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Nokia Introduces MeeGo-Powered N9 Phone

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the wherever-you-go,-meego-meego-meego dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with news that Nokia has unveiled its first MeeGo-powered smartphone, the N9. "[T]he smartphone doesn't have any buttons on the front, with only the volume controls and a lock button located on the right side of the device. ... The performance of the prototype device felt very snappy, and it looks almost ready for retail. As a MeeGo device, the N9 will be running apps based on the Qt platform." The Washington Post calls it "the platform that could have been," referring to Nokia's decision to make the transition to Windows Phone for future devices. Others are impressed with the device, but see it as either a dead end or just another distraction to Nokia's long-term plans.

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Soo.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521638)

Why couldn't they have released this phone with windows on it?

Re:Soo.... (5, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523308)

Why couldn't they have released this phone with windows on it?

They wanted it to be good.

And yeah, I know Microsoft's reputation managers will mod this to oblivion, but it's true. Once you get past the flashy tiles, WP7 doesn't do anything particularly interesting, and is inconsistent/crappy about a whole bunch of things, like syncing, SD Cards, email, etc, etc.

Try one - you'll quickly understand why the few people who bought them ended up disappointed.

Re:Soo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523680)

and is inconsistent/crappy about a whole bunch of things, like syncing, SD Cards, email, etc, etc.

how so?

Re:Soo.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523970)

It's not so much that as it takes more than just a few months to get a product through the pipeline. Right now WP7 requires a Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, whereas this phone uses one from TI. This phone was probably under development long before Nokia decided to change to primarily using WP7, and it wouldn't be possible to get this phone to run WP7. It's also likely that they'd made some commitments to buying components so either they could piss off the various manufacturers of these components or they could just release the phone. Considering it's better than their current product, there's no reason at all to scrap the release.

The phone I've been wating for . . (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521700)

. . . is at long last finally here. Alas, it is stillborn, killed in the womb by corporate arrogance and indifference. Now, no one cares, not even me.

The best-looking corpse in the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521804)

So it's like buying an Amiga in 1994?

Re:The best-looking corpse in the world (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522124)

Exactly; you can buy one and be insufferable for the next 5 years about things your friends' phones can just now do that you've been doing for years.

(And I can joke about it, because I'll be getting an N950 if at all possible, and probably an N9 as well.)

Re:The best-looking corpse in the world (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523312)

Exactly; you can buy one and be insufferable for the next 5 years about things your friends' phones can just now do that you've been doing for years.

Hey, Macs just recently got Battle Squadron!

Five years .. Try 20 .. ;D

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (2, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522006)

Alas, it is stillborn, killed in the womb by corporate arrogance and indifference. Now, no one cares, not even me.

Don't worry, we'll still mod you up every time you bring up how great the Nokia phones are even though nobody asked.

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (4, Funny)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522176)

Don't worry, we'll still mod you up every time you bring up how great the Nokia phones are even though nobody asked.

Yes, but will anyone mod you up for so astutely exposing the shameful, self-serving ulterior motive behind the previous poster's message?

That's why you posted, right? ;^) Heaven knows it's why I'm posting now... I've just got to have more of that that sweet, sweet karma....

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522296)

I didn't post to have intelligent discussion, if that's what you mean. ;)

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523696)

If only Karma was redeemable for bitcoin ... that sweet daily dose of bitcoin spam would taste all the more sweet.

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (4, Interesting)

fatphil (181876) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522210)

But don't forget that some people worked their guts out on the device.

Everyone will have some criticisms, that's only expected, but no-one who has worked on the device wants to see a criticism with a brush so broad that it covers their contribution or component. (Your comment did was not so broad-brush, this isn't a criticism of your post.)

There are several aspects of the device and/or software that are absolutely stellar. Incomparably better than anything else I've seen. I hope that journalists and bloggers recognise those when they finally get their hands upon one. It's a shame that some of these aspects are 'invisible', that's often the way with software - the less you notice it, the better it is, but alas the less likely it is to grab the attention.

Of course, there's one reason why I have the views and insights that I do, so I'll end this post with the following:
The opinions expressed in this post are mine own and do not necessarily represent the official view of Nokia.

