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LulzSec Offers to Take Revenge On Sega Hackers

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the enemy-of-my-enemies dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Sega Corp joins the ranks of video game companies to be hacked in recent time with one small twist, it seems LulzSec was not behind this one. They reached to Sega's official twitter account and offered to destroy the hackers that attacked them. From the article: 'In its offer to assist Sega, the Tweet from Lulz hinted that its leaders might count themselves among a small but highly loyal group of gamers who still play on the aging Dreamcast console. "Sega - contact us," Lulz said in its Tweet to the video game developer. "We want to help you destroy the hackers that attacked you. We love the Dreamcast, these people are going down."'"

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Am I the only one? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493344)

Am I the only person who thinks that LulzSec is way out of line? It appalls me how much press coverage they get, and for what, exactly? Giving a lot of hard-working people a hell of a lot more grief than they deserve? LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.

They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.

You are so fucked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493416)

They will compromise Slashdot, find your IP address, and bring out the speculum [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Am I the only one? (2)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493424)

It could end up that large organisations will have to pay lots of money to hire these sort of people and they will be only available to the highest bidder.

The rise of the cyber assassins. (2)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494136)

I seriously doubt they will hire groups like this, but I do think they will hire cyber assassins. Follow this thinking. Here you are a multi-million dollar company and you will lose millions from their attacks. Feature like Sony, being attacked for a straight month. Governments appear too slow or retarded to be of assistance.

So enter the cyber assassin, a lone wolf who can hunt them down, probably infiltrate their ranks, counter hack them, find them and assassinate them. Frankly I am shocked it hasn't happened already, a viral video of one of them being snuffed, or something to that effect to send a major chilling effect to the hacker community. They would probably assassinate plenty of script kiddies, just to set the proper example.

I would look for these types to come from Russia, they certainly have the skills to do the tracking, and as far as ruthless, I think they have that covered. They are a hungry lot there in Russia, organized crime is serious business there. I think they have all the ingredients to cook something like this up. But that is just speculation on where they might start from on my behalf.

Factor this, with as ineffective as the world's governments seem to be at dealing with this, how long will it take for these hacker groups to fuck with the wrong people? They don't fuck around with little targets either, it seems the people they fuck with have deep enough pockets to easily finance a project like that. It doesn't help with their "hahaha fuck you" attitude either. Imagine being burned by them and it cost you millions, and there they are, out there mocking you? Welcome to becoming someone life hobby to find you and kill you, you silly hackers.

I am just saying this needs nipped in the bud before it escalates into something horrifying. There world seems to be full of dumb kids that have no idea about consequences for one's actions. These people need protected from their own stupidity. A trip to Gitmo is infinitely more preferable than the Russian mob skinning and salting you in a snuff film for some pissed off CEO's listening and dancing pleasure.

Stack crap like that on top of the entertainment business's interests, rioters who use social networks to organize, wikileaks, flash robbers, etc, etc, and world governments are going clamp the fuck down hard on the Internet as we know it. Hackers will beat their security measures of course, then it will really escalate. Kiss any online privacy goodbye then. Welcome to high tech intrusive measures to monitor us even more.

In the mean time, I wouldn't want to be these hackers. It may sound cool, and get good press, but there is the devil to pay in the end.

Re:Am I the only one? (5, Insightful)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493432)

LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such.

Ah yes; Because "Anonymous" says it, it must be true.

They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.

They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.

Maybe, five years ago, because they released other people's data, I could be persuaded to agree with you. Now, we have the situation where most cracking is taking place in private. If LulzSec is taking advantage of a breach for the "Lulz" then someone else has already done the same for money, profit and crime. Clearly the hacker crackdown and all the associated arrests of people for public hacking have been counter-productive. Without people like Lulz, we would never really see how bad the security is in the various big companies. Sure, if they get caught they deserve a slap on the wrist, mostly for the stupdity of getting caught. The people who should be punished are the people running the companies they hack (a bit) and the people providing security and operating systems to those people (lots). I really don't see the point in punishing people just because they make a public noise about what they did.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493740)

Mod parent up!
While I can't condone their actions, I see them as the canary in the coal mine: If we just ignore their message, China or some other country will be the next one to do it, and they'll do a *lot* worse.

Re:Am I the only one? (5, Insightful)

Palmsie (1550787) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493440)

I actually think just the opposite. The origins of the hacker spirit have long been washed away. Lulz is exposing a lot of things people don't like to hear - that all you thought was secure was in fact not at all (SQL injections anyone?). This is especially important as end-user services move to the cloud. Innovation is a result of people like Lulz forcing otherwise complacent experts to upgrade their infrastructure. We need more people like them imho. If the people who worked for these companies were so hard working Lulz wouldn't be breaking into them on an almost daily basis. I'm glad they don't have a purpose, they don't need one either. Some men just want to watch the world burn (I couldn't resist).

