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EU Ministers Seek To Ban Creation of Hacking Tools

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the oh-yeah-that'll-work dept.

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alphadogg writes "Justice Ministers across Europe want to make the creation of 'hacking tools' a criminal offense, but critics have hit back at the plans, saying that they are unworkable. Ministers from all 27 countries of the European Union met on June 9 to discuss European Commission proposals for a directive on attacks against information systems. But in addition to approving the Commission's text, the ministers extended the draft to include 'the production and making available of tools for committing offenses.' This is problematic, as much legal and legitimate software could be put to criminal use by hackers. The draft mentions 'malicious software designed to create botnets or unrightfully obtained computer passwords,' but goes no further in attempting to clarify what 'tools' might be subject to criminal sanctions."

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text editors, compilers (1, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450622)

They mean text editors (as opposed to word processors), compilers, interpreters, etc. Pretty much anything with a command line.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450648)

No, what they really mean is: torrents and other p2p systems.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450956)

No, what they really mean is: torrents and other p2p systems.

Hey, don't forget nmap!

Let's work to keep IT security admins in the dark so they can't figure out what sploits are out there.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

Dayze!Confused (717774) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451074)

Or people, people are the most useful hacking tool. A lot of hacks are done with no more than either a telephone call or a friendly conversation. We should just ban people, get it over with, lock everyone up and be done with it all.

Re:text editors, compilers (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451112)

And thus you have discovered what Skynet decided about humanity and started the extermination of the human race...

DRM will be our downfall....

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

Zeek40 (1017978) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451156)

Don't worry, the government is most of the way done implementing this solution. The problem is that the prisons are full, and they can't build any more prisons because the government is broke. The only realistic solution to the problem would be to increase tax rates on the rich back to what they were pre-1980, but that could send the luxury yacht and caviar market into a tailspin.

Re:text editors, compilers (0)

Teknikal69 (1769274) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451342)

I agree

Also there is the issue that anyone who is skilled enough to hack anything major will write their own tools anyway, trying to ban software isn't going to do a thing except make systems harder to secure in the long run and more open to hackers and foreign governments alike.

Legislation like this has the potential to backfire tenfold.

Script kiddies suppliers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451270)

No, they want to put in jail people writting softwares used by sCr1pT k1Ddi3s.

One week ago, on french TV, we saw some kids using some complete script with GUI to enter a hospital WIFI.
Then the kids showed the camera the big "KILL" button to shut down the network.

Remind me the 7thSphere mIRC mod :)

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

cgeys (2240696) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450654)

While we're at it, lets outlaw hammers and cars too. They also can be used for illegal activities or even to kill someone.

Re:text editors, compilers (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451028)

I think we should have a stupid idea court for bureaucrats and politicians, and when they are found guilty, they are immediately taken out back and shot.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451508)

I see a desperate need for a stupid idea wiki [google.com.au] .

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

haxwk (2268722) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450684)

Might as well just ban paper and any form of note-taking while they're at it. We're about 27 years late anyway.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450714)

No. They mean "malicious software designed to create botnets or unrightfully obtained computer passwords." The wording is certainly vague, but that wouldn't include text editor or compilers.

Re:text editors, compilers (0)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450812)

No. They mean "malicious software designed to create botnets or unrightfully obtained computer passwords." The wording is certainly vague, but that wouldn't include text editor or compilers.

Looks like they want crackers, not hackers. The wording is vague, if 'vague' is a synonym for 'incorrect'.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450886)

...so in your world, nobody uses a text editor or a compiler to create a botnet?

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

haxwk (2268722) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451064)

It all depends on your definition of malicious. Or more accurately, a bunch of politicians', who know absolutely nil about computer science, definition of malicious.

Re:text editors, compilers (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451252)

Yes, but they're not designed to create such things. Usually.

Not that I agree with the plan.

