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Building a Gary Gygax Memorial

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the die-20-in-the-sky dept.

Role Playing (Games) 136

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like approval to build a memorial to E. Gary Gygax has been granted in Lake Geneva City, Wisconsin. The Gygax Memorial Fund is still taking donations for the memorial that may begin construction as early as later this year. I (like many on Slashdot) spent many years of my youth using Gygax inspired creations as an excuse to socialize, roll dice, and eat chips at impromptu gatherings before computers intruded on the RPG realms."

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frosty piss (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494706)

I don't give a shit about gaygax or gaga or whatever the fuck this article is about.

Old saying (1)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494772)

Don't forget that gas spores look just like beholders.

Re:frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36496280)

I don't give a shit about gaygax or gaga or whatever the fuck this article is about.

Then why are you reading and commenting? Do you go to movies you don't like? Do you eat food you hate? You apparently need help.

Re:frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36498428)

Then shut the fuck and stop trollin you Anonymous assfucking Coward.!.!

Listen here you fucking taffer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494714)

The Hammerites won't put up with your bullshit. We'll apply out hammers to your balls and you'll be filled with sorrow. Fucking fucks. The Builder says you're a sack of dog shit.

It's been done before (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494750)

Re:It's been done before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495472)

I'll be sure to visit it in a few years time...oh, wait...

Dumbass.

Detailed map? (5, Funny)

charlieo88 (658362) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494804)

Will the map be on plain square graph paper or since it's outdoors, will it be on hexagonal graph paper?

Re:Detailed map? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36496850)

Will the map be on plain square graph paper or since it's outdoors, will it be on hexagonal graph paper?

Hey, Pal. You can take your Battletech hex maps, and get the hell out of here! We are trying to play D&D!

Re:Detailed map? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36497258)

It had better be detailed - I'm on the shores of Lake Geneva, Switzerland and can't find a damn thing.

It damn well better... (5, Funny)

cthellis (733202) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494824)

...be underground.
...have traps leading up to it.
...have someone narrating your way.
...involve a strength check to open the door.
...force you to roll dice constantly.

Re:It damn well better... (1)

Wolfling1 (1808594) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495192)

Or will it be a massive bronze sofa with some fat dude sitting on it sucking on a Mountain Dew? Legendary [youtube.com]

Re:It damn well better... (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495350)

Actually it'd be cool if you could level up and when you came back each time, you could learn more information about Dungeons and Dragons. Afterall if someone tries to teach you all about D&D at once, you get overwhelmed. So it'd be a natural tutoring device. Finally if you beat the final boss: Gygax as a Lich, you get to unlock a door which leads into several chambers where you can play actual D&D with some people there. Hey its hard to find a game of PNP D&D nowadays, how cool if people just came on vacation to do some gaming? Ok, I'm being an unrealistic dreamer.

Re:It damn well better... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496538)

Well, at least I'm not designing it. There'd be at least one grue involved.

Re:It damn well better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36497300)

can we not just build the tomb of horrors? i think its the way he would want it to be...

course, going will have a small chance* of certen death...

*somewhere in the region of 99.999 percent

Re:It damn well better... (1)

an unsound mind (1419599) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497504)

I think it'll just be a giant pile of books. Like every other nerd's personal memorial to him.

Re:It damn well better... (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497526)

Not to worry. Maynard, a level 8 thief, will solve the budgeting problems, and quietly disappear.

Re:It damn well better... (1)

malacandrian (2145016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497692)

It damn well better be the Tomb of Horrors [wikipedia.org] .

Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494828)

No really..who?

Re:Who? (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495284)

Gary Gygax is of the original creators of Dungeons and Dragons (the pioneering fantasy role playing game) along with many other games via his company TSR and others.

Re:Who? (0)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496548)

TSR? The same one that I wasted many hours having to find my way around, just so that I could play my computer games?

Re:Who? (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497846)

Roleplaying and computer games are not the same thing. Sure a lot of computer games and MMORPGs bill themsleves as roleplaying games but that's not the reality, since there is practically no roleplaying in them. Many people play these games and think they are getting the next generation of roleplaying - they are not, they are getting computer gaming. The two experiences are as different as chalk and cheese, although many computer games are built on roleplaying game foundations, WoW is basically the Dungeons and Dragons rules set to code.

