPad users see a 76-page PDF if they go to the site, as if that's somehow a bad thing. Oh no! The bad people published it in a DRM-free, ISO-specified, format with multiple independently implemented readers!

Re:Simple solution (0)

m50d (797211) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426460)

Making a better version for iFolk alone is evil, and I suspect that's what he mistook it for. I'm reminded of the BBC insisting for years that they couldn't possibly make non-DRM streams available for linux users, and then the iphone got them right away.

Re:Simple solution (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426654)

Presumablly because they assumed (or at least the engineers convinced the powers that be while knowing full well what would really happen) that by limiting the streams to iphones users would have no way to dump them to disk.

I agree it's all rather stupid though given that they broadcast the things on unencrypted DVB anyway.

Re:Simple solution (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425896)

No fun metadata in the PDF?

Re:Simple solution (1)

dieth (951868) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426294)

From the html source here's the direct link to the pdf. LINK [eg8forum.com]

Re:Simple solution (1)

plunderscratch (2169382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426338)

It is also possible to access the PDF from http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/data/document.pdf [eg8forum.com] (21MB) ...which is definitely quotable... and linkable... and on a website

hmmmm

Swing and a miss!

--- Insert 'Comment' Disk 2 to continue reading ---

Re:Simple solution (1)

sir_eccles (1235902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425662)

Easier, read it into voice recognition software. That way you can't be accused of bypassing any encryption.

Re:Simple solution (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425664)

I'd prefer to make a complex arrangement of mirrors and lenses that focus and re-orientate the view to 90 degree angles and point it towards my scanner.
That is the only acceptable way to screenshot.
It is the manliest way to screenshot.

Speedbump Security (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425666)

The point of these sorts of security systems is not to stop a determined attacker, or even to stop an attacker with a low-level of expertise. The point is to be a speedbump, to prevent people from breaking the security system just long enough for the companies to turn a profit. It is also a way to play on consumer ignorance, since most computer users do not know how to set up OCR systems and hack Flash applets.

Really, a highly knowledgeable attacker will just take a snapshot of the memory of the process and pull the text right out of there. There is nothing they can do, short of mandatory TPM use, to prevent that sort of thing (and even then, it is likely that the TPM will fall victim to some kind of attack).

Re:Speedbump Security (2)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425956)

I still don't see the point. Even ignoring the fact that there's a "save as PDF" option at the top of the Flash animation, what would be the point of preventing regular people from, say, copy&pasting from this document? It seems like one guy didn't notice the PDF option and wrote a story for the Wall Street Journal about it with an interview from someone not very knowledgeable about this system. This is why I hate journalists, as a rule: shoddy reporting is harmful and prevalent.

(Here's the PDF download link [eg8forum.com] . It's 21.2 MB (lots of pictures) which might explain why they opted for a flash book format. Also, you *can* link to specific pages. Here's page 34 [eg8forum.com] .)

Re:Simple solution (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425674)

Well, you could just reverse-engineer the container [flash-decompiler.com] . That thing is powerful and with a moderately-skilled person, it's possible to copy raw text out of the demo instead of just reading it.

Reformatting in 3...2...1... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425604)

It looks good, but you can't do anything with it ...

... except do a screen-capture and bitmap-to-pdf conversion and republish.

Re:Reformatting in 3...2...1... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425828)

Or click the download button and download the freely available PDF. Your way is good too though....

Moving away from the eG8 bashing for a moment (5, Informative)

MrWeelson (948337) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425616)

You could always click on the 'Download' button and save as a PDF document - then you can do as you want with it.

Admittedly a blog or wiki would, perhaps, be nicer to use.

Re:Moving away from the eG8 bashing for a moment (2)

McNihil (612243) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425808)

On some level I agree that it would be nicer with a wiki BUT it is nice too to have something that if official and not something that is microedited into oblivion.

Reading between the lines should still be a required skill and having those lines explicitly put in place somewhat clips the wings of future understanding of other texts.

IMHO the initial blog entry is nothing more than bloghorea to me and not worthy a front-post link-whoring post on slashdot.

And remember it could be way worse... it could have been that it actually came in hardbound book only.

Re:Moving away from the eG8 bashing for a moment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425852)

Or you can download it [eg8forum.com] directly.

Think about it (4, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425618)

If they had comments, they'd have to hire fifty people just to moderate the Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate posts, anti-NWO posts, anti-ZOG posts, anti-TACMAR posts, Black Helicopters posts, anti-globalization posts, anti-Bilderberger posts, anti-Zeta Reticulan reptoid posts, anti Trilateral Commission posts...

It should still be quotable, though. Then again, did this organization produce anything worthy of quotation?