Re:text editors, compilers (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450918)

Penetration testing is a necessary application hardening process that depends on access to the SAME TYPE OF TOOLS that black hats use to break an application. Think of it like viral inoculation: You need some of the enemy code in order to build an effective defense.

if they ban emacs, i'm all for it (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450772)

i mean, clearly, emacs is a threat to national security.

Re:if they ban emacs, i'm all for it (1)

dkf (304284) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450982)

i mean, clearly, emacs is a threat to national security.

Trouble is, they'll ban vi at the same time. Would you want to have to write code in Microsoft Word??? (Shudder)

Re:if they ban emacs, i'm all for it (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451138)

I've been saying for a long time that any code in italics should be treated as a comment, and anything in bold should be an assertion. Rather than insist that it all be indented the same like Python does, just colour your lines in the same colour as the condition or loop.

Re:if they ban emacs, i'm all for it (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451324)

Why not. Even MS Office... because then they can ban it too. Libre Office and all the like as well. ...a mass of reasoning discarded... They need to ditch IPv4 so that they can impinge a total control IPv6 on the populace.

Goddamn (1)

amalek (615708) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450634)

When will we get some politicians who have backgrounds in what they're actually working in. Zzzz

Re:Goddamn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450680)

Actually, a good way to go to sleep is to watch them speak [youtube.com] .

Re:Goddamn (0)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450780)

What makes you think they don't have backgrounds in this? They might be trying to push something more sinister through, like requiring all programmers to register with a government authority. Something like what is described here:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html [gnu.org]

Re:Goddamn (2)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451304)

like requiring all programmers to register with a government authority

Better yet, we can set up the Operating Systems so they can only run programs that have been downloaded from special App Stores! Hey! What an idea!

Don't worry... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450650)

They'd never abuse this law by using it against people using legitimate software for legitimate purposes.

Re:Don't worry... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450958)

While seeing your sarcasm in your statement. The problem goes beyond people abusing a law (AKA, I don't like person X or Group Y and I want to get them in trouble so I will sue them because they use or made some tool which may be commonly used for hacking, while their use for illegal activity is unproven). It is an issue that a tool made for hacking then gets reused as a productive tool in legal usages.

Secondly Illegal hacking (The bad kind) is well umm... Illegal, so these people wouldn't really be morally compromised to make an illegal tool to do an illegal job. It is like banning guns, then that means the only people with guns are the ones who are not afraid to break the law and obtain them, if they are unafraid to break the law then they are possible to break more laws, and with a gun they could be more effective in doing it. So all this law will do is just a sneaky way of increasing a sentence on a convicted hacker. or if found innocent of the original crime a second charge to go against them with. It is like getting 2 Ticket for going across a stop sign because 1 is for improper maintenance of your car, the second is for running a stop sign.

So only criminals will have hacking tools (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451128)

I wonder how long before they decide my keyboard is a weapon too.

Re:So only criminals will have hacking tools (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451464)

I wonder how long before they decide my keyboard is a weapon too.

You have an IBM Model M keyboard too?

Lets just make owning a computer illegal (1)

phrackwulf (589741) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450668)

Oh, wait...

Re:Lets just make owning a computer illegal (1)

Hartree (191324) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450944)

No, you'll just have to buy a computer that has lots of hardware based DRM and will only run "approved" apps and OS's.

Oh wait. We've already got some of those and people are willing to wait in long lines and pay a premium for the newest models.

Re:Lets just make owning a computer illegal (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451352)

We've already got some of those and people are willing to wait in long lines and pay a premium for the newest models.

Only a small subset of the populace is like that, however. The Rest Of Us (tm) find them amusing to observe.

Re:Lets just make owning a computer illegal (1)

idobi (820896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451100)

Banning computers would put too many companies out of business. We should just ban operating systems. That way all these other tools won't work, and we only put a handful of companies out of business... none of them from the EU.

Errrr... (1)

t20alex (1542015) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450670)

An axe?

Re:Errrr... (1)

haxwk (2268722) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450742)

I don't think axes are considered "software"

Re:Errrr... (1)

Hartree (191324) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450896)

A.X.E

Advanced Hex Editor. Definitely software.

