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Skype Forcing Mac Users To Upgrade Client

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the we-control-the-horizontal dept.

Communications 250

mijkal writes "Nevermind a huge outcry over the iTunes-like behemoth of Skype v5 for Mac. Users with v2.8 are being pushed an update to v5 regardless of update preferences. I even restored v2.8 from TimeMachine only to have it update itself again within minutes, offering only an option to relaunch the app."

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One word - alternatives? (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507270)

I think SIP, XMPP, and Asterisk are about to get a huge boost.

Re:One word - lardasses? Yes, Lardasses! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507320)

so I saw this big fat heifer-sow of a woman at the grocery store. this one was easily in the 300-350lb range and i was surpirsed to see she
could waddle on her own without the assistance of a wheeled electric fat-cart. i also was really very shocked and amazed to observe that she was
raiding the donuts. no mere half-dozen or full dozen box is enough for her. oh, no. she had to nab the biggest box the place sold, the two-dozen
box.

but you see, there was a problem. she simply could not hold out. it would be a whole 10-15 minutes before she could complete her
shopping and check-out. though i am certain she struggled mightily to control herself, alas, it was far too long to wait. the craving and the
temptation became far too much for her puny willpower. she was overcome and she knew it. still standing in the bakery/pastry area of the store,
she could not help her self. she cracked open the box right then and there and started eating the fat-sugar-and-grease filled donuts. i think it
was an empty box she brought to the check-out.

but oh how it was worth it. though she said nothing you could see how her heart sang. like
the lover to his long-lost beloved, or the heroin addict to the needle and spoon, or the crackhead to that white rock, she was propelled by what she
most cared about. of course she was a bit self-conscious. you could almost see it written on her face, thoughts like "they're going to think this
is why I am so grotesquely fat" and "my decision making obviously could never have anything to do with my disgusting self-hating bloated fatbody
obesity, i am not responsible, could not be responsible, it must be my big bones because bone always looks exactly like flabby jiggling rolls of
fat".

listen up and learn well. hear the words of wisdom. even though it is proven absolutely by empirical observation, basic physics and
mathematics, and the like, that you CANNOT POSSIBLY gain weight if you eat fewer calories than you burn... well despite all of these fancy "facts"
and all of that bullshit book-learnin', obscenely fat heifers like her have no responsibility for their condition. it is always someone or
something else's fault. true they could eat less or exercise more, or preferably both, but who has time for that? i mean damn, YOU try spending 10
hours of your waking day eating yourself into an early grave and then see how much time is left over for things like eating less or exercising more.
quit being so damned insensitive.

so the next time you see a big fat sweaty sow of a woman whose rolls of fat on her shoulder blades look like
a distorted, backward-facing second pair of breasts, you need to give her a mercy fuck. do it to take one for the team. do it to prove how much of
a non-bigot you are. do it so you can finally expose the LIE that people who take responsibility for their lives gain the ability to improve
themselves. we sure as hell can't have people believing in that.

just be sure to have on hand a 10 pound bag of flour. better make that two,
just in case. you might need it for that mercy fuck. you see, there is so much more to love that you might have difficulty locating the vaginal
orifice. that's where the flour kicks in and saves the day, or the night. you simply roll her around in it and look for the wet spot. that, good
sir, is your target. you will thank me in the morning, but fear not -- from the kindness of my heart i give this wisdom freely.

Re:One word - lardasses? Yes, Lardasses! (0)

Alimony Pakhdan (1855364) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507894)

How is it that this made so much more sense than any of the other comments here?

Was her name Reza? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508108)

Did she prefer the chocolatey ones?

Re:One word - alternatives? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507326)

What use are SIP and XMPP if all your contacts are on Skype?

Re:One word - alternatives? ... history repeating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507410)

What use is MSN messenger and AOL when all my contacts are on ICQ

Re:One word - alternatives? (2)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507422)

What use are SIP and XMPP if all your contacts are on Skype?

What use is having all your contacts in Skype, if Microsoft doesn't let you access it anymore?

Re:One word - alternatives? (1)

Hylandr (813770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508242)

I have already removed Skype from all family computers, and will be performing a complete re-install on all affected machines. I took the time, to copy off important contacts, and will be moving to asterisk. I suggest you do the same.