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

quickOnTheUptake (1450889) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522816)

There are several aspects of the device and/or software that are absolutely stellar. Incomparably better than anything else I've seen. I hope that journalists and bloggers recognise those when they finally get their hands upon one. . . . Of course, there's one reason why I have the views and insights that I do

Could you just tell us what the subtly stellar aspects are?

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523550)

But don't forget that some people worked their guts out on the device.

Just because someone spent a lot of time and effort working on something doesn't mean it's GOOD. I can spend all day every day for 5 years trying to paint the New York skyline, but that doesn't mean that the resulting picture will be any good.

Doesn't mean it's good? (2)

Guppy (12314) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523746)

Just because someone spent a lot of time and effort working on something doesn't mean it's GOOD.

Hey, no reason to bring Duke Nukem into this!

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523750)

Just because someone spent a lot of time and effort working on something doesn't mean it's GOOD. I can spend all day every day for 5 years trying to paint the New York skyline, but that doesn't mean that the resulting picture will be any good.

Well, why wouldn't it? The results surely would improve by practice...

But yeah, I know what you mean. Development time alone is probably a bad unit of measurement in quality.

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522528)

THIS device right there shows us the beauty of open source like nothing else:
Even when Nokia dies (and there's no doubt about that), even if they stop supporting it tomorrow, and even if it's the last MeeGo ever, ...

The drivers are there, the kernel is there... and you will be able to do everything you want with it, until it's so old the battery has to be replaced* and even your current phone has become useless.

* (and you will be able to put a more recent battery in with Nokia)

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522576)

I care. Well, I would have cared if I hadn't just got a secondhand N900 because I thought the N9 was canceled, and if I knew I could remove Meego and put on Maemo.

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523060)

if I knew I could remove Meego and put on Maemo.

Well, this is Maemo. It depends on what you're after, though. I imagine the Maemo 5 UI will be ported to the N9 (Harmattan) eventually, and it's already running on MeeGo. There are no locks on these devices either, like there weren't any on the N900.

Re:The phone I've been wating for . . (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 3 years ago | (#36524170)

So I see, further down in the comments. UI... eh, I am not too worried. It's the Debianish guts I am after.

MeeGo (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521720)

http://lwn.net/Articles/448590/
"""
Warning: This is not MeeGo
Posted Jun 21, 2011 14:48 UTC (Tue) by arjan (subscriber, #36785)
Parent article: Nokia's N9 handset launched

Despite Nokia's best efforts to confuse things, the N9 phone DOES NOT RUN MEEGO.

It runs the Harmattan OS, which isn't related to the MeeGo project at all, and is not compatible with MeeGo even.

It's very unfortunate that these mixed messages are happening, but at least at LWN we can be accurate about it.

-- Arjan who works on MeeGo
"""

Re:MeeGo (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521752)

It runs the Harmattan OS, which isn't related to the MeeGo project at all, and is not compatible with MeeGo even.

Isn't Harmattan the latest version of Maemo before the merge with Meego?

Re:MeeGo (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521780)

More or less. Harmattan is theoretically a hybrid release, with MeeGo elements on top of a Maemo core. If I recall, it was supposed to be API-compatible.

Re:MeeGo (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522090)

More or less. Harmattan is theoretically a hybrid release, with MeeGo elements on top of a Maemo core. If I recall, it was supposed to be API-compatible.

I remember it being positioned as the last in-development version of Maemo with the Meego Qt APIs added, not sure about other Meego APIs.

Re:MeeGo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522500)

It's supposed to be API-compatible, and generally binary-compatible, but not package-compatible.

(Maemo, including Harmattan, is derived from Debian, and uses debian package management. Meego is not really derived from redhat, fedora, or any other desktop distro, but does use redhat package management.)

Re:MeeGo (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522602)

Oh wow, it's Maemo?! Dammit, I thought the N9 was going to be Meego, and then I thought is was canceled because of the WinPhone crap. I might not have bought the N900 a few months ago if I had known about this.

Re:MeeGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521900)

It runs the Harmattan OS, which isn't related to the MeeGo project at all, and is not compatible with MeeGo even.

What a load of BS. "Harmattan, originally slated to become Maemo 6, is now considered to be a MeeGo instance" (Source: Wikipedia article about MeeGo).

Re:MeeGo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521916)

It runs the Harmattan OS, which isn't related to the MeeGo project at all, and is not compatible with MeeGo even.