Re:Am I the only one? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493574)

Bullshit. They brute-force some weak passwords, hunt down a few unpatched servers and use pre-written exploits on them. They aren't hackers, they're script kiddies from Anonymous. And no, we don't need more people like Anonymous, we need a hell of a lot less of them actually. They're a bunch of self-servient, basement-dwelling pricks. There's no skill involved in anything that they do. There's no redeeming quality to it. If they were really trying to force "otherwise complacent experts to upgrade their infrastructure" they wouldn't be releasing text files full of thousands of people's passwords from personal accounts that have nothing to do with the companies that they have an axe to grind with. You seriously think that they're trying to do the world good by, say, running a denial of service attack against the Minecraft login servers? Doing the same to Escapist Magazine because some users complained about their pointless attacks? How is that improving _anyone's_ infrastructure? The answer: it's not. As usual, they're just a bunch of tools from Anonymous doing it for the "lulz," it's in their fucking name to remind you.

Anyone who has respect for these pathetic assholes deserves to be raped in prison right along side of them.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493612)

Anyone who has respect for these pathetic assholes deserves to be raped in prison right along side of them.

*snerk* Big words coming from an AC. The biggest problem with your righteous indignation is that point right there. Last I checked, it wasn't illegal anywhere to respect anyone. It is, however, illegal to rape someone, even in prison. So basically, because someone thinks something you don't agree with, you're wishing harm, personal violation of the most intimate sort, and an illegal act on to someone. Pretty sure that makes you either in Stalin's camp, or Hitler's.

And for the record, I do respect Lulzsec for doing this shit for the reasons they've stated - for the lulz - rather than trying to hide it behind any slacktivist bullshit, or "for the good of the community" malarkey. Do I agree with what they're doing? No. But I respect their straightforward nature. They're here for a good time, not a long time.

Re:Am I the only one? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493988)

Umm...way to miss the point, /b/tard. It's also illegal to run denial of service attacks and hack websites, giving out people's login credentials and credit card numbers, all of which they've done. Nice attempt at trolling though, but you tipped your hand when you brought out the Stalin and Hitler line. Obviously you haven't been practising your trolling on 4chan long enough to be convincing.

And for the record, I hope you get ass-raped right along next to your pathetic little circle-jerk of script kiddie friends. I hope they get caught and thrown in Guantanamo to be tortured until they squeal. They deserve nothing better.

Hey, if you have a right to your opinion, I have a right to mine. You agree with what they're doing, don't try to bullshit anyone. "Straightforward nature" my ass, I'm guessing you'd change your tune if you were the one that was hacked by them.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493642)

If there is no skill in what they do then what does that say about the companies and organizations that they're compromising?

1) They're exposing weaknesses (some of which are irrelevant) in organizations and their security. Which if it takes no skill then what they hell are they paying the "security" guys for?
2)They're doing it in a highly visible and sensationalistic way.

I think they will accomplish more to getting IT security taken seriously than any other method to date has. I don't necessarily like their methods or how they choose they're targets but I think they will be quite successful at scaring the pants out of complacent or ignorant CEOs. It honestly sounds to me like you're angry that they're doing it and you aren't, either because you can't or they're doing it better.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494056)

Very transparent attempt at trolling there, "angry that they're doing it and you aren't." That's funny. Why exactly would anyone who is a functioning human being with social skills want to buy up botnets and flood a Minecraft login server for the "lulz," exactly? That's right, they wouldn't. Only an antisocial, middle-class loser with disposable income would want to do that, and that's what Lulzsec are. No, buying access to a botnet and directing it to DDoS a server doesn't require skill, it just requires money and the ability to read. Incidentally, I'd like to hear you Lulzsuck losers explain how flooding a server with a DDoS is exposing a security vulnerability, seeing as how every computer attached to the Internet is vulnerable to being flooded by purchased botnets?

It honestly sounds to me like you're just a sympathiser who has fallen for their shtick but doesn't have a fucking clue. In fact it honestly sounds to me like you were raped by your father. Hey, if we're going to make wild assumptions about people that we've never met, why not go the whole nine yards? It honestly sounds to me like you're a a frustrated pedophile who's been court-ordered to stay away from primary schools and playgrounds, how's that for you /b/tard?