Now I enjoy computer gaming as much as anyone else, but I recognise that the enjoyment I get from computer games is of a different variety to the experience I get from tabletop games. The amateur theatre, the sense of community, the bad accents, the ability of players to introduce completely arbitrary actions on the spur of the moment, these are all things that differentiate between the two hobbies.

Design? (2)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494830)

If the memorial isn't a 10-foot, bronze D20, I'm going to be very upset.

Re:Design? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36497462)

So long as they put it with the '20' at the bottom, and therefore with the '1' at the top. This satisfies critics, and ironic gamers alike.

Re:Design? (1)

WizardMarnok (2032762) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497626)

It should be d20 foot high and made of 1. Marble 2. Bronze 3. Mithril 4. Adamantium 5. Polyhedral Dice 6. Roll on table 17.4.11, precious metals Or; 1" high and made of lead.

Re:Design? (1)

Araneas (175181) | more than 3 years ago | (#36498750)

Giant D20 cast from dice donated by interested gamers from across the world.

Who is Gary Gygax? (-1, Flamebait)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494862)

Would it have been so hard to use the summary to reveal who Gary Gygax is? It's not like he's a famous geek like John Bardeen.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (5, Funny)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494870)

Would it have been so hard to use the summary to reveal who Gary Gygax is? It's not like he's a famous geek like John Bardeen.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask you to turn in your geek card. You... (rolls dice) ...disgust me.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495536)

Why? I know *of* D&D but did not play it. Non of my friends were into it. And those who were that I knew were into it, were 100% dicks. Also they ended up being people I did not want to sit there and argue about some pedantic rule. So I did not play. How am I supposed to know who the hell he was?

For example I know *who* Steve Jackson is. But very little about him other than he made car wars.

Do you know all of the people who made all of the lucasarts games? Did you know someone involved with MAME helped make some? No probably not. It is not something you really know or probably even care about.

I roll my dice and you are ... a ... (looks it up in my hp table)... myopic douche bag.

I understand people who were into d&d loved it. But guess what there were *MANY* other geeky things to do. For me it was programming computers and the history of videogames.

A quick link to even wikipedia would have been MORE than enough for the rest of us to figure it out.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496370)

How am I supposed to know who the hell he was?

Futurama. Duh.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#36498986)

If it wasn't for Gary Gygax, Steve Jackson would never had made Car Wars (or any of the other games he made). For that matter, Lucasarts Games would probably have never existed. D&D is the original RPG. On the other hand, the point at which you were not a geek if you were not at least familiar with the history of D&D is far enough in the past that they probably should have at least given a link to his Wikipedia page.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495682)

Would it have been so hard to use the summary to reveal who Gary Gygax is? It's not like he's a famous geek like John Bardeen.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask you to turn in your geek card. You... (rolls dice) ...disgust me.

GP should at least get a Saving Throw.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (2)

Xacid (560407) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496082)

While I semi-agree...a part of me thinks we should probably start admitting we're just getting old and haven't done our jobs in passing the torch down to the younger generations. Alienating some poor lad isn't going to help them on their epic quest. /diplomacy.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 3 years ago | (#36498362)

I agree. That hawguy .... (fails saving throw) ... makes me sick.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494972)

Nerd card revoked, get the fuck out of here.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (2)

weweedmaniii (1869418) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494974)

Would it have been so hard to use the summary to reveal who Gary Gygax is? It's not like he's a famous geek like John Bardeen.

Unless you are under 25, you must turn in your geek card...Gary Gygax was the founder of TSR, which produced the RPG Dungeons and Dragons, now owned by Wizards of the Coast.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495124)

I'm 24, never played D&D -- or any tabletop roleplaying game -- and I knew all of that....

I guess it helps that I used to read the occasional FR series. And I loved Baldur's Gate more than some girlfriends ;).

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (-1, Troll)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495146)

Would it have been so hard to use the summary to reveal who Gary Gygax is? It's not like he's a famous geek like John Bardeen.

Unless you are under 25, you must turn in your geek card...Gary Gygax was the founder of TSR, which produced the RPG Dungeons and Dragons, now owned by Wizards of the Coast.

Oh, that.

I was out having sex while my geek friends were playing D&D.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495200)

Sure you were, cool guy. Now please go away.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495306)

Sure you were, cool guy. Now please go away.