- Dan.

Re:One word - alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508618)

look into skypekiller . it was an ap made by a french (iirc) university in response to skype hogging pc/bandwidth resources and other such nonsense that said school had to purge it. aparrently the more resources you had, the more it took. obviously the new skype would tout now with less shenaningans TM than before, but hard to believe.
fwiw some pissed off people having a hard time uninstalling it decided to do a detailed analysis and found that it still acted as a hidden voip server when uninstalled, hence app named skypekiller became popularized. dumped that thing ages ago with a similar suspicion, so not sure what the current scenario is

interesting how this is on the heels of microsoft takeover. hard to say, but cant shake the feeling that this will result in an unprecedented spree of skype villany

Re:One word - alternatives? (2)

torstenvl (769732) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508646)

What use is a phone call... if you're unable to speak?

No, they won't. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507396)

They are a pain in the ass for average users to install, configure, and use. Skype isn't. That's why Skype succeeded in becoming wildly popular, and those half-assed alternatives haven't.

Seriously, Jabber alone is one of the biggest OSS failures we've ever seen, behind maybe only Diaspora. It got a huge amount of hype and attention, but could never make anything of it. Sure, there are a small number of companies that use it internally, but it has never really progressed beyond that. It has never gone mainstream in any measurable way.

Re:No, they won't. (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507478)

Hmm indeed. SIP is complex to get running. Accurate criticism. SIPbroker, even more complex. It's still mainly in the domain of techies and PBX admins.

Re:No, they won't. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507872)

GTalk is a huge OSS failure?

Re:No, they won't. (3, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508158)

Seriously, Jabber alone is one of the biggest OSS failures we've ever seen, behind maybe only Diaspora. It got a huge amount of hype and attention, but could never make anything of it. Sure, there are a small number of companies that use it internally, but it has never really progressed beyond that. It has never gone mainstream in any measurable way.

Have you seen this little thing called "Facebook Chat"?

I wouldn't call Google Talk a failure, either. Especially given that it is the default IM app on all Android phones (and, starting with 2.3.4, also the default voice/video chat app).

Re:No, they won't. (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508188)

Seriously, Jabber alone is one of the biggest OSS failures we've ever seen, behind maybe only Diaspora.

Yeah seriously. Maybe it would do better if someone big like Google or Facebook got behind it..

Re:No, they won't. (2)

Hylandr (813770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508272)

Which is why most serious gamers have taken the time and energy not only to install it for their use, but written and configured complex authentication mechanisms for it as well. Just because something doesn't swim past your armchair doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

- Dan.

Re:No, they won't. (1)

avatar139 (918375) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508416)

Which is why most serious gamers have taken the time and energy not only to install it for their use, but written and configured complex authentication mechanisms for it as well. Just because something doesn't swim past your armchair doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

- Dan.

Just because it exists though, doesn't mean it will ever be remotely mainstream unless it's designed to be easy to use...

Re:No, they won't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508492)

Serious gamers? Well, I'll ignore we're talking about gaming on Mac, but honestly "serious gamers" playing "serious games" like COD, BF2, TF2, etc. are all using Skype, Vent, Steam, TS3... Sometimes xfire. Unless you meant "serious" as something else entirely, as it is rather subjective.

Re:One word - alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507860)

Seriously? You really think so? Computer nerd much?

People use skype because it's easy, it works, there's little configuration that needs to be done, it breaks through firewalls and nat automatically, and their friends are there. SIP? It is a standard, not a product.

Ekiga etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507976)

There are a few free SIP registrars available, and this is their chance to shine.
For a start, Ekiga (https://www.ekiga.net/) offers a complete starter pack: Free SIP accounts on their server and a decent, easy-to-set-up client that offers excellent audio/video quality. Also, the same program can be used with any other SIP server (e.g. cheap phone gateways), thus it can be used by beginners as well as advanced users alike.
They also offer a STUN server so it should be really easy to get started.
And did I mention their client is Open Source?

Alternative chat rooms (1)

freefrag (728150) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508146)

I've been using a skype text conference as an invite-only chat room for some of my online friends. Why not IRC? Because skype keeps track of all history and logs so you don't have to idle in the room 24/7 to see what people said when you were away. I have found nothing as convenient and suitable to our purposes. Now, I'm starting to worry about the future. Does anyone have a suggestion for a different system?

