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Tracking Bracelets for Autistic Kids and Senior Citizens

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the wear-them-until-you-learn-your-way-back-home dept.

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The Rocky River Police Department in Cuyahoga County, Ohio has started a pilot program to help find missing autistic children and senior citizens with tracking bracelets. For a monthly fee citizens can get a bracelet from the police department, who can then pinpoint the location of their loved one or object of obsession. From the article: "If someone wearing the bracelet goes missing, a family member or caregiver still must alert the Rocky River Police Department. The person reporting the incident or the police department then will contact EMFinders and give the bracelet serial number worn by the missing person, [police chief] Stillman said. While the police department follows its usual protocol for a missing person, EMFinders will send out a signal to the bracelet. In turn, the bracelet sends a signal to the 911 operator through the Cuyahoga Emergency Communications System (CECOMS)."

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traking the same people the nazis put in camps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529336)

and you have to pay for it?

No potential for misuse here (1)

praedictus (61731) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529344)

Daddy, what happened to grandpa? Well son, his bracelet blew his hand off when he tried to sneak out of the nursing pris^h^h^h^h home.

good luck with that... (2)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529352)

Confused older people with screw and fiddle with it until they break it or remove it by any means necessary.

My credentials? Nurse on a telemetry unit where 90% of my patients are over the age of 70. If they are confused, they'll pull IVs, Central Lines, Foley catheters that are fully inflated...yeah, brilliant idea Ohio, but it ain't gonna work. If someone will pull out a golf ball sized balloon through their penis, a little plastic and fabric bracelet aint gonna stop em.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

drsmack1 (698392) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529422)

Will you change my bedpan? I promise not to hock a lugy down your throat as you lean over me.

Re:good luck with that... (2)

beadfulthings (975812) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529498)

Yah. Five anxious years with an increasingly demented parent made this sound attractive at first. Then I remembered how her regular "safe return" bracelet bruised and scratched her increasingly fragile skin (despite being properly fitted) until we had to stop using it. I think their hearts are in the right place, but a bracelet just won't do it.

Re:good luck with that... (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529796)

that's a good point, about the skin. It needs to be able to be placed into several different form factor. That way you can match it's use to the patients habits. For my Grand Father, a bracelet would be fine. He never had a problem with his watch.
But on a key ring for the many elderly that are physically fine, so when the wander off, there dressed and 'ready to go', or something that can be put in a purse or wallet, or even a necklace.

Maybe even surgically attached.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#36538416)

Yah. Five anxious years with an increasingly demented parent made this sound attractive at first. Then I remembered how her regular "safe return" bracelet bruised and scratched her increasingly fragile skin (despite being properly fitted) until we had to stop using it. I think their hearts are in the right place, but a bracelet just won't do it.

Indeed, we need sub-cutaneous transmitters to keep those old people well and truly tracked (hey, they voted to track the cars of young people (didn't pass fortunately) I say turn about is fair play)

Re:good luck with that... (1)

beadfulthings (975812) | more than 3 years ago | (#36538560)

I normally don't answer answers, but this time I'll make an exception:

Unless and until you've had day and night responsibility for an old person, especially an old person you love and who (once) loved you, there's really not much you can say on the subject. Elderly people with dementia or alzheimer's can and do wander. They become confused. They may be frail, but they can be out of sight in the blink of an eye--into the traffic, into an area of high crime or other danger, onto the construction site next door, into a water-filled ditch. What's worse is that they often wander away in the evening, just as the sun is going down and the rush hour is picking up. There's even a name for it--"sundowning." They require eternal vigilance, but every once in a while you have to go to the bathroom or turn the heat down under the soup you're trying to cook.

The current system, called Safe Return, is a national registry. You sign up, provide phone numbers and other details, and are given a bracelet or pendant with registration number that says something like, "This person has dementia. Please call 1-800-xxx-xxxx and provide the following number: nnnnn." It works as long as the person cooperates in wearing the bracelet or pendant and as long as they're found by a person of fundamental decency--as opposed to, say, a thug.