What a load of BS. "Harmattan, originally slated to become Maemo 6, is now considered to be a MeeGo instance" (Source: Wikipedia article about MeeGo).

ah wikipedia, nothing but undisputable facts

Re:MeeGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522660)

Ah, slashdot, even more undisputable.

Re:MeeGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522950)

Ah, slashdot, even more undisputable.

except you don't refute an unreliable source with an unreliable source, idiot.

Re:MeeGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36524044)

Actually, I do. Double dumbass on you!

N950 too... (4, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521732)

The N950 was also announced with similar specs, as a keyboard-including successor to the N900. I'll laugh my ass off if the N9 takes off to the point where Nokia reconsiders going with WP7 - WP7 isn't a bad system, but a proper, complete, Linux on fast quality hardware is truly awesome.

Re:N950 too... (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521802)

WP7 cannot execute in the background, it's flavor of "multitasking" is just a pause to background, even blackberry OS 4/5 are more advanced than that

Re:N950 too... (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521828)

WP7 can execute in the background, it's just (currently) generally disabled for third-party applications. The Mango update in a few months is expected to offer full multitasking support for all applications.

Re:N950 too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521868)

I think even in Mango, WP7 will only have partial multitasking support to ensure apps don't cause issues with battery life or performance. Apple has also gone this route with multitasking on the iPhone.

Re:N950 too... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521872)

The n950 is only available to developers through the Nokia Launchpad program. It comes without warranty, a smaller battery and lack of NFC support. It will not be sold to consumers. I think this was a serious mistake judging a large segment of the geeky market that will actually buy this phone considers a lack of hardware keyboard a deal breaker.

Re:N950 too... (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523804)

Yea, that's true. I'd like to get my hands on the N950, but the N9 doesn't interest me. I guess I'll keep my OC'd N900 for a couple years, then upgrade to something with a 720p, 6" screen, hardware keyboard, and x86 proc, running Meego(which I'll then strip out for a Kubuntu Mobile/debian setup.

Re:N950 too... (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523812)

s/6"/less than 6"/g

Darn less-than symbol not showing up in plain text mode.

Pandora, Spotify, etc. and WP7 (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522036)

If only media players developed by Microsoft can play music in the background on Windows Phone 7, this privileges Microsoft's music service over third-party music services. I can see how Pandora, Spotify, etc. might have grounds for antitrust complaint against Microsoft.

Re:Pandora, Spotify, etc. and WP7 (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522260)

If only media players developed by Microsoft can play music in the background on Windows Phone 7, this privileges Microsoft's music service over third-party music services. I can see how Pandora, Spotify, etc. might have grounds for antitrust complaint against Microsoft.

Well there really aren't grounds for anti-trust, i mean apple pulls apps because they use APIs that are only available to Apple software, which is what MS got done for with their anti-trust case, but there are more factors to anti-trust than just anti-competitive behavior. Also Apple had the same situation before they introduced multitasking too.
In any case the 'Mango' update allows developers to integrate into the music and videos hub directly and will support multitasking.

Re:N950 too... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521844)

The problem is the N950 will only be available to a select few developers, and will have zero warranty or support. Still, if you can get your hands on one it'd make for a fantastic N900 replacement.

Re:N950 too... (2)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521974)

The problem is the N950 will only be available to a select few developers, and will have zero warranty or support. Still, if you can get your hands on one it'd make for a fantastic N900 replacement.

This.

After seeing what nokia had done with w7, i lost faith. After seeing the lack of keyboard on the n9, I bought an atrix. While i'd like to see maemo/meebo take off, and i dearly loved my n900, I'll be keeping my atrix as having a rooted webtop environment and a walled garden phone makes due for me.

Re:N950 too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522058)

After seeing what nokia had done with w7, i lost faith.

they haven't done anything with it yet.

Re:N950 too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523136)

After seeing what nokia had done with w7, i lost faith.

they haven't done anything with it yet.

Well, they may not have actually done it yet, but they keep giving wp7 a slobbery blow job every time Elop makes a public appearance.

Re:N950 too... (1)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522060)

unfortunately, without another phone already in the pipeline, developers aren't going to flock to this device. It's a chicken and egg thing, the iphone was really the only platform to have customers without apps, and nowadays, you don't have app developers without customers.