I have no sympathy. (-1, Troll)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507280)

You chose to buy an Apple product, Its no secret that they enforce an oppressive monoculture.

Re:I have no sympathy. (3, Informative)

voodoosteve (1045878) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507292)

It's not Apple pushing the update...

Re:I have no sympathy. (0, Troll)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507444)

no but Apple engineered and implemented the mechanism in their OS that allows software 'updates' to be forcibly pushed onto people that don't want it.

Re:I have no sympathy. (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507538)

As opposed to application developers simply including such a forced upgrade feature on their own?

Re:I have no sympathy. (1)

FlashBIOS (665492) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507546)

Not even remotely true. This is a third-party product using its own update mechanism. Apple has never been involved in the updating of Skype, nor is Microsoft involved when Skype is run on Windows.

People, and their ignorate hatred, truly amaze me.

Re:I have no sympathy. (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507582)

Wrong.... Apple doesn't have a software update mechanism for apps. There's a common in-app update system called Sparkle that most Mac apps use (like many Windows apps use SafeInstall), but it's entirely 3rd party, and I'm not sure that Skype even uses it.

Re:I have no sympathy. (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508370)

No they didn't. What an idiotic, misinformed comment.

Re:I have no sympathy. (3, Informative)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508584)

no but Apple engineered and implemented the mechanism in their OS that allows software 'updates' to be forcibly pushed onto people that don't want it.

Sorry. You're confusing Apple with Microsoft.

You can completely turn off Software Updates. And even if you have them enabled, they do not actually install until, and unless, YOU give the go-ahead.

There simply is no such thing as a "forced update" on OS X.

Re:I have no sympathy. (3, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508656)

What's your next guess?

Apple's software never installs anything without user permission. It shows you what it wants to update, and you can accept it or reject it.

-jcr

Re:I have no sympathy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507300)

And when did Apple buy skype again?

Re:I have no sympathy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507310)

What does Skype forcing an auto update have to do with supposed "mono culture" of Apple ?

Re:I have no sympathy. (1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507322)

You mean like the Windows monoculture?

--
BMO

Re:I have no sympathy. (0)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507350)

exactly. Its why I only use Linux.

Re:I have no sympathy. (1, Funny)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507452)

You mean like the Linux fragmentation?

*rings doorbell and runs away*

--
BMO

Re:I have no sympathy. (0)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507666)

in b4 BSD

Re:I have no sympathy. (1, Insightful)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507342)

Monoculture? In OS X, I can edit and recompile their open-sourced Kernel or use a variety of Finder replacements. The same for their web browser etc. Go troll Windows users.

Re:I have no sympathy. (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507508)

you mean you don't know how to change shells and file managers in windows ?
i'll give you the recompile thing for the kernel... what do you do with it ? MacOS is not open though, by far.

Re:I have no sympathy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507418)

You chose to buy an Apple product, Its no secret that they enforce an oppressive monoculture.

I can smell the neckbeard from here.

Did you even read the article? Hell, even the summary? It's not Apple doing this, it's Skype.

Microsoft owned Skype, I'd point out. And this wouldn't be the first time they've crippled a Mac version of their products to drive people to Windows.

5.0 is much better (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507284)

5.0 is much better than 2.8 on resource usage and such ... doesn't make the machine so hot or chew the cpu or have as poor performance.

Re:5.0 is much better (1)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507332)

Have you seen the interface? No thanks, I'll stay with 2.8.x

Re:5.0 is much better (3, Informative)

heypete (60671) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507376)

Have you seen the interface? No thanks, I'll stay with 2.8.x

Yes. I changed it to "Compact View" (which has conversations individually windowed and not part of the same window as the contact list) and turned off the display of profile pictures in the contact list (which makes it more compact). It's not any more obtrusive than previous versions.

Re:5.0 is much better (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508262)

It's a lot larger then my current 100x200 pixel 2.8 interface

Re:5.0 is much better (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508352)

Have you seen the interface? No thanks, I'll stay with 2.8.x

No, you won't, apparently.