No, I don't believe that dementia patients or people with autism or any human should have to be microchipped like a pet dog. I do believe there's a problem. In this case the police perceived the problem, took a look at the available technology, and made an attempt to offer a solution. Their understanding of the situation was faulty in several areas, but at least they took a stab at it.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529546)

Confused older people with screw and fiddle with it until they break it or remove it by any means necessary.

As someone with a dementia sufferer in the family, I can attest to that. We put key-finder devices on keys, handbag and coat (things that get lost - read: hidden) alot and need to be found. They have all been removed and nearly destroyed, until I discovered hiding them under linings means they don't get found by said person, allowing us to find lost handbags a little easier.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

scheveningen (305408) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530204)

That sounds familiar. I don't put tracking on those items, but try to help with the hiding. That way I can find those items again.

As for tracking a demented person: that can only be done without the person knowing, if that is legal. That means that batteries must last a long time; frequent charging would attract attention and resistance quite soon.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529606)

Your claim would hold up if you replaced "confused older people" with "children." Those bracelets wouldn't last an afternoon. I can imagine that autistic kids would be less likely to ignore a piece of hardware strapped to them.

Poorly planned in general. Might work if they passed these out with heavy, heavy sedatives.

Re:good luck with that... (2)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529762)

Trust me, a confused older person can become just as preoccupied with something as an autistic child. I've watched Alzheimer patients adjust their bedding for literally *hours* at a time.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530314)

I can't imagine an autistic child to accept ANYTHING near them (especially not touching their body) that they don't know without doing what they can, including trying to cut their hand off, to get that thing off them.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

count_zero451 (1251260) | more than 2 years ago | (#36531048)

Nah, my autistic son would tolerate a plastic bracelet just fine. He'd forget it was there in about 5 minutes. ASD is such a broad spectrum of disease, you'd probably get about the same tolerance of a tracking bracelets as in neurotypical toddlers.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

t33jster (1239616) | more than 2 years ago | (#36533492)

I can imagine that autistic kids would be less likely to ignore a piece of hardware strapped to them.

It would be difficult/impossible to ignore, so a different strategy is in order.

My credentials:

My autistic son has something similar - http://www.projectlifesaver.org/ [projectlifesaver.org] - and the trick was to get him to look forward to having it on. A week or so before we received the bracelet, we started talking about how he was getting a special watch. He shows it off to basically anybody who will talk to him now, which may be a bit annoying, but is worth the peace of mind should he ever wander off.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36548486)

Yes, parent who learn to 'warm up' there child to an idea get far better results.

People who just say 'do what I say' will lead an extremely frustrating and sad life with frustrated and sad kids.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529622)

Foley catheters that are fully inflated...

My testicles retreated after reading that and they're refusing to come down.

I shouldn't have let my testicles read that, I guess. So much for reading /. naked.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529666)

How about the ankle bracelets that they use for people who are under house arrest? Those suckers are pretty hard to get off.

Re:good luck with that... (1)

Dekker3D (989692) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530354)

It's illegal to break those and the wearers know that.. which isn't the case for autistic children and alzheimer-..y elderly. They won't get locked up for "another few years" for breaking it. At worst, they'll be seen as annoying. At best, endearing and cute.

Trust me, given enough time to break it and no incentive not to.. anyone could do it.

Re:good luck with that... (3, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529708)

nice anecdote. To bad the plural isn't data.

Also, short sighted. I can make a bracelet that they need special tools to remove.

Anyways with your issue they are confused and they think they are trapped and want to get out, as opposed to elderly people who just wander off. I would have loved to have this while we where taking care of my grandpa. Too many times I would have to go searching for him. Fortunately most of the time he would just go to the coffee house; where he would leave 100 dollar tip. Interesting note, the waitress where always relieved to return the tip.*

My credentials? spent a summer learning about dementia from scientists and Drs. SO I could write some specialty predictive software. Of courser that's an argument from authority, and a week reason to assume ones personally gathered anecdotal data has any real merit. It's a common mistake

*FtR, we would usually leave 20 as a tip.

