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LulzSec Debunks UK Census Hack

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the we-swear-we-didn't-do-this-one dept.

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Earlier this morning we reported that an arrest had been made relating to the hacker group LulzSec. mask.of.sanity notes "Hacking group LulzSec has poured cloud water on claims that it had stolen UK Census data and was preparing to release the records. 'Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us — don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first,' the group said from its official Twitter account."

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LULZ IS CAPTURED !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514354)

News at noon !!

Tweet first (4, Funny)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514366)

So after they put out a Tweet, do believe fake LulzSec releases.

Re:Tweet first (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514910)

So after they put out a Tweet, do believe fake LulzSec releases.

What is your first clue these people need to get out more, or at least away from the screen?

Re:Tweet first (1)

ashidosan (1790808) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516176)

Slashdot users, or...?

Re:Tweet first (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516796)

LulzSec == namefag

Only Anonymous is anonymous.

That means that your not LulzSec just because you say your LulzSec. But as long as you remain anonymous, your part of Anonymous.
capisce ?

Re:Tweet first (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517186)

So anyone claiming to be a member of Anonymous is obviously lying. So if I remain anonymous, but do not want to be part of Anonymous, what do I do? How do I know I am not part of the group, unless I claim to be part of the group?

Re:Tweet first (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517234)

post as AC

Re:Tweet first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36518072)

Yep

Re:Tweet first (1)

cold fjord (826450) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515128)

Yes, do. I think the next one will be: We totally didn't do that (now that we see there really could be consequences brought by intelligence agencies that we told to F off).

Bin Laden lasted 10 years because his messenger drove about 90 miles before putting the battery in the cell phone to make a call so the signal wouldn't be traced back to him. Since I doubt most of them would get off the sofa to change the TV channel, I give any particular member of "LulzSec" and "Anonymous" somewhere between 10 hours and 10 months if the security services are truly interested*.

The onion peeling and "lulz" are just beginning.

*So, exactly which DDoS / hack came from where on which day? Which data was stolen from there? Hmmm?

Re:Tweet first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36521240)

They only want to claim responsibility if they can say it first. It's the mentality of a group of 4-year-olds.

Someone hacks a site, steals a load of data and sends it to LulzSec - suddenly it's an official hack because they get to release the bittorrent file and tell everyone about it first.

Someone else hacks a site and the internet rumor mill/media get to it first. They'd disown it even if the hacker followed the same process as my former example and sent them the data.

This is nothing more than an ego trip. They're babies that want the first word, last word and every word, otherwise they're not happy.

wtf is (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514372)

cloud water?

Re:wtf is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514800)

I think that's when someone fills up a bunch of old Poland Spring bottles with urine and occasionally lets you take a sip off one for slightly less than it would cost to buy your own reservoir.

Re:wtf is (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515768)

We call that cider in the UK and it comes from the West Country.

Re:wtf is (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 3 years ago | (#36518894)

We call that cider in the UK and it comes from the West Country.

That do be scrumpy, laddie!

Re:wtf is (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | more than 3 years ago | (#36538062)

You can tell the good stuff because your (silicate-)glass half-pint jug comes with a platinum-iridium coaster to protect the flagstones on the floor.

Tables? What sort of a gay bar do you think this is?

Re:wtf is (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514850)

Rain -- as in rain on someone's parade.

Re:wtf is (1)

black soap (2201626) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514964)

So you mean I shouldn't have tried running my garden house into The Cloud?

Re:wtf is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515088)

cold?

Re:wtf is (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515148)

That's water straight from the outsource.

Anonimity has its price (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514382)

How can you prove who you are when you're anonymous? Well, I guess there's always a public key.
Use a public key, you dorks.

Re:Anonimity has its price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514990)

An official webpage and twitter isn't good enough?

Re:Anonimity has its price (1)

black soap (2201626) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515156)

How do we know the denial is legit? Maybe the announcement of the hack was correct.

Re:Anonimity has its price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515206)

They already have an official twitter, and it's not like they aren't smart enough to have ways to communicate with the world if that somehow gets hacked.

Re:Anonimity has its price (2)

cold fjord (826450) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515280)

How can you prove who you are when you're anonymous? Well, I guess there's always a public key.
Use a public key, you dorks.

It won't work. How many times have we been told there are no members? That nobody can really speak for them? That any random group of people on a given day can take action without everyone else knowing or being involved?

What they think is a clever tactic for shielding them from individual guilt also makes it practically impossible to deny anything effectively, or believably.

Re:Anonimity has its price (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516934)

LulzSec is not Anonymous. They may be better described as Pseudonymous.