Re:5.0 is much better (1)

camperslo (704715) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508608)

5.0 is much better than 2.8 on resource usage and such ...

At 43.5 mb instead of 2 mb for the download, it sure doesn't seem that way. And they removed some features too?

Maybe someone will post hacks/patches to disable the auto-update?

If there's a FOSS collective working on a ready-for-the-masses replacement, I bet many would be willing to chip in with donations or free room...

anti macroshaft rant... (-1, Flamebait)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507316)

and coming from M$, this is a surprise because...?

Re:anti macroshaft rant... (4, Funny)

mattcsn (1592281) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507370)

It's a surprise because mac users are usually happy when someone else decides what's best for them.

Re:anti macroshaft rant... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507660)

It's a surprise because mac users are usually happy when Apple decides what's best for them.

FTFY.

And for the record, nobody is happy when Microsoft decides what's best for them.

More like (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507834)

It's a surprise because mac users are usually happy when someone else who's competent decides what's best for them.

FTFY.

If you haven't been paying attention, those folks at Skype who released 5.0 are *not* competent, at least design-wise.

Re:anti macroshaft rant... (1, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508160)

It's a surprise because mac users are usually happy when someone else decides what's best for them.

Mac users are happy when Steve Jobs decides not best for them, and not just some random "someone".

Re:anti macroshaft rant... (3, Informative)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507372)

Because it started before MS took over. Skype jumped from a good 2.8 client on the Mac to a 5.0 Mac client that brought in the awful Windows UI.

Re:anti macroshaft rant... (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507516)

because it's not coming from ms ?

Re:anti macroshaft rant... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508266)

wow you are dumb and clueless

Not Mac-specific annoyance (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507378)

I've had this happen to me with a version of Skype for Windows. I know I set it to not autoupdate, but that was worth fuck-all, apparently. The old Skype was tons more configurable and worked better - for me - than any of the newer versions.

Re:Not Mac-specific annoyance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507498)

Perhaps this happens when a vulnerability is detected that affects not the individual computer running Skype (i.e. not something that allows arbitrary code execution) but allows someone to take advantage of the network (i.e. something that could allow users to connect without authentication and spam the living Jesus out of everyone online). There would be a strong incentive on Skype's part to push out an update in those cases, regardless of preferences, because an outdated client could compromise the network.

Not for me (4, Informative)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507388)

I quit, restarted and even did check for updates. It didn't force me to do upgrade. *shrug*

Re:Not for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507482)

Not being forced to upgrade here either. 2.8 told me there was an upgrade available, I clicked "tell me later" and Skype added the upgrade notification to my "missed events".

Re:Not for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507654)

Yeah... there's no one forcing an update, and 2.8 is *still* available from a link on the very page linked in the summary. I knew not reading TFA was standard operating procedure for those commenting on Slashdot, but even for the submitters and editors?

This is not a story: this is a lie wrapped around a link that disproves the lie. It's like a parody of Slashdot, yet it's not.

Re:Not for me (2)

cl191 (831857) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507668)

I did the same and no forced update either.

Re:Not for me (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507728)

Tried the same thing and it didn't for me either.

Re:Not for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508088)

Only those who gripe are getting forced updates on Skype.

Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507454)

Been using some old version on Linux for a while knowing it's only a matter of time before the crappy Windows version makes its way over : (

Walled garden (0, Troll)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507458)

Newsflash: walled-garden app forces users to do things their walled-garden way. Film at 11.

Re:Walled garden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507534)

You mean the App Microsoft now owns, and was downloaded by choice via Skypes website like any other App?

Shouldn't feed the trolls..

Re:Walled garden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507710)

Update, the Mac is not a walled garden.

Re:Walled garden (2, Insightful)

shatfield (199969) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507752)

Who is moderating this troll up? His post is utter nonsense and completely incorrect.

Re:Walled garden (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508172)

(posting anonymously because *I* modded this troll up and I don't want my mod points to go away)
I did. if you have a problem with this, why don't you go hang out at reddit. I don't have to explain my mods to anyone, even you Shatfield.

Pre-Intel (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507536)

So does this mean PPC Mac users are now cut off?