WHAT IS EG8? (5, Insightful)

gilleain (1310105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425640)

Google tells me it is some sort of governmental meeting about the internet.

http://www.eg8forum.com/en/ [eg8forum.com]

Could the summary not have expended a sentence about this?

Re:WHAT IS EG8? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425730)

Actually, if you follow that link and look at who the particpants are you discover that it is a meeting of corporate executives (and at least one lawyer).

Re:WHAT IS EG8? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425776)

It could. It could also have explained what a blog is, or a wiki, or an eBook, or a Kindle, or Flash. Or it could do what it did, assume that things which are globally reasonably well known already need no further explaining on the basis that the handful of people who aren't familiar with the term can do as you did and Google it, rather than trying to second guess the percentage of people who may not be aware of certain reasonably well known key terms. By the way, I can't help noticing you failed to explain what "Google" is :)

Do they want discussion ? (1)

RebelWithoutAClue (578771) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425644)

I wonder if this is deliberate. Do they really want easy access and discussion on it ? After all, discussion would mean potential criticism and we can't have that, can we.

What is EG8? and why should I care? (3, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425646)

After reading the article linked in the summary and the article which that article linked to, the best I can come up with is that it is a meeting of executives from technology companies that want to have more say in the agenda of the meetings of the G-8 countries. Apparently, these executives do not understand technology well enough to release thier report in a readable electronic format.

Re:What is EG8? and why should I care? (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426430)

Apparently, these executives do not understand technology well enough to release thier report in a readable electronic format.

I followed the link and could trivially read the contents. Maybe you need to upgrade your browser to something post 1996.
 
(Hint: 'readable' means 'can be read', not 'cant be cut and pasted', not 'can be linked', etc...)

Re:What is EG8? and why should I care? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426492)

I based my comment in the article, not on trying to read the report. Since no one has answered the question as to why I should care.

It's an artistic statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425668)

How long will it take to crowd-source this into machine-readable format? This work of art is simply reminding us of the power of human effort over cold technology.

If you don't understand that then you have no artistic sense whatsoever.

PDF (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425672)

Err - the 'Download' link seems to provide access to the PDF...

Just turn off JavaScript to get plain text (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425678)

If you turn off JavaScript and load the page, you get a big Adobe ad for Flash, followed by a long bullet list of links to HTML pages of plain text. The plain text is all there, but the links to the pictures and video are not.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425698)

There's a download button. It will download a PDF of the report. Now, putting that button outside of the flash file would probably be preferable, but it's there.

http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/data/document.pdf

Summary missing link (3, Informative)

itchythebear (2198688) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425702)

You could have included a link to the actual book in question...

http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/ [eg8forum.com]

Re:Summary missing link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426440)

You could have included a link to the actual book in question...

http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/ [eg8forum.com]

You must be new here. Summaries on Slashdot aren't for providing actual information. Summaries on Slashdot are for idiotic and uninformed ranting.

itchythebear (2198688)

Ah, I see you are (and, by the way, holy crap! Slashdot user IDs are nearing the 2.2 million mark!).

Corporatocracy (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425708)

It illustrates how corporatocracy is not just a problem in the United States.

PDF available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425710)

While you guys were herpin' and derpin', I found a PDF [eg8forum.com] . For a tech site, you guys are pretty fucking un-technical.

as an old guy... (4, Funny)

RLBrown (889443) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425712)

I can only smile a little. There was a time when if a journalist wish to use a quote from a speech or a report, he or she would copy it out by hand, on notepads or (as a later terrific innovation) using a typewriter. Now, all the bloggers complain "I can't sweep my mouse/trackpad cursor over it and just copy and paste it - what shall I do, what shall I do!"

Re:as an old guy... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426286)

Um, as an old timer, yeah, I see where you are coming from. Time was, I had to turn the crank on the front of the car to get it started before hopping in to go where I wanted. Or I had to feed Old Nelly some oats before trotting off. Kids today just turn the key in the ignition and don't know how easy they have it.

Yes, it's easier now. And typing things out by hand is no big deal. But WHY ON EARTH would you prefer such a limited on-screen option if the text was already in digital form? That stupid Flash interface is like retrofitting a starter crank onto a modern car: there's no good reason for it. At least they offer a PDF version, but it's still pretty ridiculous.

Design? (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425714)

Apparently they went with "Fluidbook [fluidbook.com] ", which appears to be a French clone of Scribd, only uglier and even more pointless. As we all know, the best way to read text on screen is by using your mouse to manipulate a 3D rendering of a book... Just like the best interface for an audio player application is a painstakingly bitmap-rendered and non-resizable facsimile of a 1970s stereo.

