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LulzSec Posts First Secret Document Dump

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the lacks-charismatic-public-face dept.

Government 835

Dangerous_Minds writes "LulzSec has been vowing to expose government secrets for the last few days. Now they have delivered. According to ZeroPaid, LulzSec has posted secret documents about Arizona Law Enforcement. The release has been posted to file-sharing website ThePirateBay. LulzSec says the release is because they are 'against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona.'"

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835 comments

AZ isn't anti-immigrant (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549144)

It's anti-illegal-immigrant. There's a difference.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549154)

Shut up faggot, go fuck yourself you piece of Uncle Sam cock-sucking shit

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549158)

Let's face it: they're "anti-Mexican".

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (5, Interesting)

Libertarian001 (453712) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549240)

You really are stupid. I live in AZ. My immediate supervisor is 100% ethnic Mexican (and his grandfather immigrated here). His stance? Fully supports SB1070. It's anti-illegal-immigration.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (4, Insightful)

William Ager (1157031) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549294)

It's worth noting that Mexicans from more affluent areas, and more central areas in general, often are quite racist against Mexicans from border areas. It isn't hard to find people who immigrated to the US from Mexico City and dislike Mexicans from Tijuana more than white supremacists do.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549492)

Mexicans are a different race from Mexicans?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (4, Informative)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549580)

Yes [wikipedia.org]

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549604)

it's not worth noting.

and it's very hard to find those people.

it's a lot easier to find people who are sympathetic, but want the law enforced.

someone please mod William Ager and his fantasy land into the ground.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549330)

He won't be so supportive when he gets asked for papers because he is a mexican. The issue with SB1070 is racial profiling. That is the issue.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549334)

How many legally inmigrated Mexican-Americans currently live and work in Arizona? Is your supervisor some type of moral leader to them? Are you familiar with high-school level statistics? Do I care about what your supervisor thinks about SB1070?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2, Insightful)

stinerman (812158) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549428)

He may fully support SB1070. Good for him. It's still a bill that is anti-brown people.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549506)

He may fully support SB1070. Good for him. It's still a bill that is anti-brown people.

Please read the bill and quote the "anti-brown people" portion of it.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2, Troll)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549502)

What's your point?

I'm all for enforcing immigration laws (though I do believe it should be done at the federal level), but that does not mean stopping people for driving while dark-skinned and asking for their papers is anything less than inherent and frankly disgusting racism, codified into law.

That much I will never support, and I really could not care less if you happen to know a Mexican who does.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549586)

You need to get your information from somewhere other than LaRaza.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (4, Informative)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549640)

Read the damn law. They can not be stopped randomly and checked for immigration status. Only after they are detained for some other reason can they ask for immigration status. And yes this could be circumvented by individual police officers but that is true for a whole list of different types of charges. The people complaining about his law are automatically assuming the entire police force are racists and will ignore the law which is a rather insulting and unsupported accusation. Anyway how is this any different than anyone else getting stopped by the police and being asked for identification such as a drivers license?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0, Troll)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549530)

The parent isn't stupid. AZ is doing everything they can to make life unpleasant for anyone who even speaks spanish, never mind is an immigrant from south america. Your response is essentially the "but I have a black friend" defense. Oh so you have a supervisor who is Mexican and he supports it? Even if that is true, why should we care? Would it justify prop 8 if a gay guy supported it?

The bill is racist and furthers the police state mentality that is seeing our basic rights abandoned in a race to the bottom.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549636)

You should visit the rest of Arizona sometime.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549652)

This moron is modded Interesting?

If Germans were coming across the Mexico border by the thousands and staying we'd have the same problem.

America welcomes anyone who goes through the proper process.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (5, Insightful)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549172)

Unfortunately, many can't distinguish between the two positions. My legal immigrant friends sure can.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549420)

Unfortunately, many can't distinguish between the two positions. My legal immigrant friends sure can.