Go ahead and think up some clever, witty retort, I won't be waiting to hear it. You have nothing of value to contribute, just like your pathetic and lonely Lulzsuck pals on IRC.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494030)

This recurring prison rape fantasy is telling. Want to take seat and talk about it, or would it be more comfortable to remain standing?

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493444)

Hard-working? Or incompetent and unable to run a sufficiently secure system?

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Vahokif (1292866) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493452)

...Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz"

You really don't know anything about Anonymous do you?

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493466)

LulzSec is not Anonymous

Actually, they are. Well, they were.
But they disassociated themselves from Anonymous to go after alternative goals.

They are exactly the same groups of people from Anonymous activists, just one of the more knowledgeable and daring sub-groups.

careful what you wish for (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493494)

if they charge LulzSec with 50 counts of violating various laws, then those will become precedent.

it often happens in legal history that when an unpopular defendant (like a terrorist) is put on trial, some of their rights are 'bent' or 'violated', but that precedent is then used subsequently against ordinary people.

we can see this in the Thomas Drake NSA Whistleblower case. Some of the precedents used against him by the government were set in terrorism cases like the Moussaoui case... especially precedents regarding secret evidence.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493528)

Doing something for the lulz is so much worse than doing it for money, huh?

Re:Am I the only one? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493548)

LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.

Back in the day, this sort of random discrimination and griefing the the lulz was exactly what Anonymous did, then it turned into some crusade for political causes. LulzSec is more like the Anonymous of yesterday than the Anonymous of today is.

Re:Am I the only one? (5, Interesting)

DrBoumBoum (926687) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493568)

Am I the only one to find them funny? I mean they're a change from Anonymous and their oh-so-serious "we don't forget, expect us" bullshit. Well I can't help but giggle at their seemingly random, no-head-and-tail string of attacks. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and do appear quite good at what they're doing.

They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.

Man you should chill out a bit and keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw you up the ass, not a bunch of teenagers playing some high-profile pranks.

Re:Am I the only one? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493614)

keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw

You mean the same "banker" friends of Obama (Soros, Geitner et al)? How is that "hope and change" working for you? I've seen changes, but no hope. And dude, Cheney hasn't been in office over two years, get a new horse to ride.

Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my country (4, Insightful)

vgerclover (1186893) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494010)

I find it tiresome how people think that if you criticize one person, you must love its opponent. Or how somehow attacking one opponent somehow exonerates the other one. If that's your only defense (not talking necessarily about you, although I do find the Republicans that can be seen from abroad disgusting), them being only good because the other guys did worse, you should rethink why you supported them on the first place.

Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun (0)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494380)

Liberals have been doing this for 9 years. I suddenly see that as soon as someone applies it to the opposite side of the spectrum it's OMG NOES! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

Bah fucking partisan hacks make me ill.

Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494462)

Agreed! A plague on both parties! This is the problem with US politics, the two party shuffle. Too bad the sheeple will never figure out that they are being divided and conquered. The powers behind both parties just keep picking two sides of different issues to get people fighting over so they never notice their wealth and their future are going down the drain. The same people who denounce President Obama now will, if he gets replaced with a republican, praise that one as he continues the job of ripping off the country.

Re:Am I the only one? (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494138)

Yeah, those same friends, too. Money has been perverting our political process since the origin of this country, and until we find a way to divorce the power the super wealthy people (and corporations that are now legally people thanks to the abomination that was the Citizens United ruling) our government will NEVER represent the will of the people.

I really don't care which side of the aisle you're on, if you're taking money from lobbyists, you're taking bribes.

Re:Am I the only one? (4, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494140)

Fuck off with your false equivalencies. Soros? Really? The only people who complain about him are the out-to-lunch right-wing conspiracy theorists regurgitating what they heard last week on Rush Limbaugh.

You want change? How about credit card companies no longer being allowed to charge outrageous fees to small business retailers, or change due dates with minimal notice and crank up interest rates when you miss them? How about increased regulation on derivatives and a bureau dedicated to protecting consumers from abusive lenders -- of course, your boys in red are doing absolutely everything they can to kill that one in the cradle.

And by the way, since when is two years so long that we should forget the immeasurable harm Cheney and Bush and the rest of those scumbags did? Hell, you fuckers were saying "it's in the past, forget about it" three months after Obama's inauguration, while simultaneously trying to blame the recession on Clinton. I'll tell you what, I'll forgive Bush and crew once we're done paying the price of his fuckups. So maybe in thirty years. If we're really lucky.

Re:Am I the only one? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493686)

Well I can't help but giggle at their seemingly random, no-head-and-tail string of attacks.

