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LulzSec Teams With Anonymous, In Operation AntiSec

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the summon-dennis-leary dept.

Security 419

c0lo writes "After a brief spat where the notorious Anonymous hacking collective sniped at Lulzsec, the 'upstart' hacking collective, for crowing about low-rent Denial of Service attacks on the CIA and 4chan websites, the two groups have apparently teamed up in operation Anti-Sec. The operation's 'top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information, including email spools and documentation. Prime targets are banks and other high-ranking establishments. If they try to censor our progress, we will obliterate the censor with cannonfire anointed with lizard blood.' We can only predict that the following will be unpredictable: store canned food and flash batteries, change your eBanking password daily."

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Inflated sense of self-importance (3, Insightful)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 3 years ago | (#36499966)

Dear Slashdot,
Don't feed the trolls.
Thanks,
Metalliqaz

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500126)

Dear Metalliqaz,

Suck a cock.

Love,
AC

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500170)

seconded

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500296)

trippled

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500382)

combo breaker!!!1

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500162)

lulz.

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500408)

Actually, given the horribly insecure things that banks do, this might not be such a bad thing. EX: when I refinanced my mortgage last, I found it was SOP to shuffle the paperwork around via plain old ass-hanging-out-for-all-to-see email.

And the password security questions can't be user-defined, and are things I know plenty of people can answer about me, and I could answer every option for many people I know.

Two different banks I know have flash installed on their employees computers.

Lulz and Anon won't have trouble hacking the banks... They'd have to put effort into not failing to hack them.

Re:Inflated sense of self-importance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500576)

Did you just fucking "sign" your post?
Oh wait, I'm feeding a troll, sorry.

Nothing to worry about, move along (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36499970)

herp derp hackers on steroids

Better Idea (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36499982)

Close your eBanking account.
Check your bank account money every day.
Keep papers signed by the bank manger when you check your bank account.

Re:Better Idea (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500396)

Don't forget to hide your kids... hide your wife... and you better hide your husband cause they leakin everybody out here...

lulz

Wait...are they threatening me now? (1)

b_dover (773956) | more than 3 years ago | (#36499986)

Wait...are they threatening me now?

Re:Wait...are they threatening me now? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500660)

this will certainly make it more difficult for you to get teepee for your bunghole.

Impact on bitcoins? (5, Funny)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | more than 3 years ago | (#36499988)

They're targeting banks and other high-ranking establishments... are my bitcoins at MtGox going to be safe?

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500090)

Your bitcoins were never and will never be safe, because the entire system is a scam.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500158)

Your bitcoins were never and will never be safe, because the entire system is a scam.

s/bitcoins/monies/

HTH!

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (3, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500342)

Y'know, I consider BitCoins pretty much just a nice idea, at this point, with plenty of problems and no real value (beyond speculation).

That said, the number of people who bother actually posting just to tell us how much they dislike them, in response to even the slightest, even humorous (in this case) mention of BTC... Just wow.

Makes me lean toward taking them a bit more seriously - No one hates on Linden dollars or even Facebook credits.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500568)

I'll second that.

I appreciate the subtlety of BitCoin's distributed implementation. I'm only curious and don't buy or trade them.

The negative hate for them here feels more like a false flag operation than genuine posts?

To all the haters.... how did bitcoins hurt you so much that you know hate them?

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (3, Funny)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500648)

To all the haters.... how did bitcoins hurt you so much that you know hate them?

By clogging up Slashdot's front page with bitcoin stories, when the space could be much better used for Packt book reviews.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (3, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500594)

The problem is that as soon as people are allowed to post things which aren't true without being challenged, over time the falsehoods come to take on an aura of truth which is then difficult to deal with. Just like how now people still believe refer to healthcare reform as "obamacare" despite the conclusive evidence and references that most of the controversial stuff was lifted from conservative candidates.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (1)

petteyg359 (1847514) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500478)

The phrase is "weren't, aren't, and never will be".