They'd probably consider it a hacking tool, too.

Re:Errrr... (1)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451238)

Just an inquisitive question. Can good hackers read hex code? Or at least a part of it, once they have narrowed something down?

Or are there hex-to-assembly converters? I know for a fact that most hacks take place at this level, just curious about how they do it.

Re:Errrr... (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451378)

Real hackers write their code using a little wire cutter. They cut the appropriate diodes out of the array.

And to answer your second question: No, there is no such thing as a disassembler. Once the code is converted to binary, it's gone, baby, gone.

Wow, what a great way to hurt security (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450674)

Not a professional security researcher (as narrowly defined by law?) You're not allowed to possess or create tools that help find security vulnerabilities. That means you, Joe Blow who writes webapps -- you can't run attacks against your own server because the tools are illegal, and you can't build your own tools either. I guess you'll have to release that software untested in certain ways, then hope the black hats decide to follow the same laws as you.

No clue (2)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450678)

They obviously don't understand even the elementals of coding. Now if they really want to get these guys there are better ways of doing it. But trying to stop Axe murderers by taking them away from all Firemen is just retarded.

Re:No clue (2)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450754)

This is people in management positions in all levels of society. They are mentally incapable of differing to anyone smarter to them because, in their mind, they are the best and the brightest. It's not hyperbole to say that western civilisation is in crisis because of the hubris at the top (in the boardroom and in the legislatures).

Re:No clue (1)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450770)

But trying to stop Axe murderers by taking them away from all Firemen is just retarded.

good one, I have to remember that

Re:No clue (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450808)

But trying to stop Axe murderers by taking them away from all Firemen is just retarded.

Or perhaps just requiring anyone who owns an axe to register with the government? Even further, perhaps only allowing people who work for a particular agency (the fire department) to own an axe? You already see this approach taken with things like guns, and with people refusing to shut about about "cyberwarfare," it is only a matter of time before they start equating programming and debugging tools with firearms.

Re:No clue (1)

modecx (130548) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451022)

If I understand correctly, this is more analogous to banning lathes, milling machines and drill presses, since a machinist could use these things to build firearms, and any other tools needed in pursuit of that end.

Re:No clue (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451086)

Why wouldn't you want to take axe murderers away from firemen?

Re:No clue (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451240)

"is just retarded."

you now understand politicians.. ALL OF THEM are retarded. Every word out of their mouths. WE only elect the ultra rich, and for some reason all ultra rich that have political aspirations are retarded.

Re:No clue (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451338)

for some reason all ultra rich that have political aspirations are retarded.

That's easy enough to explain. If you're ultra-rich and smart, you'll spend the rest of your life on an island getting blown by native chicks. If you're ultra-rich and still human enough to feel guilty about what you've done to get that way, you'll be a philanthropist. Only the ultra-rich, sociopathic, AND stupid end up in politics.

Uhh.. (1, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450690)

How does one define "hacking tools?" Debuggers are pretty useful for hackers, as are things like netcat/socat, any of dozens of programming languages, and just about anything that lets you work at a low level. This does not even get into the legitimate uses of pen testing tools.

Oh, wait, let me guess: people will have to register with the government to use any of the above?

Re:Uhh.. (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451456)

I'm sure the EU will come up with a special agency empowered to be the only ones using said dangerous tools. You aren't anti-social, are you? Don't you trust the commissioners to do the right thing?

guns... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450706)

blah blah Guns don't kill people...

uk (-1, Offtopic)

xeon13 (2268514) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450730)

people should write dissertaion [goo.gl] on diss

So NSA's Trubulence project (0)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450748)

is illegal, under Canadian law? Wow, when can we expect the invasion?

Re:So NSA's Trubulence project (1)

Eulogistics (905277) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450934)

You mean Canada invading the US? I'm all for it; it's been a minute since we had a war on American soil.

Re:So NSA's Trubulence project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451136)

You mean Canada invading the US? I'm all for it; it's been a minute since we had a war on American soil.