Re:N950 too... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522428)

I'll laugh my ass off if the N9 takes off

It would be even funnier if someone figured out how to run Meego on Nokia phones that ship with Windows.

Hell, it would be a scream if there was a way to install Meego on Android phones and jailbroken iPhones, too.

But that's expecting too much. Hoping that the best products will come to market is expecting too much. Hoping that corporations will try to give customers what they want is definitely expecting too much. We've long passed the point where there's anything like real competition. What a shame that the only way we'll ever see real competition is if we have stricter government regulations. I think you could say that our corporate masters have really let us down. We just can't trust them to do the right thing without lots of oversight, no matter how much they squeal about "Free Markets".

Re:N950 too... (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522540)

Hell, it would be a scream if there was a way to install Meego on Android phones and jailbroken iPhones, too.

Totally possible. You can make good progress with a 2.6.35 kernel, albeit sans hardware acceleration for video. If it runs Android, it can run MeeGo as well.

Re:N950 too... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523156)

Why not go all the way with QNX core, QT toolkit and WebOS foundation for the user interface? ... or just run MorphOS ;)

Re:N950 too... (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523526)

N950? Why not just use N9 with a bluetooth keyboard for development? A full-size one even, since you are programming at a desk.
What's the point in having a whole separate model for developers? I expect this was never planned, and the N950 was just not good enough for commercial release. Or cancelled for political/commercial reasons.

Are people really demanding a built-in keyboard for development purposes? Or are programmers just the kind of people who like to type a lot on their regular phones?

Re:N950 too... (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523834)

Both, I'd imagine.
I love my N900's keyboard, though it's only three rows. Makes slashdot posts decent, at 25+wpm. It'd be half of that on a touch screen, which would be intolerable.

Re:N950 too... (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523930)

. Makes slashdot posts decent, at 25+wpm. .

Wow, that is fast! When it comes to typing on the N900, I'm all thumbs.

Impressive, but sluggish (2)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521834)

Looks impressive yet even on very powerful hardware it seems pretty sluggish moving around the UI. Perhaps there's room for optimisations but given this has been in development so long I would have thought it would be pretty slick by now. Certainly looks like this will be used for the really high-end phones, hopefully this will be the ideal 'geek smartphone' that they don't have to box in and dumb-down then with them also taking on WP7 it means they have a dumbed down consumer smartphone device to appease the masses too. It's a win-win.

Android on it? (1)

mrops (927562) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523186)

Considering this is Linux, wonder how long before I can run something like Cynaogen Mod on it.

I have always loved Nokia hardware, it is better than the best, their software unfortunately makes the whole device suck. If I could get Android running on something like this, it will get real close to being a perfect phone.

Re:Android on it? (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523324)

The main issue i see with that is dealing with the lack of hardware buttons.

Who supplied them with AMOLED screens? (2)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521850)

I'm just wondering who supplied NOKIA with AMOLED screens in this device. Anyone know?

Re:Who supplied them with AMOLED screens? (1)

spectrum- (158197) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522208)

Good question, also is the curved surfaced capacitive screen a first too? It's very striking in pictures from some angles

Re:Who supplied them with AMOLED screens? (3, Informative)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522392)

Good question, also is the curved surfaced capacitive screen a first too? It's very striking in pictures from some angles

I can't think of another phone with a capacitive convex screen but the Nexus S has a concave one.

Re:Who supplied them with AMOLED screens? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523374)

Dell Venue Pro has capacitive convex AMOLED screen.

If this phone existed 2 years ago, MSFT (3, Interesting)

rsborg (111459) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521890)

....may not have effectively "owned" Nokia like they do today (Microsoft effectively paid Nokia $1B+ to guarantee WP7 was their prime platform).

I'm not saying it's too little to late, it does look like a fantastic phone with really fluid UI. And it runs Linux without a JVM layer. Nice.

Re:If this phone existed 2 years ago, MSFT (1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522586)

That's certainly true but unfortunately this phone could not have existed 2 years ago with the technology available then. It's a fabulous looking phone though.

Hands on video.. (3, Informative)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 2 years ago | (#36521976)

Engadget has a couple: Nokia N9 first hands on [engadget.com] . It looks quite slick!

Is it even a phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36521996)

From the link "Nokia N9 focuses on the most important things that people do: use apps, get notifications and switch between different activities."