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (1)

Trentula (1684992) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500610)

The people constantly calling Bitcoin a scam are more annoying than the people who espouse Bitcoins virtues.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500098)

Yes, and so is the dirt on your front lawn. The dirt is probably worth more, though.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (5, Insightful)

tenaciousj (769989) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500118)

This will in no way affect your bitcoin collection. They will still be as big of a joke in the future as they are now.

Re:Impact on bitcoins? (2)

durrr (1316311) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500356)

But in the future they will have the enjoyable company of United States Dollars and the Euro as company.

Arguably they already do.

Misguided Intentions (5, Insightful)

what2123 (1116571) | more than 3 years ago | (#36499996)

While I am not against their intentions of trying to open up the government-corporation love affair, this will only result in the creation of stupid legislature where everyone is forced to present an ID on the internet. Of course, those that want to get around this will, the same way all ID-thieves work, steal some other persons information.

Re:Misguided Intentions (2)

halivar (535827) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500208)

It's a case of "whoever wins, we lose."

Re:Misguided Intentions (0)

ThinkWeak (958195) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500688)

Let me throw on my tinfoil hat here, but is it possible that....

The government is behind all these attacks?

dun dun dun

Re:Misguided Intentions (4, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500482)

It is an ego trip. Notice they are not targeting China or North Korea or even Israel. The reason is those and some other nations wouldn't think twice about a few accidents happening.
Yes this little ego trip will end up convincing the average voter and politico that they need to have the capital punishment for possession of packet sniffers. Books on TCP/IP will become classified and computer programers will have to show that they need to know those skills before they are allowed to own documents on APIs. All software will have to be signed and all programmers will have to be registered.
Gee thanks thanks you creeps for spoiling all the fun. Hope you like the LOLs kids.

Re:Misguided Intentions (2)

rastilin (752802) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500582)

In essence your opinion is that we shouldn't stand up for truth because there are worse people out there and the perfectly innocent government will beat the tar out of us. That's a wonderful reason to do nothing; I wonder why wikileaks exists. You should tell them your idea :D.

Re:Misguided Intentions (1)

silanea (1241518) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500642)

Why would any civilian living in what is subsumed under "the West" target either of those proposed countries? It is our own politicians who lie to us, it is our own banksters who stuff their pockets at our expense. I do not care about China, North Korea or Israel. If they want to go ballistic on us, I as an individual certainly do not have any means of significance at my disposal to do anything about it. Our politicians, on the other hand, can be made to suffer by exposing their wrongdoings, running campaigns against them and turning their voters against them. This is an enemy I can take on, and one whose downfall brings me tangible results.

Re:Misguided Intentions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500538)

"this will only result in the creation of stupid legislature where everyone is forced to present an ID on the internet. "

Alas, "stupid" legislation antedates hacking and computers by a few centuries ... legislatures have always been in the service of big business - coal, oil, railroads, highways, ... you name it ... they come first ...

Re:Misguided Intentions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500596)

Good. Maybe you stupid fucks will finally realize that government is not here for your benefit.

This is what happens when... (5, Insightful)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500000)

...one hacking group with small willies meets another hacking group with tiny penises.

Re:This is what happens when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500072)

Just makes me want to watch the TMI episode of South Park again.

Re:This is what happens when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500346)

penisi?

Focus, please (1)

shockbeton (669384) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500006)

Banks have classified "Government" information? What are these kids trying to achieve, exactly?

Re:Focus, please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500048)

They might be trying to find evidence of the payoffs, bribery & backroom deals that go on between corporations and the government.
Or maybe just doing it for fun. Either way I applaud their efforts.

Re:Focus, please (3, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500274)

I hope they have forensic accountants, because just getting a list of accounts isn't going to do squat in uncovering anything.

Re:Focus, please (3, Informative)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500490)

All they have to do is get the raw data and dump it to the internet. Crowdsourcing will do the analysis, just as has been done with all previous email and doc dropping leaks. If you drop it they will come, bored or curious persons of all skillsets.

Re:Focus, please (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500616)

If they release it somebody is going to be interested enough in it to analyze it. Whether it's a forensic accountant as a hobby or a competitor that's willling to pay for the analysis so that they can hurt their competition. But trust me, if there's information like that out there somebody will analyze it. There's always journalists looking to do an expose.