You have a very low threshold for comedy. If you ever watch Blackadder, make sure you were a corset.

Re:Am I the only one? (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494048)

Man you should chill out a bit and keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw you up the ass, not a bunch of teenagers playing some high-profile pranks.

No one is making any fine distinctions anymore between white hat and black hat. People don't care about the hacker's causes. They don't care if he is out for a laugh or going for the gold.

What they do care about is that he is getting in their way.

They do help @ times (NHS too) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494224)

I pointed out last time there was an article here about them, that they're an odd lot because they DO "help out" rather than harm @ times!

Case-in-Point/e.g.-> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=LulzSec+and+NHS&btnG=Search [google.com]

A specific one from that search is this one here next... & this "pertinent quote/excerpt" from said article:

http://techmento.com/2011/06/10/lulzsec-hacks-nhs/ [techmento.com]

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"LulzSec claimed that it did not mean any harm to the organization but just wanted to them a service.

As proof, LulzSec posted the administrator passwords to the NHS, and but blanked them out when it published the e-mail on Twitter."

---

* Thus, it appears these guys are not your "garden variety" hacker/cracker types online...

(Don't know IF I'd call them funny, but they sure are an "odd lot" for hacker/cracker types!)

APK

P.S.=> Sometimes, you can actually look @ these "hacker/cracker" types as not SO bad, because they do point out what needs fixing - I've even tried to "look @ the bright side" on malware makers in that point-of-view as well (not as much though).

Hey - So, in LulzSec's case, they actually have a couple proofs of it in this article here today, AND, in the past (see link above)

... apk

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494398)

Well, for a start, they're sort of... extortionists (see: the Unveillance statement). You might find that funny. I dunno.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493644)

No. I hope these idiots get taken down and world war doesn't erupt because of it. The world doesn't need these assholes fucking with it. Die lulzsec.

Re:Am I the only one? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493822)

No, you're not the only one. I also think they're total hyprocrites for deciding to go after another hacking group. Who the hell put them in charge?

I can't wait to see Lulz, the Sega hackers and more anonymous hackers get caught. Throw them all away, as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493982)

Anon was going downhill when they got in to the whole purpose thing. Better to have stuck with being the IHM. Trying to turn a bunch of people out for lulz in to moral crusaders would make as much sense as Jimbo waking up one morning and telling Wikipedia editors that they're switching to writing erotic Star Trek fan fiction.

Re:Am I the only one? (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494114)

I think Anonymous and Lulzsec are going to be our shock troops in the inevitable cyber war that will soon be breaking out. Right now they are pissing a lot of people off, but at the end of the day, the only reason they are effective at what they do is because of laziness, greed, and ignorance when it comes to internet security. It's shocking to me how many of these huge billion dollar companies are doing stupid crap like storing customer information in plaintext files. I mean, that's just ridiculous, and honestly, I'd rather people looking for lulz get a hold of that data than some scumbag Eastern European Identity Thief that is going to take out credit cards in my name and all sorts of other garbage.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494536)

Most people don't seem to understand that they don't care what you think one way or the other. They would have to think there is a line in the first place to be "way out of." They do not share your ideas of right and wrong. How you fail to understand this despite it being reiterated time and again is sort of astonishing.

Once you stop being so appalled, you may end up actually being able to understand a viewpoint other than your own. You don't have to share it, but you probably should understand it. It's a helpful skill in life, though I know understanding can feel much less viscerally satisfying than the self-righteousness that you are currently gorging on.

This hacking thing... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493348)

Is starting to get a wee bit out of control, if it hasn't already.

It's not hacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493678)

It's a bunch of script kiddies behind a virtual server in EC2 behind a VPN using purchased botnets to mess with people. Not really that hard if you put a bit of effort into it. But no, not hacking.

no gaming cred (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493356)

they hacked the parent company of id
they have no respect from a gaming standpoint

script kiddies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493358)

these guys sound like a bunch of emo script kiddies

stop playing with your pecker and dreamcast and go meet some girls

Re:script kiddies (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493412)

these guys sound like a bunch of emo script kiddies

stop playing with your pecker and dreamcast and go meet some girls

But what girls would like to meet a bunch of emo script kiddies?

Re:script kiddies (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494162)

But what girls would like to meet a bunch of emo script kiddies?

"Nunchaku skills... bowhunting skills... computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!"

they probably are girls (0)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493470)

"Times are changing. Women can do stuff now. And youre gonna have to get used to that"

Re:they probably are girls (0)

korean.ian (1264578) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494192)

"Times are changing. Women can do stuff now. And youre gonna have to get used to that"

I guess spelling, punctuation and syntax are among the things that women can't do though if the above is anything to go by.