Re:Pre-Intel (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508506)

I would think so. Kind of sad considering apple still officially supports both G4 and G5 systems.

Microsoft buys something, immediate forced upgrade (0, Troll)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507610)

One wonders, why. Why does a takeover/merger need in immediate abrupt disruption of release cycle.

unless you are pushing some questionable crap into customers. like govt. mandated backdoors, cutting in front of competitors, wiretapping or other crap ?

Re:Microsoft buys something, immediate forced upgr (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507712)

or perhaps it was already in the pipeline... you may now return to your favorite conspiracy theory.

Re:Microsoft buys something, immediate forced upgr (-1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507922)

'it was in the pipeline', and it needed to be pushed right at the time of the takeover, right ? youre too naive. even if it was in the pipeline, such rush would mean that they shoved in something they urgently wanted, and pushed it with it.

Re:Microsoft buys something, immediate forced upgr (2)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508328)

I get used to you making massive leaps of faith when it comes to figuring out what's happening in reality, usually relying on your hubris to shape your perception of the world to one that suits your notions of conspiracy, but this one is refreshingly inane. The glaring inconsistency between your alleged scheme and reality is the update isn't being forced to all users. All you have to do is read some of the comments in this very thread, strangely which were posted before your accusations, and you'll see lots of people who have been offered the v5 upgrade, and simply declined to accept it, and continue to run their older versions.

Until you can show that both the update is being forcibly pushed to people regardless of their intentions (both explicit and implicit), and that the v5 being pushed contains backdoors or other such shady, scary things that make you weep in the darkness, you don't have a fucking leg to stand on. Not that wobbly, nonsensical reasoning isn't your forte, so I'm sure you'll carry on, forever increasing the number of players in this dastardly plot you have apparently single-handedly exposed at such great personal risk, and forever twisting the assumed reasoning employed by said players behind said plot into some grotesque New-World-Order-meets-Alex-Jones-blowing-David-Icke-on-ice fandango, consistently trading sympathetic ears for cold shoulders as you go.

It's always fun to watch you effortlessly void your bowels of logic on Slashdot. Your trite, effete offerings regularly remind me of Carl Sagan's wonderful abridgement of the irrational discourse that followed the improved imagery of Venus, when the Venusian atmosphere was first clearly visible:

Obervation: We can't see anything.
Conclusion: Dinosaurs.

Carry on, dear boy.

Re:Microsoft buys something, immediate forced upgr (1)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508234)

or since MS is pushing total restructuring, they're trying to streamline and minimize the effect of layoffs. step one: sync people to the same version of the software to allow a cut in support staff.

corporations aren't as clever as you think. they're on the level of alligators, maybe hyenas.

Lookout ruslter hackers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507638)

Dars a new Shaarif in town. Hot dang, 'ell show'em by god e will. Spittoooeee, plink!

So what? (4, Insightful)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507642)

Plenty of Apps that require connectivity to online networks force updates from time to time. Guess what? Steam had a required update?!?!? Blizzard forced users to run updates to continue using World of Warcraft?!!! Oh noes!

Seriously. I get that there is massive FUD now that Microsoft has bought out Skype, but that doesn't mean every single bit of normal behavior (like locking out and forcing updates on old versions of clients) is somehow a malicious news-worthy event in some grand conspiracy.

Re:So what? (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507656)

Yes, this. I get that the OP doesn't like the new interface or something, but this is quite prevalent.

Re:So what? (3, Insightful)

yarnosh (2055818) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507698)

No conspiracy. Skype 5.x just blows.

Re:So what? (2)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507700)

The difference is that, not that long ago, the Skype execs responded to the outcry over the new version with a reinstating of the previous version and allowing it to run without any issues. Now with the Microsoft takeover announced, the position has been reversed, hence the consternation.

Re:So what? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507904)

Well they can just cry and moan about it and we can move on. I have absolutely no idea what skype is like these days (stopped using it so many years ago) but you can't expect to use an old version forever. Even if they did reinstate it, there will come a time where it has to go. It just didn't have to go yet. And even if the forced change isn't entirely necessary then so what? People will just have to learn to deal.

I remember the older versions of uTorrent, and wish so much that I could use them. But since they're old, most trackers I use blacklist them. I cried, but got over it.