Re:Focus, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500084)

Unless this was their evil plan from the beginning! It's all about money! or... hey while we're screwing with everyone, lets make some money off this shit. Amounts to the same.

Re:Focus, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500198)

Want to find corruption? Follow the money. Simple as that.

Re:Focus, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500350)

Except that it's never as simple as MegaCorp paying $10million to PoliticianA. These idiots don't have the tools to do what the FBI and others do every day.

Re:Focus, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500216)

They're trying to get money and power...
After their hack attempts of a botnet monitoring and reporting company failed, they resorted to threats and extortion to get what they wanted and that failed as well..

The identifies of people in Lulzsec are being revealed one by one... They're the same people who did the cyberattacks by Anonymous, now running under a new group name..

They're not teaming up with Anonymous... They're recruiting innocent people from Anonymous to do their dirty work and bring them money & power..

Re:Focus, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500264)

Banks have classified "Government" information? What are these kids trying to achieve, exactly?

Attention

Re:Focus, please (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500454)

Banks have classified "Government" information? What are these kids trying to achieve, exactly?

Quick question - Why did we bail out Goldman, but not Lehman?

Totally unrelated second question - Which former CEO of Goldman Sachs "just happened" to also serve as the Secretary of the Treasury who oversaw the bank bailouts at the peak of the recession?

You want to find out who has the real power, you look at who has the money. Simple as that.

Re:Focus, please (4, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500466)

Banks have classified "Government" information? What are these kids trying to achieve, exactly?

Emails, most likely. Like the alleged Bank of America scandalous emails that WikiLeaks talked up. Remember, these days nationwide banks and Governments have a LOT in common (see: speculation, regulation, insider deals, campaign contribs, etc.)

Re:Focus, please (2)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500526)

Yes, I'd love to see a full accounting of the various bailouts, stress test results, DOJ filings related to the utter lack of documentation used to foreclose, which CEO's trade the most E-mail with the Treasury Dept, etc etc.

This is actually probably some of the most IMPORTANT to the public secrets the government is keeping. Who cares about military documents, and diplomatic cables, this is the stuff of why we evolved in the first place.

1 child dies every 5 summer days in portable pools (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500070)

A child dies every five days in portable pools during warm-weather months, according to a new study.

Re:1 child dies every 5 summer days in portable po (1, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500108)

Should just ban children. Problem solved.

Re:1 child dies every 5 summer days in portable po (1)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500670)

Or water.

BTW, could I have what's left of those puppies? We're having a BBQ this weekend, and I'm a bit short on cash...

They're scared cause they got doxed... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500086)

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/

Re:They're scared cause they got doxed... (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500544)

I read it and it doesn't really make sense.

They got exposed, so now they're going after even more high profile targets which would net them even more jail time? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Re:They're scared cause they got doxed... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500686)

If you look at the site, they've had to retract some of the dox. That doesn't necessarily mean that the ones they've allegedly forwarded to the FBI aren't good, but it does make one somewhat suspicious as to whether or not they really have the goods.

Wait... wut? (3, Insightful)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500106)

Top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information, including email spools and documentation. Prime targets are banks and other high-ranking establishments

Soo... Do they think that various governments are keeping their email at the bank?? Or have they swallowed that stupid "The government is run by the banks!" argument? Are they gonna go after "Da Joooos" next?

Meh, sounds like Lulzsec is just graduating from general annoyance to genuine criminality and using pseudo-political cover from some Anons to try and hide it.

Re:Wait... wut? (1)

jmottram08 (1886654) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500220)

I think they swallowed the whole "The Fed is run by the government" bit. . . which is more true than not.

Re:Wait... wut? (1)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500316)

Ok, but "The Fed" is a specific institution, not "banks" in general. To think otherwise is a profound misunderstanding of the relationship these entities share with The Fed.

So again, no reason to be attacking random banks, unless they are actually after money rather than a political result.

Re:Wait... wut? (1)

jmottram08 (1886654) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500514)

Banks are at best semi-public. Yeah, your local small bank is more private than public, but at this point the big boys are so closely tied to the govt than something like Walmart is.