Dementia is easy to get rid of. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36534774)

Behave your grandpa to drink raw fresh non-processed cranberry juice straight for 3 days.

That's about 1.5 gallons.

No more Dementia.

Re:good luck with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36531080)

Yep, old folks with Alzheimer are known to always put their tracking bracelet first thing in the morning.

Operator: "Missing serial number please ... OK, this will only take a few seconds. Good news, their at their home address, have you checked the bedroom?".

Re:good luck with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36531098)

They have a secure band for just this sort of thing http://www.emfinders.com/how-it-works/secure-band [emfinders.com]

I have to say OWW!! (1)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | more than 2 years ago | (#36535706)

I mean pulling out an inflated foley catheter would probably be like passing a good sized kidney stone.

Good luck keeping it on (2)

RedACE7500 (904963) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529366)

I have an autistic brother and there's no way he'd keep this on. Autistics have heightened sensitivity and many couldn't stand wearing a strap around their wrist all day.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529436)

Not to worry, the increased agitation of the wearer will serve to make erratic behavior more likely, thus validating the new "security" service while lowering quality of life!

(Incidentally, I don't even qualify as autistic and I can't stand to wear a watch, much less one designed to resist coming off)

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529818)

How the hell does this even qualify as compromising quality of life?

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530030)

Probably in the same way that a cast you can't remove is constantly irritating to people, to the point that some harm themselves or cut it off.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530090)

You obviously aren't cursed with the type of heightened sensitivity the GP is referring to. I have it to a very mild degree, and wasn't able to wear socks, blue jeans, most lace-up shoes, or belts until after puberty, and to this day will scratch my skin raw if a drop of sweat hits the wrong way and I don't have something else to focus on. Someone chaining a bracelet on me before I took up meditation would have been pure torture (and would still drive me batty).

Oh, and yeah, anecdote. Unlike the nurse up there you threw that accusation at earlier.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36548540)

True. I was thinking lower quality if life due to tracking, as opposed the tracking device.

My mistake.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530372)

You are one of the fortunate majority that don't develop instant rashes when something rubs against their skin. I'm not. I cannot wear wristwatches for exactly this reason. No matter what material, if it was made of Teflon it would cause me rashes.

It's even hard for me to pick clothing properly since a lot of textiles have the same effect. It's sometimes pretty hard to tell people I do not have a "very unique taste", it's simply that I have to pick my clothes for my ability to not itch and scratch all day rather than fashion.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529898)

Depends on the type and level of autism. Where they are in the spectrum matters a lot. There are many autistic kids who could do this without a problem. The risk is that they don't pick up on certain 'signal's and are easy targets for abduction because they don't realize they are in danger. And before someone replies about parenting and training, don't.

My daughter is autistic, Aspergers*, and she wears a watch without any problems.

*anyone know of any good books about girls and Aspergers? By an author who isn't a anti-vaccers, it';s all in the poo, 'god can fix it', nut job?

Advice from an autistic adult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530532)

anyone know of any good books about girls and Aspergers? By an author who isn't a anti-vaccers, it';s all in the poo, 'god can fix it', nut job?

I find that the most effective first step by far is to scrap the terms autistic and aspergers, as they tend to permanently confuse neurotypicals.

Next, ignore anything written by an advocate of "autism prevention"; if the author's "solution" is death by abortion, then ignore. Autistics get along well with other autistics, and to try to kill us all is literally like the holocaust [wikipedia.org] .

Realize that every autistic's experience differs wildly from everyone else, and that absolutely nothing other than complete isolation is going to "solve" the problem - that is, make an autistic socially acceptable to neurotypicals.