Re:Anonimity has its price (1)

cold fjord (826450) | more than 3 years ago | (#36524062)

Related herds, same bull.

Re:Anonimity has its price (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#36525388)

I think you are confusing them with Anonymous. LulzSec has never claimed to be that kind of non-entity.

Re:Anonimity has its price (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515900)

How can you prove who you are when you're anonymous?

How can you claim you had nothing to do with it, when you just asked every cracker to help you "Hack The Planet" yesterday? (Operation AntiSec)

LulzSec requested assistance from Anonymous as well as any other crackers, stating that their "top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information, including email spools and documentation."

It may not be a "top" priority, but doesn't this sound a little bit contradictory:
"Help us hack the world's Governments!"
Look, I hacked the census for the Lulz! AntiSec, FTW!
"LulzSec is not responible, even though we are running #AntiSec, and all targets of opportunity should be cracked under our AntiSec banner; For the Lulz!"

In fact, the Slashdot [slashdot.org] story is still on the tab for me.

They don't really have to PROVE ANYTHING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36524788)

"Anonymity is your name... You are no longer part of the system. You are above the system, over it, beyond it. We're 'them'. We're 'they'. We are the Men in Black."

* Absolutely!

Take it from me, lol, an "AnoNyMoUs-CoWaRd"!

( & based the above quotation from the film MEN IN BLACK!

APK

P.S.=> In fact, a few folks here found that out this week (damn_registrars) in regards to myself, lmao...

However, on the note of LuLzSeC & more seriously (whoever they may be?):

Hey - They're not "All that Bad" & I think they're actually more into "shaming targets into a fix" instead of they being "lackadaisical" about it for 1 thing, &/or EVEN OFFERING TO TAKE ON OTHER HACKER/CRACKER TYPES:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/06/19/1946203/LulzSec-Offers-to-Take-Revenge-On-Sega-Hackers [slashdot.org]

And, for another, & helping again, rather than just offering to as they have above?

WELL - They DID help out NHS (instead of taking advantage of them, as the COULD have, were they truly "bogus", especially w/ a slew of admin level pwd's they had):

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/160624/20110610/lulzsec-lulz-security-nhs-health-service-cyber-attack-weak-hack-hackers-hacked-sony-nintendo-network.htm [ibtimes.com]

"Good"/"Bad"?

Hey - There are NO absolutes, & imo @ least? It's sort of DANGEROUS to speak in those terms (binary thinking)!

I mean really!

Much is "shades of grey" (lol, or is it GRAY)

&

ALL A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE, & IN ADDITION TO WHO'S DOING THE JUDGING ALSO, of said qualities (diametrically opposed ones no less the 2 sides to every coin...)!

( & there isn't a judge/man who isn't also "victim to skewed view" or sin-free, ala Jung's "The Duality of Man").

...apk

Cloud water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514408)

As opposed to virtual water or iWater or eWater?

Will the real LulzSec remain silent? (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514426)

How do we know anyone is speaking for the real LulzSec?

let's see some ID

Re:Will the real LulzSec remain silent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515514)

How about a PGP signature?

Re:Will the real LulzSec remain silent? (1)

laxguy (1179231) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523282)

If you search around you will find a number of groups working to oust LulzSec.

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] for one.. they have some "d0x" and a number of chat logs. Having read through the logs myself, there are a couple of people that "speak" for the LulzSec. Though they all seem to have access to the twitter, there are a couple of "main" guys.. and there is definitely 1 or 2 leader figures.

Debunks? (2)

uberjack (1311219) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514494)

Or denies? Because there's a big difference between the two, and I believe it's the latter.

Re:Debunks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515504)

Or denies? Because there's a big difference between the two, and I believe it's the latter.

Repudiates.

Re:Debunks? (1)

biodata (1981610) | more than 3 years ago | (#36520458)

Disavows?

Re:Debunks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36521376)

This is more like "disclaims".

Captcha: rebuff

Cloud water? (4, Informative)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514514)

Isn't it cold water? To pour cold water on something, to debunk it.

Cloud water is rain.

Re:Cloud water? (2)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514614)

Yeah. Idioms are apparently confusing to a lot of people, especially if they heard them wrong initially and run with it. Had an ex that refused to believe that it was a "temper tantrum" and not a "tantertantrum." Or the more mainstream moo point [youtube.com] .

Re:Cloud water? (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514770)

Yeah. Idioms are apparently confusing to a lot of people, especially if they heard them wrong initially and run with it. Had an ex that refused to believe that it was a "temper tantrum" and not a "tantertantrum." Or the more mainstream moo point [youtube.com] .