Yeah, i agree that banks are questionable if you want government targets, but so are the government contractors they have gone after in the past.

Re:Wait... wut? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500378)

"graduating from general annoyance to genuine criminality and using pseudo-political cover from some Anons to try and hide it."

You are absolutely correct.. The leader of LulzSec runs botnets.. His second hand man is a guy who demands payment for hacking... They're recruiting innocent anonymous people under the guide of "hacking banks to get to the truth", but the leaders of LulzSec are really after power and money.. They need more people to help..

LulzSec not only exploits the companys that they go after, but they also exploit PEOPLE. I feel sorry for people like Topiary and others who were just innocent people and now will spend a good part of their lives behind bars.

Juppys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500110)

They are the puppets of apple, they all have iphones and attack sites that compete with apple. Why they attack sony and not apple? The biggest threat for free internet is apple, but they are brainwashed by steve jobs. They say no to free internet.

*takes out popcorn* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500114)

This should be fun.

Crow all you want about how "now congress etc. will start passing stupid laws that do nothing but pressure the ordinary citizen", you elected those idiots, now suck it up or revolt against it.

Goodness forbid you'd have to get off your ass and actively participate in society.

Re:*takes out popcorn* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500288)

For every 10,000th innocent that has to take out life-time credit alert protection (itself a scam, but now made necessary) my support for lopsided legislation of 25-life for hacking, even if it means armed robbery convicts have to go free to make room for them, grows.

Re:*takes out popcorn* (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500312)

Revolt against it by supporting a bunch of hooligans who most definitely do not have your best interests at heart? At least a Congressman has to run for office. Who gets to choose who these twerps are?

Ignore the script kiddies (3, Insightful)

Bloodwine77 (913355) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500130)

I am getting tired of hearing about Anonymous and LulzSec.

While I do want a more transparent government, I am also to the point I want these script kiddies hoisted on their own petards before they do enough damage to cause more draconian laws and measures to be enacted by a knee-jerk (or carefully scheming, depending on your tinfoil hat) government.

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (1, Insightful)

pitdingo (649676) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500292)

So it is their fault you voted for a totally corrupt out of control government who tramples on your rights daily in the name of "security"? Perhaps you should vote for someone who will actually uphold the US Constitution?

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (2)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500516)

You're under the assumption that voting actually matters and isn't just a massive farce designed to keep the masses quelled.

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500546)

So it is their fault you voted for a totally corrupt out of control government who tramples on your rights daily in the name of "security"? Perhaps you should vote for someone who will actually uphold the US Constitution?

Because in the US, we have a choice between people who will ignore the constitution to build their utopian socialist welfare state, and people who will ignore the constitution to build their Christian-Industrial heaven-on-Earth.

I'd say showing support for the likes of LulzSec by publicly cheering them on comes about as close as most people can get to really voting for "none of the above".

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500384)

So...you want them punished for their [admittedly] unlawful punish? In a manner harsh enough to be cruel or unusual?

Not trying to put words in your mouth... although I am trying to rephrase what you said into...my words which I hope are equivalent.

If you want a more open government, the first step is to STOP LETTING THEM BROWBEAT PEOPLE (innocent OR guilty)--Really. If you're going to have justice--EVER--there need to be consequences when there's injustice. That means these people need to be punished for their 1/1000 share in a crime. And it means the people that pass unconstitutional laws, for which there is no punishment...need...to be...punished. And being they're in the senate, they really have at least a 1/100 share...

The damage they cause--while real--is sadly mostly immaterial. I don't have a right to bust into your house to show you you have a bad door... But if your "house" is fort knox/public property, and you're busy telling the world it has the best security in the planet... which I can defeat with the electronic equivalent of a bic cap. Well... I still broke in. But if I'm on the jury/other side, there will be at least one not guilty...period--because the crime was justified and in the greater interest of the public. National security, jobs, stock price, consumer confidence or whatever be damned.

You want rule of law, then start acting with civic responsibility before you throw the recklessly crushing hammer of law at others.