Since many can't distinguish between the two positions, I assume many can't either distinguish between an ilegal and a legal inmigrant. Won't this result in unnecesaty police attention torwards your legal inmigrant friends, specially those that have genetic characteristics proper of another nations?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549584)

Do you have proof that it will in FACT cause unnecessary police attention? It's curious that the people who say that it's not fair to ASSUME someone is illegal are ASSUMING police will racially profile.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1, Insightful)

MichaelKristopeit500 (2018072) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549180)

it's anti-citizen. every time i drive through arizona, gestapo checkpoints operated by the border patrol force me to stop my car for inspection. trained dogs circle my car while i'm asked interrogated. innocent until proven guilty? no-cause traffic stops? this is the america arizona provides. there is most certainly a difference.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (4, Insightful)

Libertarian001 (453712) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549248)

Border Patrol? You mean from U.S. Customs and Border Protection? The Federal Agency? Why are you bringing this up in a conversation about a state law?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

MichaelKristopeit501 (2018074) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549424)

the state highway patrol was also on the scene and didn't seem to mind the violation of my constitutional rights.

arizona condones the border patrols actions and actively enables them.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549292)

gestapo checkpoints operated by the border patrol force

Border patrol are Federal officers, not Arizona's... In other words, you fail...

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

MichaelKristopeit501 (2018074) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549534)

the state highway patrol was also on the scene and didn't seem to mind the violation of my constitutional rights .

arizona condones the border patrols actions and actively enables them.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549304)

As opposed to the people who own land near the border who have to deal with a constant stream of "undocumented workers" and drug smugglers coming across their property breaking into outbuildings and destroying their property, or the schools and tax payers who have to bear the brunt of supporting the happy go lucky extra-legal immigrant population.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549356)

1) Legalize drugs
2) Every human has unalienable rights and the richest nation on earth has a Constitutional duty to provide them.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549484)

Can you provide a reference to the part of the constitution that says the U.S. has a duty to protect non-citizens who are here illegally? And please, feel free to pay for the education and medical bills for these non-citizens.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549520)

2) Every human has unalienable rights and the richest nation on earth has a constitutional duty to provide them to its citizens and those willing to immigrate the legal way.

FTFY

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549536)

2) Every human has unalienable rights and the richest nation on earth has a Constitutional duty to provide them.

Assuming that that's true, why aren't they crossing into China?

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549432)

Right, because all illegal immigrants commit crimes. It's not that they're looking to move to a country that's safer where they can work their asses off for less than minimum wage to make a better future for themselves. Nope, that could NEVER be the case.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (5, Insightful)

SQL Error (16383) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549470)

Right, because all illegal immigrants commit crimes.

Ahem.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549308)

Those are federally owned and operated checkpoints which Arizona has no control over. You'll see them in Texas and New Mexico as well as other states. To every citizen of the US they are clearly un-constitutional suspicion-less checkpoints, but the Supreme Court ruled that they're okay.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1)

MichaelKristopeit502 (2018076) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549674)

the state highway patrol was also on the scene and didn't seem to mind the violation of my constitutional rights.

arizona condones the border patrols actions and actively enables them .

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549198)

Yea, I mean, all they're asking is that anyone who fits a certain racial profile prove that they're legal. I don't know how you can call that racial profiling.

I dont mind (1)

Drake_Casanova (1333347) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549260)

as long as they don't loiter around everywhere or destroy my rental property lol.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549312)

BS: Arpaio and company hate everything with brown skin. Stop deluding yourself. SB1070 does not target "illegal" immigrants, it targets latinos. Period.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549366)

The dirty little secret is that it actually targets Canadians. End any of your sentences in "eh" or slip in an "aboot" and you're aboot to get yourself stranded in the desert.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

JackSpratts (660957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549338)

lol. right.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549350)

What? Are you kidding me. I got stopped twice in arizona during the first week of the that law and I'm not even part mexican!