Re:So what? (2)

tgd (2822) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507852)

I get that there is massive FUD now that Microsoft has bought out Skype, but that doesn't mean every single bit of normal behavior (like locking out and forcing updates on old versions of clients) is somehow a malicious news-worthy event in some grand conspiracy.

Slashdot
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Re:So what? (2)

sl3xd (111641) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508472)

It's not so much about the policy of auto-updating. It's that Skype 5 for Mac is, to my knowledge, universally loathed compared to the previous release.

Skype took a clean and coherent interface, tossed it out the window, and replaced it with an incoherent, messy, ugly, and user-hostile interface. The only thing that can make it worse is red flashing text. I may only be an engineer with the design taste of a manure pile, but the new Mac interface for Skype makes me gag.

That's pretty much the entire reason for the outrage - a major update that everybody hates.

Regarding the negative nancy's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507724)

I get the frustration and being unwilling to accept changes that are being forced down your throats. Do you comprehend that there may be other motives for this update? A few weeks ago an exploit was released in which someone could gain root through skype. Microsoft would rather force an update than have Apple ban "Skype" outright.

ooVoo (1)

shatfield (199969) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507746)

I've been using Skype video conferencing for the past 5 years to take an online Spanish class, and for the past several months it has been terrible. There have been many instances of dropped calls, degraded call quality, frozen video, etc. Throw in the v5 UI fiasco and it was time for a change.

A few weeks ago we started trying alternatives (MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, AIM, and a few others) and finally settled on ooVoo [http://www.oovoo.com], which is not a perfect replacement, but works much better than Skype in the areas that matter. The video is much more clear and we have not suffered a single dropped call.

Re:ooVoo (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507916)

Eh, ooVoo is a shareware client that hides all the good features for paid users. Plus the annoying ads if you don't pay are unusually annoying.

Re:ooVoo (1)

shatfield (199969) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508060)

So what is better for video conferencing between Mac and Windows?

Skip this version (2)

cgraeff (1098129) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507772)

There is "Skip this version" button for me? What's the matter?

Anti-reverse engineering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36507780)

This is probably part of their desperate attempt to obfuscate themselves out of the open source reverse engineering efforts. They can't let the older version still be used because its protocol is what was cracked.

Vulnerabilities perhaps? (1)

WD (96061) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507818)

Did you consider that old versions of Skype contain vulnerabilities? So how is this much different than Google pushing out Chrome updates that fix vulnerabilities?

Problem: not the upgrade, the new version (3, Insightful)

dindi (78034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507884)

I do not mind a new version to fix issues. My only pain with it is that some companies force new interfaces on you, sometimes completely ignoring their previous interface's logic. Skype did that to us and every single person I talk to hates the new interface with a passion. When a group of programmers keep wondering for minutes how to switch to chat, how to conference someone in, or why you have new little icons without/instead of text, I cannot imagine what your grandma/grandpa does when this happens. It took them significant time to figure the original out, now they have to re-learn it.

Now with MS as the owner I fear worst. Why ? Well I am not a regular Word/Excel user. I used Openoffice (before it became a slow bloat), then switched to Apple's Pages/Numbers. Both work fine for my needs (I am not a DTP guy, at most I create technical documents for users/techs). Where I work we can get MS Office for free, and I bought a $10 copy for home too.... Then the horror came: EVERYTHING changed since the last time I used the product. Everything I learned/got used to suddenly was hidden inside menus, buttons, drop-downs and sometimes super simple tasks needed excessive clicking. MS does this kind of stuff regularly: with their OS and with their other products. I just simply hate it.

The point here is not to bash MS and Skype for innovating, nor the upgrades (would be nice if I did not have to buy Office every 2 years to read the idiotic new format they invented to make me buy it again though). Companies should provide a way to use their software in a "minimal/simple" mode - IMO 99% of Word/Excel users - including techs/admins/engineers - would only need this mode. Also when you "innovate" keep an option to keep a function in the menu where it was. No one - I repeat: NO ONE - wants to keep re-mapping their brain to remember new locations in 10+ different software every single year.

Impossible? With menus, you just need menu NEW and menu OLD, and just put the same crap in one where you had it and where you think it should be now. Maybe allow the user to publish which menu they use and make better decisions about changing stuff around in every release.