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (1, Insightful)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500386)

Mop Up Please! The way these guys are acting it's almost as if they WANT the thunder to come down. If I was more of a conspiracy theorist I'd say the government is using these guys to get the laws passed. It seems crazy until you think about it, much like PETA being funded by meat producers.

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500520)

Did Anonymous and Lulz meet here ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/16/bilderberg-2011-tipping-point

"Speaking of personality disorders – when Peter Mandelson, who pushed through the digital economy bill, sits down with Keith Alexander – the director of the NSA and head of United States Cyber Command to discuss "Social Networks: Connectivity and Security Issues" you can be pretty sure they aren't hammering out how best to preserve the freedom of the internet.

Add a liberal sprinkling of cyber power in the form of Mark Hughes (Facebook), Eric Schmidt (Google) and Craig Mundie (Microsoft) and you have the perfect formula for a lock-down. Let's hope Neelie Kroes, the European commissioner for digital agenda, got to push her "No Disconnect Strategy". I'd pay good money to have heard the head of the NSA's views on that one."

Re:Ignore the script kiddies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500628)

Fuck you. I'm getting tired of pussies like you. Go back to sleep

Lizard blood? (2)

DemonGenius (2247652) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500132)

If they try to censor our progress, we will obliterate the censor with cannonfire anointed with lizard blood.

I guess this is the media corps opportunity to finally test out the potency of Charlie Sheen's tiger blood in retaliation.

Re:Lizard blood? (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500496)

I prefer snake blood in my vodka, damnit!

Re:Lizard blood? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500508)

Watch out for a run on pet stores. Price of lizards is going to skyrocket.

If they actually accomplish this impact (1)

EQ (28372) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500134)

... then they are dead. Government and other types will come down on them like a ton of bricks. Recall that only a week ago they used a SWAT team on defaulted student loan - what do you think they will do with these losers if they do disrupt important government and economic activity? They will possibly be shot dead if they do this. But that's nto the worst part: they will be giving the government all the excuses they need to take tight control of the internet, destroying net anonymity and controlling access. Damned fools. If anyone knows anyone that is in Anonymous or Lulzsec and who is planning to take part in activities, do us all a favor - beat them in the head with a shovel until they change their mind.

Re:If they actually accomplish this impact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500332)

Recall that only a week ago they used a SWAT team on defaulted student loan

Well, the idiot media reported it that way, but you heard it on the interoobs, so it must be true!!!!1!

The raid was conducted on a warrant based on financial aid *fraud*.

But you keep opening wide and happily swallowing that bad journalism smegma, and then making an idiot of yourself in public web sites.

Re:If they actually accomplish this impact (2)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500572)

Still... that requires SWAT? A group specially trained for hostile situations to be used as last resort? Are the fraudsters going to throw sharp pointy money at the officers?

SWAT team on defaulted student loan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500644)

"Recall that only a week ago they used a SWAT team on defaulted student loan"

"Well, the idiot media reported it that way, but you heard it on the interoobs, so it must be true!!!!1!"

"More On Dept. Of Education Search Warrant Executed [typepad.com] At Kenneth Wright's Stockton Home"

link [miamiherald.com]

Re:If they actually accomplish this impact (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500468)

SWAT was used because of a search warrant issued for a CRIMINAL investigation, not a defaulted loan.

Re:If they actually accomplish this impact (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500654)

Recall that only a week ago they used a SWAT team on defaulted student loan

I don't know what incident you are referencing but if any part of that is true, its outrageous on many many levels.

If anyone knows anyone that is in Anonymous or Lulzsec and who is planning to take part in activities, do us all a favor - beat them in the head with a shovel until they change their mind.
Reply to This

Is that doing us a favor, maybe this is the sort of thing that start a revolution. Which if SWAT teams are being used for debt collection, I might be supportive of.

Good (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500156)

I like this version of government transparency better. Not only is it quicker but it certainly makes for better reads and watching than CSPAN!

So, kinda like LOD vs. MOD (1)

axl917 (1542205) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500184)

but without the cool t-shirt?

Consequence will never be the same... (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500214)

From TFA:

Top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information, including email spools and documentation.