Hey, what can I say, I wasn't a traditional geek in high school, never touched a computer until I took an intro to programming class, spent more time in the gym than studying and was a Child Development major in college (which meant I was surrounded by eligible (and willing!) women). It wasn't until later that I let my true geek emerge and ended up with a Master's in Computer Science (after a short stint as a physics major). And yes, it took me a long time to graduate, but I had a lot of fun along the way! (but no D&D)

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495334)

you got pussy they got, well, they know who gary gygax is. I'll take the pussy 7 days a week.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (2)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495700)

you got pussy they got, well, they know who gary gygax is. I'll take the pussy 7 days a week.

Clearly you've never played DnD.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495204)

Oh, that.

I was out having sex while my geek friends were playing D&D.

Presumably with an image of John Bardeen.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495262)

I was out having sex AND playing D&D - you loser

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (5, Funny)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495516)

I was out having sex AND playing D&D - you loser

Sounds fun! I put on my robe and wizard hat.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (2)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497370)

That better be a crotchless robe.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496766)

>>I was out having sex while my geek friends were playing D&D.

Some of my geek friends in the area are married and have at least one kid each, so the odds are pretty good they've had sex along the way, while maintaining weekly D&D games since they were in middle school.

To each his own. I'd recommend giving it a shot, though, if you've never played it. Forget 4th edition D&D - it's for kindergarteners. Go with either 1st or 2nd edition if you want to get a feel for the game how Gygax designed it (lots of random tables for everything - want to know what sort of artwork you just looted? There's a table for that), but it can be rather arbitrarily lethal, too. I'd recommend 3rd edition really as the high point of the system. You need a few house rules to fix the broken stuff (wizards, clerics, and druids outshine all the other classes in the game past 11th level or so if you allow shapechanging magic and improved metamagic), but it's a very powerful system that really lets you turn loose your inner nerd on creating an optimized character.

Find an experienced DM who is not a dick, and you should have a great time. No computer RPGs can capture the experience of pen and paper roleplaying when you have a good group together, though the Baldur's Gate games gave it a good try.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495052)

He's the final boss of Earthbound, silly.

Re:Who is Gary Gygax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495452)

Would it have been so hard to use Google to find out who Gary Gygax is?

We can only hope (1)

infonography (566403) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494884)

That it is

a maze of twisty little passages, all alike

Re:We can only hope (1)

dwye (1127395) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495406)

That is Adventure (aka Colossal Cave), not D&D, AD&D, etc.

It should be a randomly generated maze with ridiculously fatal traps every so often. Alas, we cannot have wandering monsters (presumably surviving by eating unsuccessful visitors) in the real world.

Re:We can only hope (1)

ghmh (73679) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496006)

Don't worry - Notch is still working on minecraft. He'll get there eventually.

They should really (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494932)

Put a sphere of annihilation in the statue's mouth.

Re:They should really (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494984)

Why do you think they built CERN? What is a better stand in for a sphere of annihilation than a miniature black hole? So far it hasn't quite worked, but they have some time before this is completed.

Re:They should really (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496924)

Pfft....CERN is just a portable hole and a bag of holding.

Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memorial (0)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494944)

I may be splitting linguistic hairs here, but for my money full-fledged memorials are reserved for humanitarians or political, scientific, and military heroes. Gary Gygax may have done a lot to legitimize and expand the role-playing hobby and even the fantasy genre at large, but ultimately his work was in entertainment, albeit entertainment with legitimate and interesting anthropological/historical roots.

Maybe I have to turn in my nerd card now, but I'm no more comfortable with memorializing Gary Gygax than I am with a marble statue of John Wayne or Madonna. Prima facie, I don't see this as anything but another example of going too far in deifying celebrities and glorifying entertainment at the expense of more important things.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (3, Funny)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495094)

I'd endorse and support memorials for all 3.

Gary Gygax: For giving geeks and nerds something to do while all the popular kids were out drinking and having sex.

John Wayne: For not taking shit from anybody (his bronze statue needs to be electrified so he doesn't even take crap from pigeons).
You know, forget the memorial.... We just need to clone the Duke.

Madonna: For the "Like a Virgin" years....when she was still hot....I want to remember the hot Madonna.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495464)

We just need to clone the Duke.