But then again, maybe all the changes make people think that they have a new and enhanced product? I see the same crap in a new potty with new buttons on it year after year and maybe I am too old to put up with it...

Re:Problem: not the upgrade, the new version (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508176)

would be nice if I did not have to buy Office every 2 years to read the idiotic new format they invented to make me buy it again though

You don't have to. Any version of Office released in the last 8 years can be made to read (and write) files produced by any later version - you may need to download an add-on to do so in case of 2003, but it's free.

Re:Problem: not the upgrade, the new version (1)

dindi (78034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508300)

OH :) OK. Good info. I honestly did not know this, as I was using other products (Pages, OO, textedit, vi :) )

Re:Problem: not the upgrade, the new version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36508390)

also, if you're a shortcut person, all the old alt shortcuts from 2003 menus (or at least all the ones I used) are still present in 2007. I.e. alt+f, v used to get you print preview... and still does, even though there's no file menu.

Re:Problem: not the upgrade, the new version (1)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508394)

"Everything I learned/got used to suddenly was hidden inside menus, buttons, drop-downs and sometimes super simple tasks needed excessive clicking. MS does this kind of stuff regularly: with their OS and with their other products. I just simply hate it."

No offense, but this is not an excuse anymore. You have had almost 5 years to learn the 2007 interface redesign. If you worked in a moderately progressive office, you would have at least office 2007 for at least 1 to 2 years probably more.

I am wondering how your transition from windows win 98 -> 2k/xp went for you. Sure eveything seems bad at the beginning of any change, but to go back is now harder for most users.
I mean its been 4+ years. Were you still running windows 98 in 2002? Perhaps you are slow to change.

But of course I agree that unnessecary changes or change for change's sake is a BAD idea. I hate firefox interface redesigns, etc... In my mind, microsoft is actually quite slow to change, compared to most software companies. Chrome went what, 7+ versions this year? adobe cs updates every single year. Perhaps the office thing is a bad example. Well certainly I am tired of hearing it at least.

A clear case of the slows. (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507906)

An Update On Skype For Mac [skype.com]

April 1

77 replies, the last posted April 16.

Download.com alone has logged over 400,000 downloads of Skype 5.1for the Mac since May 27. Skype for Mac [cnet.com]

FaceTime is a 13 MB download, Skype 20 MB.
Close enough.

Skype is a VoIP or the masses.The client will be shaped by their needs and not yours. That is the price you pay for being able to call out to 700 million users.

 

Is this a story? It's nothing new (1)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#36507964)

Skype has always auto-dated for me. It's been doing that for years. Never found a way to turn that off, either -- not that it really bothers me.

Re:Is this a story? It's nothing new (1)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508006)

Actually, I wasn't entirely correct there, sorry. I just run the old install file I have from 2007, and it gets the newest version. No now when I run the program, though. Ignore that post in any case. Sorry

5 wont work on ppc macs (1)

lemur3 (997863) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508124)

Unless theyve changed something... forcing this upgrade (which doesnt seem to happen when i open my client) would cause all of the ppc mac users to lose skype access.

5 doesnt have a universal binary release...

i use skype for a lot of meetings and stuff.. losing it would seriously suck.

Wait, I thought people were worried the updates (1)

Sprouticus (1503545) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508374)

would stop.....and now people are complaining that they are being forced to accept a change (like many such internet service based apps).

I get being concerned about MS dropping support for smaller OS's (although it doesnt make a lot of business sense). But overreacting to everything that happens at Skype like we have seen in the last month is just silly.

From the outside of the box... (1)

Argile (2289282) | more than 3 years ago | (#36508382)

Poor little mac users... Snif! Meanwhile, I'm sure no one has noticed Apple forcing their monopolistic business strategy upon e-ve-ry-one! At this point, you'd rather stop enjoying the bottom of hole and start evaluating how astronomic the contrast is between your petty considerations and what's actually going on! This blog seems poisoned by brain-dead sibling-less geeks and other brainwashed puppets. Drop the whining and focus on what really matters. P.S.: The number of pissed off replies to this post will be inversely proportional to the chance of improving the quality of Slashdot news.
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