I can't help but think that this is exactly what I would do if I were a once hacktivist turned undercover government agent trying to further the polictical agenda of censorship.

Around the same time that the US declares they will create a Cyber-Security strategy, (they already have cyber-attack force NSA, and professional espionage agencies as well) LulzSec is formed from those who cracked HBGary... Soon "the lulz" dictates that the common man (young and old) become witness to the threats of hacking (via attacks against porn and game servers).

Now, we have LulzSec requesting the assistance of everyone (including Anonymous -- though they have not confirmed their participation), to directly attack all governments while their are Internet censorship and cyber security bills afoot. It seems to me just the sort of disinformation and FUD campaign I would perform if I wanted to give all hackers an even worse name, and drag down Anonymous too.

Funny how Anonymous used primarily an unsophisticated traffic generation tool -- the equivalent of repeatedly pressing [F5] while viewing a website (not even a reflected distributed denial of service, which would have been much harder to trace and deliver more traffic) -- to attack primarily pro censorship political targets, yet LulzSec focuses on the most buzz generating of targets with much more sophisticated attacks.

What do you want to bet that LulzSec is taken down as soon as the powers that be wish them down, and that no real damage will come of their attacks?

Even if they are not government agents, anyone who follows behind the LulzSec banner is playing directly into the censors hands...

Not real hackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500366)

These people aren't the friendly hackers, these are script kiddies who want to be blackhat. Psychos who get thrills from trolling get thrills from seeing bigcorps suffer, gee, that's such an obvious jump from "4chan's not your personal army" to "gullible austistic children with too much time stumble their way into bigcorps computers" and then they cry about it when they fail.

4chan, anonymous, Luzsec, aren't heros, they're just people who enjoy seeing others suffer.

vigilantism is not justice (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500224)

that being said, when there is no justice, people turn to the vigilantes

banks are open season as far as the court of public opinion is concerned, as long as us taxpayers are footing the bill for their irresponsibility

so fire away, hooligans. you have my approval

Federal Reserve? (2)

taiwanjohn (103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500226)

Since Congress seems unable or unwilling to audit the Fed, maybe these guys can handle the job. At least that would be a useful application of their "l33t skillz" for a change.

Please be nice about it (2)

Bengie (1121981) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500230)

I hope they just keep it to a wikileak+smear campaign and not actually leak info that can get people killed.

In this news: (1)

koolfy (1213316) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500234)

- We talk about the fact that the press sucks and tought lulzsec and anon were at war when they were not.
- We laugh at Sony/Senate/Fox/Whatever 's security, and pity the fool who uses the same password everywhere.
- We discuss the morality, utility and cleverness of an "action" made for the lulz, by people only doing random stuff because they can. And we take this all very seriously, like it's the masterplan of some very serious organization.
- We defend banks and gov's secrets and talk about National Security and Cyberwar, or we compare antisec to Wikileaks and team up behind them like they're the next Ghandi
- We try to find a random, crazy link between this and the bitcoin thing, and go on trolling on whether it has volue or not

Or, if we don't give a crap about all this, we click on the slashdot news we're not interested in, and post a comment about how bad editorials are, and why this is of no interest.

If you find something else in this news's comments, please mod me down.

Oh no, now Wine is involved. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500242)

I am deeply disturbed that after reviewing the new logo with LulzSec and Anonymous. Notice the character in the logo is holding what appears to be a glass of wine. When did the Wine developers get involved?

Let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500248)

Their primary goal is to leak classified gov documents. Their primary target by which they intend to reach this goal is banks. BRILLIANT!

Wrong enemy to provoke (1)

Coisiche (2000870) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500270)

So they're going to annoy corporate entities which are immoral and unethical and while bound by legislation will do their utmost to have any particularly inconvenient laws they are subject to repealed. I don't see it ending well.

They don't know diff between Privacy and Secrecy (1)

stating_the_obvious (1340413) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500284)

These groups use the fight against government/corporate secrecy as a cover to justify silly cracking and DDOS. "Catch Us if you can" isn't a negotiating position -- it's a silly taunt from people who think: a) there is anonymity, and b) they're smarter than they are.