Well, I guess some canucks can bring a pack of matches and burn the whitehouse twice? Here's a history lesson not to anger Canada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ety2FEHQgwM [youtube.com]

Pointless and harmful (5, Insightful)

Ptolom (2191478) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450784)

You can't just ban software. There is absolutely no practical way to stop people from sharing code, and there fucking shouldn't be. If you ban these tools, the only people seriously affected will be the white hats.

Re:Pointless and harmful (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450920)

The end game may be more sinister. The goal is not to ban software, but to make a legal requirement that people register with the government to use certain kinds of software. This is naturally a good thing for large software companies, who will face less competition from smaller organizations and open source projects. It will also give law enforcement agencies one more way to arrest people who dare to write scripts or use debuggers without the proper paperwork.

In the end, everyone except the general public will win.

They want to ban "Creation" of hacking tools (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450786)

So would evolution be ok then?

(Since most coding of such programs is more of an evolutionary thing than created in 6 days and then stays the same for over 6015 years

What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450792)

How would this help? It would only make the illegal actions more illegal while preventing good security audits, thereby making security problems worse!

Thanks to Citibank, this means NO WEB BROWSERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450804)

Thanks to the security morans at Citibank, this would mean no web browsers (since all it took was a URL bar to "hack" their site)...

Re:Thanks to Citibank, this means NO WEB BROWSERS (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451188)

Now we know why Google is removing the bar from Chrome!

No more debuggers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36450816)

No more debuggers.
No more tools to verify your own application security.
No more wget.

No more web proxies.
No more memory leak testers.
No more firewalls or routers.

No more name servers.

At least, not available to the good guys.

"Hacking Tools" (4, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450830)

They mean "hacking tools" like tor and pgp/gpg, right? Of course, first they'll come for metasploit, then nmap, then... but we all know what the end game is.

Including (but not limited to) (1)

Tei (520358) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450866)

Compilers, Dictionaries, Debuggers, Keyboards, Computers, Internet, ... and whatever revision system the kernel hackers use.

Re:Including (but not limited to) (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451072)

certainly any OS that comes from "open source" should be banned as it can modified to do bad things. Why, I happen to gentoo can even do bad things to a network right out of the box just by typing in an address already in use. Good people would never use such a system

Ok buddy.... (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450868)

Put that compiler down and step back. Slowly!

Re:Ok buddy.... (2)

haxwk (2268722) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451190)

He's going for command line! TAKE HIM OUT!!!

Re:Ok buddy.... (1)

ComputerGeek01 (1182793) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451234)

Talk about having your finger over the button. Has there ever been a time in history when politicians were more afraid of 'F9'?

The forresters are going to go nuts over this (1)

CokeJunky (51666) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450902)

No more axes! Not only do they hack at trees, they could be used to break into a co-lo.

In other words... (4, Insightful)

PoochieReds (4973) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450928)

"Let's ensure that only those willing to break the law will have access to these tools."

Re:In other words... (1)

VzXzV (755541) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451416)

Yes lats make it illegal to have access to perfectly useful tools that push development in all fields of technology and help produce real physical products. I for one have always wanted to experience the dark ages for myself. Or I don't know we could just leave it as it is and enforce the laws we have. you know the ones that basically say the illegal use of software/anything is illegal.

Well, lets see. . .. (1)

mallyn (136041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450952)

TIG welding equipment (stuff like the Miller Dynasty 200cx solid state welding power supply); can do stuff like weld locks to data center closed permanently

Screwdrivers, pliers, wrenches (can take servers apart and remove disk drives)

Drills, saws, punches (can cut holes in locked server cabinets to remove individual machines

Water jet equipment (such as those from Flow Industries; can cut holes in data center walls to get into server rooms)

Jack hammers; air hammers; diamond rock cuttings saws (can be used to cut holes in the walls of data center buildings

Bulldozers; front end loaders; heavy trucks with snowplows attached (can be used to tear off the corner of a data center building and expose sensitive servers

Trucks, trailers, trains, boats, barges, airplanes, blimps, bicycles, backpacks (can be used to carry stolen servers from broken in data centers

Your human body and mind (can be used to initiate hacks)

God (who invented all of us and gave us the ability to hack)

I'm still amazed (2)

naasking (94116) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450960)

It still amazes me how people seek legislative solutions to what are purely technical problems. Hey politicians: you're doing it wrong. If you're going to legislate something, then legislate the use of memory safe programming languages and proof carrying code. Security problems would be mostly solved, and software would have fewer bugs overall to boot.