I think LulzSec trolling. (5, Insightful)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493382)

So they attacked Bethesda, EVE, League of Legends, Minecraft, and Nintendo, but when someone attacks Sega they're all up in arms? I'm not buying it.

I think they're just trolling the media to keep their name in the headlines. And they succeeded (really, Reuters? don't you have wars you could be reporting on?).

Re:I think LulzSec trolling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493394)

Y U NO BELIEVE US!?

Re:I think LulzSec trolling. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493490)

Because, you're Joyce DeWitt.

Re:I think LulzSec trolling. (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493866)

Hey, I like brunettes, and she hasn't joined Suzanne Somers on the woo train.

Re:I think LulzSec trolling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493442)

I haven't been following them very closely, but I'm pretty sure they didn't release any sensitive information from the Nintendo and Betheda hacks due to being fans of their respective output.

'Wars journalists could be reporting on' (4, Interesting)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493484)

This is pretty off-topic, but in reference to your statement:

Really, Reuters? Don't you have wars you could be reporting on?

I can't help but wonder the same thing. But not really related to the latest lulzseclulz in any way - I mean war reporting in general.

I'm sure most of the people here who were semi-world conscious at the time can remember Christiane Amanpour reporting from Iraq and Bosnia, but also many other war reporters in those conflicts and many before them, often risking their own lives to bring reports from the battlefield, human interest stories from both sides, etc.

But now, I keep hearing every talking head in news reports saying that 'allegedly' this-and-that happened - while a video off of youtube or something plays in the background - but that these are unconfirmed reports because they have no journalists in those countries because journalists aren't allowed into them(!)

Have the news agencies lost their proverbial backbone, or have they just gotten lazy and think the youtube videos from either side in these conflicts are 'good enough'?

Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493590)

The first thing regimes like Syria do is round up the foreign journalists and either lock them up in their hotel rooms or show them the door. All those Western journalists reporting on Iraq or Afghanistan were there at the invitation, or at least the sufferance, of Western troops. Foreign journalists in places like Syria and Iran are on very short leashes at the best of times, and the minute there is the least sign of unrest they are either locked in their hotels or shown the door.

Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493754)

I can tell you're serious by how you said the same phrase twice, just with a slight variation the second time, so you're still saying the same phrase twice.

Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493656)

Have the news agencies lost their proverbial backbone, or have they just gotten lazy and think the youtube videos from either side in these conflicts are 'good enough'?

 
Neither. News agencies don't pay much for foreing journalists anymore because their corporate masters (mostly right-wing pricks like Murdoch) no longer want to invest the money. They don't care about news anymore, they care about using opinion clowns to convince people that gay is bad, illegal immigrants cause all your problems and take your jobs, lower taxes on the rich are good for the poor, etc. Half of what they do is propaganda to get their bought politicians to scuttle health care reform and kill public sector unions (private sector unions are next), and the other half of it is distracting people with meaningless bullshit to make them easier to manipulate.
 
Sorry for the rant, I took my reality pills today.

Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' (1)

ijakings (982830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493746)

The BBC still does some good war reporting. Its not as good as it used to be, but they still go into countries that they are not supposed to be in.

Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' (1)

BeaverCleaver (673164) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494254)

I'm seeing the news in .au, and there are plenty of onsite reports from war zones. Try changing your news source. If you select the Sci/Tech news in Google news, you'll probably get more sci-tech-related stuff, that's how the filters work.

But journalists love that shit. Prancing around in the Green Zone wearing a flak jacket, looking badass, protected by a bunch of real soldiers. It's nice that we can get eyewitness news from these places, but we should remember that these journalists are not draftees like the forces in Vietnam were. These journalists *want* to be in war zones. They get paid more money and when they get home from Iraq they have a pocket full of danger money and a bunch of cool stories to impress the opposite sex. I'd love to be paid to go overseas, and be given a flak jacket and an expense account. All I have to do in return is file a few videos in front of something that's on fire. Sign me up!

Re:I think LulzSec trolling. (1)

Stratoukos (1446161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493688)

I think LulzSec trolling

Stop the presses!

Re:I think LulzSec trolling. (1)

Tolkien (664315) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494454)

This is why I've been saying it would make perfect sense if adrian lame-o was indeed lulzsec as a whois report of lulzsec.com reported a while ago. He craves the spotlight at all costs, even that of putting away his "friends".

Can Lulzsec hack Slashdot already. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493402)

Maybe then we can stop hearing about them.

my captcha is "losers".

stop pumping these people up (1, Insightful)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493408)

They're not good guys. They're just making messes and making things harder on people than they need to be.