Je suid d'accord. I was searching for some specs on Heat Shrink Tubing when I encountered "Approcations" [sei-sfp.co.jp] I wasn't familiar with the word, thinking it was "Engrish", so I did a search on Approcations and found it not to be not just one misspelling/misuse/confusion, but at least two. In this instance it should be Applications and in at least one other the meaning was for Appreciation.

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514842)

Haha! I knew what that moo point link would be before I even clicked it :-)

Re:Cloud water? (1)

mistiry (1845474) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517328)

I don't usually post off-topic...but...

Joey: It's a moo point.
Chandler: I'm sorry...moo point?
Joey: Yeah, it's like a cows opinion - it doesn't matter. It's moo.

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36525040)

Except it's Rachel, not Chandler :-)

Re:Cloud water? (1)

mr_lizard13 (882373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515170)

This whole thing is a bit of a damp squid.

Re:Cloud water? (2)

Toad McFrog Esq. (850532) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515518)

This whole thing is a bit of a damp squid.

Not if you put it up on a pedal stool...

Re:Cloud water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515332)

"I could care less"

Re:Cloud water? (1)

broginator (1955750) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515434)

Off-topic, just thought i'd mention i was reading your blog, and i love it. post more stuff, plzthnx :D

Re:Cloud water? (1)

txsable (169665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515848)

A former employer of mine used to (well, probably still does) say something was a "mute point". It grated on my nerves every time he said that.

Re:Cloud water? (1)

phoenixwade (997892) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516604)

A former employer of mine used to (well, probably still does) say something was a "mute point". It grated on my nerves every time he said that.

What? You didn't take the opportunity to point out that "mute" means STFU?

Re:Cloud water? (1)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517662)

A former employer of mine used to call them "vanilla folders".

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517290)

for all intensive porpoises she was right

Re:Cloud water? (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#36525402)

"I could care less" is my favourite since it actually means the exact opposite of "I couldn't care less".

Re:Cloud water? (3, Interesting)

Gideon Wells (1412675) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514656)

I wrote it off as a tech pun on the Cloud.

Re:Cloud water? (2)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515196)

Technically, they didn't debunk or refute, they rebutted. The first two require acceptable evidence, the latter says "I didn't do it, so there!"

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515302)

Respect, sir! :-)

Re:Cloud water? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515730)

Technically, they didn't debunk or refute, they rebutted. The first two require acceptable evidence, the latter says "I didn't do it, so there!"

They refuted.

To rebut they must have initially been asserted to be the responsible party.

Claiming they are not the one and same who claimed responsibility is refuting.

and don't even get me started on prebutals.

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515310)

Cloud water... hmmm... that sounds marketable!

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517308)

sorry, Apple owns it

Re:Cloud water? (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515810)

This sometimes get mixed up when they translate from the UK press to the American Press.

Cloud Water... (2)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514556)

...I think I've had that
no matter how good your friends are, don't share your water bottle

Re:Cloud Water... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514664)

i will sex you... molestually.

Re:Cloud Water... (1)

Allicorn (175921) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515186)

It's what they make rainbows out of, I believe. It's apparently very spicy.

How long before their twitter account is hacked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514618)

Someone should set up a betting pool on how long it will be before some other group hacks Twitter to gain access to LulzSec's account to post tweets.

"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (1)

Revotron (1115029) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514718)

Dear submitters,

If you don't know what a specific word or figure of speech means, OR how it's spelled, DON'T use it. I beg of you.

To loosely quote Stewie, "Anyone caught using the terms 'irregardless,' 'a whole nother,' or 'all of the sudden' will be put in work camps.”

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (1)

CyberDong (137370) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514888)

But typoes are okay, right?

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515112)

Yeah, if you're going to be a grammar Nazi, at least proofread your post.

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (1)

CyberDong (137370) | more than 3 years ago | (#36540082)

I did proofread it.... Then I went back and added the "e" for effect.

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514980)

It's all in the cloud now! CLOUD CLOUD CLOUD!!!one! How dare you question the CLOUD's applicability, unbelieving heretic dog?

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515036)

Worse, that particular quote comes straight from the source article. Random submitter makes a mistake and Slashdot editors miss it I can understand. 'Real' writer makes a mistake and 'real' editor misses it, that's much harder to swallow.

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515464)

Dear submitters,

If you don't know what a specific word or figure of speech means, OR how it's spelled, DON'T use it. I beg of you.

What if you learned it incorrectly and don't know it's being used wrong?

Re:"Cloud water" and "Debunks" (1)

hierophanta (1345511) | more than 3 years ago | (#36520736)

clearly you should be taken out back and shot before you can spread the dis-information

The funny part is... (2)

threeseas (2245516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36514730)

.. considering how such authorities make stuff up so to fabricate an enemy... you'd think they would better understand how foolish they appear at taking down one or a few people. i.e. Orlando Florida keeps arresting people for feeding the homeless... so haven't that gotten the ring leader yet?