Re:I'm still amazed (1)

merreborn (853723) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451428)

If you're going to legislate something, then legislate the use of memory safe programming languages and proof carrying code. Security problems would be mostly solved, and software would have fewer bugs overall to boot.

That'd drive up the cost of software development. People write buggy, insecure code because it's fast and cheap, and that's all the end user is willing to pay for.

If you can't catch the users... (2)

zbrook (2266600) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450964)

Can't find the people who are smart enough to download and use My First Password Cracker, but I'm sure you'll totally catch the people who were smart enough to create it.

I thought Europeans were more pragmatic (2)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450966)

Why do these bureaucrats waste people's time? Instead of focussing in things that really do damage, like pollution or financial fraud with an example of an agency that sabotaged investigations [telegraph.co.uk] , they waste time on non-issues.

Hacking can [sometimes] be good for the society at large.

For example, I would like to delete all information from one social networking site but I cannot. Hacking would be my only 'rescue'. And that's bad?

Legislative solutions to technological problems (1)

spinkham (56603) | more than 3 years ago | (#36450994)

Yes!

Lets make sure professionals can't test their own security, and only people in foreign countries can attack our infrastructure!

This is such a good idea, I wonder how nobody has thought of it multiple times every year for the past 15 years!

Tools are bad, mmmkay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451010)

Also, no lock picks, hammers, pry bars, wrenches, coat hangers, wire cutters, screwdrivers, axes, drills, flashlights, torches or fire, as they can all be used in the commission of a great number of crimes.

Of course (1)

CruelKnave (1324841) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451020)

"but [the draft] goes no further in attempting to clarify what 'tools' might be subject to criminal sanctions". Why would it? By leaving it open ended, they're free to enforce the ban whenever they feel it's fitting for them; picking and choosing any "offending" software when they feel it's warranted.

Banning hacking tools is a way to lower security (1)

Exceptica (2022320) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451026)

It's common knowledge that people and companies only do the minimum effort they can get away with so I expect systems to become weaker over time if this is enforced.

So please bring it on.

They don't get it... (1)

itchythebear (2198688) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451066)

Criminals will not be affected by this law at all, they are already breaking other laws, they aren't going to care about breaking one more. Meanwhile, people who follow procedure and legitimately need to do penetration testing on their own systems and services will be handcuffed. The result of this will be criminals tools will only get better, and "hacking" tools, used for legitimate purposes will be left in the stone age as developers have to jump through hoops just to get any security tests done.

Here is the real solution: Spend the time, money, and effort to make your shit secure, and hold people accountable who store sensitive information in a careless way. Almost anything could be considered a hacking tool, good luck enforcing that.

NMAP? proxies? ......... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451068)

oh please gimmeafsckbreak

If using them is illegal... (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451070)

and it doesn't stop their use, why would banning their possession stop them? I fail to grasp how anyone can come to the conclusion that someone intent on criminal activities would mend their ways simply because another facet of their operation is made illegal. Guns aren't the problem, network security tools aren't the problem. People are the problem. If you want to solve the problem you're going to have to ban them.

No need, just put a software whitelist in the OS (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451078)

If the Apple iOS/app store model is any indication of things to come, pretty soon PC's will be as locked down as consoles and cellphones. You won't have to worry about running any unauthorized code because the good folks at Apple, Dell, etc. will force you to get all your software through their app store.

f.u.c.k. europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451102)

retards

do not judge tools, (2)

IZN0GUD (804758) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451124)

judge deeds. it's utterly stupid and unproductive to focus onto the tools instead focusing onto the deeds.