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2, Insightful)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549392)

No, it's not. It claims to be anti-illegal-immigrant, but it's really just white supremacy. Even native-born citizens have been picked up and imprisoned for months because somebody suspected they were illegal. No proof required. There was a case where a guy was imprisoned in...either Arizona or New Mexico. For months. He was forced to work for $1/day to earn the money to purchase a copy of his birth certificate from the federal government to prove he was a legal citizen. (So much for "Innocent until proven guilty") Another case up here in Pennsylvania, a man (again, a legal citizen, not sure if he was native-born) was arrested and held by ICE for 3 days despite having his valid driver's license and social security card in his wallet at the time of his arrest...strictly because of his last name. It sounded like he might be foreign, so ICE ordered he be detained.

If even native-born citizens are being picked up and imprisoned for months under OLD laws, what do you think the effect will be of making those laws harsher?

Besides, even if nobody legal gets arrested, SB1070 still effectively legalizes police harassment of anybody who's skin is darker than a certain shade of brown. And they require that you carry identification with you. This is not a legal requirement anywhere else in America. This is not Nazi Germany, we should not be required to carry our papers. Of course, if you're white, you aren't. It's just brown people who are being required to carry papers...

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (2)

anagama (611277) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549632)

I'm as anti-police state as you can get, and the story you tell if true would be very seriously egregious. However, you should do the google work and post a citation. There is one fact in the story that is glaringly wrong -- the Feds don't keep birth certificates, states do that. Secondly, it wouldn't take months of labor to earn enough to get a copy -- I would guess the usual price is $15-30, so two weeks to a month.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (4, Informative)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549646)

No, it's not. It claims to be anti-illegal-immigrant, but it's really just white supremacy. Even native-born citizens have been picked up and imprisoned for months because somebody suspected they were illegal. No proof required. There was a case where a guy was imprisoned in...either Arizona or New Mexico. For months. He was forced to work for $1/day to earn the money to purchase a copy of his birth certificate from the federal government to prove he was a legal citizen. (So much for "Innocent until proven guilty") Another case up here in Pennsylvania, a man (again, a legal citizen, not sure if he was native-born) was arrested and held by ICE for 3 days despite having his valid driver's license and social security card in his wallet at the time of his arrest...strictly because of his last name. It sounded like he might be foreign, so ICE ordered he be detained.

I keep up with this stuff pretty closely, and never heard either one of these. Can't find anything that sounds even remotely similar on google. I suspect you're making things up.

SB1070 still effectively legalizes police harassment of anybody who's skin is darker than a certain shade of brown.

It doesn't do anything of the sort, of course.

And they require that you carry identification with you. This is not a legal requirement anywhere else in America.

The requirements for carrying identification/immigration paperwork are exactly the same as the federal laws.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549554)

Now, now, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Perhaps we should postpone the discussion until after we've all had a chance to read the documents.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549606)

It's anti-illegal-immigrant. There's a difference.

To a lawyer or a Republican.

Does it fucking matter? (0)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549656)

Are illegal immigrants somehow less human than their legal counterparts, and therefore less worthy of our concern and support? You are an asshole if you think so. And don't give me some "they broke the law" bullshit. Everyone breaks the law every day. At least they did it because they were trying to earn a living for themselves and their families. An unjust law is unworthy of the name.

Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549670)

Not to those idiots there isn't.

I happen to agree with you, AZ just wants the power to enforce the laws and boot criminals.

And i personally refuse to refer to them using the 'tamer' term "illegal immigrants", as they are criminals, plain and simple.

Lol they arent against anything (1)

Drake_Casanova (1333347) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549152)

We all know they claim they are against anything that their little scripts can penetrate. I really doubt anti-social surbuban white teens have interest in anti-immigration laws.

Re:Lol they arent against anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549194)

Especially UK based ones like the chavs here

Re:Lol they arent against anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549210)

Of course anti-social suburban white teenagers have an interest in fighting anti-immigration laws. Who do you think they get their pot from? It's obvious. Spicks that jump the border with 10 pounds of hooch shoved up their ass.