As long as you keep making them seem like a big deal, they'll keep messing with more and more sites until nearly everyone comes to regret "making a monster".

Re:stop pumping these people up (2)

quantaman (517394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493480)

They're not necessarily doing a disservice.

Right now the only other way that security issues come to the attention of the media is through public hostile hacks, and who knows how many of those go unreported. LulzSec is bringing a lot more attention to the problem of security, without many of the costs of more hostile hacks, on the whole I think that's a good thing.

Re:stop pumping these people up (1)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493570)

this, a hundred times. how many people, who used to think nothing of turning over whatever data a company asked for, are thinking a little bit about that now? there's some truly sad security practices in place where a lot of sensitive data is concerned, but nobody knew because the people who could slip through the cracks kept quiet so master wouldn't change the locks. at least with lulzsec we've got someone doling out loud public humiliation about how easy it was to sneak in through a window and rob you blind...

Re:stop pumping these people up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494108)

I would call a denial of service attack conducted through botnets that were bought and paid for a disservice, particularly when I am personally affected by it, in the case of their pointless attack on the Minecraft login servers. I would also call DDoSing Escapist Magazine because some people had the audacity to disagree with their pointless attacks a disservice. I'm guessing the only reason you _don't_ call it a disservice is because you're either a sympathizer or a member, both of which would make you a festering douchebag like the rest of them. The twisted logic that results in people like you praising them for "highlighting security issues" is astounding.

Stop Giving Censors Amunition. (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494358)

I think that's a good thing.

Many people think that LulzSec is has been infiltrated by the government to further a political agenda. Even if they haven't been, they are playing right into the hands of those who wish to eradicate anonymity from the Internet, and impose harsh censorship.

Just after I watched an online video wherein Hillary Clinton and others discussed the importance of forming America's Cyber Security Plan with International cooperation in mind I talked to my friends about this; Most all of them said, "What? Why do we need an Internet Police, this is just more big government getting into things they don't understand. Sure, make some rules for government systems, set some guidelines for security, and make sure to audit security practices of banks, but stay out of the Internet as a whole."

After LulzSec began attacking servers of some of my friends Minecraft and League of Legends games along with other game companies, and releasing thousands of email addresses for porn surfers my friend's attitudes have mostly changed.

Now when asked if we should have harsher punishments for "hacking" (read: cracking), government mandated security practices, or if penetration tools should be made illegal and require a license to own my friends have changed their mind. When asked they say, "I think this is a good thing."

Step back a moment and look at the big picture. Anonymous cracks a few servers and mostly does a weak DDoS (read: not even a RDDoS) against websites perceived to be pro censorship (DDoS doesn't have the same effect as releasing thousands of passwords, etc). If you are a pro censorship government body, you may rally your forces and point at the weakness of the systems and say to others in places of power: "You could be Next!" to get them on board with your Cyber Security plans.

However, we're forgetting the common man. How do we get them on board with this Cyber Security agenda? And then LulzSec is formed Possibly with the help of Anonymous members that were turned by the FBI or NSA? Who knows. I just find it a little too convenient that "doing it for the lulz" equates to placing the "dangers of hackers" in the face of the common man.

A good thing? I think not.

Re:stop pumping these people up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494406)

Yeah, but they don't need to publicly release thousands of emails/passwords. I'm not saying it isn't entertaining, but they could take the moral high ground. They choose not to, and that's their choice, but that choice makes it difficult for me to defend their actions. I find it laughable that after releasing all this personal info and encouraging people to wreak havoc with it that they would have the nerve to come out and say that it's for our own good, that otherwise these security holes would go unnoticed. I mean really, who actually thought the web was secure? Not anyone working in the field. What they're pointing out isn't exactly newsworthy for the guys that have been in the trenches for years.

They are getting a lot of media attention however, for better or worse.

Re:stop pumping these people up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493580)

We are now in an age where every company seems to see fit that their entire infrastructure is connected to the public Internet for some reason. What these hackers are doing is finding a way in and letting everyone know about it, with out them people would just be doing the same in private.

Re:stop pumping these people up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493584)

They're just ...... making things harder on people than they need to be.

Some would call what they're doing as free penetration testing and security auditing. Insuring job security for those who aren't getting infiltrated.

The glass exists, there's liquid in it, but any more perspective than that is best left to those holding the glass or the pitcher. The rest of us are at the next table over.