How does pilfering and publishing my personal information that I've entrusted to a government/corporation do anything to hurt the corporation. If anything, if makes we wish for stronger protection and enforcement -- something I never thought I'd want...

It was hot the night we burned chrome... (1)

tekrat (242117) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500286)

Blank is beautiful.

Hackers have declared war, it's time to take back our internet from the corporate fools and government cronies who have polluted it.

Thank the deities that there's someone out there keeping the online universe interesting. Not since Operation Sundevil have I been this excited to see the outcome.

Knight Lighting and Phiber Optik have been awaiting this day when the shackles have been thrown off and the geeks shall inherit the Earth.

If you wanted to get rid of internet anonymity... (2)

Smigh (1634175) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500410)

What kind of news would you want if you wanted to get rid of internet anonymity?

Probably this kind and the kind we've been reading for the last months.

I don't see the lulz in this.

Whistle-blower hacking --- Good or bad? (1)

adosch (1397357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500442)

When Lulzsec started out, their main 'mission', that I could gather, was their shear intolerance of weak web security and exploitation that surrounded it. Exposing pron.com admin/end-user base? Great. Displaying Nintendo's Apache's configs? That's fine. With the latest news front about Lulzsec rants in regards to 'Anonymous' attacking Sega and the 'we-like-dreamcast-so-you-are-going-down' seems quite juvenile, but whatever. It's publicity and it's getting people to take them seriously, no matter if it looks like nothing more than a swinging dong contest on digital playground.

Now they've taken a big step to team up with another group. Nothing wrong with that. I think what's going to cause some stir is not perhaps gaining access to government networks and getting their mits on classified material? It's the release of 'all' of it with zero disregard to national security as a whole. I think that's a real big problem with groups trying to drop in line and be the next 'Wiki-leaks' because it's not the 'uncovering' as much as it is the 'bragging rights'. There's a fine line between whistle-blowing government wrong-doing and nefariously, not to mention recklessly, leaking and or all classified material they get a hold of.

Why is this happening? People have had enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500474)

I'm not tin foil hat person, and definitely not an activist. I believe in the law and follow it to the best of my ability. Hell I haven't had a ticket since I was 16. The problem now is there is so much bureaucracy, government, and power consolidated with the rich that people are starting to have enough.

In 3rd and 2nd world countries, that's the revolution of democracy. Regardless of how their new governments are created, people want more freedom.

In the first world countries, that fight is now about freedom online, digital media etc. It's a nasty war that those in power are used to being able to control with an iron fist. They are starting to realize they don't have that control and try to squeeze those under them to retain control without understanding the power in the publics hands. The side effect is digital samurai who can retaliate easily, cheaply, but most importantly... anonymously. These samurai are intelligent, efficient, motivated and capable of inflicting un-imagined damage to you. However... they are human and desire mostly for peace and tranquility. They are not power hungry... they seek freedom. They are not your enemy unless you make them so.

The question anyone should ask themselves is... if we are a target, why are we a target? What did we do to deserve this? What are we doing wrong that these digital samurai are making an example of us? Deal with the source of the issue and these heroes will find other villians.

But make no mistake. You cannot stop this new breed of rebel without cutting off your own head. You cannot prevent their actions, you cannot deter their actions, you can only learn from them. Greed, Power and Control are slowly becoming a thing of the past, you must return to making decisions that the intelligent public will understand and accept. You cannot make decisions that the world would not like and expect to keep it secret for long.

Mongolian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36500480)

Attackers are Mongols and anti-secularian teamed up with some guarantuans and yellow fins.

These groups could be useful (2)

greymond (539980) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500588)

Groups like Anonymous and LulSec could probably do a lot more good for a lot of people if instead of pontificating about leaking government information actually did something useful like erase consumer debts instead of just posting passwords to porn sites online...

Re:These groups could be useful (2)

Smigh (1634175) | more than 3 years ago | (#36500672)

Any vigilante could potentially do good things but would you really trust random individuals (as egotistical and immature they may be) going around making justice by their own hands?
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