Re:Lol they arent against anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549266)

Of course anti-social suburban white teenagers have an interest in fighting anti-immigration laws. Who do you think they get their pot from? It's obvious. Spicks that jump the border with 10 pounds of hooch shoved up their ass.

Maybe the broke ass ones. I prefer to hit up the white kid down the street who has the home-grown killer.

Re:Lol they arent against anything (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549658)

Of course anti-social suburban white teenagers have an interest in fighting anti-immigration laws. Who do you think they get their pot from? It's obvious. Spicks that jump the border with 10 pounds of hooch shoved up their ass.

Maybe the broke ass ones. I prefer to hit up the white kid down the street who has the home-grown killer.

FYI: he shoves it up there too to match the foreign flavor.

Re:Lol they arent against anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549262)

Racist against white people?

Re:Lol they arent against anything (1)

Wandering Fire (2214566) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549382)

They can penetrate anything. If they can hack the senate, what's safe?

Who knew? (1, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549246)

A state mirroring federal law, is anti-immigrant. I mean seriously here. You have the feds who refuse to enforce the law, you have a state creating a law that mirrors it, and they're anti-immigrant? Hardly. Anti-illegal immigrant indeed and I have no problems with that.

Re:Who knew? (1)

bennett000 (2028460) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549300)

Anti-illegal immigrant indeed and I have no problems with that.

you do realize the US is dependent upon illegal immigration to fill low paying jobs like picking fruit, landscaping, and general cheap day labour?

Re:Who knew? (3, Insightful)

shellster_dude (1261444) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549364)

You don't have a problem with continuing a process that allows a whole sub-culture of people to be treated like slaves, paid almost nothing, worked in unsafe environments, and have no representation because you don't want to pay a buck fifty more for you produce?...what a disgusting position. I think you'd have been more in comfortable in the 1800's in the south.

Re:Who knew? (4, Insightful)

geekforhire (300937) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549412)

Bingo. People that support illegal immigration just cant seem to grasp that they are supporting a system that exploits people that have no protection under the law. Also..dont give me that 'jobs you wont do' crap. I will happily pay more for fruit if the worker that picked it was making at least minimum wage and I know a ton of people without jobs that will take *anything* at this point.

Re:Who knew? (0, Flamebait)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549464)

I will happily pay more for fruit if the worker that picked it was making at least minimum wage and I know a ton of people without jobs that will take *anything* at this point.

So, you'd trade one exploited group of people for another - so long as they're American? So, what you're saying is you're not racist, you're a xenophobe. Ah, thanks for clearing that up. For once I really wish one of you white people would realize that YOU are immigrants and the progeny of immigrants. GTFO of OUR land and stop acting like you own the place or have any goddamn right to say who can and cannot enter. Want to think you have a problem because of "illegals?" Try walking a trail of tears you selfish fucks. Oh, I should note I'm 100% Cherokee.

Re:Who knew? (1)

aevan (903814) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549612)

So you immigrated earlier. Don't recall anywhere (scientific) claiming humans originated in North America.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549690)

So, you'd trade one exploited group of people for another - so long as they're American? So, what you're saying is you're not racist, you're a xenophobe. Ah, thanks for clearing that up. For once I really wish one of you white people would realize that YOU are immigrants and the progeny of immigrants. GTFO of OUR land and stop acting like you own the place or have any goddamn right to say who can and cannot enter. Want to think you have a problem because of "illegals?" Try walking a trail of tears you selfish fucks. Oh, I should note I'm 100% Cherokee.

I have to follow these laws, so does everyone else who came here. Why should people who aren't citizens in the U.S. be granted amnesty from the laws the rest of us who chose to emigrate legally have to follow?