My advice? Don't force contact with neurotypicals, don't force consumption of television/media, consider a GED as soon as it is an available option, and support careers friendly to autistics, such as nursing, medicine, science, technology, or farming. Avoid sales, marketing, customer service.

Read more at www.autistics.org [autistics.org] .

Finally, don't take advice from neurotypicals about what an autistic needs or wants. You already know one; why not ask her?

Re:Good luck keeping it on (0)

Kiraxa (1840002) | more than 2 years ago | (#36531428)

Depends on the type and level of autism. Where they are in the spectrum matters a lot. There are many autistic kids who could do this without a problem. The risk is that they don't pick up on certain 'signal's and are easy targets for abduction because they don't realize they are in danger. And before someone replies about parenting and training, don't.

My daughter is autistic, Aspergers*, and she wears a watch without any problems.

*anyone know of any good books about girls and Aspergers? By an author who isn't a anti-vaccers, it';s all in the poo, 'god can fix it', nut job?

Sure. A good book about girls and assburgers is a nice thick dictionary to hit yourself in the face with. The proper term is Autistic Psychopathy. There is no fix for it. You can give up any semblance of a life to raise the equivalent of a 5.5 foot dog, or you can do the humane thing and not.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#36532524)

You can give up any semblance of a life to raise the equivalent of a 5.5 foot dog, or you can do the humane thing and not.

Wow, I hope you don't ever find yourself in need of on-going care for something.

Do you have nothing better to do than be a dick when Aspergers [slashdot.org] is mentioned?

Who cares that the correct clinical term is "Autistic Psychopathy" ... are you special because you know that? Or are people who are affected by this simply not worthy of your consideration? Because, seriously, in normal conversation with people, it's usually best to try to downplay using the word "psychopathy", since it's not a term which is well understood/accepted by most people.

But, hey, keep being a dick. (Or an Autistic Psychopath, whichever applies.)

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | more than 2 years ago | (#36534492)

Congratulations, you have been trolled! Have a nice day.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36548700)

WTF are you talking about?

Asperger syndrome is an internationally recognize term for a diagnosis. In fact it is prefered over 'autistic psychopathy'.

I wasn't trying to find a 'fix', I am trying to get more information about raing a girl with it. Most books are written for boys, and the few books for girls are written by quacks.

I am a male. I have never had to menstruate. I want to know how it will impact my daughter we she does start. I want to be able to confidently let her know what to expect to better prepare her for the experience. I am looking for data, fact and studies.

My daughter is not a 'hot dog' and in fact I have no idea why you think people with Aspergers aren't functional.

You're implication that I should kill her is appalling. In fact, you should be banned.

It depends what you're after (1)

Sparx139 (1460489) | more than 2 years ago | (#36536602)

An interesting read is send in the idiots [amazon.com] (named after a phrase a classmate would say over and over), which is a bit of a mash-up of philosophy and science. It essentially explores autism - it's a series of anecdotes as the author tries to track down everyone he went to school with. While this is dealing with autism rather than aspergers, a lot of it translates over (I've got aspergers myself), it gives a bit of insight into how we tick.

If you were after a more concrete, "help me deal with problems" book then I doubt you'll find much out there. Aspergers affects everyone differently, so even if you can find something there's no guarantee it would be any help (For example, I'm hypersensitive to light and sound, wheras someone else might not be able to concentrate if they're wearing jeans). Rather, I suggest you check out this website [wrongplanet.net] . The views are diverse to say the least (ranging from hating ASD to loving it), but most people are well balanced and if you have any queries they should be more than happy to help you out

Re:It depends what you're after (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36548740)

Specifically, dealing with her social pressures and emotions when she hits puberty, because I got two brothers, and my mom had tubal ligation when I was 5, so my experience is limited to picking up pads for my wife.