It would take forever to make, and it would not be as cool as the original anyway.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (3, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496810)

John Fucking Wayne. Our family would build our own memorial to that man.

Every family reunion for as long as I can remember... there would be a fight over John Wayne. The rest of us had bettintg pools over him.

One relative was a real Macho tough SOB. The Duke? You don't insult the Duke and walk away.. you crawl away.

One relative was a flaming gay man. With conspiracy theories.

I won the pot one year by guessing how many glasses of wine and at what time the Duke would be accused of being gay and part of the grand homosexual conspiracy in Hollywood and how many minutes it would take for us to have to hold the first relative back from killing the latter relative.

We had first aid kits handy :)

Ahhh.... the memories. Thank you Duke.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (2)

abigor (540274) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495218)

People can build memorials to whomever they want. Towns can choose to commemorate notable citizens in whatever way they see fit. No offense, but honestly who cares what you feel "comfortable" with?

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (0)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495474)

They have to care what I'm comfortable with if they want my support in building memorials, or if they want me to care about the memorial once it's completed.

Other than that I'm not demanding that anyone care, except that every person has some level of influence over what is acceptable and I'm putting in my small opinion. Not to mention that contrary opinions are usually quite valuable in avoiding serious missteps, even if all they do is help the majority refine their preexisting opinion.

As for why you should care, we're here on a discussion board and there's really no point to this place if no one cares what anyone says.

And by the way, saying "no offense" doesn't decrease the offensiveness of something at all, nor would it in any way whatsoever abrogate you of responsibility for saying something highly offensive. Just don't waste the words to say it; it's a meaningless platitude.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36496938)

He was just nicely pointing out that you are an ass.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495448)

Maybe I have to turn in my nerd card now, but I'm no more comfortable with memorializing Gary Gygax than I am with a marble statue of John Wayne or Madonna.

Thinking that Gygax doesn't deserve a memorial doesn't disqualify you from geekhood any more than hating BSG and Babylon 5 would, or thinking that VB is the ultimate programming language would. Not knowing who he is (or any of the other things I mentioned) on the other hand, barring relative youth, definitely would disqualify you.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495712)

Maybe I have to turn in my nerd card now, but I'm no more comfortable with memorializing Gary Gygax than I am with a marble statue of John Wayne or Madonna. Prima facie, I don't see this as anything but another example of going too far in deifying celebrities and glorifying entertainment at the expense of more important things.

You're probably also against the Robocop statue in Detroit, aren't you? Philistine.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (2)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495824)

statue of John Wayne

You mean that famous one at the John Wayne Airport in California? Or the one of him on horseback on Wilshire Blvd, Beverly Hills? Or the one in the Cowboy Musuem? Or the one at the future $5.5m John Wayne Birthplace Museum And Learning Centre?

[statue of] Madonna.

Then never visit a catholic country.

and glorifying entertainment at the expense of more important things.

Dude, they're taking public donations. It's not like they're somehow taking statues out of the mouths of starving children in Africa. I promise you people piss their money away on stupider things than a bunch of geeks memorialising someone who did something they spent a lot of time on when they were kids.

Re:Perhaps a museum or a statue, but not a memoria (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496910)

I would have preferred a 21 Arquebus salute but my GM won't allow it.

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36494956)

There is no memorial more appropriate than the one in Dungeons and Dragons Online. Go check out Delera's graveyard

Dungeon master says no (0)

gearloos (816828) | more than 3 years ago | (#36494976)

Gary, Your turn is over. Nuf Said. Get over it, or go buy a slurpie or something.

No (1, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495042)

No. Let Hasbro build a frickin' monument. I 'paid' for it over the years by buying D&D and AD&D stuff. He was a businessman. Now that he is dead, our business is concluded.

Re:No (2)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495092)

Let's not forget that Gen Con, the only real draw to the area for geeks for many years, moved out of state back in 2002. It's not like the site is going to be a draw for people to come to the city, or that he's had any economic or social impact on it in decades.

I have to admit though, if I were passing through I would totally visit the memorial and scream 'Black Leaf is dead! Get out of here, you don't exist any more!'

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36499262)

Since Gary's death a number of former TSR employee's and Gary's family have been organizing GaryCon in his honor. As word spreads each year, the attendance keeps growing. While it will likely never match GenCon, there is now a reason for old school gaming geeks to visit Lake Geneva.