Re:Who knew? (1)

xantonin (1973196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549394)

Anti-illegal immigrant indeed and I have no problems with that.

you do realize the US is dependent upon illegal immigration to fill low paying jobs like picking fruit, landscaping, and general cheap day labour?

You do realize the US has a high unemployment rate and a LOT of Americans would actually be happy to get any job at all? You do ALSO realize those people you claim we "depend" on don't pay taxes to do those cheap jobs? In fact, your taxes go to most of them who go on welfare and other government benefits, but they don't contribute shit.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549396)

You do realize there is a free market and that wages might actually rise to the point that Americans want the jobs, right?

Re:Who knew? (1)

kylemonger (686302) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549416)

Unproven assertion. Those jobs might be filled by legal immigrants or American citizens if the employers were willing to raise wages. People who don't want to live in firetraps or rusting trailers or fourteen to an apartment need better pay before they will consider those often back-breaking jobs. They want disability insurance (or at least to be able to afford it) in case they fall off a roof and literally break their back. They want the laws of supply and demand to work in their favor for a change; if legal labor is in short supply, raising wages is supposed to be the answer, not bringing in illegal labor.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549456)

Anti-illegal immigrant indeed and I have no problems with that.

you do realize the US is dependent upon illegal immigration to fill low paying jobs like picking fruit, landscaping, and general cheap day labour?

If you put a stop to that, the jobs would pay more and unemployment would drop.

A cynic might observe that the same politicians that support illegal immigration also tend to be the ones that benefit from keeping people dependent on collecting unemployment rather than being able to provide for themselves.

Re:Who knew? (1)

jcoy42 (412359) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549460)

Not true. Businesses have become dependent on illegals for that stuff, not the US.

Arizona doesn't even let kids deliver newspapers anymore because they want to give the low paying jobs to adults who need work- not just whoever wants some extra cash.

There is no reason the US should be supporting Mexico financially when the US is in the financial shape it is in. Illegal immigrants work here, get paid in US dollars and take it back to Mexico to spend. That's not helping.

I'm an AZ resident, and I have found myself in the position of being unemployed and being THANKFUL that an illegal got deported because it opened up a job opportunity for me. The business wasn't thrilled to lose a trained worker, but it ended up being a good summer job for me. Would I want to do that job now? Not really. But at the time it was the difference between working and not working, and I got some decent training on welding/big engine repair while I was there.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549472)

No, but I realize that businesses are using inexpensive labor to further their profits while reducing their capital outlay and investments.

If cheap labor is not available then some combination of the following two things is likely to happen:
1) the pay rate will go up and labor will then be available
2) someone will invest money into automating the thing that required cheap labor

Illegal immigration is an artificial pressure relief valve that allows businesses to defer their costs onto society at large by paying a below-market wage with no benefits while at the same time circumventing the natural progression of investment that spurs innovation and increases production efficiency.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549568)

you do realize the US is dependent upon illegal immigration to fill low paying jobs like picking fruit, landscaping, and general cheap day labour?

Not "the US" and not "dependent upon", but the landowners can get richer by importing illegal immigrants and breaking any labour law that stands in the way of a higher profit, because illegals cannot go to the police when labour laws are violated. If every work site that used illegal immigrant labour was raided tomorrow, the landowners would bus in the tens of millions of unemployed from the cities.

Re:Who knew? (2, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549324)

You'd have to read it to know if it mirrors federal law or not.

It doesn't, and you haven't read it.

And after trying to discuss certain issues like whether bus or taxi drivers run afoul of AZ's sb1070 on AZCentral (by "transporting" them), I've determined that people in favor of it are thick and stupid.

SB1070 is bad law badly written.

Also, explain to me what an illegal immigrant looks like, because the last one I saw was German and overstayed her visa.

--
BMO

The feds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549386)

Keep the phentenol out of the heroin and you can come over and get weapons and take them back.