I hope it performs better as a phone than my WM6.5 device. My caller ID doesn't even function while the screen is locked.

Re:Is it even a phone? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522726)

>I hope it performs better as a phone than my WM6.5 device. My caller ID doesn't even function while the screen is locked.

Well, Caller ID works fine for me on the N900, so I would guess it should be fine for that at least.

Some clarifications... (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522030)

The N9 and N950 are not running MeeGo, but the previously in development Harmattan, which is a continuation of the Maemo line. All of the Qt APIs in use by MeeGo as of MeeGo 1.2 are available on the platform, however, and efforts are already underway to ensure that the Community Edition of MeeGo (which is a pure MeeGo platform) is available on the N9.

The N950, sadly, will only be available in limited quantities to commercial/professional developers, with roughly 250 to be handed out to open source developers in the community. Notably, the N950 doesn't have NFC so it can't be used to develop or test NFC applications.

The N9 both is and is not an upgrade to my N900. It's lack of a hardware keyboard, lack of an SD card slot, and capacitive screen are negatives, while the faster and slightly revised omap3630 processor and 1GB of RAM are definite upsides. Additionally, most major European countries plus the US are likely going to be delayed (hopefully just delayed) for the N9 release as Nokia seems to be prioritizing them for WP7.

I will probably get one, as a minor upgrade. Hopefully the price will be reasonable.

Re:Some clarifications... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522896)

This makes sense. I had heard just this week from someone on the project that meego had been killed just a few weeks before the beta date, so seeing this announcement was confusing. Maybe these two phones were too far along in production to kill outright. It will be amusing to see if they turn out to be much better overall than WP7.

It's typical corporate silliness. Kill a project and tell people to throw away all progress made so far then have them start up an essentially similar project only with a different framework.

This is where smart phones are being extremely stupid. The market is not about a phone or smart or anything like that. Instead they're trying to be general purpose computers in your hand. So the apps are considered more important than the project itself. Much like how MS/DOS and Windows became essentially a monopoly because people cared more about whether their favorite applications worked rather than the quality of the OS itself.

When you get right down to it the majority of apps are utterly worthless pieces of junk that are churned out quickly by devs hoping to get in on the boom before it crashes and really only a few apps are worth the effort to obtain and install. And yet the smart phone that supports the most apps will be the winner and the ones that support the best apps or that support apps the best will probably lose out.

Re:Some clarifications... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523014)

I had heard just this week from someone on the project that meego had been killed just a few weeks before the beta date, so seeing this announcement was confusing. Maybe these two phones were too far along in production to kill outright. It will be amusing to see if they turn out to be much better overall than WP7.

The N950, as a consumer model, was killed some time back. This device is likely just a continuation of said same project with a different form factor (it was killed due to the hinge, which the carriers did not like.)

Instead they're trying to be general purpose computers in your hand.

On the contrary, with all other platforms out there they are trying to be like game consoles. With tight vendor control and development restricted to those approved by the platform owner, they get to control everything that goes in and out of the system. They then try to reinforce this by making something up about "ecosystems" and how the only way a phone can be good is if it's inextricably linked to one offered (for a fee) by the platform owner.

Re:Some clarifications... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523866)

The market is not about a phone or smart or anything like that. Instead they're trying to be general purpose computers in your hand.

If only! The phone market is currently about getting people to rely on particular services. And if someone can get you to get used to a service, then you're locked into a monopoly and can't demand tech upgrades. And that's where your MSDOS/Windows comparison comes in.

It won't be as bad this time. Individuals will suffer some lock-in, but there won't be billions of dollars of institutional lock-in. That's why business is still stuck with Windows but people were able to eventually move on. Not that everyone did, but the barriers are very low these days.

Their job is to prevent this freedom and your job is to settle for nothing less than this freedom.

"More room for apps to shine" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522126)

I don't understand bragging about having no physical buttons and how it allows more room for screen, and yet the phone still has pretty much the same amount of screen-less area as every other touch screen phone.

Re:"More room for apps to shine" (1)

spectrum- (158197) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522250)

Moving parts are traditionally points of failure. Remove the stuff that can wear out or fall apart and the device is more reliable and less warranty calls. Combine that with alloy case and Gorrilla glass screen and you can see the advantages. It's also the direction that the industry has been heading as originally steered by Apple design so it's what they think will sell.