George M. Howell in his own words (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495366)

On being an admitted TROLL that stalks & harasses others here on slashdot:

(Quotes from troll gmhowell say it all)

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"I've been trolling people for 36 years. Why would I stop now? I've also never denied trolling" - by gmhowell (26755) on Sunday April 17, @05:03AM (#35846218) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35846218 [slashdot.org]

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"I never denied trolling you. And the only person I troll under the AC banner is (name withheld). - by gmhowell (26755) on Tuesday December 14 2010, @02:55AM (#34543612) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34543612 [slashdot.org]

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"I saw an opportunity to troll you" - by gmhowell (26755) on Monday December 13, @06:56PM (#34541134) Homepage Journal

FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34541134 [slashdot.org]

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"I do whatever amuses me at the moment. Sometimes that is trolling. As far as AC? I only do that to avoid undoing moderations." - by gmhowell (26755) on Wednesday April 20, @12:49AM (#35877174) Homepage

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This IS why nobody here takes you seriously, or pays you any mind, gmhowell (or should I say George M. Howell): You're a troll!

(Steer clear of that scumbag gmhowell people)

Re:George M. Howell in his own words (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496388)

Speaking of accusations of trolling... how exactly did your post get modded up +1?

Re:George M. Howell in his own words (1)

ferrisoxide.com (1935296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497960)

This whole "George M. Howell is a troll" meme is getting kinda old. Yes, he does say some odd things..but..

"Someone is trolling teh interwebs! zOMG!"

.. is not news

Re:No (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497872)

Eh its public donations, not forced taxes paying for this.

The CITY of LAKE GENEVA (in Wisconsin) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495100)

Not "Lake Geneva City"

A more profound effect than one might recall (5, Interesting)

Krishnoid (984597) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495194)

Reminds me of this old post [slashdot.org] and my small contribution [slashdot.org] to it. I had to rewind quite a bit to recognize how fundamentally D&D shaped my model of reality. It allowed kids to test the waters of having an adult level of power, responsibility, and open-ended freedom of action in what was effectively a hostile wilderness; a world with rules but where the rule of laws of nature, God, magic, and morality were called out explicitly and which overrode the rule of the law of man, in contrast to how those laws subtly-to-overtly shape the law of man in the modern world. And all in the days before computer simulations of the same.

Incidentally, it's a 503(c) organization [gygaxmemorialfund.com] -- tax-deductible in the US.

Re:A more profound effect than one might recall (1)

RobinEggs (1453925) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495510)

I'm not sure why people mention that something is tax deductible. If it's worthwhile, that should be obvious regardless of it's tax status. As for the financial aspect, a deduction isn't a serious cash value unless you're quite rich; as I understand deductions they only reduce the amount on which you owe tax, and thus return to most people not even 30% of the cash outlay on the original, deductible expense (depending on the tax brackets through which you move as you calculate your deductions). I suppose you can get satisfaction in giving 70% of the cost from your own pocket and shifting the other 30% from a random government program into something you've chosen yourself, but in raw dollars deductions don't cut a huge amount of ice for people with average incomes.

Re:A more profound effect than one might recall (3, Insightful)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495742)

I think a lot of it has to do with impressions. It sounds a lot less like an internet scam to most people if they've bothered to get the 501(c)3 approval.

Re:A more profound effect than one might recall (2)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495684)

Heh damnit sir, you made me forego my Powers of Moderation to apply.

What Gary Gygax showed was the Monty Haul effect, spelling variances intended. That terms mean that once you reach the sane limits of stimulation, you have nowhere to go but "boring".

Deadly lesson, worth its weight if you can really get it.

Re:A more profound effect than one might recall (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497888)

How so, monty haul is only one sort of gaming, usually the result of a bad GM. Hardly stimulation.

Re:Monty Haul (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36498074)

Hmm, maybe I scrambled my words a little.

I meant that it was RPG's that introduced me to the problem of what happens when the GM *is* unskilled, as in a classic pitfall to be avoided each and every campaign.

Then later, musing on it, I saw some IRL connections at the symbolic level. Monty Haul caught up with the car companies in the form of the SUV craze. SUV's are "leveled up cars". Why own some stinkin' compact when you can have your own civillian tank? Except ... other factors sent gas to $4 a gallon, and then those 35 gallon tanks weren't so much fun anymore.