Re:It depends what you're after (1)

Sparx139 (1460489) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552972)

My (neurotypical) sister swears by Kaz Cooke's Girl Stuff [penguin.com.au] , which has anything and everything to do with growing up from physical and emotional changes through to social stuff and beyond. If she's one of the people who is fine once they know how things work, then Queen Bees and Wannabes [amazon.com] is also great - it essentially acts as a roadmap to dealing with adolescent bullshit (the movie Mean Girls is based on the model given in this book).

If she's anything like me, the best advice anyone can give is help her to understand the why. Generally speaking, if there's a system or mechanic to what's happening, we aspies are a lot happier with it than "it is what it is". Of course, I don't actually know her but if she fits this description, perhaps try and find a book that actually explains what's happening inside her body in terms that she can understand (sorry, no specific suggestion) -- just go into a local bookshop and ask if they have anything for girls growing up. Mentioning Aspergers likely won't bring up anything useful, and will send the staff in the wrong direction.
The main issue you'll find is a lot of advice will try to classify everything as being to do with aspergers, when in fact it has to do with a kid becoming a teenager. From what you've said, try and find books that are written by people with Aspergers Syndrome or Autism. They're out there, you just need to have a look (I had Freaks, Geeks and Aspergers Syndrome [amazon.com] , but that's more for guys than girls). And because I can't pass up the opportunity to mention it, an absolutely adorable book is All cats have Aspergers Syndrome [amazon.com]

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

orngjce223 (1505655) | more than 3 years ago | (#36536724)

Probably OT (thus why no karma bonus), but yeah, Aspergirls [amazon.com] is pretty good.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530710)

It depends on the child. My nephew did not have a problem wearing it but it did chafe the skin. Once he got a little older we stopped using it.

Also, this is not new. Our town had this program in place over five years ago.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

Thorrablot (590170) | more than 2 years ago | (#36531484)

I suspect my 8 year old, low-functioning ASD son would also not keep on a wrist bracelet, but I'm intrigued enough in this article that I'm going to buy him a cheap watch and see what he does. The form-factor may be an issue. Given my son's level of functioning (barely verbal), if there was a safe implant tech available (and affordable) that would let me track him within ~1/2 mile, and had a failsafe to start transmitting a locator signal to authorities once he exceeded the range of one of the families smartphones (or some device), I'd buy it, and I suspect many other parents of low-functioning ASD kids would as well.

Re:Good luck keeping it on (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36536840)

Anecdotal blanket statements like this are invalid. Autism, and I have it, is a spectrum disorder. It effects different people in different ways. Just because your brother, and probably a few more autistic kids, can not handle the bracelet does not mean that thousands of other autistic children won't wear it. The fact that some autistic children will not tolerate it does not men it should not be tried.

Why not just give them a iPhone? (5, Funny)

drsmack1 (698392) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529392)

That works for tracking everyone else.

Re:Why not just give them a iPhone? (2)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529772)

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-05-27/ [dilbert.com]

AKA: employee locator

Re:Why not just give them a iPhone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530110)

Re:Why not just give them a iPhone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529934)

If they're anything like my grandma, it'll be broken as soon as we go home after visiting her.

Definitely a decent source of bogons.

symbolised barcode quick ID, oh yeah... (1)

Onuma (947856) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529400)

How long until this is used in the wrong way? Most people with access to the system would never do such a thing, but sooner or later it will become abused.

theme park rented "kid trackers" (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529570)

So parents could find them if separated. I heard a story about this two years ago and nothing since. I have no idea of the popularity.

Re:theme park rented "kid trackers" (0)

anyGould (1295481) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529700)

Good grief, what ever happened to "keeping an eye on your child"?

Re:theme park rented "kid trackers" (2)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530180)

Two words. Shit happens.

Even the most well-meaning parent can get overwhelmed in a crowd surge or the kid could decide to tear off suddenly. It's not a substitute for watchful parenting but it can be useful additional tool in the toolkit. It also allows the kid to have a modicum of self-control, since mom and dad don't have to be glued to their hand all day.