Flexing muscles (1)

spectrum- (158197) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522164)

I think this N9 device is more about Nokia flexing it's muscles and showing that they can still compete with HTC and Apple with desirable hardware.

It does cause massive, MASSIVE confusion if you look beyond that. Currently Nokia has the following platforms: Symbian ^3, Symbian S40 (Feature phones aka dumbphones), Windows Phone 7, Maemo 5, Symbian S60 v3 and Symbian S60 v5 (aka Symbian ^1) are all forthcoming or still on sale.

Then there's MeeGo forthcoming as well as this partial implementation of MeeGo on a development only N950 as well as the production N9.

Confused yet? oh there's also a rumour of a final Maemo 6 for the N900 in addition to unsupported development releases of MeeGo for the existing N900. And you can write for ALL of these using the Qt development suite? well now that's another mess...

Re:Flexing muscles (5, Interesting)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522206)

My hope is Symbian for dumbphones, WP7 for most smartphones and Maemo/Meego for the highend linux touchscreen computer phones. That allows Nokia to just continue support at the low end, not have to worry about the software side of the larger smartphone market and to be able to focus on pushing highend devices with their own platform that should appeal to power users.

I'm on WebOS now... (1)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522200)

I had been waiting for MeeGo, but am now happily on a Palm Pre Plus. It's not completely open source but so far they really respect the homebrew community. That doesn't appear to be changing with HP now in charge.

I have longer post on it for those interested [bryanquigley.com]

An excerpt:
HP/Palm really deliver on openness. It’s NOT completely open source. However, they support their homebrew community, and be support I mean they have donated servers to them. All the devices I looked at (haven’t looked at the Veer) ship with the ability to go to developer mode, which really does mean typing in “upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart”. Which is just awesome.. The homebrew site even has (unsupported by Palm) instructions on how to upgrade a WebOS 1.4.5 device to WebOS 2.1 (the veer os).
Part of the homebrew community is patches to change functionality. About 500 of them or so, for instance changing how the date displays, adding alarm options, and a lot more.
Oh, and Ubuntu is a supported developer environment

Convex Screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522228)

I don't care how hard the glass is, chances are I can fuck up any convex screen with a minor fumble.

Re:Convex Screen (1)

spectrum- (158197) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522364)

For many Nokians like me, they'll be moving from resistive screens which although prone to frustrating scratches are remarkably strong. I think the convex will give it more strength actually, curves are generally robust. Like arches in architecture for example. I'm still quite fond of my stylus too on the N900 and N97 and 5800. Great for writing lists in my own handwriting or selecting precise areas on google maps mashups in a browser etc

The three most important (2)

Roduku (950552) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522230)

activities on a phone are running applications, getting notifications and switching between activities. What happened to making phone calls?

Re:The three most important (2)

m4rtink (1994696) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522304)

Well, I have an old 2005 candy-bar Nokia for that, and my N900 for the rest. :)

Re:The three most important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522344)

Looks like you will have to navigate to the phone app. which would likely be about 3 gestures away. It will be hard to break the habit of hitting a send button to bring up the phone interface.

Looks cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522330)

QT while not my favourite API is much better than the competition. Few companies recover from a "partnership" with MSFT, Nokia started to smell funny the moment they signed the deal.

Are there any other companies making meego phones?

Re:Looks cool... (2)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522530)

Meego seem to be going in the opposite direction of android: from netbooks and tablets to phones. The initial example devices of Meego included an Aava phone, but is not one of the main phone manufacturers companies as far i know.

Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (4, Interesting)

divisionbyzero (300681) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522460)

I don't get it. This phone looks great.

Something's rotten in Finland (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522526)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop

Re:Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522760)

Because this looks no more like a "me too" flavour of Android, it has no differentiation from Android with a custom launcher. It would just get tossed into the pile and lost amongst the hundreds of Android phones on the market - the fact is the non-geeks consumers who treat their phone as a piece of electronic gadget and not a pocket-size PC don't care about the underlying bells and whistles of Meego.

WP7, for better or worst, looks and feels completely different.

Re:Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (3, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522934)

The majority of Nokia employees and share holders are asking the same question.

Re:Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523008)

It's fairly simple. Nokia have pulled a Commodore.