I love how people think they're "hackers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493730)

It's a bunch of script kiddies behind a virtual server in EC2 behind a VPN (and maybe TOR for twitter com) using purchased botnets to mess with people. Not hackers. You can buy botnets for a few hundred. Losers.

Re:stop pumping these people up (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494092)

...and making things harder on people than they need to be.

Your type of thinking is fueling this hacker craze. Your type is feeding them, encouraging them to stick around and grow.

Until you break out of this mindset that IT security is a cost that needs choked for increased next-quarter profits, security breaches will keep happening.

I'm sure those 'in the trenches' share your attitude, but you need to focus your anger and frustration back to where they belong...your PHB that makes your IT security decisions.
In essence, by blaming LulSec, you are 'shooting the messenger' that's telling you your security is a fucked up mess.

Well... (2)

Sinthet (2081954) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493410)

The Dreamcast was (IS!!) a pretty fucking awesome system. Though the Sega of today isn't nearly as awesome as the Sega of yesteryear.

Re:Well... (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493476)

Nice controllers and decent games, but seriously underpowered for that generation. On the other hand, the PS2 was arguably the slowest of the big three (Gamecube, Xbox, PS2) and that doesn't seem to have hurt it much.

Re:Well... (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493526)

No no no. The Dreamcast wasn't part of the GC/xbox/PS2 generation, it came out almost 2 years before the PS2 and almost 4 years before the GC. It was miles ahead of anything at the time.

Re:Well... (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493602)

The Dreamcast's early release alienated a lot of Saturn buyers who saw their console abandoned after only three years. Sega destroyed the trust, and many customers vowed never to buy sega again. That's what killed the dreamcast.

BTW wikipedia lists the DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. It was released four years after the PS1, one year ahead of PS2 and two years ahead of GC and Xbox.

Re:Well... (0)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493648)

BTW wikipedia lists the DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. It was released four years after the PS1, one year ahead of PS2 and two years ahead of GC and Xbox.

If you're going to use the failed 'appeal to authority' approach in an argument, you should at least use an 'authority', not, you know, wikipedia.

Re:Well... (1)

Jonner (189691) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493960)

BTW wikipedia lists the DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. It was released four years after the PS1, one year ahead of PS2 and two years ahead of GC and Xbox.

If you're going to use the failed 'appeal to authority' approach in an argument, you should at least use an 'authority', not, you know, wikipedia.

If you want to question the veracity of someone else's claim, do it with evidence. You don't have to rely on Wikipedia to find that in the US, Dreamcast was released in September 1999 [cnet.com] , the PlayStation 2 was released in October 2000 [cnn.com] , and Xbox [cnet.com] and GameCube [cnet.com] in November 2001.

signed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493418)

Does lulsec give out any public keys or any other way with some private key signed method, to know if every message posted by the alleged Lulzsec is really coming from lulzsec? I mean, I see a lot of posts, but I might as well be that their name is being hijacked a lot of times.

Understandable... (1)

Tasha26 (1613349) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493430)

I still have my Gamegear, apart from the damaged charger, it's fine... SEGA .

Re:Understandable... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493458)

And you really need the charger as the battery life on those things was horrible. Nice unit, but the battery life was terrible.

Re:Understandable... (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494160)

It was great, particularly with the TV tuner and the adapter for Master System cartridges. Yeah, battery life sucked, and the LCD screens of that era had far too much ghosting for fast-paced games. Columns was a pain for that reason.

Priorities.. (3, Informative)

Gi0 (773404) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493434)

Dont they have a kinda bigger problem right now? http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Re:Priorities.. (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493510)

No, if you look at the logs, it's clear that the people are either not really part of lulzsecurity or are so low level that it's tantamount to hitting a hired goon when you were after the godfather.

It sounds like they were related, albeit at a low level and easily replaceable. That being said, it does appear that somebody took offense to the apparent leaked dox.

Additionally, it looks like they screwed up some of the previous doxes and had to retract them. Not saying that it means that it's fake or fraudulent, but it does tend to lend some lack of credibility to the site. Although, it looks like an honest mistake rather than a malicious smearing of somebody that's uninvolved.

A question out of curiosity. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493436)

20 years down the road, if the members of LulzSec were to have their bank/credit card/mortgage/investment accounts compromised, would they still find it lulzy?

Re:A question out of curiosity. (2)

DrBoumBoum (926687) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493606)

Very probably, I imagine they would go something like "Well done old sport" and deal with it.

Re:A question out of curiosity. (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494110)

20 years down the road, if the members of LulzSec were to have their bank/credit card/mortgage/investment accounts compromised, would they still find it lulzy?