Re:Who knew? (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549408)

So you have no problem with native-born citizens being imprisoned for months, where they are forced to work for $1/day to earn the money to purchase a copy of their birth certificate from the federal government? Because that is happening under federal law.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549448)

The U.S. has become a country that rewards criminalism. Being here illegally is a federal crime, yet not only does the government do little nothing about it, at the cost to citizens (perspective non-criminals) it basically pays them to coninue to do so. Border Patrol is smoke and mirrors to make you think they care...

Re:Who knew? (1)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549566)

Smoke and mirrors? I live in Texas, and have crossed the border to deal with clients in Mexico, and the LAST thing the border is, is smoke and mirrors. I suggest if you speak as though you know what you're talking about, you actually know what you're talking about.

Re:Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549486)

No, you're just anti-anything-that-isn't-white, my friend. It's a disease called being American.

Re:Who knew? (1)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549624)

Way to combat allegedly being a bigot with being one yourself.

illegal immigration = modern slavery (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549282)

Nobody seems to ever bring this up, but by supporting illegal immigration you are supporting modern day slavery. Illegal immigrants don't make a proper wage and dont receive any of the protections that their legal immigrant friends enjoy. Stop pretending that this is a human rights issue, its not, its simply a channel to allow businesses to abuse workers. And now I will sit back while people that don't live near the border chime in and tell us that do what the facts really are....

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (5, Insightful)

leromarinvit (1462031) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549362)

You can't fix slavery with a law that punishes the slaves instead of the slaveowners.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (2)

geekforhire (300937) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549494)

But of course, the businesses should be punished heavily, but that does not mean that we should not make an effort to stop illegal immigration. We have a process to become a US citizen, if you don't like it don't and take a chance at breaking federal law don't cry to me when you get sent home. Of course with sanctuary cities that never happens here in CA...

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (0, Troll)

xantonin (1973196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549622)

Why not?

If there's no slaves anymore, where's the slavery problem?

This is like a law saying it's illegal to own a slave. So what do you do when you find a slave? Set them free - in the country they were from where they have rights.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549666)

To say it's a law that punishes immigrants instead of those who take advantage of them is an outright lie
Here, read it yourself. Most of it has to do with employers and those who assist in transporting illegal immigrants
PDF http://azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf [azgovernor.gov]

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549688)

Shush, you. The Internet Law-and-Order Brigade just cares that SOMEONE gets punished for this travesty, and it's much easier to punish the powerless.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (4, Insightful)

pclminion (145572) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549430)

Nobody seems to ever bring this up, but by supporting illegal immigration you are supporting modern day slavery. Illegal immigrants don't make a proper wage and dont receive any of the protections that their legal immigrant friends enjoy.

Ah, that explains why they keep on comin'.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (4, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549630)

No, what explains that is that wages and work conditions are even worse where they come from. If you want them to stop coming, then you fine the crap out of businesses that fail to properly identify that their employees have their documentation and those that fail to obey the legal requirements regarding workplace safety.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549442)

Unless you can prove that Mexico is cooperating with the US to force immigrants over, then illegal immigration is no more slavery than illegal prostitution is.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (1)

John3 (85454) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549552)

I don't support illegal immigration but I certainly don't think the solution is "Show me your papers" mentality.

And I'm from NY, so I guess since I'm not near the border. Obviously all those illegal immigrants plop right down after they cross the border because I never hear of any illegal immigrants up here in the northeast, so this issue doesn't affect me. It especially won't affect me because I will not set foot in AZ while this law is in effect.

Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549592)

illegal immigration = modern slavery

Except that its illegal to be a slave, and legal to be a slave owner? That seems a bit backwards don't you think?

Perhaps the laws should be targeting the "businesses who abuse the workers"?

Perhaps the workers should be extended some rights and protections so that they aren't as easy to abuse?

And of course thy think laws targeting the abused workers as criminals and in the process dragging legitimate innocent legal citizens into constant scrutiny where they have to demonstrate they are here legally at law enforcements whim is a rights issue.

scrub the names ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549368)

of the police informants ?,
the way Mexican people trafficking gangs operate LulSecs actions in releasing this data probably just killed them all

for the lulz egh party boys ?