At least they didn't disable the PDF download button, though that is a pitiful consolation.

Re:Design? (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426452)

Just like the best interface for an audio player application is a painstakingly bitmap-rendered and non-resizable facsimile of a 1970s stereo.

Wait, when did we start talking about QuickTime [mac.com] . (Yes, Apple actually made that mistake once upon a time.)

3d really? (1)

bain_online (580036) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425722)

Whats up with that 3d mode? WTF? Is this how they envision the future of internet? Prity but completely useless?

Re:3d really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425756)

Whats up with that 3d mode? WTF?
Is this how they envision the future of internet? Prity but completely useless?

Isn't that the present of most of the internet?

Re:3d really? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426012)

"Prity but completely useless" sounds to me like a good summary of a lot of web content out there.

TechEurope : Hey ! Look at the source code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425744)

Javascript :

if(isMobile()){
        window.location='data/document.pdf';
}

(

PDF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425774)

How about you clicky the button that says download in PDF?

Not completely locked up (1)

Dracos (107777) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425790)

There are Flash decompilers out there. They will either expose the text directly, or reveal any background HTTP requests that Flash makes to load the content.

Regardless, this is a damnably bone-headed move.

Inconvenient solution: OCR (1)

j33px0r (722130) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425796)

Although this does not address the fundamental problem of restricting full access to the information, products such as Abbyy Fine Reader (http://www.dcainfo.com) provide the ability to use OCR to gain access to the text.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425810)

Llooking at the page's soure code it should work just fine on a mobile web browser:

if(isMobile()){
        window.location='data/document.pdf';
}

And with that, you can also form the URI for the pdf itself so you can read it on your ebook reader or whatever you want:

http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/data/document.pdf

poooz (1)

noshellswill (598066) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425820)

What's this you say ? Po' po' little media byte-fyucks can't modify/bastardize text they did not create? Why ... what an outrage ... da po' po' lil poooz gonna go all teary-eyed -- if for arrogance they don't get kicked in the balls first. Feckin-A Euro-pussy ...

Learn 2 WGET (1)

Wrath0fb0b (302444) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425842)

Seriously editors, did you even try to click around their site? Also who said you need any sort of plugin at all?

Even more to the point, who the hell wants to read this atrocity? It's like 90% pictures.

$ wget http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/data/document.pdf [eg8forum.com] ?
--2011-06-13 12:15:12-- http://www.eg8forum.com/ebook/data/document.pdf [eg8forum.com] ?
Resolving www.eg8forum.com (www.eg8forum.com)... 4.27.18.126, 8.12.192.126, 209.84.14.126
Connecting to www.eg8forum.com (www.eg8forum.com)|4.27.18.126|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 22279675 (21M) [application/pdf]
Saving to: `document.pdf'
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There's a download PDF link which is OCR'd (1)

DavoMan (759653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425850)

Whats wrong with you lot? You can download a PDF version and its OCR'd already. I have the plaintext version of this 'ebook' already in my text editor.

Meta: Nice copy and paste on the submission (2)

devleopard (317515) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425854)

I remember when Slashdot posters would read an article, think about it, and post their own submission. This posting (and a majority on /. these days) merely copy and pasted the first few paragraphs of the article. That plagiarism, as it says "(user) said...". Hell, how do we know it isn't a bot grabbing content at this point? I see CmdrTaco approved it.. c'mon Rob..

You want a metaphor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425860)

After flipping few pages the flash plugin in chrome (mac) stopped responding and ate 100% of cpu.

If that is the future, no thanks.

Copy and Paste not a problem (1)

sir lox elroy (735636) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425868)

Apple Preview, and Document Viewed 2.32.0 for Gnome have no problem with copy and paste from the PDF document.

Quick Rundown... (3, Informative)

IonOtter (629215) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425874)

Here [eg8forum.com] is the dastardly flash file in question. Pretty straightforward? Rather nice, actually? Scrolling and enlarging is functional and intuitive? My machine is ancient, yet it handled things quite well. Naturally, it won't cross the walled garden of Apple, but I suppose we all pay our little prices for our little vices.

If you are using NoScript, you get a list of HTML files, and no pictures.

Here [eg8forum.com] is the PDF file. You can perform a copy and paste with no trouble? And if you have an impairment that prevents you from reading it, the file is accessible to your text-to-speech software.

The actual text of the files in question seems rather bland, really? There's nothing earth-shattering or unexpected, since the real meat & potatoes of each presentation was verbal, not written.

This post seems much ado about nothing.

Re:Quick Rundown... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426078)

Naturally, it won't cross the walled garden of Apple

I can read it on my Apple MacBook Pro just fine.