Re:Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (2)

hazydave (96747) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523564)

A Commodore? Nope. A "Commodore" is when you have some crazy good technology, spend practically nothing developing or marketing it, and pay managers who know absolutely nothing about your industry way more than the guys at your much larger competitors make. And hey, while you're at it, replace one of your best assets -- the proven engineering managemet team --with q bunch of fools. Who then proceed to delay your next gen products by 6 months, and screw them up along the way. Oh, and sure, also keep huge volumes of the old product around, because you didn't actually believe your proven engineering team would deliver the delayed products in time, so you didn't order enough parts. That was Commodore, '91-'93.

I think Nokia's pulling more of an Osborne. They have a very successful product line, bit aging but still well liked. They could have just concentrated on the current stuff, maybe evolving SymbianOS into MeeGo via a compatibility layer, if SymbianOS was beyond modernization. Or even suggest that Win7Phone would simply join the Nokia lineup. But no, they felt compelled to tell everyone that every current Nokia smartphone is already obsolete, an evolutionary dead end. And that, not only are they going all MS, but basically, there's just no reason to buy a Nokia smartphone for a year or more.

That really was the message delivered if not intended... Adam Osborne didn't intend to starve his company either. Or send all that business to Kaypro, either. This message has not been lost on consumers or the industry, either.... Nokia is in crash and burn mode right now. They can only fall so far -- someone will want the patents.

Re:Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (3, Informative)

fotoguzzi (230256) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522970)

There are a billion reasons.

Re:Can someone tell me why the went with WP7? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523446)

Sorry, while the multitasking looks "great" the UI isn't all that glamorous. It essentially appears to be an Android app list. While its fast, so is iOS doing the same thing, running static icons. Its 2011 now isnt it?

No hw keyboard (2)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522612)

One missing things from all the demos and videos was the virtual keyboard, but part of the love i have for my N900 is for the hardware keyboard it have, The N9 is nicer to look, have more battery (even if you can't replace it), more cpu speed, harder, and a very nice user interface, but is not anymore a computer with phone capabilties, is definately a phone now. Unless the N950 becomes more available than what is announced, probably will have to move to Android or WebOS, or wait till another company fills that niche.

Re:No hw keyboard (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523046)

not anymore a computer with phone capabilties, is definately a phone now

Nah. I don't like the loss of the keyboard but that's no lesser than the N800, which didn't include a keyboard either but was very much a pocket computer. This still retains all the hallmarks of the N900, we'll just have to get creative for the input.

Invoke not the Old Ones (1)

UniAce (713592) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522658)

One would be well advised to avoid accepting favors from the Fungi from Yuggoth [hplovecraft.com] .

The team should spin out (5, Interesting)

renzhi (2216300) | more than 3 years ago | (#36522824)

Some investor with vision, should grab the whole team, and set up a new company to build MeeGo phone, a real convergent mobile device. That way, you won't have the Nokia baggage, you don't have to fight internal politics of a giant corp, you get the excitement and energy of a new start up working on something cool, and best of all, you rid yourselves off that Elop.

Re:The team should spin out (2)

kovari (34550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36524306)

Look up Aava mobile.

Average Consumer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36522834)

Why would the average consumer buy this over Android?

Please Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is! (4, Interesting)

simm_s (11519) | more than 3 years ago | (#36523310)

For all of you Android haters that want a true Linux phone experience! Built with blessed APIs and running the latest mainline Linux kernel. This is your chance to prove us that a phone OS built using a fully open source development methods works. I am sick of going to conferences and hearing about how Android is bad for the community etc and then these same people pull out Apple iPhones. Needed to get that off my chest! :-)

Android? Modding? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36523318)

I was just handed a N950, and I was wondering if anyone knows of a modding community for N9 / N950.
I recall there was an Android port for the N900, maybe someone is working on something similar?

Re:Android? Modding? (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#36524000)

http://talk.maemo.org/ [maemo.org] ...Or you could always donate it to me ;) :P

Who cares about apps.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36524320)

N9 is so complete by itself (look at the list of software pre-loaded!) that who really cares that there won't be millions of rubbish apps available. There will be many apps in any case as QML-based programs will run with little or no modifications on N9 and all the latest Symbian phones.
I plan to buy two of these: blue one for me and pink for my wife.

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