Should it be a dragon in a dungeon? (1)

BatGnat (1568391) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495214)

Should it be a dragon in a dungeon?

Melt down lead figurines (0, Troll)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495268)

They should melt down all those lead figurines and then get those obsessive nerds to handpaint it with those tiny brushes.

Re:Melt down lead figurines (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36499386)

Fuck off and die in a fire.

Dave Arneson (4, Insightful)

kingmundi (54911) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495276)

I hope the memorial succeeds. I believe Gary Gygas deserves one. I also believe Dave Arneson should get one. It is often glossed over that Dave Arneson was the co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons. I have read different postings concerning the origins of Dungeons & Dragons, and many of them point to the main idea of it was created by Dave Arneson, and Gary came along and said that it could be made into a product. Then Garry spent a long time categorizing the rules and expanding them. What a great game it was!

Re:Dave Arneson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495506)

The showman usually gets the fame, but it's true that David Arneson did the heavy lifting to create both Dungeons & Dragons and the hobby/lifestyle of Role Playing games. Gygax deserves credit for his contributions, but it's a shame when true innovators like Arneson are forgotten in the process.

Hall of Fame (3, Interesting)

Phoenix666 (184391) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495560)

When I was in junior high I went to a gaming convention where I played D&D with Gary Gygax, Tracy Hickman (author of the Dragonlance series), and Larry Niven. It was the Ravenloft module that Tracy had written, so naturally he was the DM. Watching those guys spin the fable was an amazing experience I've never forgotten, and it set a bar for fantasy gaming that no computer game has ever come close to surpassing. Maybe it's because in a computer game no one ever gets into character and brings pathos to the role. Sure, the mechanics and special effects of computers are great, but nobody really gets emotionally attached to their character (beyond how much time they spend levelling up) and...the storytelling just isn't there.

All these years later I realize that that evening with Gary, Larry, and Tracy and the other players was like our generation's equivalent of hanging out with Jack Kerouac and Allan Ginsberg at the height of the Beat era.

I hope they build Gary a monument that pays proper homage all the young imaginations he fired and lives he influenced. RIP, Gary.

Re:Hall of Fame (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36496848)

All these years later I realize that that evening with Gary, Larry, and Tracy and the other players was like our generation's equivalent of hanging out with Jack Kerouac and Allan Ginsberg at the height of the Beat era.

Uhhh...no.

Re:Hall of Fame (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497904)

Bingo, nail on the head. TTRPGS and computer games are a completely different experience.

Is it just me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495572)

Or is the name Donian very Gygaxian (and thus appropriate)? "You find a gold ring with faint inscriptions - Mithranor recognizes it to be Donian of origin, although he can't read such an ancient language..."

In an inner chamber of the memorial... (3, Funny)

Rocky (56404) | more than 3 years ago | (#36495622)

...exhume his skull, embed gems into it, and put it on a table. That would really screw with those in the know.

/yes I know the Tomb of Horrors jokes are getting old.

My personal contribution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36495902)

As I live in Lake Geneva and have a rather orc-like disposition during the tourist season (or so I'm told), I'd be happy to work the odd weekend waylaying weary paladins. No saving throws for Illinoisans towing boats behind Escalades.

Saving throw versus city bureaucrats successful! (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496096)

You can build your statue now

I've lived it XD (2)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496732)

I grew up playing plenty of DnD in the 1980s.

One of the neatest things in my lifetime was when I got my first "computer-related" job in a small industrial park a few doors down from the old TSR Hobbies. They still had a sign out on the end of the road.

I don't expect anyone to be impressed by that, but I sure found it to be cool.

In accordance with his will... (2)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#36496796)

...Gary is to be reanimated into a 12 foot tall iron statue with a poisonous breath attack.

He died as he lived - immune to most magical attacks (except lightning, which acts as a Slow) and to weapons less than +3.

Gygax statue. Dodecahedral plinth plz. (1)

arthurascii (541757) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497024)

Please put his statue on a giant dodecahedral plinth

I hope... (1)

Terranex (1500465) | more than 3 years ago | (#36497570)

I hope it has a water feature with a reasonable chance to turn a sword into excalibur upon dipping.

Whats a Gary Gygax? (-1, Troll)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36498222)

Never heard of it.

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