No more MS Word (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451182)

Microsoft Word contains a macro language so I guess it'll be banned too.

New slogan! (1)

wall0645 (1665631) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451192)

Sorry if this has been thought of already...

"If hacking tools are made illegal, only criminals will have hacking tools."

EU TO BAN COMPUTERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451242)

Well, at least that would make it harder for the software patent trolls, which allegedly fund terrorism, to do their harm.

Slashdot's Quote of the Day (aka fortune) (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451246)

Today is a good day to bribe a high-ranking public official.

I for one hope they approve it! (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451286)

Just so we can time how long it takes for the entire IT Industry in the EU to collapse so completely scientists will be studying it for singularity effects.

Slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451310)

This has nothing at all in common with The Right to Read:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

He must be the the guy from the credit card ad... (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451312)

"Read My Lips: No New AXES"

Seriously. Banning the creation of 'hacking tools' will only stop the 'cybercriminals' who obey the law.

Calling LulzSec? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451320)

Calling LulzSec! LulzSec to the information booth plz!

Despite what these talking heads think, the current onslaught of Corporate intrusions and customer data exposure will do more for public and private online security policy than 10 years of Government legislation or Corporate IT restructuring. Simply put, the Government failed to recognize the threat, and Corporations didn't take the threat seriously. That is, until they had their ass handed to them.

The blackhats will drag their sorry asses into the real world, kicking and screaming along the way. Information Security IS serious business. Especially when theres money involved, and customer data to be posted.

We already have such a Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451340)

Here in Switzerland we already have such a law [admin.ch] :

Art. 144bis

Damage to data

1. Any person who without authority alters, deletes or renders unusable data that is stored or transmitted electronically or in some other similar way shall on complaint be liable to a custodial sentence not exceeding three years or to a monetary penalty.
[..]
2. Any person who manufactures, imports, markets, advertises, offers or otherwise makes accessible programs that he knows or must believe will be used for the purposes described in paragraph 1 above, or provides instructions on the manufacture of such programs shall be liable to a custodial sentence not exceeding three years or to a monetary penalty.

If the offender acts for commercial gain, a custodial sentence of from one to five years may be imposed.

The way it is written even a program like rm would be illegal. Not that the law has been applied ever since it exists (AFAIK), but it's nonetheless completely ridiculous. Note that Germany also has a similar law in place.

Security Professionals (1)

djowatts (2269380) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451376)

These tools that people use for hacking can also be used by security professionals to test the security of the network. I assume that most security companies do use them, and so these governments pushing this through the EU will have to put all of their security contractors in jail. Hackers will have a field day then, and WikiLeaks will have more information than it knows what to do with!

EU Hicksters.. they could do better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36451424)

At first i thought they should ban creationism, afterall its just another form of hacking the human mind.

But then i took things more seriously and came to the conclusion that all forms of electronic devices and a few other basic tools like screwdrivers, saw's, hamers and such should be banned, but that wasn't good for the best interest of the donations..err i mean EU citizens!

SOo... to improve our citizens well being they need to go even further and ban science and comunications altogether in any form of language be it math or traditional linguistics, these tools of piracy are the main pillar that help build hacking tools!

Oh Noe...i forgot its the human mind. Well then, lets ban humans altogether.

Im good at this, being a minister is hard work, but all we have to do is mess around with stuff we don't know anything about, and still get payed excedingly well, with all expenses covered on 5 star hotels!

Now this is a slippery slope (1)

Coisiche (2000870) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451434)

So if you successfully pull this one off, then what's next?

Companies not allowed too manufacture... weapons because they can be used maliciously... vehicles because they can be used maliciously...

Retarded idea.

And in other news of the ignorant... (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 3 years ago | (#36451466)

... EU Ministers ban the production of wire clothes hangers, screwdrivers, and hammers to stop car stereo thefts.

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