Regarding inappropriate use of "Debunk" in summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36514978)

Can't tell if trolling or just very stupid.

Re:Regarding inappropriate use of "Debunk" in summ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36516368)

I'd say you're just very stupid.

Debunk? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515080)

Sounds like a denial, not a debunking.

tweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515106)

From the official LulzSec twitter account:

This twitter account has been hacked by LulzSec. Believe it.

Covering their butts? (1)

Bloodwine77 (913355) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515108)

Perhaps the arrest by the UK police earlier has put some fear in to them so they are now trying to act like they haven't hacked the UK census in a desparate attempt to fend off the police.

Not sure that's an affirmative defense (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36515324)

"Your honor, I didn't do the crime. I would have tweeted about it. Just like I did for all my other crimes. See?"

Nothing to do with the census (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36515608)

These stories have coincided on the same day. There's been no indication that the kid was arrested because of any allegation about the census. As the editor would have known if he had, say, checked BBC News first.

Re:Nothing to do with the census (2)

biodata (1981610) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516458)

BBC News are reporting however that there were intrusions in CIA and SOCA. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13859868 [bbc.co.uk] "Metropolitan Police's e-crimes unit had confirmed the raid was linked to the recent intrusion attacks on the websites of the CIA and Britain's Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca)." Just slack journalism or is this now a fact? I thought they previously said it was DDOS and nothing was intruded upon or compromised.

I thought census data was secure (2)

biodata (1981610) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516100)

Weren't we told that this was being managed by a highly secure, terribly efficient American corporation, and there was absolutely no danger of our personal data being hacked into and released on the internet?

Re:I thought census data was secure (1)

synthesizerpatel (1210598) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516192)

I had to google this, being an American I wasn't aware that Lockheed Martin was involved in handling UK Census data.

That's weird.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/19/census-boycott-lockheed-martin [guardian.co.uk]

Re:I thought census data was secure (1)

biodata (1981610) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516244)

I know, it's a scandal and a blooming liberty if you ask me, but noone did. I guess we are in a bad financial shape and America paid us to let them do it so that they could pwn all our dox or something.

Re:I thought census data was secure (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517388)

when will you come to your census

Re:I thought census data was secure (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#36517364)

Lockheed also does the Canadian census data..... we've all been assured it has nothing to do with the multi-billion dollar Fighter Jet contract...

Re:I thought census data was secure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36518734)

How does Lockheed conduct the Canadian census? Reconnaissance photography of hockey riots?

Who the heck riots over hockey?? Average Bostonian couldn't name their own hockey team in three tries. Some sort of canuckistan paradise when people have so few concerns they riot over a hockey game.

Just shut up canuck. Go rip up some more tundra; we need the oil. Otherwise we might have to re-purpose our hockey riot census photography for invasion.

Your government's on crack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36520236)

a highly secure, terribly efficient American corporation

Speaking as an American, sorry, but there aren't any of those. We have quite a few highly secure and terribly efficient organizations, but they aren't corporations. They are privately owned enterprises, mostly family operations or small rural businesses.

and there was absolutely no danger of our personal data being hacked into and released on the internet

Riiiiight. Did it occur to your government to look at recent history? Or did they give up paying attention after 1965?

Common sense debunks claims... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36516104)

LulzSec's supposed claim to be in possession of all records from the UK Census falls a bit flat regardless of any later claims and counterclaims given that a) Lockheed Martin haven't finished processing all the records yet and b) they're not the only company doing data capture....
 

Yeah, we should believe these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36516752)

After all, they are such upright lads!

Old media news is a sham. (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36516802)

News organizations are failing at due diligence these days. Gotta keep feeding those profit margins, no time for fact-checking, no calling up the UK census and asking about a breach. Nope, just release whatever you read on a random pastebin and fire away!

This is why I get breaking news from Twitter feeds. The journalism quality is just as good (or bad).

Posting to undo unwanted moderation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36518118)

please disregard

LulzSec can... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523474)

LulzSec can debunk anything they want, since the public doesn't know who they are. They all get arrested but one, that one person sends out a press release saying "lol no we didn't" and the internet is so stupid they eat up whatever these terrorists say.

Using a tweet as authentication is lame... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36525834)

All it takes would be the govt seizing their Twitter account and then the govt could prevent they're the lulz (if they're not already).

Are their tweets redirecting to cryptographically signed message from Lulzec using a private key or are they really that stupid to use a Tweeter account that could be seized by the govt at any time?

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