Not for public distribution? (5, Insightful)

tantaliz3 (1074234) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549370)

Not for public distribution should be illegal in a free democratic society. Democracy fails if the voters don't have a clear and complete perspective.

Worthless and Stupid (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549372)

First of all, these documents are not classified at all. FTA: "The documents classified as “law enforcement sensitive”, “not for public distribution”, and “for official use only” " Big press for

Secondly, this is a stupid target. Why isn't this group targeting openly oppressive governments? I know USA is evil and blah blah blah but compared to a number of other countries, the USA is nothing. Why not target Iran? There are plenty of people there trying to start a revolution but can't manage to make a dent in the oppressive regime.

So.. (3, Interesting)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549398)

I have no problem with this. Also, lulzsec does tickle my anarcho-geek fancy. Information's natural state is to be free - think how much energy gets expended trying to keep things secret. Just like trying to push a large boulder up a mountain - like Sisyphus. And eventually they're going to trip up, and that boulder will come tumbling back down. We're watching it happen. And I, for one, am enjoying nom'ing on some popcorn while it happens.

Doesn't Anyone Notice Something Strange Here? (2)

darien.train (1752510) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549414)

The info released isn't funny in any obvious context. The press release is certainly not funny and doesn't even try to be. The ASCII gun graphic and the content of the information and press release look like classic anarchist material. Not sure if it's intentional or what but none of this seems directly connected to the personality on Twitter.

Maybe this is the result of the Anonymous/Lulzsec partnership. Maybe Lulzsec is under new management. Maybe the false flag operation has kicked into high gear.

Something has changed. You can tell by the dejavu.

Re:Doesn't Anyone Notice Something Strange Here? (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549488)

I'm assuming that they got access to a machine and did a snatch and run. They're just throwing it together in an archive and sending it out. The fact that there are image files, videos, etc all thrown together would tell me they got into a documents folder somewhere. Probably someone who brought a work computer home and got it compromised?

Re:Doesn't Anyone Notice Something Strange Here? (1)

carlosap (1068042) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549514)

yes isnt funny, and its pretty serious, it have names, family pictures and a lot of things that could be used by "narco" groups to track that people and they could be in serious danger. So I dont think they are the same lulzsec.

Re:Doesn't Anyone Notice Something Strange Here? (2, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549660)

Anyone who signs up for that kind of work (drug enforcement) knows they are taking on that kind of risk. If that is not something that society wants -- if we don't want to put families in danger as part of the "war on drugs" -- the answer is to reevaluate our policy on drugs, not to spend even more energy trying to keep the identities of our drug enforcement personnel secret.

Re:Doesn't Anyone Notice Something Strange Here? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549608)

We are in no way affiliated with Lulzsec.

They do not wish to be affiliated with us. We have slightly similar motis operandi, but their targets are chosen for lulz. Ours are chosen by the greatest detectable stench of corruption.

And as to the recent Lulzsec attacks on Anonymous, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/06/lulzsec-anonymous-cyber-fight.html [latimes.com] , whether true or not, someone within either organization wants the two groups to be and appear separate. We are fine with this separation.

Expect Us.

US History... (0)

econolog (2081738) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549444)

Does anyone else think this is a little odd considering the US was built from immigrants? If they are concerned about supporting new citizens on welfare, SS, etc. prospective immigrants could be given voting rights/citizenship but wouldn't qualify for government funded benefit programs. It eliminates the burden that the gov would be liable for while providing a motivated workforce and allowing immigrants an opportunity raise their children in a better place, live in a relatively safer place, get payed more, and enjoy freedom among other things.

Mhmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36549504)

http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/chinga_la_migra_1.txt
annon help

No Problem (5, Funny)

d'fim (132296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36549544)

It's OK. As long as the state didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about.
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