Re:theme park rented "kid trackers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530498)

"Good grief, what ever happened to "keeping an eye on your child"?" -

So says somebody without kids, or who has kids but also doesn't spend much time supervising them. Over a span of 1 year we "lost" my 4, then 5, year old son in 2 locations. First in Marineworld in Canada at Niagara Falls while waiting for the killer whale show my dad had him on his shoulders and put him down. And bam he was gone. Took it upon himself to go find his mother who was in the splash free zone. Second at an indoor waterslide place we spent the entire day hovering over him after the Niagara Falls incident. Just as we were about to leave his slightly older brother went down a big slide. My wife and I both bent over to pick him out of the water and his little brother was gone. After not wanting to go on any slide for the whole day he decided to go down one. Running around like a maniac checking the bottom of many pools for a lifeless body is not a fun way to end your day.

So yes, we should all keep our eyes on our kids, and fortunately nothing bad happened to my kid, he just wandered, but f@ck, looking for your little kid in a big crowded place full of water is rough. And this bracelet woudln't have helped in either of these instances I know, but it might've eased my nevres just a bit.

Re:theme park rented "kid trackers" (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 2 years ago | (#36532304)

I was at dizzyworld with my brothers family, so there were 2 1/2 adults to keep an eye on 2 rambunctious boys.
Nevertheless, the youngest (mebbe about 5yo) managed to get himself separated in short order.(last I remember was him running around jumping on the lights embedded in the paving blocks. Fortunately, he remembered the advice given at the gate, 'tell someone in THOSE clothes that your family is lost', which is exactly what he he did, everything turned out well, non-roller-coaster adrenaline spikes not withstanding and he really appreciated getting the free lollipop out of the deal.
The only thing worse than dealing with young children in public venues is dealing with teachers using Apple products.

Re:symbolised barcode quick ID, oh yeah... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529922)

wrong way, how?

Re:symbolised barcode quick ID, oh yeah... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530526)

It's a small way from "you can" track a kid to "you must". Especially in an ever growing nanny state.

Re:symbolised barcode quick ID, oh yeah... (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530592)

Your tin foil hat isn't on tight enough, it's not cutting off all circulation. And that means the gubmint mind control rays can still get in.

Re:symbolised barcode quick ID, oh yeah... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36548756)

Slippery slope fallacy.

Re:symbolised barcode quick ID, oh yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575144)

If this is only applied to autistic kids and old people who have lost their mental faculties, I don't really see much potential for abuse. It is the police that have access to the tracker, so the police (and the company running the service) can find that person and I don't see why they'd care to track these people other than when they have to.

Autistic Kids and Senior Citizens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529432)

And then all kids, and all senior citizens, and felons, and immigrants, people on the do-not-fly list, anyone accused of DUI, anyone who demonstrates against the government, anyone who votes for the losing party, and finally, equality - tracking bracelets for all.

PS is it Autistic (Kids and Senior Citizens), or (Autistic Kids) and Senior Citizens?

Re:Autistic Kids and Senior Citizens (1)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529630)

PS is it Autistic (Kids and Senior Citizens), or (Autistic Kids) and Senior Citizens?

probably "autistics, kids and seniors, citizens". only two missing "s" and a strangely placed "and" but I'll blame the writer of TFS

Re:Autistic Kids and Senior Citizens (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530636)

And then all kids, and all senior citizens, and felons, and immigrants

The Slippery Slope [nizkor.org] fallacy in its purest form.

The caretakers of the elderly are often elderly themselves. There is a need here.

A good idea! (1)

Dr.Bob,DC (2076168) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529446)


These are a great idea and should help keep people safe.

I only hope that they start to look at the causes of these issues more closely. The classic Wakefield study of vaccine-induced autism was all but buried by the Big Pharma controlled media. Elderly people get dementia from poor diet and sedentary lifestyles which promote subluxation development.

I know several Chiros and Naturopaths who have successfully treated Autism with Chelation Therapy. There IS hope, but we must stop the damage before its done. Forget vaccines, maintain a well functioning nervous system and your body will heal itself.