Given all the media attention this sort of hacking has gotten, would it be as likely to happen?

reminds me of Sopranos when Dr Melfi was raped (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493462)

she could have told Tony who did it to her.... but the writer of the show wanted to display that there was a single character in there that had some semblance of principle, so she did not tell him.

not that its in any way comparable (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493524)

im uhh. . shit i think i just dug myself a 5 foot hole

Re:not that its in any way comparable (1)

Donkey_Hotey (1433053) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493536)

Er, given the context, wouldn't that be a 6-foot hole?

Re:not that its in any way comparable (1)

TheGothicGuardian (1138155) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493948)

Perhaps he's already one foot below the ground?

LOL sarcasm (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493500)

We love the Dreamcast, these people are going down

LOL doesn't anyone else have a sarcasm detector?
If Anonymous expressed their deep manly-love of the TRS-80 Model 3 (a fine machine for its time, BTW) THEN would people get it and LOL?

Re:LOL sarcasm (1)

gnawingonfoot (2170666) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493766)

I think you underestimate the fanatical nature of us Sega nerds.

Could it be? (1)

Donkey_Hotey (1433053) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493506)

I've really started to believe that LulzSec is a PsyOp aimed at insuring that the public supports more intrusive "cyber-laws."

i hate to go all glenn beck but... (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493546)

if you look at the history of the CIA and NSA, uhm, this is not far-fetched.

Obama now has 6 non-spy espionage act charges under his belt.

3 of those (Manning, Drake, Wikileaks) also involve the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Why?

Because 1030(a)(1) of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is called 'Computer Espionage', and (a)(2) is 'exceeding authorized access' and 'obtaining information'. These are basically the same thing as the Espionage Act, but with broader language to cover more information, and more people.

The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is like a 'backdoor way' to expand the Espionage Act.

lulzsec, if it led to modifications of CFAA, well, i mean... think about it. it would be a great way to clamp down on free speech and criticism of government policy. Think about Thomas Drake's case - imagine an expanded CFAA and then imagine they had charged him with it, instead of charging him with the plain old Espionage Act. They might have been able to convict him ---- for whistleblowing on massive waste, and then giving UNCLASSIFIED information to a reporter. talk about chilling.

The CIA is directly participating in two of these non-spy Espionage Act prosecutions - the one against Kim and the one against Sterling.

now, i dont like conspiracy theories. they lack evidence and they lack proper respect for skepticism.

however. i think your train of thought cannot be ruled 'ridiculous' flat out.

Drake's misdemeanor conviction (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493560)

is actually on the CFAA (a)(2), so basically the clampdown has already started.

The most POPULAR Slashdot Topic of 2011 (1)

Ilsundal (3288) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493626)

So uhm, Slashdot, when is LulzSec getting it's own icon? Seems to be the top favorite for news these days.

Re:The most POPULAR Slashdot Topic of 2011 (2)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493942)

So uhm, Slashdot, when is LulzSec getting it's own icon? Seems to be the top favorite for news these days.

Maybe the editors figure that if LulzSec wants one, they'll just add it themselves..

I have only one word to say about this. (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493632)

Derp.

Because that's the only word that sums all this up.

--
BMO

Not going to happen (3, Informative)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493712)

If LulzSec went after the culprit on their own, then it's only their necks in the noose if they get caught (revenge or no, they're still committing a crime). But if Sega contacts them, then Sega becomes complicit, and their lawyers will probably have a thing or two to say about that.

Actually, I - don't dislike them (1)

dsinc (319470) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493876)

The outcome of their actions is something positive: the exposed will have to reinforce their security, which is really good. I couldn't say the same about "Anonymous"; I strongly dislike (and, yes, "fear") lynching mobs, real or virtual. Today they happen to wipe out of existence something or someone you don't like. Is that just(ice)? what if tomorrow they decide they don't like someone or something you like? or even YOU?

Oh, and LulzSec are not teenagers. Keep this in mind for later.

LulzDICK = feds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36493938)

LulzDICK = feds.....

1337 Vaginas (0)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 3 years ago | (#36493976)

Have any of the these guys actually seen a vagina?. If I had a mop, a doughnut and a vagina, could these guys pick the vagina out of a line up? Because the day they actually see a vagina, they're throw those 1337 haX0r skills out the window.

*plagiarized from Bobcat Goldwaith

Re:1337 Vaginas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494118)

They're throw your excellent grammar out of the window too!

Re:1337 Vaginas (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494152)

Well, they'll recognize the donut, that's for sure. And they'll probably remember seeing their parents with the mop last time they went upstairs. So I'm gonna go with yes.

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