Re:Quick Rundown... (1)

metrometro (1092237) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426234)

Remind me why I have to download a PDF file to read text on the Internet? HTML's been working since, oh, a while now. Pretty standard stuff.

Re:Quick Rundown... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426446)

Yes, HTML works for relatively short, mostly text representations. By the same token, for almost as long as HTML, PDF has been the preferred format for long, formatted, printable documents. At 76 pages, I would say that this report qualifies.

Re:Quick Rundown... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426520)

Remind me why I have to download a PDF file through Flash to read text on the Internet?

Fixed that for you.

All in all, a non-story, though. Shit like this is the rule rather than the exception nowadays outside of more technical communities.

If only there was some way to transcribe it. (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425878)

It's dumb but you could retype this in a few hours.
You could probably set up something to screen capture and OCR it as well.

Say wha? (1)

lee1 (219161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425914)

"so people could link to it?"
You are linking to it.
"people could comment on it?"
We're commenting on it right now. If I cared, I would write an article on it on my website.
"As a user all you get to do is to read it"
If you really need to copy and paste for some reason you can download the pdf. Really, what's the problem? It's too hard to steal?

Grab images and ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425936)

So, grab the page images and run them through a character recognition package, correct mistakes in the conversion, then post the results on the net.

Re:Grab images and ... (1)

DavoMan (759653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36425992)

..or just download the pdf and copy paste into notepad.

2D/3D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36425986)

Wow, just tried the 3D format. Almost blew my mind away.

The NEC is worse (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426022)

Try reading the National Electrical Code online. First, start at the NFPA [nfpa.org] site. Then, spend a few fun minutes trying to find the link to the NEC. Then register. Then, if you're lucky, you can use "RealRead" [nfpa.org] to view the Code. As the NFPA puts it, This document is designed to be viewed online: there are no "print", "save", "cut and paste", or "search" options.

Easy Fix (1)

trum4n (982031) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426062)

Screen shot each page, OCR, post. Problem solved. This isn't content protection, is just being jerks.

PDF available and video support (1)

sirdude (578412) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426160)

As others have noted, there's a PDF download link available in the Flash reader. The site also defaults to the PDF if your browser does not support Flash. There is nothing terribly wrong about this at all unless you find fault with PDFs in general as well. I know I do. That said, the Flash ebook is sprinkled with videos as well as images. This could be one reason why they have opted to go with it.

I found the fact that I had to visit the WSJ blog to get a link to the ebook (or the EG8 site itself) more annoying than the actual subject matter :\

Mod parent up INFORMATIVE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426644)

As dreemernj said earlier, there is a PDF which for many of us is one-click away from plaintext.

The criticisms about interactively editable, in a wiki, etc. etc. still stand.

cheers...ank

Build your own comment system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426184)

As a user all you get to do is to read it, in exactly the way the authors want you to. It looks good, but you can't do anything with it, except what the authors tell you to do. Metaphor anyone?

Stop trying to enforce your vision of document distribution on everyone else. You are not the only person who matters, and being an arogent ass won't make people think they need to pander to your insane demands.

Don't like flash: Download the PDF. Took me under ten seconds to see how. Don't know how? Search the internet for the document. Too dumb to do that? Learn.

You can comment on things anywhere you want: Write a blog post. Share on Facebook/Twitter/Whatever. As a person who has no interest in wading through a bunch of uninformed drivel about the gold standard, Obama's birth certificate, or multinational corporations conspiring to give American workers butt cancer, I prefer that the comment system is somewhere far removed from the actual information, so I don't have to read it. If having a discussion on a topic isn't important enough for you to go to a reasonable venue, maybe you shouldn't expect the page creators to spend time building a custom system just for you.

Amazing (1)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426308)

It amazes me how the whole computing community, including computer scientists and programmers, are being kept hostage by a small group of people who enforce their rules upon them (not only the Microsofts, Apples and Adobes of this world, but also standardization committees such as W3C).

Just wow.

Re:Amazing (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426398)

who's a hostage?

if you want your own information, you're free to create it

Government & IT (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426362)

Just a thought, but "5 years ago" sounds about right, when has the government done anything cutting edge w technology. I object to them not using HTML text vs a flash based format, or least providing the former, but what did you expect? AJAX w/ jQuery? Also, PDF is available and there are converters for pdf to text that'll take care of the OP issue, overkill on my part to get a copy though.

Icons (1)

Bazman (4849) | more than 3 years ago | (#36426426)

I laughed at the "download" icon. All the greatest tech minds and what do they use for the download icon? A floppy disk.

it's still capable of being captured (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36426504)

Slap an OCR on the output and it's yours....

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