MAXIMIZED LIVING!

Re:A good idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529592)

Eh, these trolls got tiresome a while ago, and they only thing you really had going for you was your dedication to generally getting first post. Without first, you're just another failure of a troll, like those assholes who post goatse links 400 comments into the thread like someone might actually click them.

Re:A good idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529834)

Go to fucking hell, chironut. You really can't be serious.

You should chiro love the HOSTS file guy and generate the worlds most retarded child.

Re:A good idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529972)

It's all dandy and fine saying "with a functioning neural net, your body will heal", but what about tick-borne encephalitis, which attacks the nervous system itself, but can be prevented by a vaccine?

Tracking bracelets (1)

Neil_Brown (1568845) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529452)

Why would I want to do that? Do bracelets abscond that often?

It takes 2 free hands to remove the device (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36529462)

It uses a 2 handed clasp. In theory you cannot get it off by yourself as the wearer.

Re:It takes 2 free hands to remove the device (1)

Tukz (664339) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529574)

Isn't that the idea?
So the person in question, just doesn't take it off in confusion or whatever.

two such devices failed in Denver this month (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529534)

In one case the 10-year old girl drowned and the other the other 11-year old boy was found alive overnight. There were media alerts to look for the victims before they were found. Water may have killed the first device or blocked its signal, although its not supposed to. The forensic analysis is not completed yet. Guardians are supposed to check batteries and devices every week.

Re:two such devices failed in Denver this month (1)

Lunoria (1496339) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529954)

Guardians are supposed to check batteries and devices every week.

That there makes it unlikely to work. People will check these thing initially and then after a few months they won't check as often. Especially if there haven't been any problems.

Re:two such devices failed in Denver this month (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#36534362)

EG: Smoke detectors. When was the last time you checked it and/or changed your batteries? Do you test them ever month and change the batteries every 12 months as recommended?

Re:two such devices failed in Denver this month (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 2 years ago | (#36534844)

Probably not, but that's because everyone knows they are supposed to beep when the battery gets weak and usually waits until they do so.

Re:two such devices failed in Denver this month (1)

xero314 (722674) | more than 2 years ago | (#36532084)

Guardians are supposed to check batteries and devices every week.

If Guardians where capable of checking things regularly then they wouldn't need these devices in the first place.

Re:two such devices failed in Denver this month (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 2 years ago | (#36532470)

> If Guardians where capable of checking things regularly then they wouldn't need these devices in the first place. Incorrect. You cant watch someone 1440 minutes a day. These children can still be curious and clever and wander off on adventures.

Government control. (0)

Reservoir Penguin (611789) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529912)

This is a first step for government control of all citizens. Really, unless they got Alzheimers a "senior citizen" does need to be tracked because they are not in any danger of getting lost. But now they are gonna first force anyone over 60 to wear this, then after the program is deemed successful according to some cooked statistics the age bracket will be lowered to 50 and so on. At the same time they will be putting pressure from below, pretty much anyone now can be diagnosed with autism or ad and forced to take medication and wear the bracelet until they are out of college at least.

Re:Government control. (1)

kevinNCSU (1531307) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530582)

So anyone except who the system is specifically designed for doesn't need it? also where did you get the idea that now they're going to force people to wear it? Even the summary says you have to ASK for one and then you have to PAY in order to get and use it. God forbid the government interfere with our rights by providing a optional service in a capitalist fashion.

In Korea (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#36529948)

only old people wear bracelets

Like those? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530024)

Like those? [campist.com]

I'm sure that's going to be popular.

These things fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530032)

I don't know if it's the exact model as what was being used in Colorado, but there were two failures within a week this month. The law enforcement had to be called out to do a night search for a kid that wandered off. A couple rangers found him unhurt around 2 am.

Or, skipping Officer "kill the dogs first"... (1)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530310)

...You could just get them a cell phone on a family plan, authorize tracking of it, then watch their movements in something resembling realtime on the cell provider's website. That way, when Grandpa heads down to the basement to rub one out, you don't need to start a six-county manhunt.

Or better, stop playing games and just put 'em in a home. If you don't have the time to monitor someone like that 24/7 (ie, if you have to actually work for a living), you shouldn't have custody of them. For their sake and your own, place them in an environment that can properly care for them.

Re:Or, skipping Officer "kill the dogs first"... (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530404)

$4,600 a month for nursing home care. $4,600.

Medicare beds are virtually nonexistent, or are in the most awful of homes.

It's not a choice I would casually make for anyone I cared about.

That said, if you have any family member that you remotely think you'll be responsible for as they age... buy long-term care insurance NOW.

Should be required for all politicians... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530396)

... with the location information public. After all, if you have nothing to hide...

Cheaper alternatives exist (1)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530598)

Lock grandma in the basement and she won't wander off. Then invest all the money you save on monitoring fees in BitCoins.

That thing is awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36530608)

That thing is awesome! It's lo-jack for whatever you can attach it to. I wonder how much it costs?

It's a pity Slashdot is afraid of it for fear of someone somewhere somehow abusing the device. How about we support a little freedom of choice in here and let people make up their own minds whether they want one of these. And if you're worried about the government getting these, well, I have some bad news for you.

Law & Order (1)

Saishuuheiki (1657565) | more than 2 years ago | (#36530700)

Wasn't there a Law & Order episode with an autistic kid that had a tracking bracelet but took it off?

While the idea of putting it on those willing with autism or alzheimer's, if it can be taken off the problem still exists

use ALZlocate on an Android (1)

jbrohan (1102957) | more than 2 years ago | (#36531150)

Alzheimer wandering is very stressful for the family, especially the partner. http://www.alz-locate.com/ [alz-locate.com] outlines the way this works... free for 2 weeks, and the $20 for 2 years. A son living in a distant city can get a call from his grandmother "Fred didn't come back from his walk. Can you see where he is on your computer?" The old Lady just has to keep the phone charged and in his pocket. The watcher can do the rest. You can tell her where he is. For /. readers the encryption and hashing are quite interesting. No person's name ever gets into the system, and everything except the optional email is irreversibly hashed (the email is there only for a forgotten password). There is no need to know who the watcher or the wanderer is, just where he is!

Whose consent? (1)

professorguy (1108737) | more than 2 years ago | (#36531462)

The article didn't say the subject of the tracking had to ask for it, just their family members. That's not consent. And if these people are incapable of giving consent, then THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN IT. And that's a problem.

How about we force YOU to wear one, for your own good of course. YOU may not agree, but all of us here who really care about what happens to you have decided for you. What's the problem? It's a voluntary program--it was voluntary for us.

Re:Whose consent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36533510)

It is legally consent when the caretaker has a durable power of attorney (which are voluntarily entered into) or a conservatorship (which are not) for the family member.

Which is almost always the case for Alzheimers and other Dementia patients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_attorney

I've seen a cut down version of these. (1)

ethicalcannibal (1632871) | more than 2 years ago | (#36533210)

I've worked with these on a smaller scale. The version that looks like a watch for small scale dementia/mental health/alzheimer's locked units. They work great, until you find the watch attacked to the cat's collar, on a different patient, or behind the toilet.

Nothing's Perfect (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36536782)

To all the "they'll take it off', "it will fail", "Autistics won't wear it", etc get a grip. No single solution will work with all people all the time but throwing a system that can protect 90% of the people wearing it is a good thing. Just because it is not perfect does not mean it should not be done.

DIY (1)

bitingduck (810730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36542224)

You can DIY for $120 plus the cost of a cell plan with unlimited messaging. There are GPS cat trackers available that weigh about 50 grams and are the size of a couple of quarters and will send you a text with the location of the device, either automatically or on command.

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